Any word on a seperate Complete Season 4 release

[TopperFraggle]

Has there been any word on Season 4 being released seperately on DVD? I figured that there wouldn't be any mention of it before Christmas but possibly after.

[bazooka_beak]

I personally haven't heard anything, sorry :/ Maybe we'll know within the next few months?

[Redsonga]

Has there been any word on Season 4 being released seperately on DVD? I figured that there wouldn't be any mention of it before Christmas but possibly after.

*tummbleweed rolls by*
No, there hasn't...With the rights to FR going back again it might take a while:sympathy:

[TopperFraggle]

I guess I'm out of the loop- what's happened to the rights for Fraggle Rock? I thought Henson retained rights to it all along. Or is this just distribution rights or something?

[Traveling Matt]

I guess I'm out of the loop- what's happened to the rights for Fraggle Rock? I thought Henson retained rights to it all along. Or is this just distribution rights or something?
Henson's licensing contract with HIT ends in April, and it appears they will not renew:

http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=40985

Distribution was between HIT and Lionsgate (previously Fox). If they release Season 4, Brandolution will likely seek a bigger company for distribution as well.

[Neil565]

April, huh?

I can't help but wonder what a new company would do with the situation, but that WOULD explain why LionsGate wouldn't release a seperate Season 4.

Did anyone else also notice that on Amazon the price went from $120's down to about $55's? That's a pretty steep drop for a 4 season box set. I'm betting no one really is buying it, and I hope someone takes notice of that...

[bazooka_beak]

Yeah, I saw it shot down to about $58 when I checked the site today. Wow. Is it selling really, really badly?

[heralde]

Yeah, I saw it shot down to about $58 when I checked the site today. Wow. Is it selling really, really badly?

I think it's pretty standard to eventually lower the price of an item. Plus there is a recession going on.

[Drtooth]

Plus, the disks keep getting recalled.... so yeah. I blame the whole thing on Lionsgate, NOT Hit. Their DVD releases are iffy at best. The fact they actually want to distribute ABC's terrible 2000 sitcoms like According to Jim and Hope and Faith shows it. :sing:

But if these things do go down to 55 bucks... I mean, that's less than 2 volumes... there's no way I can resist. Especially since I recently found out they re-released the first 3 volumes sans the extras anyway.

My major concern is that they'd even keep the Fraggle DVD's in print, or re-re-re-release them at all. Something nags me, and I have a fear they'll lose the rights in limbo and do nothing with them...plus those MindStyle figures... would they need to renegotiate?

[bazooka_beak]

I think it's pretty standard to eventually lower the price of an item. Plus there is a recession going on.

Yeah, but I'd never have expected a more than 50% drop :O

[RedPiggy]

Has there been any word on Season 4 being released seperately on DVD? I figured that there wouldn't be any mention of it before Christmas but possibly after.
When the Rock freezes over, apparently. :smirk:

[Davina]

i know.. i'm *this* close to ordering them myself.. i hate to do it.. esp right now cuz money is tight, but.. i'm starting to fear it's the only way I'm going to get season 4... (and if i get lucky and season 4 eventually comes out properly later, I can always give these to my oldest step daughter for her baby or to my nieces or something..)
and i'll need something to watch when (if) the volcano blows ash all over us up here.. heh..

[heralde]

i know.. i'm *this* close to ordering them myself.. i hate to do it.. esp right now cuz money is tight, but.. i'm starting to fear it's the only way I'm going to get season 4... (and if i get lucky and season 4 eventually comes out properly later, I can always give these to my oldest step daughter for her baby or to my nieces or something..)
and i'll need something to watch when (if) the volcano blows ash all over us up here.. heh..

I wouldn't lose hope yet, especially if you're trying to save money. There is a recession going on and we do have to prioritize. But if you do end up buying it, which is totally fine, giving the left over DVDs to your step daughter would be a great idea. :)

[Traveling Matt]

i know.. i'm *this* close to ordering them myself.. i hate to do it.. esp right now cuz money is tight, but.. i'm starting to fear it's the only way I'm going to get season 4... (and if i get lucky and season 4 eventually comes out properly later, I can always give these to my oldest step daughter for her baby or to my nieces or something..)
and i'll need something to watch when (if) the volcano blows ash all over us up here.. heh..
If you can afford it, try to pick up the complete series.

[Davina]

well, i already have the first three seasons.. so the penny pincher in me hates to be forced to rebuy... but, if i'm going to have to, then i'm going to have to... darn it!

