View Full Version : Disturbing Page on Tough Pigs Site
GeeBee
12-01-2006, 07:42 PM
http://www.toughpigs.com/myweekxmasanother03.htm
D'Snowth
12-01-2006, 07:49 PM
http://www.toughpigs.com/myweekxmasanother03.htm
Oh my freaking gosh, that WAS disturbing! Somebody must not have had a lot of love as a child!
heralde
12-01-2006, 07:57 PM
::shrugs:: I love the commentaries on Tough Pigs, they're hilarious. And often quite on target. You can tell they really like these specials.
GeeBee
12-01-2006, 08:36 PM
::shrugs:: I love the commentaries on Tough Pigs, they're hilarious. And often quite on target. You can tell they really like these specials.
I don't know. The kind of things on that page seem to cheapen those specials to me. Regular irreverence aside though, what is the deal with those comments about Jewish people?
heralde
12-02-2006, 08:57 AM
I think one of the guys doing the commentary is Jewish (I believe he says that somewhere). And they were pointing out that Mr. Hooper was the one who ended up saving the day in the Christmas special. So they were actually being complimentary. Their humor is a bit sarcastic, but I don't think it's meant to be offensive. Believe me, I wouldn't read it if I thought it was. There is a fine line between irreverent and offensive.
Of course, you would have to ask them what their motivation was. I really can't comment any more than this. I don't want to start a debate.
A lot of people enjoy tearing apart something they like in a good natured way. If you look at the whole site, the moderator who does the commentaries knows A LOT about the Muppets. Not everyone is going to find the humor funny of course, and that's fine. :)
Beauregard
12-02-2006, 10:07 AM
Ha! Thanks for the link GeeBee! And I confess that I don't find that page disturbing in the slightest, just very, very, very funny. I can sit and chuckle my way through many a TP review, but only because I know that ultimatly, they arn't mocking the production, they are revelling in it.
Kynan: Christmas, my friend, is for the fun. It's for the cuteness, it's for the silliness, it's for Cookie Monster eating telephones and typewriters. And, ultimately, it's for stuffing Snuffleupaguses into barrels, in the name of science.
The Jew jokes seemed a tad off, but it makes sense is Kynan is Jewish. Also, they are right in one sense that the one member of SS who doesn't technically celebrate Christmas is the saviour of Christmas...that's funny.
EDIT: This is from the Christmas Toy review:
Danny:
Aw, why didn't I get a Rugby doll for Christmas? Darn it, Santa! I've asked for a squeezy soft Rugby doll every year for more than a decade.
Kynan: J'ever think that Santa knows you're Jewish?
Danny: What, you think Santa's anti-Semitic? Bite your tongue. Santa has love for all children. It's the licensing people who screwed me on this one.
Which explains the jokes in the other review made by Danny himself.
heralde
12-02-2006, 10:12 AM
I can sit and chuckle my way through many a TP review, but only because I know that ultimatly, they arn't mocking the production, they are revelling in it.
Exactly! They are mocking it with affection. I always laugh out loud when I read their stuff (which is why I usually read it when I'm alone!)
It's called humor and irony. It's not like they said Mr. Hooper starts all the wars.
The reviews are like celebrity roasts. The jokes are harsh, but are done out of love, not hate. That's the main difference between a joke and hate speech.
GeeBee
12-02-2006, 11:06 AM
It did cross my mind that one or both of them could be Jewish, so I wanted to find out more about it. However, I still find it disturbing because when someone logs onto that web page, the first thing they're going to see are the big comments about "a Jew" and the additional dialogue about Jewish people below, and that will probably stand out (which I'm sure is what it's meant to do). I get the idea that shock value and offensiveness is what they're going for every bit as much as humor, kind of like South Park, and they probably make no apologies. It's their humor and they can have it.
In any case, long live Christmas Eve on Sesame Street. It's probably one of the best Sesame Street and Christmas specials around and did a great job of saying that the holiday season is for everyone.
You do know that "Jew" is not a slur right? Saying someone is a Jew is the same as saying someone is a Chrsitian or a Muslim. It's not even close to disturbing.
GeeBee
12-02-2006, 01:59 PM
You do know that "Jew" is not a slur right? Saying someone is a Jew is the same as saying someone is a Chrsitian or a Muslim. It's not even close to disturbing.
I am well aware that "Jew" is not a slur. I was being polite by saying "comments about a 'Jew'".
Below are the exact words from
http://www.toughpigs.com/myweekxmasanother03.htm
(These words are at least CLOSE to DISTURBING, even if they are posted by "a Jew")
Danny:
"Why does Bob wink after he says Happy Chanukah, like it's a big secret? Is Mr Hooper supposed to be Secret Agent Super Jew?"
Kynan:
"It's not a secret, it's a big joke. Bob is just humoring poor Mr Hooper, who's so delusional that he thinks Chanukah is a real holiday."
.............
Danny:
"Ernie and Bert have both given up the thing they love most... and then in comes the Jew, to set things right! Leave it to the Jew! You see, Kynan? It's not all dreidel games after all. Jews have a purpose in this world! Count on the Jew; he will always come through."
