Missing Muppets in IAVMMCM

[dreyfax]

Hi Ho.. Dreyfax here.. I'm new to the forum, but already think I'm gonna be very busy reading all the posts here for eons..

Anywho..

Its already been stated that it is SO nice to see Scooter and Janice revoiced in IAVMMCM.. However...

I will have to watch it again, but I don't recall seeing Clifford at all in the show.. was Kevin too busy to come lend a voice??

At first I figured it may be because he wasnt in the Muppet Theater.. He was in the muppet TV studio.. BUT.. If Johnny Fiama and Sal Manilla could be there.. then Clifford should have been..

And just how many grunts did Rowlf have? Maybe 2.. but I dont recall any actual lines.. He's still being demoted to an auxillary character, as was Dr. Teeth.. He was only half in the frame, and if I would have blinked I would have missed him.

I was interesting to see the Jack Frost snowman retooled for general muppet use.. At least I think thats who that was.

[Salmoto]

I remember when Kermit runs into the theater elated he shouts something to Rowlf and Rowlf responds in a friendly mannerism that was his only line in the movie. Bill did the voice, but Rowlf was offscreen at the time.

I'm surprised of the Muppets they did use. Lew Zealand for example, and there were cameos by Bean Bunny and Crazy Harry.

[Tonichelle]

I dunno... this movie lacked something... and Fozzie's voice wasn't as good as the original(however Piggy was good)

it's still a cute movie(Pepe was a little bit of a perv at the begining)

and when did they have gay muppets? that was something new too...

and I wasn't too keen on the female God... and some of the things said that sort of dissed Christianity...

over all I'd give it a B and I think mom is going to order it. *shrugs*

Moulin Scrooge was good... and Yoda was great :lol:

[Daffyfan2003]

I just wanted to make a few comments about Rowlf. I hate to say it, but I think the Henson company is still sticking with the decision to retire the character. I know some people saw him at Muppetfest or the Weezer video, but for an entire movie it seems like their still trying to limit his appearances or at least his speaking lines. Just my thoughts.

[Salmoto]

I don't think they said anything bad about God, they just dragged out a tired old metaphor about God being the boss and the angels being spineless paper pushers. I think Whoopi was very sweet in this role, after all she's played God before, and we as humans are not to say what he/she/it is supposed to look like. God is a concept beyond us all.

Pepe isn't really a perv, he's just, very easily manipulated. Unlike Kermit, Pepe is ruled by raw impulse, to either make money, get famous or get his groove on, ok.....but it was kinda nice that in the end he stopped thinking aobut himself and did the right thing for the other Muppets, and all while still staying true to his character, ok.....

Maybe Howard the pig isn't gay, he just has that kind of foppish exhuberance you see in people like Richard Simmons.....well, bad example, but the point is the Muppets represent many aspects of hollywood personalities, and Howard is just representing the type who like to prance around on their tippity-toes.

[Bean Bunny]

A Clifford poster in the background of the theather wiht the Sal poster.

[the_great_gonzo]

Rowlf only had 3 lines to my recollection.

1. While he was playing the piano, he hummed along.

2. When Kermit runs in he says, "Hey Kermit"

3. I think after Kermit kisses Piggy he says, "Whoa"

When he says Hey Kermit it sounds really close to Jim's Rowlf.

I also would have liked to have more Rowlf but what are you going to do. It kind of seems that when Rowlf is in the Muppet theater he's kinda quiet. Think about it, all his major speaking roles. A bar, in the car, Manhattan, animal shelter, Ma Bear's farmhouse. Maybe he just is shy in the theater? As for the absence of the other characters there's probably an explanation..

Clifford-maybe he celebrates Kwanzaa or Chanukah.
Dr. Phil and Mulch-probably too busy in the lab.
Andy and Randy-probably forgot it was Christmas.

[Salmoto]

JHC is giving the fans what they want: More Scooter, Janice, Rowlf and Lew, no Andy and Randy, but we haven't said enough about Clifford or Dr. Phil to warrant their return, unfortunately.