[heralde]

well, i already have the first three seasons.. so the penny pincher in me hates to be forced to rebuy... but, if i'm going to have to, then i'm going to have to... darn it!

Well I do want to say, as much as I love Fraggle Rock, no one should feel forced to buy anything. Sort of reminds of the episode "Manny's Land of Carpets." ;)

And I still don't think a future single release is completely out of the question. That or a further reduction in the box set price, either through Amazon or a third party seller.

[frogboy4]

My guess is that another company will eventually snag the FR DVD license and produce slimmer individual season sets and possibly a slimmer series set all in more traditional packaging and likely without any extra pull out cards, notebooks or posters. This will likely coincide with the Fraggle Movie release a couple years from now. Again, that is my guess. The market will be less saturated by then and demand will be higher. :coy:

[heralde]

Yup, the point is, there are always other possibilities. :)

[RedPiggy]

I wouldn't be surprised if Manny WAS in charge of DVD distribution. :)

[Drtooth]

I wouldn't be surprised if Manny WAS in charge of DVD distribution. :)

I wouldn't be surprised if Large Marvin and Feenie were in charge of DVD distribution... and not just for Fraggle Rock either. :sympathy:

(Seriously, I hope Lion's Gate's distribution of According to Jim, Hope and Faith and all that garbage fails big time. Those shows should NEVER see the light of day after we just got rid of them.)

[Traveling Matt]

No one should feel forced to buy anything. Keep in mind, however, there is no sign of an individual Season 4 at the moment, the future of the Fraggles on home video is unclear and the complete series has been significantly reduced in price (and could possibly drop further).

[Traveling Matt]

Drtooth, have you seen Lionsgate's plans for the 25th anniversary edition of classic TMNT's 7th season?

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Season-7/11277

[Drtooth]

Drtooth, have you seen Lionsgate's plans for the 25th anniversary edition of classic TMNT's 7th season?

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Season-7/11277


I'm of two minds on that. I'm more disappointed they apparently have trouble with episode placement of one episode and a prime time hour long special. Of course, big a TMNT fan as I am, I don't got anything past season 3. even then, I'm missing 2 volumes of season 3. I like the toys, but I'd rather buy them separate.

The only thing that ticks me off about Lionsgate is that they're holding onto a license for the original Dragon Ball series (the first 13 episodes) and it's keeping Funimation from releasing them uncut in box sets, ala DBZ and DBGT. Bulma giving Roshi a peek NEEDS to be release on DVD in the US.

[Traveling Matt]

I've never cared for Lionsgate. Any company that prints their stock market code on the back of their DVDs (instead of, say, their customer service contact info) clearly has their priorities in the wrong place.

And like you, I don't have any Turtles DVDs past three or four. I gave up on them once they stopped restoring the episodes. However, this new collection does stick out as something of potential. Maybe they'll do it right this time.

[heralde]

I was very lucky that my relative was able and willing to buy the set for me. In my current situation, I would not have bought the set on my own (at its original price), no matter how much I wanted it. Sometimes you just have to be patient. ;)

[Traveling Matt]

HIT's former distributor, Fox, is pulling the same routine with The Mary Tyler Moore Show, a series whose season DVDs have been incomplete much longer than Fraggle. TVShowsOnDvd predicts the last three seasons, soon to be available only in one big complete series box, will be sold separately later on...

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-DVDs-Planned/10435

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11238

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11292

[rexcrk]

Plus, the disks keep getting recalled....

How come? Is it just 'cause they get scratched? I just got the complete series for my birthday today (fortunately I only bought season 1 so that's my only double)... just wanna make sure I'm not missing out on a disc I should get replaced.

EDIT: nevermind... I saw the other thread about the disc replacement thing. Fortunately, none of the discs in my set were scratched... in fact only 2 were out of their sleeves.

[Andibcool]

Since i bought the big box now because i didnt had the first 3 season im quite happy ( has to arrive still ).

If you guys still looking for season 4 Fraggle Rock i suggest visit ebay.com.au or http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/796327.
Its out of stock at ezydvd.com.au atm but cost around 20$ plus shipping.
All you need is a regionfree DVD player and a Pal capable TV or a computer and Anydvd ( only for regionlock ).

Oh btw im not aware if doc is played by a different person there some goes for traveling matt.

