Let's talk Doozers

[zeldazipple]

Ok I finally brought up enough courage to start this topic again.
If you love them as much as I do yeah!!
But if you don't like them don't say mean stuff that might upset others.
ANYWAY!!
I see that the Doozers don't see to get enough attention. I started this topic in the past and got some pretty intresting conversations going sooo.
Who's your fave Doozer?
Why do you like the Doozers or don't like?

[Emeowrald]

I like the Doozers because they bring a bit of balance to Fraggle Rock. While the Fraggles think of just having fun, the Doozers think about complex strategies and buildings that require not only alot of physical labor, but alot of careful planning and co-operation as well. They also bring a bit of technology to the rock as well.
Of course I like Cotterpin, but I also found Turbo to be interesting too in that he was also a rebel albiet a different type then Cotterpin.
The Fraggles are still the number one reason why I love Fraggle Rock, but it wouldn't be the same without the Doozers.

[heralde]

I have to admit the Doozers were never my favorite species on Fraggle Rock. Their whole building and working mentality just wasn't that interesting to me. And they were a bit under developed compared to the other species on the show.

That being said, I enjoyed the Doozers when they were allowed to come out of their shells and be more real, like in "Doozer is as Doozer Does."

Despite their conflict, Wrench and Turbo were actually quite similar. Both were clearly very insecure and desperate to fit in. But in the end, Wrench had the stronger character. It was nice when Wrench and Turbo made up at the end. I like to think they became friends.

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

I'll go even farther than heralde.

When I was a kid, I hated the doozers. And I mean HATED!

Really!

I did!

:grouchy:

I thought they were stupid and pointless and a complete waste of air time. But you have to understand, I was THRILLED with the fraggles, and I didn't have HBO. My grandparents did when they got a new satellite, but then it got scrambled. So after that my only chance to see the show was purely by chance of being at a relative's house when it was on. And this was VERY rare. But, on a rare time the show would be on and I would get to see some of it, I remember once or twice it being an episode about the "stupid doozers", and it made me so angry! Here I was getting a rare chance to see the fun fraggles, and I was stuck with boring doozers. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz...

But now I'm all "growed up", and I appreciate them for their unique place in the show. My favorite doozer is Flange because he's really manly and tough (though only 6 inches tall, how cute, lol :p ), but he's also a loving husband and father. And like me, he doesn't give in and is impatient, lol ("Doozer Contest" anyone?) He also has a cool voice and moustache, lol. :cool:

And when I was a kid I didn't care much for "that old man and that dog" either---but of course now I love them! And the Gorgs, well, I didn't dislike them as kids, but they sure could intimidate the heck outta me. LOL Scary things when you're little!

[superboober]

Truthfully when I was young the Doozer-centric episodes were the least interesting ones to me (exceptions being when one of the Fraggles interacted with a Doozer character throughout the show). They're enjoyable characters in their own right, but much as like with Slimer, too much can be too much. Still, it wouldn't quite be the Rock without them, as the production team intended.

[zeldazipple]

I think the Doozers have their own kind of fun in a way, but I see what you mean thought. Which also brings a question why do you think the Doozers seem to be more technally advanced than the Fraggles. Does the Fraggles just like their world the way it is so they never evoled. Or do they just don't have the ' smarts ' to figure it out?
I think Doozers like Turbo, and Cotterpin, are what I call the ' think out of the box ' kind of Doozers. This was somethng that I came up a while ago and it seems to fit, that prehaps only Doozers who have red hair or reddish tones most of the time turn out tobe rebelous. I know Turbo had black hair with blond streaks in it, but maybe just MAYBE he changed the colour. I think red hair is something that's really rare for a Doozer.
Cotterpin on the other hand really liked being out of the norm and is quite happy with her hair the way it is. Anything to be differnt works for her.

