Next Muppet Movie

[OverUnderAround]

This info isn't new, and it was last updated Oct 2005 but I thought I would post it in case no one here has seen it or mentioned it before.


created: Feb 27 2001 5:30PM. record last updated: Oct 18 2005 7:07PM
THE NEXT MUPPET MOVIE
Feature Film In Development
Producers; Brian Henson; Lisa Henson
Writer: Brian Lynch (Spec)
SUMMARY
Logline: An evil talent agent tries to convince the Muppets to break up and start their own shows. Kermit must hold the team together.
Project AKA: Muppet Movie Sequel, Muppets Movie Sequel
Project Genres: Adventure, Comedy, Family, Sequel
Project Keywords: children's, hollywood, puppet
Synopsis: Kermit the Frog must save his Muppet revue from an evil Hollywood agent after Gonzo and others are lured away to Tinseltown.


created: Oct 21 2005 8:17PM. record last updated: Oct 21 2005 8:17PM
UNTITLED MUPPETS PROJECT
Feature Film In Development
SUMMARY
Project Genres: Children, Comedy, Musical
Synopsis: A mock rockumentary featuring the Muppets.

[Marky]

This info isn't new, and it was last updated Oct 2005 but I thought I would post it in case no one here has seen it or mentioned it before.


created: Feb 27 2001 5:30PM. record last updated: Oct 18 2005 7:07PM
THE NEXT MUPPET MOVIE
Feature Film In Development
Producers; Brian Henson; Lisa Henson
Writer: Brian Lynch (Spec)
SUMMARY
Logline: An evil talent agent tries to convince the Muppets to break up and start their own shows. Kermit must hold the team together.
Project AKA: Muppet Movie Sequel, Muppets Movie Sequel
Project Genres: Adventure, Comedy, Family, Sequel
Project Keywords: children's, hollywood, puppet
Synopsis: Kermit the Frog must save his Muppet revue from an evil Hollywood agent after Gonzo and others are lured away to Tinseltown.


created: Oct 21 2005 8:17PM. record last updated: Oct 21 2005 8:17PM
UNTITLED MUPPETS PROJECT
Feature Film In Development
SUMMARY
Project Genres: Children, Comedy, Musical
Synopsis: A mock rockumentary featuring the Muppets.

Interesting. Last year, huh? That sounds like one of the projects mentioned in Toronto at the agency auditions.

[Vic Romano]

It's probably a lame duck now, at least for the time being. I'm not saying I'd be against this, but it sounds too similar to IAVMMC in just simple concept form. More like it would make a good television episode for a Muppet Show then a whole movie.

[Luke]

Yeah this idea has been around for years and years. It does kinda seem the most appropriate for a Muppet movie right now though if they are trying to get the whole classic feel back.

[heralde]

It would be interesting, and yes very appropriate. Just have to wait and see if anything happens.

[King Prawn]

The last thing I want to do after reading this news is complain but when I first heard of this movie a few years ago (right here at MC) I thought it sounded a little too similar to The Muppets Take Manhattan and now that they've made It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie it seems even less of an original idea, though this film was proably written first and it has been going round for years so it must be good, I just don't know why they've never used it before. I think I remember having read somewhere a while ago that this film had a very fun Ninja fighting scene.

Something thats also been heard of a few times is "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made" I don't know how this idea can be played out as a movie but i'd love to know more about it.

Well at least that's something, lets hope we get something good from the Muppets soon. :) :mad: :o

[Luke]

Muppets Haunted House was also a movie in the works, written originally i think by Greg The Bunny's creator. Seems very Disney'ish but they'd probably water it down. Maybe good as a TV seasonal special.

[travellingpat]

Doubt these'll happen...maybe the rockumentary

Can you see

"This is Electric Mayhem"

[Marky]

Doubt these'll happen...maybe the rockumentary

Can you see

"This is Electric Mayhem"

Ew! You got the creepy Mr. Friendly form LOST icon thing happening.
Yikes!

[King Prawn]

Muppets Haunted House was also a movie in the works, written originally i think by Greg The Bunny's creator. Seems very Disney'ish but they'd probably water it down. Maybe good as a TV seasonal special.

Yes that was another idea I liked. The Muppet family is full of Monsters if done well that one could work. There was also the time travelling one
though that one didn't impress me much.