[Redsonga]

Almost every tv made in the last seven years I've seen has been able to play PAL, so that should be no trouble for anyone. The world is much smaller now :)

[muppet baby]

when i get home from a trip this week end i think i am going to buy the complte fraggle rock . that is a still

i really like this show and would watch it often

i would wait for a re release but it could be years even with the fraggle movie coming out

who knows may not be years either but i do not want to take a chance :) the prince is a steal and you get free shipping :excited:

[CoOKiE]

This is so silly. I must have spent $60 or so on the season sets... and if they keep doiong this... no one will buy season sets anymore, and wait for a complete set. The complete sets are never made unless the season sets do well. So really the company won't be making money after all.

How is it that the Fraggle merch. isn't ever able to complete a set? Theres the little plushes, the tiny plushs, then the large plushs and now the DVDs

[Drtooth]

Lionsgate was the reason they made such stupid decisions on the DVD release as of late. The retailors didn't want to sell any more Fraggle Merchandise because it wasn't a humongous splash. That's why the plush were never completed. So the DVD was the company's fault... but the plush wasn't Sababa's fault. They DID make the prototypes... it's up to them to make future series of merchandise, just not up to them to sell them.

[Traveling Matt]

I think HIT also had a hand in the DVD fiasco. Things were going smoothly until they dumped Fox for Lionsgate. Hopefully, with their new licensing arrangement, Henson will get a big-name distributor to release the fourth season properly.

A potential concern with that situation, however, would be how to carry over bonus material not completely owned by JHC.

[CoOKiE]

Lionsgate was the reason they made such stupid decisions on the DVD release as of late. The retailors didn't want to sell any more Fraggle Merchandise because it wasn't a humongous splash. That's why the plush were never completed. So the DVD was the company's fault... but the plush wasn't Sababa's fault. They DID make the prototypes... it's up to them to make future series of merchandise, just not up to them to sell them.

No, i wasn't saying it was ONE company that had been making the plushes, and DVDs... just explaining the curse that they Have in not being able to have complete sets.

[Drtooth]

I think HIT also had a hand in the DVD fiasco. Things were going smoothly until they dumped Fox for Lionsgate. Hopefully, with their new licensing arrangement, Henson will get a big-name distributor to release the fourth season properly.

Considering how FOX handled Inspector Gadget... a one disk 3 episode 15 dollar release they canceled anyway... I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up screwing HIT too. Lionsgate is never a good choice for DVD releases... they hold on to a license they haven't made money off of since Clinton left the White House (Dragonball's first 13 episodes)... they show interrest in releasing terrible sitcoms that no one would buy, since they rerun them constantly on Tv anyway 5 times a day (ABC's 2002- 2004 sitcoms)... and the one good thing they've done, the video quality looks like a bootleg, and they managed to miss 3 episodes for some reason (TMNT). I don't understand why they needed a partner to release anything, if they're a big world wide company....

[Traveling Matt]

I don't understand why they needed a partner to release anything, if they're a big world wide company....
HIT may be "world wide," but their contemporaries (Warner Bros, Paramount, Fox, Lionsgate, etc) have much more reach and experience with home video - only one area of operations - than a smaller company who only dealt previously with single-disc DVDs. Jumping to box sets is pretty big.

If Brandolution produces any home video, they'll probably do the same thing.

[CoOKiE]

Considering how FOX handled Inspector Gadget... a one disk 3 episode 15 dollar release they canceled anyway... I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up screwing HIT too. Lionsgate is never a good choice for DVD releases... they hold on to a license they haven't made money off of since Clinton left the White House (Dragonball's first 13 episodes)... they show interrest in releasing terrible sitcoms that no one would buy, since they rerun them constantly on Tv anyway 5 times a day (ABC's 2002- 2004 sitcoms)... and the one good thing they've done, the video quality looks like a bootleg, and they managed to miss 3 episodes for some reason (TMNT). I don't understand why they needed a partner to release anything, if they're a big world wide company....

Curious, as i own the season sets to TMNT... which season is missing episodes, and which three?

[Drtooth]

Curious, as i own the season sets to TMNT... which season is missing episodes, and which three?

One TV "movie" called "Planet of the Turtleoids" and an episode called "Once Upon a Time Machine." They're apparently confused about where to put them, since they have conflicting season episode guides. A lame excuse, since Season 1 came with 4 season 10 episodes.