I like the Doozers because they bring a bit of balance to Fraggle Rock. While the Fraggles think of just having fun, the Doozers think about complex strategies and buildings that require not only alot of physical labor, but alot of careful planning and co-operation as well. They also bring a bit of technology to the rock as well.
Of course I like Cotterpin, but I also found Turbo to be interesting too in that he was also a rebel albiet a different type then Cotterpin.
The Fraggles are still the number one reason why I love Fraggle Rock, but it wouldn't be the same without the Doozers.

[heralde]

Why do you think the Doozers seem to be more technally advanced than the Fraggles. Does the Fraggles just like their world the way it is so they never evoled. Or do they just don't have the ' smarts ' to figure it out?


I always thought the Fraggles were similar to the Hobbits from Lord of the Rings. They live a simple, happy life that works just fine for them. And they have little interest in changing or exploring other places or ways. That's one thing I think you're not supposed to like about Fraggles. They're content but they're TOO content. That's why Gobo and Traveling Matt are considered so unusual.

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

And they have little interest in changing or exploring other places or ways. That's one thing I think you're not supposed to like about Fraggles. They're content but they're TOO content. That's why Gobo and Traveling Matt are considered so unusual.

Gobo and Matt love exploring, yes, but Mokey isn't "too content" IMO. She likes exploring other ways, is open to new ideas and phenomenons, and likes to make an altruistic difference in the world (see "Invasion of the Toe-Ticklers" for one great example).

With her being the most mature and Gobo being the natural leader of the group, it makes sense to have the two of them be the most exploratory fraggles, both in life, and in caves respectively.

Really!

It does!

:zany:

[Super Scooter]

But now I'm all "growed up", and I appreciate them for their unique place in the show. My favorite doozer is Flange because he's really manly and tough (though only 6 inches tall, how cute, lol :p )
Byron likes 'em manly! Grr!

[heralde]

Gobo and Matt love exploring, yes, but Mokey isn't "too content" IMO. She likes exploring other ways, is open to new ideas and phenomenons, and likes to make an altruistic difference in the world (see "Invasion of the Toe-Ticklers" for one great example).






That's true, Mokey's a different sort of Fraggle as well. It's just that Gobo is the leader out of the five main characters and is most often set up as the unusual one. Of course, there are times when Mokey is set up against everyone else.

[MrsWembly]

I find some of the episodes about the doozers sort of boring, but I like Cotterpin. I like that she doesn't quite “fit in” with the other doozers and wants to explore outside her little world. :smirk: :excited:

[Fragglemuppet]

I like Cotterpin too. I identify with her rather well.
:concern:
I see what you mean, and agree that Gobo and Mokey are both explorers so to speak, but aren't all the fraggles, with the possible exception of Wembly, set up against the others at one point.
I don't know if you've read it, and at the moment I've forgottten the title, but in the fanfic section Beth has written a story about Red. It's funny, since we're talking about change, and in the story, all the other fraggles are growing up and going through changes, and Red runs away because she doesn't want to change. Even though Red has her own strengths, as do the other fraggles, I could still picture her resisting such changes in real life.
Pardon me. Here we are talking about doozers, and here I am talking about fraggles with a consintration on Red. Cotterpin would aprove...

[Bill Bubble Guy]

Didn't Red and Cotterpin sort of become special friends as I vaguely seem to remember?

[heralde]

This is ironic, first I was saying that I didn't particularly care for Doozers. But now I have to admit I'm not that into Cotterpin because she's not Doozer enough! I guess I like seeing the Doozers in their natural habitat more than I thought!

Another thing, I always found it amusing how the Fraggles make fun of the Doozers, but then turn around and wonder why the Gorgs are so mean. But obviously, lack of communication is the basic plot of the show! lol

[Fragglemuppet]

Yes Marty, you're right. That's why I said that Cotterpin would aprove of me talking more about Red than about the doozers. That, and the fact that she didn't think much of the doozer lifestyle, and wanted to be more like a fraggle.
I see people like Cotterpin and a few others sort of being like the "younger generation." First of all she was chronologically, but also she was sort of like pushing for change in her society. Of course she made a few mistakes along the way, but so does everyone.
;)
As for what you said Heralde about the fraggle double standard, I guess it is the understanding among all misinformed, noncommunicating people that it's okay to pick on the little guy.
:)

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

Well, you gotta note too, that the fraggles simply shake their heads at not understanding these "odd little doozers", and that is a big difference between trying to destroy or enslave them, lol.