[Luke]

The Haunted House isn't a bad idea, but i don't think its strong enough right now. They'd need to focus on the monsters as you say, and i wasn't impressed with how they made monsters from Kermit, Piggy and the others in the playstation game. I don't think it'd be funny enough, or give the Muppets the boost they need. It needs to be either another VMX type movie (kinda pop culture'ish) or one that brings back the classic muppet show kinda style like the original movies. I think them doing a themed movie, story re-telling, or a seasonal one would be a mistake right now ... especially after Oz!

There was even talk of a valentines movie a while back actually, for NBC.

[Marky]

The Haunted House isn't a bad idea, but i don't think its strong enough right now. They'd need to focus on the monsters as you say, and i wasn't impressed with how they made monsters from Kermit, Piggy and the others in the playstation game. I don't think it'd be funny enough, or give the Muppets the boost they need. It needs to be either another VMX type movie (kinda pop culture'ish) or one that brings back the classic muppet show kinda style like the original movies. I think them doing a themed movie, story re-telling, or a seasonal one would be a mistake right now ... especially after Oz!

There was even talk of a valentines movie a while back actually, for NBC.

NBC - they seem so much more in tune with what the Muppets are about.

[Luke]

Yeah i think if things would have continued with the Hensons owning the Muppets, and some kind of TV Movie/TV Series deal with NBC, and a merchandising deal with HIT, things would be a heck of a lot better than right now.

[unclematt]

I think NBC would have been a better fit but I would have never said that when Disney first bought the Muppets.

[MWoO]

Something thats also been heard of a few times is "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made" I don't know how this idea can be played out as a movie but i'd love to know more about it.



This is the idea I want to see the most. It has great potential, assuming people get the joke. Though the title and the actual concept don't really mesh well for me. From what I read here it wasn't so much that it was a cheap movie being made as much as it was that Gonzo blew the budget on the opening scene, leaving no money left. But I can't think of a better title so might as well keep it.

If that idea is never done, I will be very dissappointed as it's the best idea I've heard for a muppet movie that hasn't been done yet. It has the potential to bea classic movie as long as they stay away from the c-list cameo's from MFS. Rob Snider does not a good movie make.

[Marky]

I think NBC would have been a better fit but I would have never said that when Disney first bought the Muppets.

yyyyyyyyYep.

They would still be on SNL all the time, they'd likely have a show on now with the same set as IAVMMCM, etc, etc, etc...

[King Prawn]

This is the idea I want to see the most. It has great potential, assuming people get the joke. Though the title and the actual concept don't really mesh well for me. From what I read here it wasn't so much that it was a cheap movie being made as much as it was that Gonzo blew the budget on the opening scene, leaving no money left. But I can't think of a better title so might as well keep it.

If that idea is never done, I will be very dissappointed as it's the best idea I've heard for a muppet movie that hasn't been done yet. It has the potential to bea classic movie as long as they stay away from the c-list cameo's from MFS. Rob Snider does not a good movie make.

I agree it seems like quite an original idea for a Muppet movie. We've seen the Muppet try to put together a show before but never a movie. Maybe the movie is like one long Muppet Show episode instead this time the Muppets are trying to make a movie. I'd like to see that, sounds fun

[unclematt]

Everybody complains about the cameos in MFS but isnt that part of what made TMM so special.

[Teheheman]

Doubt these'll happen...maybe the rockumentary

Can you see

"This is Electric Mayhem"
Didn't they do something like that on Robot Chicken? It would be cool though, A straight to DVD feature on how the Electric Mayhem met and their rise to stardom. Also, a featurette on where are they now? would be kinda cool.

Daniel

[Marky]

Didn't they do something like that on Robot Chicken? It would be cool though, A straight to DVD feature on how the Electric Mayhem met and their rise to stardom. Also, a featurette on where are they now? would be kinda cool.

Daniel

What's that new crude clay animation series called? They just did a raunchy spoof on the very same subject. Janice having Hep C from Tommy Lee, having to 'put Animal down', Zoot disappearing, etc. Is was crude, but hilarious!

[unclematt]

What's that new crude clay animation series called? They just did a raunchy spoof on the very same subject. Janice having Hep C from Tommy Lee, having to 'put Animal down', Zoot disappearing, etc. Is was crude, but hilarious!
That was Robot Chicken

[Marky]

That was Robot Chicken

Scotty Evil is rude.
-BAD ROBOT!!! (like the end of LOST, eh?)

[TheJimHensonHour]

Scotty Evil is rude.
-BAD ROBOT!!! (like the end of LOST, eh?)
no that robot at the end of lost is cute hehe he needs his own series.:p

[unclematt]

what robot at the end of LOST?

