Do you want a Pepe figure in series 6?

[ResidentLilly]

Got a question for the group. In Series 6, let us know if you would like to have a Pepe figure, despite the fact that he was not really a "Muppet Show" character. Granted, this means some of your favorites will be made AFTER Pepe, which is the purpose of this poll. To get an idea of what the preference might be.

Just give me a yay or a nay on whether you would like this. Please, lurkers, weigh in as well, I want to try to get as many responses as I can...this will let me get an idea of how many folks are into this whole feedback "thang".

Thanks,
Ken

[Gorgon Heap]

Well personally I don't think I'd buy one. I like Pepe well enough, he's grown on me recently, but I'd much prefer sticking to the TMS Muppets.

David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole

[Zack the Dog]

Oh boy! but what a tought question...hmm, well who would get bumbed from that Series they might have been there? i wouldn't do Pepe before Statler and Waldorf thought. My gut says wait and let a few more classic figs in first, because pepe would look better on the packaging with more "newer Muppets" I mean it might look funny, Pepe would be better with Rizzo, clifford, bobo and bean bunny then just to say Waldorf, marvin suggs and uncle deadly,( I know they are not correct)

But we ALL want pepe stuff and we have been waitting a long time so I say....I can't say! i want him but i can wait, and we all will if we have to.


Zack)Rowlf the, NO! Yes! no! yes! no!, i can't decide!my vote does not count unless i make up my mind in time,Dog.

[Zack the Dog]

yes i did, and so quickly too;-)

I say(drum roll please) wait, I say wait, let other muppets out first, they have been waiting a lot longer to be made in to an action fig then Pepe, I think that is best, oh i feel like i want to change my mind again and say do him! but let dr bob and nurse pig, nurse janice and patrol bear out first, that's what i say.

Pepe will look better with rizzo out too. rizzo is an older muppet and should be let out first if not the same time.



Zack)Rowlf the, poor Rizzo thought, he didn't even get a painted Nascar, not even with Gonzo,Dog.

[King Prawn]

YES, YES, YES

A Pepe figure would be great!

And in Series six i thought i'd have to wait till series 10and i was really worried what if the line doesn't get there.

Anyway just in case i havn't made my opinion clear i say yes a thousand times for Pepe.

[FER SURE]

To keep this short I will save from posting my self debate. The answer on my end is NO.

[ElecMayhem]

I have a sneaking suspicion that I will probably be in the minority here, but I would rather see the classic characters get made BEFORE we see Pepe.

Don't get me wrong -- I love Pepe, and I want him to be made... But I would rather get all of the classics in first. I've waited 25 years to see these figures...

Of course, that opens up a discussion as to WHAT EXACTLY we mean by the classic characters.

By the times Series 6 arrives, we will have:

SERIES 1:
Kermit, Ms. Piggy, Dr. Teeth, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, Beaker

SERIES 2:
Gonzo, Fozzie, Floyd, Crazy Harry, Animal

SERIES 3:
Rowlf, Scooter, Lew Zealand, Zoot, Swedish Chef

SERIES 4:
Sam, Janice, Link Hogthrob, Dr. Strangepork, First Mate Piggy

SERIES 5:
Gonzo w/ Camilla, Beauregard, Newsman, Statler, Koozebane Kermit

That really does cover many, many of the classics. I assume that Series 6 will then have to include Waldorf (to go with Statler...) But who else is missing? For me, Vet's Hospital is a MUST!! But as most of the classics have been touched on, I guess Pepe could surface in Series 6... OKAY I AM CHANGING MY VOTE TO YAY FOR PEPE!!!

How about this for Series 6?

Nurse Piggy
Nurse Janice
Waldorf
Pepe
Playset with Rowlf as Dr. Bob

And then get back to characters like Marvin Suggs, Uncle Deadly, Pops, and Mahna Mahna in for Series 7 & 8.

Travis

[MM-III]

I don't think a muppet introduced less than a few years ago should take precedence over classic characters. But if you ever do a movie line... then obviously, he should be in it.

[Warrick]

Im not too sure about this...
Although i do love Pepe, i also love my Classic Muppets.

Who would go in his place if he DIDNT get made ?

I would definetely buy it if it was made tho !

see ay

[ElecMayhem]

I am flip-flopping...

I agree with everyone that Pepe should NOT be made before the classic characters; however, as I pointed out in my earlier post, there are not that many major cassic characters left who will most likely ever achieve "figure-hood."

It's not like Palisades was proposing putting Pepe in Series 2, before Rowlf...

Furthermore, I think that Pepe could potentially ensure that the line goes a bit further. Whether we like it or not, Pepe is currently more recognizeable than -- oh say, Marvin Suggs or Uncle Deadly. So, stick Pepe in Series 6. I predict that he will sell REALLY well -- just look at the number of people CONTINUALLY asking for Pepe Merchandise. If he does well, it extends the line and ensures a 7th Series... And then you continue with the classic, more obscure characters.

Okay, I will stick with my original vote of YAY...

