the borg

[ryhoyarbie]

okay, if any of you guys have watched startrek, you know that probably the baddiest of the bad of trek enimies are the borg.

as you may or may not know, the newest trek show called enterprise is about 100 years before the original startrek show with kirk and scotty and spock etc.

however, next weeks episode, which is all new, shows what happened about 100 years after the events from the movie star trek first contact. some researchers go into the artic, find the remains of what i think is part of the borg sphere that came back in first contact to assimalte earth. there is also a few borg drones that are frozen but still alive. after the researchers thaw out the 2 borg drones, the come alive and assimalte the researchers and their ship, and have to fight off the enterprise to either get back to the space where the borg are or maybe go to the future to the 24th century.

question i have for those of you who care is, why are they going back to the borg? the story seems interesting, but i thought after voyager, there would be no more borg. guess i was wrong. do you think the writers don't know what they're doing?.....

ryan

[sarah_yzma]

you and my brother.....

ok my thing is most of the fans go oooh the borg...I believe one episode is okay...but if they start really just going to the borg they will lose lots of viewers

Sarah

last weeks episode was freaky:eek:

[Beauregard]

It is sooooo not fair, like I don't have a TV lisence (well Mum and Dad don't) so I can't watch Sta Trek so I have to wit for them to come out in book form. Archer is my favorite captain and I am waiting for three of his books to come from the library, but no borg. I saw about this episode yesterday and I am like, Whah, I want to see that!!!

[trekkie1701E]

Well, look at STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT; look at Section 31; look at 7 of 9's parents; STAR TREK has proven that they can do some awesome things with the timeline. I don't think ENTERPRISE will lose many, if any, viewers if they do an episode with the borg every now and then; that just means three out of six starfeet captains have encountered them :)
(If you know starfleet lore, you'll understand why I say six captains... )

[Beauregard]

Why do you say six?

And on that note, who is your favorite captain? My favorite is Captain Archer. (Though I have only seen one and a half episodes of Kirk, two movies and an eposode with Picard, and only one with Archers too!!!)

[somethingofafan]

In the unaired "Star Trek" pilot, there was a captain Pike. Scenes from the pilot were later used as flashbacks in one of the episodes.

Of course, when you count all the other captains who have piloted ships other than the main one for each series, or the crew members of the original series who were promoted to captain during the course of the movie series, the number goes up considerably.

[Super Scooter]

I personally don't think the Borg are the badest bad guy. I like the Romulans. They're very sneaky. They're bad.

Originally posted by Beauregard
And on that note, who is your favorite captain?

My favorite will always be Cpatain Benjamin Sisko (2nd would be Archer). Sisko was a bad dude. I could see him and Shaft hangin' out together. DS9 was my favorite Star Trek series, and I just really liked the character of Sisko. How he had so many real, personal problems to deal with, plus the problems of the galaxy waying down on him. I just love Avery Brooks as an actor. He's very versatile, and gives one heck of a dramatic performance. He deserved an Emmy for what he did in "Far Beyond the Stars..."

[ryhoyarbie]

i just read a spoiler on what happens when enterprise meets the borg...it sounds like another voyager episode to me...if you guys want to know what happens go to www.trekweb.com


personlly, i never liked sisko. i thought he whined to much. he was always so tough and serious and never knew how to be relaxed. in the beginning when deep space nine was being created, sisko was described as having the best qualities of picard and kirk. however, during the course of ds9, sisko was more interested in the war with the dominion and never opened up to his crew. ira behr, the guy who ran ds9, always said that picard was a cold fish. however, i think sisko was the one with no real personailty. atleast picard opened up to the crew; sisko only opened up to jadzia and ezri dax. i know sisko was busy with the dominion war, but atleast try to be plesant with your crew and more importantly, your senior officers....

ryan

[Super Scooter]

The reason I liked Sisko over Picard is, the entire TNG cast is so 2-dimensional. They aren't well-built characters, when you think about it. TNG focused more on alien-of-the-week, or phenomenon-of-the-week than their characters. Although, they did focus on their story-lines, which adds to it being a good show, so did DS9. And DS9 had all the well-rounded characters. The 3-dimensional characters. Characters that could work on different levels. And Sisko was that way. He was concerned with his crew, but he also had himself and his kid to worry about.

My favorite thing about DS9: When Picard and his crew finishes a mission, whether they win or loose, Picard always seems to be happy at the end when talking to his crew. There's always a moral. (that didn't ALWAYS happen, but it happened too often for my taste) When Sisko and them finished something, at the end, Sisko went to his office all stressed out, glad it was all over.

I realize now that my entire post makes absolutely no sense.

Oh, well...