I just don't see what is disturbing abouti t. It's not hateful in anyway. There aren't even sterotypes being used. This is far from disturbing. Disturbing is finding naked pictures of your mom in dad's sock draw. Disturbing it seeing someone get shot in the head. Disturbing is finding your dog after he got hit by a car. Super Jew is not disturbing.
GeeBee
12-02-2006, 04:30 PM
I suppose it's all how you look at it. Pendulums swing and standards change. Maybe at some point, saying that Chanukah is not a real holiday and Jews are delusional to think so will become acceptable. Maybe saying that Jews have a purpose in this world, implying that such a thing was ever in question to begin with, will also be okay. And perhaps identifying people by their religion or nationality in a patronizing manner will also be deemed acceptable by everyone someday. But, for the time being, there are probably many who will look at that page and find it objectionable. It may have been created by someone who was Jewish, but it still stands out and causes controversy, and that is exactly what it was designed to do.
If those things were said seriously I could see your point, but it's humor. It's funny, not true. There is a difference between syaing something to be funny and saying osmething to be mean and hurtful. You seem WAY too sensative and with no humor.
Like I said it's like a roast, Insulting someone at a roast is funny as it is done in a good nature. Saying the same kind of comments to someone and meaning it is hurful and wrong. Try to recognize the difference between humor and what is truly disturbing.
GeeBee
12-02-2006, 08:38 PM
If those things were said seriously I could see your point, but it's humor. It's funny, not true. There is a difference between syaing something to be funny and saying osmething to be mean and hurtful. You seem WAY too sensative and with no humor.
Like I said it's like a roast, Insulting someone at a roast is funny as it is done in a good nature. Saying the same kind of comments to someone and meaning it is hurful and wrong. Try to recognize the difference between humor and what is truly disturbing.
What do you mean I have no sense of humor? I talk to you, don't I? ;) Just kidding.
Anyway, you've changed your tune slightly. First you said there was nothing insulting about it at all, now you concede that it is insulting, but it's okay because it's done in humor. Well, I've got news for you, people often say what they really mean when using humor and what is funny to one can often be hurtful to another. A roast only insults an individual (who chooses to be insulted), not a whole group of people who never asked to be.
Believe it or not, there is actually such a thing as comedy that is done in good taste.
GeeBee
12-02-2006, 09:02 PM
Disturbing is finding naked pictures of your mom in dad's sock draw.
By the way, what's so disturbing about dad having naked pictures of mom? Dads are supposed to be at least somewhat attracted to moms, and it's a good thing otherwise none of us would be here right now. :)
D'Snowth
12-02-2006, 09:42 PM
By the way, what's so disturbing about dad having naked pictures of mom? Dads are supposed to be at least somewhat attracted to moms, and it's a good thing otherwise none of us would be here right now. :)That reminds me of how my mom is always talking about one of the joys of being married is getting to see your spouse naked, and that she tells me "when you're married, you'll jump for joy seeing your wife naked".
I just hope my wife is Kathy Greenwood... did I just say that out loud?
What do you mean I have no sense of humor? I talk to you, don't I? ;) Just kidding.
Anyway, you've changed your tune slightly. First you said there was nothing insulting about it at all, now you concede that it is insulting, but it's okay because it's done in humor. Well, I've got news for you, people often say what they really mean when using humor and what is funny to one can often be hurtful to another. A roast only insults an individual (who chooses to be insulted), not a whole group of people who never asked to be.
Believe it or not, there is actually such a thing as comedy that is done in good taste.
The fact it is used in humor makes it not insulting. And I still don't think it is insulting to begin with, but apprently you do.
If you see naked pictures of your mom and don't get weirded out...you got issues.
D'Snowth
12-02-2006, 10:34 PM
If you see naked pictures of your mom and don't get weirded out...you got issues.
I've got issues, and I don't even have to look at naked pictures of my mom.
Okay, this thread has really turned even more disturbing than the subject of the disturbance...
GeeBee
12-03-2006, 12:08 AM
The fact it is used in humor makes it not insulting. And I still don't think it is insulting to begin with, but apprently you do.
If you see naked pictures of your mom and don't get weirded out...you got issues.
And if you can't accept that your dad might have a naked picture of your mom somewhere, you've got bigger issues, pal.
Of course, we're not really insulting one another tonight because we're saying it all with humor; just like a roast. :)
sarah_yzma
12-03-2006, 12:10 AM
I agree, d'snowth. I opened this thread and went OH MY!
I think ToughPigs has a tendency to walk the line, occasionally falling on either side. Since it's meant in admiration of what it talks about, it usually doesn't bother me too much.
GeeBee
12-03-2006, 12:18 AM
I think ToughPigs has a tendency to walk the line, occasionally falling on either side. Since it's meant in admiration of what it talks about, it usually doesn't bother me too much.
Thank you, that's the only point I was really trying to make. It's one thing if that kind of humor doesn't bother someone, but for people to try and pretend that there is absolutely nothing controversial about it is absurd.
Maybe ij ust don't get disturbed easily.
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