[Crazy Harry]

It seems the populare vote is yes on Pepe but no on series 6. This is also what I'm voting for.

[MrTheFrog]

Hey,
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Pepe should wait. I definitely feel that Pepe should be made, but not in series 6. The classics have been waited for for so long, I can't in good conscious ask for Pepe to made before say the Vets Hospital gang, Lips, Marvin Suggs, Uncle Deadly, Nigel, or the Bear on Patrol guys.

This is my idea. Pepe could be a playset seller. He may be our only chance at a Muppets Tonight Playset once 2002 is over. It could be Pepe and Seymour with the Control Room, for Series 8 or 9. I figure by then we should be just about out of sellable characters for the Muppet Show line. Series 8 or 9 could be:

Clifford
Bobo in guard uniform
Johnny Fiama
Sal
Pepe and Seymour in elevator outfits with Control Room Playset

This way, Pepe could be his actual height. If he's single carded he'd have to be bigger and grossly out of scale (Although Ken told me his ideas for a single carded Pepe and they sound pretty cool).
Then later on, we could get a single carded Pepe in his hooded sweatshirt, maybe for the movie line (since I have no doubt Palisades will get the Movie rights). And of course Pepe in a too-too (sp?) is a must. In fact, they could do a Pepe in every third wave, maybe waves 9, 12, and 15.

Anyway, to make a long story short, my answer is "No", I can wait.
-Artie

[Phillip Chapman]

I created a poll for Ken's Pepe question. It appears at the top of this discussion. Please answer the question so Palisades can get an idea of what you would like to see happen.

Then, post a response to this discussion and elaborate on your choice.

[MuppetQuilter]

I want a Pepe figure. But I want Rizzo more. Currently, Rizzo is scheduled for series 8, I believe. So, I don't want Pepe ahead of Rizzo, but I'd take Pepe ahead of some of the other classic Muppets.

Not terribly helpful, but those are my thoughts. I guess, like many of the people who have already posted, I'm flip-flopping on this one.

[Emmy1500]

No thanks. I would prefer to see all the classic characters who were actually in the original muppet show first.

thx

Cory

[Rufus]

I thought I'd be in the minority with this, too, but I guess not...

I definitely would prefer The Muppet Show line to stick with Muppet Show characters. I think Pepe would be terribly out of place in series 6, unless the Muppet Show line is going to evolve into an all-encompassing Muppet line by series 6 (like Hasbro has done in recent years with Star Wars, featuring characters from all movies in one general line).

- R -

[Smig]

Ken;
Why not start a SECOND Muppets line? ALternate a series with the classic MUPPET SHOW characters with a subseries of more recent characters...(Simply called "Jim Henson's Muppets") With characters like Pepe and Bobo, and maybe evem ones like Mad Monty and Clueless Morgan..Iyt Might be a good idea to consider, seeing that the muppet's new FOX series might be debuting next year, and that's gonna bring another slew of characters...

Smig

[The Big Don]

I too would rather the classic characters as opposed to newer characters. But I will buy any and all muppets figures.

The "Heel" Big Don

[frogboy4]

Yes, Yes, Yes!

I can easily understand everyones concerns about the inclusion of classic characters, but by the time series 6 rolls around it looks like all the big guns will have been representes except for Rizzo (and Sweetums & Robin in the Theater Playset).

Seeing how gung-ho you've been about certain obscure classic characters I have no doubt some will be included later, but I see no problem with including Pepe. He is a very important character now and it would be great to see him represented. I like the elevator idea, but I would also like to see him in plain clothes.

So to re-cap Yes, Yes, Yes!
(as long as Rizzo, Lips, Pops and others will be coming sometime in 03)

[Jara19]

I want Pepe in series 6.

[bw0000]

I think he should come after series 6. I would buy it then. You've got to do Rizzo before Pepe.

[Gonzo]

I would rather have more classic characters before Pepe...if it gets to the point that we're looking at the extreme background characters, then sure, bring in Pepe and maybe some others...but I sure don't think he should be made before Statler, Waldorf, Rizzo, etc.

Quinnnnnnnnn

[Warrick]

Great idea, then we could get the Muppets Tonight, Jim Henson Hour, New Fox series Muppets in a set as well !

What do you think Ken ?

See ya

[Fozzie Bear]

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a Pepe figure, however only if the classic character being bumped is a re-paint.

Except if it's Patrol Bear, then I choose Patrol Bear over Pepe.

It's redundant to say, but I think Pepe is a great figure release only if it doesn't knock out an unproduced classic figure, but no problem if it knocks out a repaint!

Did that make sense, or did I just go Dr. Seuss on you all?

FOZ

[pezbalubah]

The new line idea is good, it wouldn't be right to have Pepe on a Muppet Show card. The "Jim Henson's Muppets line" maybe could include: Bean Bunny, Waldo C. Graphic, Sal and Johnny Fiama, Clifford, Dr. Phil Van Neuter, Andy and Randy and maybe some characters from specials like Emmet Otter (which would probably be a really good Xmas seller), and maybe Rugby and Mew (and maybe some others) from The Christmas Toy/Secret Life of Toys.