[Traveling Matt]

While still present on their corporate page, HIT Entertainment has removed Fraggle Rock from their press website, another confirmation that their work with the show and Henson is done.

http://www.hitnewsonline.com

[Redsonga]

*is sad for some reason* :(.

[Fluffets]

Wait which henson show is everyone talking about? The Muppet Show or Fraggle Rock? Or something else?:confused:

[Traveling Matt]

HIT distributed Henson-owned content up until April, when their agreement expired. Muppets and Sesame are not included.

[Davina]

to be specific... this whole thread is about fraggle rock


hit has sadly shown themselves to be disappointing yet again.. it will certainly have to be something spectactular for me to really wnat to deal with them again

[Drtooth]

I hate to be that guy, but in all honesty.... why must you all act like Hit is the worst company out there ever, and this is the worst way anything has ever been handled?

Sure, I don't like the fact they didn't release season 4 seperately when all they had to do was package disks that were printed to begin with (maybe slap a new label on them). And yes, I dislike the fact Kermit was edited out of the 2 Christmas videos as well, but that was just as much Disney's fault as it was Hit's.

Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for them, Henson would probably never have released FR on DVD at all... or if anything some shoddy single disks with 3 episodes, no features, probably not remastered, and priced ridiculously high at 15 bucks each... and that would have been it. Sure, we started with some test the waters 3 episodes, 4th unlockable episode disks with some fun features (including episodes of the animated series)... but we got season sets after we asked nicely. And look at all the details and bonuses we got from them. Not only a bunch of special features on the disk, but we got those great reproduction booklets as well. Do you think any other company would have had that vision? We'd be lucky to have seen a single extra disk per volume with crummy computer games on it.

And even though they made the stupid decision to release S4 in the complete set... hey! At least we got a complete set and the series was finished off. I'm staring right at my The Tick vs the Incomplete seasons 1 and 2 only, and my Darkwing Duck "about half the series in 2 sets" collection. And let's not forget the Rocky and Bullwinkle Season 3 box set with a preview of Season 4 that never got released ever. If anything, the lack of S4 was probably the fault of Lionsgate, the company that released ALF in Syndication only cuts, and TMNT episodes off of terrible source tapes that look like you bought an unlicensed set.

And let's not forget, while it was incomplete, we all this Fraggle Rock merchandising. Sesame Street has always been around, The Muppet Show characters always resurface as something every so often... but we're talking about a show that ended about 20 years ago, with not so much as a T-shirt until Hit! took the reigns. I think it's crazy we're automatically thinking that Brandsolutions or whatever new company they have will do better. I've seen this sort of thing happen before, moving to another licensing company.... and a lot of the times, you won't even see a shirt or baseball cap, and they're thrown into the locker never to be seen again. Do you really think a Fraggle Rock movie wouldn't have been possible if Hit didn't bring back the interest in the property?

[JJandJanice]

I totally agree with you on that 100% DrTooth. If it wasn't for Hit entertainment, we wouldn't even have Fraggle DVDs.

Being upset over not over not getting the fourth season by itself is totally understandable. But now at least we're able to get the whole series or just the first three seasons. Considering it's not on the air anymore people should be totally thankful for that really.

Sure it's lame that Kermit was edited out of those specials, but that's really Disney to blame and heck what are you going to do, Kermit is now owned by Disney and if they don't want their character on these specials anymore, well that's the bottom line.

But there isn't anyway Henson would even consider a Fraggle movie, if it wasn't for Hit. I'm with you on that DrTooth, man, why are people hating on Hit so much? There are tons of shows that don't have a finished up series or even worse not even released. We don't have the whole Muppet show yet. And the bonus features Hit gave was top notch. As DrTooth mention Darkwing Duck which I own the DVDs as well, it's only like have finished, no bonus material, and the picture really wasn't too great. Hit did all that with the Fraggle dvds, so why be so upset with Hit?

[Fluffets]

It's not on the air anymore




Actually I've seen at least 2 channels that do show it. One is a sky+ channel called boomerang and the other is pop j.r or something, which I've seen fraggle rock on. Come to think of it I might check when it's on next!:)

[Drtooth]

As DrTooth mention Darkwing Duck which I own the DVDs as well, it's only like have finished, no bonus material, and the picture really wasn't too great. Hit did all that with the Fraggle dvds, so why be so upset with Hit?