[ryhoyarbie]

sisko was always in his office! i wonder what he was doing in there..hmmm...! haha..bad bad thoughts......

sisko did work well in ds9 because of the environment and situation he was in. i just don't think he would have worked well on a regular starship that was exploring space. he's more of a military leader...to bad he wasn't in command of the defiant in first contact; he would have been great since how the borg took his wife way!


ryan

[ryhoyarbie]

okay, i finished watching regeneration, the borg episode from enterprise, and it was okay. there were a lot of things that really got med mad about.

1.) you would think that the 24th century borg, that being like 27 of them, would be able to stop a 22nd century ship right?!!..nope..archer had to win

2.) the phase pistols that the crew have, are they stronger than the 24th century phasers when shooting the borg?..guess so since how reed and archer shot like 7 or so drones before they adapted...

there's many others i could name, but i'll let some of you name some flaws..

i know star trek is a show an not real, but this show had a lot of problems to it....

ryan

[Super Scooter]

1.) you would think that the 24th century borg, that being like 27 of them, would be able to stop a 22nd century ship right?!!..nope..archer had to win

Wrong. The 24th Century Borg were using a crappy 22nd Century transport. And, if any of the other shows are used as evidence, the Borg can be pretty stupid at times.

2.) the phase pistols that the crew have, are they stronger than the 24th century phasers when shooting the borg?..guess so since how reed and archer shot like 7 or so drones before they adapted...

No. If you note, any setting (other than stun) of a 24th Century phaser can work against the Borg. The Borg are just able to adapt quicker. The 22nd Century pistols they could only use one setting against them. And eventually, they adapted.

And, I'm sure you're thinking about how it was Q's fault the Borg went to attack Earth, rather than these Borg sending out a message, right? Wrong. The Borg didn't get the location of Earth from when Q sent them into the Delta Quadrant. The Borg quite possibly never found out the location of Earth during TNG.

Alright. Anymore "problems?" :D

[ryhoyarbie]

actually the borg got the idea of where earth was from when they assimalted seven of nine and her parents..but i wasn't getting into that. you got into that justin.....

one more problem, if the borg get disconnected from the hive mind when they die, how can these borg even function without going into chaos. when the first borg woke up, he should not be able to function well......


all of what you stated doesn't add up to why the borg were defeated. okay i know the writers were messing around and everyone knew the borg would be defeated at the end, but come on....this was an episode that was thrown around just to boost ratings...not to many people liked the show at the end..to many questions are still lurking around at the end of the episode......oh well....it's just a tv show though...

ryan

[Super Scooter]

Why shouldn't the Enterprise win? These were a handful of Borg with a ship that wasn't even their own!

These Borg never actually died, either. They were frozen. Probably when they woke up they were immediately linked to the...

I just realized. The entire Star Trek series is flawed. Why would they have to SEND the information to the homeworld (in this, First Contact, and I'm sure many other times) if their minds are connected to everyone on the homeworld? Wouldn't the information link directly to them?

The whole timeline is flawed, even before Enterprise came out.

Anyway, I don't think it's all that big of a deal that the Enterprise crew was able to defeat the Borg. It wasn't a Borg ship, so the crew knew their vulnerable points, giving them a slight advantage.

Other than that, I have no idea how they won!:)

[Beauregard]

Well they won because they were the Enterprise. BUT going on to the subject of flawed time lines, I am writing a SciFi novel and want to have a time machine in it but get VERY confused by time it is a hard thing to work out.

[Super Scooter]

Originally posted by Beauregard
Well they won because they were the Enterprise. BUT going on to the subject of flawed time lines, I am writing a SciFi novel and want to have a time machine in it but get VERY confused by time it is a hard thing to work out.

I could help you out with any problems you have with that. I have a habit of trying to figure things like that out. My borhter has a friend, sometimes I'll sit down wiht him and we'll just debate the space-time continuum for hours! (and yet, I still can't spell.)

Note: slight exageration, but you get the idea.

[Beauregard]

Maybe you can help... It's very difficulte.

[Super Scooter]

Lay it on me.

[ryhoyarbie]

it really doesn't matter what ship they were in, they assimlated the ship so therefor the ship is now borg, no matter if it wasn't a borg ship to begin with. still these borg were more advanced than the enterprise or archer's crew. they were in a 22nd century ship, but they assimalted it, added new technology, and helped it become more advanced than any other 22nd century ship. in all honestly, the writers never want the borg to win and make them look like they are another beatable race....just take a look at voyager episodes that had the borg...

if you remember in first contact, the borg that were on the enterprise were trying to establish a link with the borg living in the 21st century. the borg that were on the enterprise were connected to the queen that was also on the enterprise. i guess they had a different frequency or something than the borg from the 22nd century. they were also more advanced than the borg in the 21st century so i guess the borg in the 22nd century had more of a primitive form of connection....

now that you think about it, there are a lot of questions that come with this episode..but it's startrek and not real life....

ryan