[frogboy4]

What I don't think some of you guys are getting from the posts is that Statler and Waldorf would be out before/or at the same time as Pepe anyway. Furthermore, characters like Sweetums and Patrol Bear are not competing for a spot because they will reportedly be in sets.

The only major classic character that would possibly come after Pepe would be Rizzo. Okay, so Pops, Uncle Deadly and hopefully Lips would likely come out later in series 7 or 8, but the only classic characters Pepe would actually bump would be obscure ones so I don't see any problem with it. The point is, that Pepe wouldn't really be taking up a major character's slot. Just wanted to clear that up.

I do think a line of characters representing MT and characters from other projects would be cool - but I don't want to have to wait for some sort of movie line to see them. That idea is cool too, but I'd like to see non-film versions first.

If a more general Muppets series is made or fans would be okay with other characters being released in this series, these are the ones I think should me made in order of importance:
Pepe
Bean
Clifford
Johnny
Sal
Bobo
Van Neuter
Semour
Waldo C. Graphic
Digit
Mulch
(and I don't think Andy and Randy are very popular with most fans so they have been omitted)

[scarecroe]

My vote is nay. If Pepe gets made, then that opens up the possibility for other non-TMS characters which puts TMS characters in jeopardy of being made.

I *would* like to see Pepe and other newer characsters get made, but not at the expense of other classic characters.

On the other hand, if Pepe really *is* that popular with the general public, it might be good for helping to sell (and continue) the line.

[Fozzie Bear]

Maybe the Exclusive Pepe could be him in his LJS Uniform?? :)

I'd like to have Pepe, but only if it doesn't interfere with a classic character we haven't already got yet.

Wait, that's what I said earlier...

Do you think I'm redundant? Do you think I'm redundant?

FOZ

[Warrick]

Originally posted by frogboy4
These are the ones I think should me made in order of importance:
Pepe
Bean
Clifford
Johnny
Sal
Bobo
Van Neuter
Semour
Waldo C. Graphic
Digit
Mulch
(and I don't think Andy and Randy are very popular with most fans so they have been omitted)

I agree with Andy and Randy, Unless there was NO ONE else then they could come out.

But i would Definetly put Waldo, Digit and Leon from the Jim Henson Hour infront of Muppets like Johnny, Sal, Bobo, Van Neuter and Seymour !

I didnt think anyone even liked Seymour ?!

Maybe we should do some kind of vote or a new thread about the Jim Henson's Muppet's Figure line ?

See ya

[ZootandDingo]

I'm of the thinking that a Pepe figure would be really cool and I would buy it in a second, but I wouldn't want to see a classic character get pushed back because of him.

Maybe if characters like Lips, Rizzo, Pops, Marvin Suggs, and Uncle Deadly were confirmed and firmly set in stone in a certain assortment, then I would probably have a different attitude toward Pepe. But as of right now, I wouldn't want to take a chance and assume, ya know?

Now, if Pepe was offered as a mail-away with like four Series 6 proofs-of-purchase (and I mean just a Pepe figure in a plastic baggie, no accessories or anything), then I would be all for that....but that would mean Palisades would have to break its rule on exclusive characters.

[frogboy4]

Waldo, Digit and Leon aren't even in the public's mind anymore these days (well maybe Waldo). I believe active Muppet characters should take priority over forgotten ones, but I definitely think two of the ones you listed should be made. I think Leon is as likely and would be as big of a seller as Miss Mousey. Too obscure. Yeeah, we should make another thread. LOL!

[frogboy4]

But I thin that there will always be some classic character that could be made instead of Pepe, but there really is only one, Rizzo, would likely come after him. And Im sure more classic characters would be made after Pepe. People are treating this like Pepe would be the end of the classic line and I haven't heard Ken state that was the case.:)

[frogboy4]

Rizzo, Pops and Marvin Suggs have been pretty solid ideas for a while as Ken has continually mentioned them that way. Uncle Deadly has been listed as a possible for some time now and I think there is a big probability for Lips seeing how popular he is around here so I don't see that any of the ones you mentioned are being bumped.

I think the approach of this poll had been poor. Pepe wouldn't be erradicating another cast memeber - or (likely) any that keeps getting expressed in these threads. Do you guys honestly think that they'll make Pepe and forget Rizzo or Marvin Suggs? Eeek. This question is only really about Pepe. I would like to see Nigel get made, but I think Pepe should come first because he is a much better seller.

[beaker]

While Yes, I would loved to have seen a series one Pepe, this is a TMS line...Im a RABID pepe fan, but he should be series one of his own thing...meaning Im hoping the TMS line evolves into a Muppets Universe line(much like the potf star wars line for awhile was movie unspecific) Pepe is a must.....I think people just wanna see him without the TMS card. An exlcusive or anything...we aLL want a Pepe figure I think(I t's hard to imagine any Pepe hatahs out there) but Im sure the sentiment is Muppet expansion series, not TMS line.