A) is it really so hard to get Jim Cummings up there to talk about performing Darkwing Duck? I mean, he is their voices of Pooh and Tigger. They coulda just payed him to say a couple things during breaks.

and B) It's not so much the lack of bonus features as the fact they don't want the commitment of releasing the rest of any of those series... not even 11 episodes to go Talespin and Rescue Rangers. The same crap they apparently pulled with Gargoyles that got everyone upset.

And then I take a look at what Warner Bros did with the Smurfs. We had these nice 20 dollar half season sets for the first season. And then, to help people out during the tough economy, they release season 2 as 14 dollar 4 episode DVD's in no production order.

Again, it's stupid that they couldn't just release both S4 and the complete series at the same time, but it sure beats only releasing a small portion of the series, leaving us to fill in the blanks with illegal bootlegs or poor quality Youtube videos.

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

i was gunna pop in and say HIT! deal with Henson was ONLY for 5 years anyways..


:busy:

[Traveling Matt]

Henson's licensing contract with HIT ends in April, and it appears they will not renew:

http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=40985

Distribution was between HIT and Lionsgate (previously Fox). If they release Season 4, Brandolution will likely seek a bigger company for distribution as well.
Henson is indeed looking for a big distributor for their properties, Fraggle being most prominent.

http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?p=751302

If there's something you're interested in, such as Season 4, send them a Tweet. It's a really great way to speak to them directly and they encourage comments from fans regarding what they'd like to see. And it may be especially appropriate now, since they're actively seeking a distributor and may be able to better prioritize themselves if they know what people want.

http://www.twitter.com/hensoncompany

[zakima2]

as for me I opted to get season 4 from australia, and the complete animated series. I have a region free player so I am not really missing anything, however since the box set is so low in price I believe I will purchase that tonight for myself. nite everyone.

[Redsonga]

Actually I've seen at least 2 channels that do show it. One is a sky+ channel called boomerang and the other is pop j.r or something, which I've seen fraggle rock on. Come to think of it I might check when it's on next!:)
But many of us don't get those channels so it is almost the same as it not being on at all:sympathy:

[Drtooth]

Henson is indeed looking for a big distributor for their properties, Fraggle being most prominent.

http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?p=751302

If there's something you're interested in, such as Season 4, send them a Tweet. It's a really great way to speak to them directly and they encourage comments from fans regarding what they'd like to see. And it may be especially appropriate now, since they're actively seeking a distributor and may be able to better prioritize themselves if they know what people want.

http://www.twitter.com/hensoncompany

I really hope so, myself. Too many licensees got lost in the shuffle when a new distributor/ company took over handling the likeness. Let's not forget the absolute crazy fiasco that Transformers had when Rhino collapsed. Sony bought up the rights, and did nothing with them (other than limitedly releasing the movie when the live action TF movie came out)... and years later someone thought... "Hey, don't we have a small company that has been releasing Saturday Morning cartoons recently?" Or like when said company couldn't make the profits they wanted with Inspector Gadget, and Fox bought the rights... now Shout promised that Fox would continue right where they left off, but all we got was a crummy 15 dollar 3 episode disk that quickly got pulled.

I'm glad to hear that they're seeking something for the Fraggles quick, and they probably will give us that season 4... but I am still a bit skeptical.

[Traveling Matt]

I'm glad to hear that they're seeking something for the Fraggles quick, and they probably will give us that season 4... but I am still a bit skeptical.
I'm a bit skeptical too, since home video wasn't mentioned in the press release as something Henson is pursuing.

All the more reason to Tweet them and tell them you want it.

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

ok gang :) lol since im awaaaaay to lazy to read (its been a looong hard sorta bad day at work) let me get this stright....Henson wants to start up there OWN home video line with out teaming with anyone like HIT! or SONY or Disney like thay did under the "Jim Henson Video" line back in the early 90s?

[Traveling Matt]

HIT's former distributor, Fox, is pulling the same routine with The Mary Tyler Moore Show, a series whose season DVDs have been incomplete much longer than Fraggle. TVShowsOnDvd predicts the last three seasons, soon to be available only in one big complete series box, will be sold separately later on...

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-DVDs-Planned/10435

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11238

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11292
It looks like Fox has had a major change in plans. In what seems to be an attempt to satisfy the loyal consumers who purchased the first four seasons individually, they have pushed back the release date of their complete series box and have a new Amazon entry for a stand-alone Season 5 (http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Tyler-Moore-Show-Complete/dp/B0011N19HI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1243984642&sr=1-1) (where cries of the victorious can be found). I imagine Seasons 6 and 7 will follow.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-Season-5/11900

It's a real shame HIT didn't do the same while they still held the Henson contract, especially since there was only one Fraggle season left. I'm sure the calendar could have accommodated a similar schedule change, if they so desired.