To me Rowlf and Kermit represented two sides of Jim Henson. Kermit was Jim's humble reflective side, and Rowlf was his inner performer, the part of him who liked singing, telling jokes and lighting up the room. Perhaps that aspect of Rowlf is the very thing they're having problems emulating.

[Thijs]

And why did they change the band in Muppets Tonight. I know Janice and Dr. Teeth lost their voice, but the new band hasn`t any lines either !

[Gonzo14]

Janice & Animal were the only band members to speak (although we here Floyd laugh when piggy falls of the stage.)

By the way does anyonw know who performed
Statler
Lew Zealand
Robin
Pops
Snowman Narrator
Howard (I think that's his name, the fat pig, who worked with the can can girls and the riverdancing mayhem)
Yoda

[Salmoto]

There was a cast list posted at another site I'm gonna copy and paste it here. All the casting seems correct, but we're still nat sure about who played Janice.

Kermit : Steve Whitmire

Miss Piggy : Eric Jacobson

Fozzie Bear : Eric Jacobson

Gonzo the Great : Dave Goelz

Rizzo the Rat : Steve Whitmire

Pepe the King Prawn : Bill Barretta

Bunsen Honeydew : Dave Goelz

Beaker : Steve Whitmire

Scooter : Brian Henson

Rowlf : Bill Barretta

Robin the Frog : Jerry Nelson

Animal : Drew Massey

Sam the Eagle : Kevin Clash

Johnny Fiama : Bill Barretta

Sal Manilla : Brian Henson

Janice : Brian Henson?

Bean Bunny : Steve Whitmire

Mr. Poodlepants : Steve Whitmire

Bobo the Bear : Bill Barretta

Howard : Bill Barretta

Lew Zealand : John Kennedy

Swedish Chef : Bill Barretta

Statler : Jerry Nelson

Waldorf : Dave Goelz

Sweetums : John Henson

Yoda : Eric Jacobson

Snowman : voice of Mel Brooks

[Daffyfan2003]

About Clifford, well other than hosting "Muppet's Tonight!" he's never been a very popular character. Maybe the producers decided he wasn't needed since Kermit was hosting the show. Just my guess.

[dreyfax]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
About Clifford, well other than hosting "Muppet's Tonight!" he's never been a very popular character. Maybe the producers decided he wasn't needed since Kermit was hosting the show. Just my guess.

Clifford seemed to be important enough to include on the recent video games (Muppets inside onward) I just assumed he'd been adopted into the culture.. and was suprised he wasnt there thats all..

[Salmoto]

Clifford has been a Mupets staple for a very long time, even after JHH was cancelled, Clifford sang songs on a couple of Muppet CDs and appeared in the Muppets Inside CD rom. The thing was though, this was a slightly different Clifford than appeared on Muppets Tonight. This Clifford was a singer. I think people object to Clifford being an Arsenio-type TV show host, and wish he'd go back to being just the coolest fish-faced, human-like Muppet around.

[Drtooth]

I do not really know of any specific reason why Clifford was absent, but Kevin Clash was DEFINATELY there! He performed Sam the Eagle (which was off.. sounded more like Hoots the Owl doing an impersonation of SAm).

I was disappointed that they didn't have Muppet News Man in theire, but I really was surprised to see that they used the Boss Men characters! COOOOOOLLLL!!!

[Daffyfan2003]

I didn't have a problem with Kevin's Sam at all. I thought it sounded exactly like Frank's. Maybe my hearing's bad. Lol.

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by Salmoto
There was a cast list posted at another site I'm gonna copy and paste it here. All the casting seems correct, but we're still nat sure about who played Janice. That's an old version based on speculation that you got from ToughPigs.com (http://toughpigs.com).

Danny has since posted the official cast list:

http://toughpigs.com/extrachristmascast.htm

[Thijs]

I never liked Clifford. He is NOT funny, altough he makes jokes. I hope Kermit will be the host when there is going to be a new Muppet Show.