But.....I think I would agree that a packin robin, rizzo, camilla, or any other smaller figure is a must. So far I think the only packin has been Robot Rabbit(or is there other figures being planned for packins?)

///beaker///

[matleo]

I'm inclined to agree with Scott and Zoot/Dingo that if I knew certain others were set in stone than I would feel more comfortable with it. I also agree that it wold feel a little odd putting Pepe in a TMS line. But I could understand putting him in a "Muppets" line. I hink what a lot of us are afraid of is that Pepe will get made instead of an obscrue character that 'we' personally really want and then said obscure character will never get made. it comes down to who woul you rather have Pepe or Uncle deadly? Pepe or Lips? Pepe or Jp Grosse? Pepe or Pops? it's like a Crastacean Russian Roulette! Ya know you can say I'm okay with "XYZ" being PUSHED BACK for now but when you push back a character not set in stone you face the grim reality "oh, I may never have "XYZ". I mean, I would be okay with the decision to puch back Lips, Uncle Deadly, Pops, Marvin Suggs whoever, if I knew that to was just that..pushed back, but to not KNOW that...eh, I'm a little hesitant to jump on the Pepe bandwagon.

As for the JHH guys (aside from Bean and Clifford) I think we're getting into characters who would only be recognized and bought by us here. I don't think a lot of people remember digit, Leon, etc. I love them, they were great characters, but I just don't see them as figures. That's my opinion.

--Matt

--Matt

[Zack the Dog]

The packaging will have like Waldord, Dr Bob, Nurse Piggy and Nures Janice, and then Pepe.

It seem out of place, and i don't think right now they are going to start another line of Jim Henson muppet's. Pepe will look a lot better with an up to date Rizzo,Bobo, Phil Jonny and Sal.

also if thy did make a pepe fig? what would he wear? i mean the hooded sweatshirt is from MFS so would that be do able? I mean i still wish Kermit could come with a banjo too, but i mean would we would have pepe naked? or as a bell hop? then that goes in to MT. also what size will he be? everyone says to scale but then he'd be really small, i can see him made a about a kermit size as along with an up to date rizzo bigger but i think wait on them for another set of newer muppets that way he wouldn't be mixed in funny, i mean if he's made big he will tower over packin Robin and camilla, I mean then you would need a bigger Robin fig.

Zack)Rowlf the, i'm sure now that i am strong on waitting for Pepe, don't mix and match, you wouldn't do it with socks would you? a white sock and a green sock?Dog.

[ZootandDingo]

Originally posted by frogboy4
Rizzo, Pops and Marvin Suggs have been pretty solid ideas for a while as Ken has continually mentioned them that way. Uncle Deadly has been listed as a possible for some time now and I think there is a big probability for Lips seeing how popular he is around here so I don't see that any of the ones you mentioned are being bumped.

Frogboy, I think the main worry everyone (myself included) has is that we still don't know how well this line will do or how long it will last. I hope without limits that the line will shoot off like a rocket at retail and it's around for twenty series, but right now all we know is that Series 1 is a hit with collectors. That doesn't mean something like Series 3 won't be stuck on store shelves for months and doom the future of the line.

When I say "bump," I mean simply pushing them back. I highly doubt Palisades would out and drop a character completely from its plans, especially someone like Rizzo or Marvin Suggs. But, but, the fear right now is that if Pepe bumps someone else out of Series 6, then it's always possible we might not see Series 7.

I mean, you're right that Pepe would probably make a nice anchor character for an assortment, but is it worth it if a Pepe comes out for Series 6, and then the line is cancelled before we see a Rizzo in whatever series he would be planned for?

I imagine a lot of people's opinions will change once the line debuts in stores and we all see how they do. But for right now (for me, anyway), it's too risky to say "Yes, I'd like that new character before that one I grew up with." After all, some of us have been waiting 25 years for toys of some of these guys.

I kind of echo your wish that this poll would have been asked differently, but for me I wish it was done after the toys have already hit the stores and the future of the line is a little more secured.

[frogboy4]

It is my understanding (though I could be mistaken) that if 2002 is successfull, that there will be 4 waves in 2003 so there will be no "bumping" of any of those characters. It's not a big deal if Pepe doesn't get made, but I hope he does. On another thread some people are proposing third versions of characters. If that's the case, I'm Pepe all the way. I wouldn't mind a Nigel or Lewis Kazagger in his place, though. It does seem this line will be popular too, so the only thing I'm worried about these days is being able to afford them all.;)

[Link Hogthrob]

No, no, no!!

I have to disagree with Quinn in discussing obsure TMS characters. I would buy the MOST OBSCURE TMS character before I would buy a Pepe figure!

I think the appeal of the Palisades line is that it is "bringing forth" characters that we haven't seen or heard from in years. Frankly, after MT, MFS, and Long John Silvers commercials I am all Pepe'd out!
Maybe years, years, and years down the road when all the Muppet Show characters have been produced as action figures by Palisades, the TMM, GMC, and MTM soundtracks have been re-released to CD, and every episode of TMS has been released on DVD, I will be less prickly towards Pepe and join in his supporters in seeing a little more Pepe merchandise!