[Drtooth]

It looks like Fox has had a major change in plans. In what seems to be an attempt to satisfy the loyal consumers who purchased the first four seasons individually, they have pushed back the release date of their complete series box and have a new Amazon entry for a stand-alone Season 5 (http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Tyler-Moore-Show-Complete/dp/B0011N19HI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1243984642&sr=1-1) (where cries of the victorious can be found). I imagine Seasons 6 and 7 will follow.

We can rationalize it and debate it and all that, but the fact remains... someone dropped the ball a while ago, and when they could have used the very same disks to put in a separate S4, they didn't for no apparent reason.

But I am seeing more "Complete series" having new season sets retroactively added.... Shout! is releasing a Complete first season Transformers (G1), and a complete series of TF.... BUT they are also planning to release the others separately. Warner Bros released season one of Get Smart, the complete series, and then season 2 (though I don't know what plans they have beyond that).

All I'm saying is they coulda done that, didn't, and now we have to wait for the new distributor to do so.

[Traveling Matt]

I mostly wanted to follow up on the news about MTM. Frankly, I’m happy to know HIT’s boneheaded decision did not create a new trend within the industry, especially in an era of declining DVD sales (recession aside).

HBO, not Warner, is releasing season sets of Get Smart, with the third season coming next week. However, these are only arriving now due to the expiration of Timelife’s year-long licensing exclusive (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Smart-1-Year-Exclusive-Defined/8467) on the property, in which they released one of the best complete series collections yet. Timelife has done similarly superb releases for both The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Man-UNCLE-Complete-Series-Press-Release/8152) and The Real Ghostbusters (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Real-Ghostbusters-The-Complete-Series/10151). All three series are, or will be, available in individual season sets as well.

Those are the kinds of trends that create positive remarks instead of criticisms.

[plucky]

I for one am waiting for a separate S4, no matter where it comes from. Not to say I would acquire episodes in some other fashion, but I DID have every single episode of Fraggle Rock, and just started watching them, mostly for the first time, when the Season DVDs started coming out. So I scrapped the copies I had gotten and started buying the seasons! But I won't re-buy everything I already bought to get S4. Just showing that there are people who spend money on things when you do them right, and treat the customer right, and when you don't? They find 'alternate means'.

I've actually held off on watching any S4 episodes at all, I'll wait patiently for a good DVD release! Now I just have to wait for my S4 Muppet Show DVDs to come out too! Not until next year? Oh well, I can wait :)

[Traveling Matt]

HBO, not Warner, is releasing season sets of Get Smart, with the third season coming next week.
And Season 4 is announced (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Smart-Season-4/12043) for September 8th.

[frogboy4]

And Season 4 is announced (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Smart-Season-4/12043) for September 8th.

Darn it. I popped into this thread and read the last post thinking it was about TMS season 4. Let's keep it TMS specific here. :sympathy:

Move the other updates for Get Smart etc to the General Discussion section. :wisdom:

[Redsonga]

*lol* I almost thought that was Fraggle Rock season 4 when I first read it :3. Since this is that section and all ;)

[Traveling Matt]

Darn it. I popped into this thread and read the last post thinking it was about TMS season 4. Let's keep it TMS specific here. :sympathy:

Move the other updates for Get Smart etc to the General Discussion section. :wisdom:
Jamie, the whole thread (including recent comments) pertain to Fraggle Season 4.

[frogboy4]

Jamie, the whole thread (including recent comments) pertain to Fraggle Season 4.

Oh. I misread it. Still, it's not a Get Smart thread. And if I'd come here looking for the Fraggle Season 4 set news the same thing would have happened. :p

[Traveling Matt]

I hope Fraggle Season 4 news comes soon too, and that it’s delivered to this thread.

Comments over the last three days have delved into shows in similar home video situations as Fraggle, not just Get Smart. The release patterns of these shows reflect options HIT could have chosen before their contract expired two months ago.

And hopefully it represents options Henson might choose in the near future.

[Drtooth]

Oh. I misread it. Still, it's not a Get Smart thread. And if I'd come here looking for the Fraggle Season 4 set news the same thing would have happened. :p

I only brought that up to show that other companies that randomly released the complete series have retroactively decided to release single volume season sets. I still think had the HIT! license hung around for one year longer, we would have had S4 of FR separately released. I still don't get the logic that they use the same disks, and they'd just have to print/burn more of them and put them into another box, and it still wasn't considered.