[zeldazipple]

Yeah most seem to think that the Doozers has no pourpose but without them I think their world would not be able to function properly. Not only do the Doozers provide Fraggles with yummy towers to eat, but I also believe that they help rotate the earth something like how earthworm bring oxygen to the soil to help the plants grow.


I have to admit the Doozers were never my favorite species on Fraggle Rock.
Yeah they wern't my fave at first either 'till I realised how useful they are to the world they live in.

They were a bit under developed compared to the other species on the show.
Under developed? :confused: How do you figure that?
I always thought Doozer were technally more advanced than the Fraggles beceuse they can build things like mobeles, and tools which Fraggles probably can't do.

That being said, I enjoyed the Doozers when they were allowed to come out of their shells and be more real, like in "Doozer is as Doozer Does."

Despite their conflict, Wrench and Turbo were actually quite similar. Both were clearly very insecure and desperate to fit in. But in the end, Wrench had the stronger character. It was nice when Wrench and Turbo made up at the end. I like to think they became friends.
I believe Turbo, and Wrench became really good friends as they got older. Turbo eventually outgrew his 'rebel ' stage but he never lost his ' out of the box ' thinking which came in handy later on.

[heralde]

I believe Turbo, and Wrench became really good friends as they got older. Turbo eventually outgrew his 'rebel ' stage but he never lost his ' out of the box ' thinking which came in handy later on.

Yes, I imagine Turbo was relieved to have the stress of leadership taken off him for awhile. There was probably so much pressure to be the best team, which was why he turned to flooping.

Hehe, wow, we're taking this very seriously!

[zeldazipple]

Janice & Mokey's ManI'll go even farther than heralde.


I didn't have HBO. My grandparents did when they got a new satellite, but then it got scrambled. So after that my only chance to see the show was purely by chance of being at a relative's house when it was on. And this was VERY rare.
My mother wouldn't allow HBO in the house I really wanted it for years, finally got it when my older brother subscribed to it in a bundle so get the Diseny Channle which at the time you had to pay for. I didn't like the Fraggles very much in the beginning, but I do remeber seeing it a time or 2 on HBO.
It wasn't 'till 1989 when I decided to finally wtch it from beginning to end, and I thought it was the coolest thing on TV. From then on I was hooked. The Fraggles is what started my interest in Jim Henson and the Muppets. :)

But now I'm all "growed up", and I appreciate them for their unique place in the show. My favorite doozer is Flange because he's really manly and tough (though only 6 inches tall, how cute, lol :p ), but he's also a loving husband and father. And like me, he doesn't give in and is impatient, lol ("Doozer Contest" anyone?) He also has a cool voice and moustache, lol.
I like Fange too I fond hom to be the most ' handsomest ' Dooser in da dome. Everything about him I like as started above. :p


And when I was a kid I didn't care much for "that old man and that dog" either---but of course now I love them!
I always liked Doc and Sprocket as much as I liked the Fraggles. Doc has to be my fave though. I always love how he used to get upset on the phone and when they hung up on him he would say. " The same to you! Good bye! " That would always make me laugh.
As for Sprocket I always found him to be very charming and funny for a ' dog. ' I loved the way he would immatate Ned every time Doc said his name.
And the Gorgs, well, I didn't dislike them as kids, but they sure could intimidate the heck outta me. LOL Scary things when you're little!
I was never afraide of the Gorgs. My mum always liked Jr Goarg especially when he daned around and his big belly would bouce around.