*Whew*

Still, I admit, I love the whole "I will spank you like a bad bad donkey, OK?" line...

Jim

[frogboy4]

It is ulikely that all of the obscure characters will be made and a couple main/popular characters must be in each wave to help guarantee it's success. So that means there will eather be yet another version of Kermt or Gonzo down the line (when there are already third and even fourth versions already planned) and no Pepe. I want all the obsure guys too. I have mentioned my support for Lips, Thog, Nigel and even Mildred and George. As they have it layed out, only one or two lesser-known characters can be in each wave, so Pepe will not likely be pushing out any character from getting made except for a duplicate. I don't see why this is not understood.;)

[Link Hogthrob]

I don't feel the issue of Pepe NOT being a replacement is being overlooked. In reading the several hundred posts that have been made about these figures, we all realize that Pepe will not take the place of a "big player".

What I, and I gather others, are saying is that we don't want to see Pepe until MUCH further down the line, if ever. Whether he bumps a major player or not, which we all know he won't, we are not currently interested in seeing Pepe in action figure form.

Maybe some of us are being purists, but when we are talking about a Muppet Show action figure line, characters that WEREN'T on the Muppet Show don't really appeal to us.

However, I realize that many people might thoroughly be interested in seeing a Pepe, Clifford, Bobo, or even Randy and Andy pig figure. My point, and I think I'm not alone here, is that we shouldn't concern ourselves with NEWER characters until we thoroughly complete the OLDER characters, popular or obscure.

If we start mixing newer characters with older characters, some buyers might lose interest and (God forbid) the line is discontinued. Well, say, in part, the introduction of the newer characters caused the lack of interest and now, because of Pepe and Bobo, we don't get to see older characters that we would have liked to have seen! Even if the characters we are missing out on are reincarnations of older characters, I think most of us would rather have the OLDER characters than the new ones.
I know I would much rather have a "Disco Frog" Kermit instead of a Clifford.
But, I realize that there are differing opinions and I hope that I haven't offended anyone or stepped on any toes (because that hurts, especially if you are wearing sandals!)
And, of course, Ken by no means do I mean to offend you with what I have said, because you are a modern day prophet as far as I'm concerned! You are bringing us the Muppets in a way that most have us have wanted for so long! Palisades is like the Garden of Eden for me!!

So, that's just how I view the inclusion of Pepe and "friends".

Jim

[frogboy4]

I completely disagree. I think that Pepe would help the line sell better than 12 versions of Sam the Eagle or Fozzie Bear. I'm a purist too, but I would like to see Pepe introduced. It has nothing to do with Clifford etc. They can wait.

You wrote:
... we shouldn't concern ourselves with NEWER characters until we thoroughly complete the OLDER characters, popular or obscure.

Ken has made it clear that some obscure characters will just not get made. In some cases Henson isn't even behind them. Keeping up with the threads - reportedly they are not too hot on even a Lips figure.

And again - Pepe would likely be considered a "Big Gun" character so he would not push out any new figures - ONLY duplicate versions of previously released characters.

I think when people are stating their apprehension about a Pepe figure it is because they want obsure characters released - which is a moot point because he would only really bump Kermit Verion number four etc. That is the point. Pepe won't likely have anything to do with obscure charactters getting made or not. That is just confusing the issue.

It's not that I don't want a Disco Frog, but once it gets to that point I think the introduction of Pepe would be more marketable. And I think that when asked in the context of Disco Frog or Gonzo in a Tuxedo vs Pepe that most fans would be pro-Pepe. Just my take:)

[Link Hogthrob]

I think everybody understands the formula for each series: 2 major players, 2 lesser known players.

What I think is NOT understood by some of us is that characters from The Jim Henson Hour, Fraggle Rock, and Muppets Tonight are NOT part of the formula.

Maybe someday if the Muppet Show line is successful, Palisades will be able to negotiate a Fraggle Rock, Sesame Street, etc. line of figures.
I know I personally would like to see Palisades gain the rights to Sesame figures, but I am not going to suggest that Ernie and Bert are included in a series of Muppet Show figures just because they made an appearance in Marty Feldman's episode!

These characters are linked only because they are the fruits of Jim Henson's awesome imagination, and seeing as how they aren't all linked by appearing on the Muppet Show, some of them are ineligible to appear in this line of action figures.

The fact that these wonderful action figures are 25th Anniversary action figures, should tip us all off that the intent is create figures which were involved with the Muppet players during that time period. Which, logically we could say 25-26 years ago up to 20 years ago....ABOUT1976 to 1981...

Again, I agree that all of these other characters are important and hold important places in our hearts, but from the perspective of "25th Anniversary" action figures, it should be obvious what the intent of this line of products is.

This issue is where I must "agree to disagree" with you, Frogboy. Everybody knows WHAT TYPE of characters will fill the series (popular Muppet Show players along with less popular), but what is not understood is WHICH GROUP of characters is being considered for the series.