[muppet baby]

I only brought that up to show that other companies that randomly released the complete series have retroactively decided to release single volume season sets. I still think had the HIT! license hung around for one year longer, we would have had S4 of FR separately released. I still don't get the logic that they use the same disks, and they'd just have to print/burn more of them and put them into another box, and it still wasn't considered.

Very good point :)

[frogboy4]

I only brought that up to show that other companies that randomly released the complete series have retroactively decided to release single volume season sets. I still think had the HIT! license hung around for one year longer, we would have had S4 of FR separately released. I still don't get the logic that they use the same disks, and they'd just have to print/burn more of them and put them into another box, and it still wasn't considered.

It was that one misleading post that simply read:

"And Season 4 is announced for September 8th"

that lead me to believe it was Muppet-related news. When read alone it appears as if it's Muppety news as this is not a General Discussion thread. It was a misstep and I'm over it. We all make them. Just bites to be elated for one moment to have dashed hopes the next. Either way this thread was about FR so it would happened anyway. :coy: However, it was still a misleading post to Fraggle fans.

[Redsonga]

We fraggle fans are use to dashed hopes, they sit right next to where my Mokey plush would be :(.

[Traveling Matt]

I thought quoting my own statement was reference enough. My apologies for any confusion.

[frogboy4]

I thought quoting my own statement was reference enough. My apologies for any confusion.

I should have read the previous posts before the last one. I just clicked that Season 4 link and was perplexed for a moment.

On another note, I hope the new Henson licenses go to a company with above board strategies. The Fraggle Rock DVD set bait and switch was not in the Fraggley spirit. The Mindstyle folk promoted the idea of Fraggle figures but never delivered. I think the Fraggle brand speaks for itself. It doesn't need a gimmick. :smirk:

[Redsonga]

I've always thought that you don't need anything extra when there is so much radish/vegetable based you could do with fraggles :). Mix that with music and they sell themselves IMHO. Maybe the world just needs a reminder how wonderful braking into song can be?

[Drtooth]

On another note, I hope the new Henson licenses go to a company with above board strategies. The Fraggle Rock DVD set bait and switch was not in the Fraggley spirit. The Mindstyle folk promoted the idea of Fraggle figures but never delivered. I think the Fraggle brand speaks for itself. It doesn't need a gimmick. :smirk:

I still think most of the problems stem from the rumors that the Fraggle Rock film was to be released this year. You know, the ones made a while back (2007 or so) when we got word it was being considered and written. Unfortunately, only we knew that they only wrote the treatment. But somehow, I guess Mindstyle and HIT thought the movie was coming out by 2010... so S4 and the toys would be released to coincide with the movie. The movie ain't coming out until 2011 at the earliest if things go smoothly, and now Mindstyle and Hit's licenses expired. Still think it was butt backwards to release the complete series BEFORE they released S4.... a complete series would have been perfect to coincide with the movie... more so than a hold out single season.

Remember when FR S3 was released? One of the original bonus features was a sneak peak of the movie? Something tells me that's the reason why they wanted to delay it. And when it wasn't coming soon enough, Hit dropped the license (and possible Mindstyle). At least that's the impression I'm under. I'm still a bit skeptical about this new company. I don't even like the name of it... sounds too generic.

[wemblingalong]

True it does sound generic, but I wasn't impressed with Hit at all. Many of the DVDs released by them were a disappointment. As for the 4th season not being available separately that was just awful! I'm glad people from all over sounded the Fraggle horn and boycotted the boxed set in peaceful protest. :smirk:

[JJandJanice]

True it does sound generic, but I wasn't impressed with Hit at all. Many of the DVDs released by them were a disappointment. As for the 4th season not being available separately that was just awful! I'm glad people from all over sounded the Fraggle horn and boycotted the boxed set in peaceful protest.

Yeah but the thing is it really doesn't matter if people "boycotted" the box set (I didn't I was totally happy to get it for christmas, :excited:) cause whether it sold though the roof or didn't sell very much at all, it was still the end of the contract between Hit entertainment and Henson.