Jim

[Emmy1500]

Myself, I wouldn't buy a pepe figure, Ever. It's a character that I have no interest in and never will.

I would much rather see a 3rd or 4th variation of say kermit then to see a pepe figure.

This is just one collectors opinion, a collector who never saw MT or JHH, but I did watch the original muppet show when I was younger.

In the grand scheme of things the people from this message board are just a very small portion of who will be buying these figures and a lot of the really obscure characters would probably be pegwarmers.

Once again this is just my personal opinion.

thx

Cory

[Link Hogthrob]

I definitely agree, that remakes of a particular character (especially Kermit and Piggy) should be limited to 2 or 3, depending on how radically different the remake is.

I also understand that some Muppet Show characters just WON'T be made (Zelda Rose, the No-Name Trumpet Playing Lady, etc.), but what I am saying is that we make sure we complete the line of Muppet Show characters before we introduce, if we ever do, the newer characters.

I also agree that Pepe is a "big gun"...but he is a big gun from about 1996-present. I just feel that with the title of "25th Anniversary", Pepe, who is a current big gun, wasn't a big gun (or even around) during the time period that is under consideration.

But with every other point, I agree with you!

:)

At least we can say that we ALL want the Muppet characters in some form or another!

Jim

[Link Hogthrob]

I would never personally buy a Pepe action figure either, but I know that some people want him so I hope he eventually gets made and we can all be very very pleased with our collections!

Maybe we can all get together someday and have playtime with all of our characters!! Sort of like playing Barbie, but A LOT more fun! :p

Jim

[frogboy4]

That's true. I hope many of the characters will get made (Lips, Uncle Deadly, Nigel). I also think that if Palisades' license is renewed next year that the aniversary will be over and the series may evolve into a general Muppets line that includes characters old and new.

The reason I mentioned Pepe as a "big gun" is becuase that is the Palisades term for the two main characters in ever series. That means his inclusion will have little to do with obscure characters getting made. There is no competition there (*if I am right about that). If it came down to Pepe in 03 or Nigel or Lewis Kazagger never being made, then I would certainly be in favor of pushing Pepe to 04 (if it happens). I just don't see a competition between him and the obscure characters which keeps getting brought up. I see them as entirely seperate topics.

On a different note - you will see if you check back in the ancient MC threads of how supportive I was of a Mildred figure (and others) and many MCers really disagreed with me. Now everybody seems to be changing their tune back. It's kind of funny.;)

[Link Hogthrob]

HAHA...you're right, Frogboy!! I noticed how several people jumped down your throat and now they change their tunes! :)

I agree completely, once the whole "25th Anniversary" wears off, some of us will be more accepting of newer characters. Once the title wears off, the expectation of honoring it will probably evolve into "Muppet Show-like" characters (mainly Pepe, of course :) )

And I like the supposition you made with Pepe and Lewis... I mean, we can slate Pepe for a certain series and then if we find a better character to make, we just bump Pepe. Eventually, Pepe will get made, BUT he won't be our first priority...I guess that's what I've been trying to articulate this whole time.

Thanks, for hashing that out with me, Frogboy!;)

Jim

[frogboy4]

LOL! Yeah, I do hope that many Muppet characters do get made (I even have my fingers crossed for a Midred and George down the line) but I wouldn't mind if the Pep-ster came first.

I wonder if the packaging will reflect a general Muppets line in 2003. If so, I hope that a couple new characters will be introduced, though I hope in waves to come that old classics will not be forgotten.

I can just see a debate about 04 (if it happens) and how many darn versions of Pepe are they going to make! LOL! I just want as many [different] characters they can make before too many more dupes are produced.

I also like the Disco Frog idea. I was one of the few who mentioned it in the original Ken thread in the old forum. I don't know if I was the first one or if someone else was, but it gained a little momentum. He could be in a disco-version At the Dance playset...but after more stuff comes out of course.:)

[beaker]

Sheesh, what's with all the Pepe hay-tahs??? Just a few months ago there seemed to be unanamous love for the king prawn...now I just hear 'I would never buy a pepe figure'...YEAHHH RIGHT! I swear if Ken tommorrow was to post painted prototype pix of our beloved orange Pepe all you Pepe haters would be posting a gillion 'I SO GOTTA HAVE THAT!!!'...Trust me, if you could even begin to imagine what a Pepe figure from Palisades talented sculpters would look like, you'd fer sure WANT one!
And besides, to all you Pepe dissenters...its one thing to see
Pepe on the ljs commercials(Me thinks its pure too big stardom so quick...why else would people all the sudden jump on the anti pepe rhetoric?) it's quite another to see Pepe in the fur.

Ken...bring on the Pepe!(ebay $200 exclusive or series 6!!!)

///beaker///

[Zack the Dog]

I for one have NEVER said that i would not buy a Pepe Fig if he was made,He'd be great! in fact my first post i said i couldn't even deside on this!! all thought i said i really don't want a Milldred fig, and i still don't, i just mean Lips,Uncle Deadly,Mahna Mahna and Marvin Suggs i'm still secpitcal on Nigel and Lewis Kazagger but not complety ruled out in my mind.

what I'm saying is that pepe will be out of place look funny with the group of muppets in the set, and should be placed next to Rizzo,Bobo Jonny,Sal...What if ken asked about putting Cifford insead? NO!he would look WAY out of place, Pepe a great great great NEW Muppet,I would never say i would not buy him, but should be with the othet new muppets later on. Pepe wasn't around during vets H, the REAL Pigs in space and Bear on patrol, he dose not work with the line that early.



these ones i think should not be made
Annie sue(she may be confused as piggy by some)but i may
change my mind on just her being made.

JP Gross
Turmpet lady
Tatoo lady pig
George
Milldred
Zelda
Hillda
Gladus

Zack)"most" of them are boring human muppets, i'd ratter have baskervill the hound,Dog.

[Bean Bunny]

I rather have Bean and Digit.

[Zack the Dog]

Yeah there hasn't been much talk about poor cute bean, but i think he should be out later along with pepe, I'm still not sure what Rizzo is going to look like? up to date or what?

Zack)Rowlf the Dog.

[frogboy4]

You would rather have Turmpet lady and Tatoo lady pig (characters nobody knows that have no names) than Pepe, Kazagger or Nigel (the host of the Muppet Show Pilot I might add)? It just doesn't make sense to me and I find them very unlikely. Ken did take a liking to Lewis Kazagger and I think he'd be a cool fan fave. He'd also sell better than Gladys or Hilda in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I don't see any gray-haired ladys being that popular with the public as a semi-characature of a famous sportscaster would be.:)

I just think it's it bizarre and at the same time intriguing how different everybody's take on this is. Where's Luke on this debate? LOL!

[Fozzie Bear]

FROGGY!!

Hey, yeah; Pepe would be cool to have in that case, I never thought of it that way.

FOZ :)

[frogboy4]

I just really think this whole discussion was approached rather poorly. It was made out to seem like Sophie's Choice with the Muppet characters when that really might not be the case at all.:)

[Fozzie Bear]

More than likely.

Who's Sophie?

FOZ
(Later on! Leaving for Cancun! NIGHT! :)

[Zack the Dog]

AHHH!GOSH NO! please read it again Jamie! i said I don't want them! DON'T WANT THEM! LOL!! never! uck!, no! in my rowlf endding i said they where mostlyall boring human type muppets.

tis' alright though, i said i don't want them made, Please thougth Jamie don't think for a minute that i would ever want a trumpet lady fig!and that goes for the lot of them on the list, Annie sue was the only maybe

I also mean that Lew Kazziger and Nigle I'm thinking about for later but i'd like to see Uncle Deadly, Marvin Suggs and Lips before them.

oh Jamie you scared me when you said that i would want a tatoo Pig fig? no! never in a million years!Please understand me!

I've never been big on the Milldred fig. She just doesn't seem like she would fit in with the muppets anymore and she didn't really leave an impact on the Muppet Show.



Zack)Rowlf the, LOL!I'm still in shock from this!Dog.

[frogboy4]

zach-

Ah, sorry I misread it. I getcha now. LOL! I still think Nigel, Lewis, George and Mildred are interesting enough for their own figures, but they are longshots.

Kev-
Sophie's Choice? Meryl Streep is Sophie! A film made back in 82. I can't give away the ending, but she has to make a terrible choice in the end. One of those that's like impossible. Anyway, I liken my tough decisions to the film. LOL!

[Link Hogthrob]

SOPHIE'S CHOICE!!! EXACTLY!!! I never thought about it, Frogboy, but you, sir, are correct! HAHA!

I'm sure that whoever said it was right, Pepe would look awesome if sculpted by Palisades! But I think what Rowlf said was an EXCELLENT point...he would look out of place so early in the series. Where would you display him? With Vet's Hospital or Pigs In Space?
Like Frogboy and I concluded the other day, maybe after the 25th anniversary wears off and most of the older stock of Muppets have been realeased, we might see some of the Muppets Tonight crew...I must admit, I would be rather partial to a Johnny Fiama and Sal *sigh*

Jim -- the purist no more :)

[Zack the Dog]

I know Pepe won't really work with the sets selling wise and actuality from the muppet show, but not that it wouldn't be neat to place him in them, i just mean he will be part of this early muppet series and out of place.


Zack)Rowlf the,Dog.

[frogboy4]

Aw. Pepe would sit right over by my computer with me...well actually the Muppet Theater will be out around wave 6 so I think he's look good in there.

[Alex888]

I AM NOT GIVING UP!! And why is everyone trying to KEEP certain Muppet figures from being made. Some of us here are older and grew up with the older Muppets! I think the line of Muppets Tonight figures is an excellent idea. I love Pepe and would buy him instantly…oohkay? I just don’t think he should be mixed up in the current line.