[Traveling Matt]

Yeah but the thing is it really doesn't matter if people "boycotted" the box set (I didn't I was totally happy to get it for christmas, :excited:) cause whether it sold though the roof or didn't sell very much at all, it was still the end of the contract between Hit entertainment and Henson.
Right. And HIT likely knew it wouldn't be renewed, so they turned greedy. Considering the circumstances and the calendar, I'm pretty sure they were never going to release Season 4 once they decided to do the complete series. Not even their ill-informed customer service reps got wind of anything different that time.

And now it's up to Henson.

[Drtooth]

True it does sound generic, but I wasn't impressed with Hit at all. Many of the DVDs released by them were a disappointment. As for the 4th season not being available separately that was just awful! I'm glad people from all over sounded the Fraggle horn and boycotted the boxed set in peaceful protest. :smirk:

Again... they did perfectly well until the end of the license when they got greedy and lazy. Mostly lazy (and I wouldn't doubt Lionsgate pushed them into screwing up the DVD release... if anyone pays attention to how Lionsgate releases DVDs, you would know what I'm talking about). I'm still dumbfounded that a distribution company needs a distribution company (what's that about?) But in the several years Hit was doing the Fraggles we saw merchandise and DVD's... very well thought out DVD's with amazing bonus features no other company would do for a show that didn't just come out. The fact we didn't get Mokey and Matt plushes was more the fault of the retailers not wanting to continue to stock them. prototypes were made, so the toy company and Hit wanted to get them out.

And, also the movie... everyone thought the movie was to come out this year, and I'm guessing the delays the movie has come through have killed most of the other projects (the Mindstyle toys for one).

[Fluffets]

Now I know I haven't made a new post on this thread in a fair while and I'll sound like a complete idiot saying this (tiring day) but this isn't making the dvds come any faster so it would help to really mostly post updates but then again I'm not The Count or anyone so I'm not in charge, I'll probably regret saying this lol.:)

[JJandJanice]

Now I know I haven't made a new post on this thread in a fair while and I'll sound like a complete idiot saying this (tiring day) but this isn't making the dvds come any faster so it would help to really mostly post updates but then again I'm not The Count or anyone so I'm not in charge, I'll probably regret saying this lol.

Ok man I don't want to rude or nothing, but there isn't going to be any updates. I mean I truly believe that if you're just going to wait for a season four release, well honestly I think you're in for a loooong wait. Don't get me wrong, I can't blame you, it's a total bummer that we all paid hard earned money for the first three seasons only not to get a seperate season four. But still I enjoyed what Hit entertainment was doing for the time being.

It really doesn't matter what is posted on this thread, right now there is no such thing as a season four update and truthfully it really doesn't look like their will be anytime soon.

[Drtooth]

Now I know I haven't made a new post on this thread in a fair while and I'll sound like a complete idiot saying this (tiring day) but this isn't making the dvds come any faster so it would help to really mostly post updates but then again I'm not The Count or anyone so I'm not in charge, I'll probably regret saying this lol.:)

I third that.... this has just become a "Let's bash Hit, despite the fact we wouldn't even have had so much as a single 3 episode release on DVD without their initial vision." thread. It's all but closed now.

[JJandJanice]

I third that.... this has just become a "Let's bash Hit, despite the fact we wouldn't even have had so much as a single 3 episode release on DVD without their initial vision." thread. It's all but closed now.

Totally agree with that point.

But all I'm saying is if we all just leave this thread as an "updates only" thread, than it won't get any posts for a long while.

[muppet baby]

Right. And HIT likely knew it wouldn't be renewed, so they turned greedy. Considering the circumstances and the calendar, I'm pretty sure they were never going to release Season 4 once they decided to do the complete series. Not even their ill-informed customer service reps got wind of anything different that time.

And now it's up to Henson.

I am not surprised by the costermer service reps not geting wind of it either , i wondered about that . Yes the HIT got very greddy i think that even though i bought the complete series LOL . It is very sad .

I hope that someone will get the concract to put out all 4 seasons in alone box sets would be neat if we had the choice this time between Blu ray or DVD to buy . i would buy the Blue ray releases in a heart beat .

i love the ray that the dvds play on my blu ray player i think these woudl make a GREAT quilty of a blu ray release i hope that it happens with some company .:);):excited:

One thing though that i would like to add i do not want to bash HIT for just having the complte series release i like very much , one of the reasons that i went ahead and got the set was for the pacaging i think that it is really cool . I am glad that they made it ,.

Fraggle Rock desverved a 25th annivery set , and they got a GREAT ONE