1) Mildred*
2) Hilda*
3) Pops*
4) Lips*
5) Nigel*
6) Rizzo*
7) Robin*
8) Camilla*
9) Marvin Suggs*
10) Annie Sue*
11) George the Janitor*
12) Uncle Deadly*
13) Wayne & Wanda*
14) J.P. Grosse
15) Mahna-Mahna
16) Boppity (blue) & Gloat (green) Frackle
17) Bobby Benson
18) Zelda Rose
19) Gaffer Cat
20) Foofoo
21) Lewis Kazagger
22) Gladys the Lunch lady
23) Brown Haired Female Muppet
24) Flying Zucchini Brothers

Everyone with an asterisk deserves to be made into a figure. They CAN be fit into the line and I think they will sell. It will be a wonderful and complete set of Muppets.
The first thirteen should definitely be made. #14-24…would be beautiful figures…but aren’t on my list as priorities.

It’s not that I have such a thing for these Muppets…because truthfully, Beaker, Lew Zealand & Gladys are my favorites! I just, as a Muppet fan, believe these characters are each as important as Floyd and Crazy Harry and Scooter!!

I am really probably wasting my breath…but I am gonna keep on tryin’!
Please…if you don’t know who these characters are, look them up…find pictures…watch episodes, you’ll come to love’em! And then you’ll want ‘em!!!!!
Argh!

Squidboy out!

Peace love and harmony among all Muppephans
:D

[Alex888]

Miss Mousey!!!!!!!!

This would be a great way to incorporate more female characters, Piggy, Janice, Annie, Mousey, Gladys, Zelda, Hilda, Mildred, Wanda, the brown haired chick!!!!

woohoo!!!!

me out

[Muppeholic]

Although I would love to have a Pepe bust (and dh would probably like a Bobo) I can wait.

[Link Hogthrob]

I think that SOME Muppet characters should never be made. For instance:

Trumpet Lady
Brown-haired female muppet

WHO is the brown-haired female??
If a character doesn't have a name or if they have one like female #3 or blue frackle, they OBVIOUSLY don't have the appeal to become a figure.
I think that being obscure is one thing (Gaffer, J.P. Grosse, Hilda, Mildred) but being a nameless, voiceless, personality-less character like some of the "whatnots" is ridiculous!

But, I do think that a good point was made either earlier in this post or another one, but I think an "anything Muppet" with removable magnetic parts would be cool.
I think those would have appeal to even non-Muppet fans. It would be one of those little obscure toys that so many people collect to show off on their desk in the office...or am I the only one in an office like that? I might be, every Monday we run in to a colleague's office to see what she has added to her Marvin the Martian collection! :)

Just my opinion,
Jim

[frogboy4]

I agree with you there. Well, except for the frackles. I think they do have appeal and were featured heavily on the show. Technically the green and blue frackles names are Boppity and Gloat and the new green frackle's name is Mo. I still think a playset of packaged Muppet Monsters would be fab!

As for the trumpet lady and other no-named characters, there is no likelyhood they would be made anyway. Palisades is having trouble with Mahnah Mahnah, that doesn't give the whatnot Muppets very much hope. I would like old Mahna Mahna though!:)

[Electric Mayhem]

If "classic character" means some rarley seen 1st season Muppet, then no.

As far as "classic characters" go, I think all the biggies have been covered so far. The only people not being made that I'd like to see and would accept before Pepe are Sweetums & Mahna Mahna.

[frogboy4]

I think all the biggies have been covered too. Sweeetums will come out with the Theater playset which will be released around the time of wave three, so there's no competition there. There has been some concern about the rights of Mahna Mahna so I don't know what will come of that. I don't think Henson is sold on the idea of him, but I couldn't imagine why not.

[beaker]

>>>Sweeetums will come out with the Theater playset which will be released around the time of wave three, so there's no competition there<<<

I thought it was stat/wal with the playset...this is certinaly interesting!

///beaker///

[frogboy4]

That was a major development that came about a couple of weeks ago.

Sweetums has always been a size, packaging and price concern. By releasing him with the stage they can keep uniformity with the packaging. I believe he will still come with Robin. Keep in mind that the playset has unfortunately been pushed back to next summer. It was originally pushed past Christmas because all the waves were slightly delayed, and Palisades wanted a Summer of Winter release for it.

Statler will come with wave 5 and Waldorf with wave 6 (tentative). I don't like them coming separately, but it is a marketing angle that the company likes. It's a good idea that non-fans can purchase the popular pair without having to pay the price for the whole stage.

These changes can be seen on my running chart at www.jamesvier.com/muppets/figures
Keep in mind that waves 6-8 are still open. I have put some good guesses down and some promised items in a hypothesized sequence, but there are many guesses. Waves 1-5 are relatively solid though things can change. Check it out.:)

[Fozzie Bear]

Froggy,

If your chart is running, you better close the door so you don't lose it!

FOZ

[frogboy4]

...them pesky little charts.:p

[SteveJ]

I would definetly buy a Pepe figure! And that's saying alot after my previous rant.