[King Prawn]

I'm actually amused myself that I know what there talking about :)

At the end of every episode after the credits, we hear a young boy (sounds like one) yell out "Bad Robot" and there's a little Robot on the screen. It's not actually a Robot on Lost it's like the castle that appears just before each Disney movie, has nothing to do with the episode.

[Marky]

I'm actually amused myself that I know what there talking about :)

At the end of every episode after the credits, we hear a young boy (sounds like one) yell out "Bad Robot" and there's a little Robot on the screen. It's not actually a Robot on Lost it's like the castle that appears just before each Disney movie, has nothing to do with the episode.

That's right.
But sometimes on TV, the channel won't have the sound of it. I watched the first two seasons on DVD, where it's nice and prominent.

...it's just a production company sig, like 'Sit, Ubu, sit! Good dog!' at the end of Family Ties. But my wife and I love it for some silly reason.

[jacobsnchz]

Weren't they supposed to have "Kermit's Christmas Capers" last year? Are they still doing "America's Next Muppet"?

[Fozzie Bear]

Everybody complains about the cameos in MFS but isnt that part of what made TMM so special.

There's a difference: The cameos in TMM were timeless stars, folks who will never be forgotten and they didn't do the whole Hulk Hogan rant which really times the MFS movie. Now, there were other cameos in that film that did work: The Men in Black, Ray Liotta...my problem falls on the Hogan rant with the cameos in MFS.

[Mistersuperstar]

I think it'd be great to see a "The Office" or "Alan Partridge" kinda program or movie done with the Muppets. Kinda like a fly on wall documentary but instead of seeing the puppeteers, they make out that the Muppets are in fact real and play characters in the movies they are in. They could show behind the scenes tensions between characters and play it like it was real life.

[Marky]

I think it'd be great to see a "The Office" or "Alan Partridge" kinda program or movie done with the Muppets. Kinda like a fly on wall documentary but instead of seeing the puppeteers, they make out that the Muppets are in fact real and play characters in the movies they are in. They could show behind the scenes tensions between characters and play it like it was real life.

A Muppet Mockumentary?

[Mistersuperstar]

A Muppet Mockumentary?

Sounds good to me! :D

[Mistersuperstar]

Picture the scene. It's set in the 70's. The Muppet Show is at the height of it's sucess. A film crew want to do a documentary about the Muppets as they try to make it to the big screen. We have the gang talking about the upcoming movie and the crew follow the Muppets over the years as they go from strength to strength, doing new movies and TV appearances. We see clips from the original movies, newly recorded "outtakes" from the movies and backstage banter on the set and interviews with the Muppet cast.

I always felt that some of the best stuff from The Muppet Show was the backstage scenes. The bits where we see the characters REALLY interacting with each other. On stage, Kermit was always too professional to show his true feelings towards another character but backstage he could tell Piggy she was fired or tell Fozzie his jokes weren't funny.

This "mockumentary" could really put the Muppets back to how they were in the 70's and it wouldn't cost as much as a new movie would to make.

[Teheheman]

Actually, an Office parody would be kinda cool. You just gotta make sure that you don't over-do the whole thing. Do it a little bit, I mean, it'll be cool for like the end or something where it's a "Where are they now" sorta thing, where Fozzie is trying out for Steve Carrell's character on the Office, and Piggy's recovering from bypass surgery and has become a vegan and all that fun, Hollywood stuff. Kermit has become the CEO of a multi-national corporation, but gets jailed for some corporate mis-doings that weren't his fault. Raulf has become a section pianist for the musical Cats, Gonzo is now married with 4 eggs about to hatch any minute(god knows what those offspring are gonna look like), Beaker has speech thearpy and Bunsen has lazik eye surgery to show that he, indeed, has eyeballs. Statler and Waldorf finally died and was buried. Fozzie was arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct when he was found urinating on their grave. We all saw the Electric Mayhem on Robot Chicken, so we know what happened there, I think that's about everybody.

Daniel

[Drtooth]

There's a difference: The cameos in TMM were timeless stars, folks who will never be forgotten and they didn't do the whole Hulk Hogan rant which really times the MFS movie. Now, there were other cameos in that film that did work: The Men in Black, Ray Liotta...my problem falls on the Hogan rant with the cameos in MFS.

Heh! Didn't you once complain about Kojack in TMM? :halo:

Actually, I kinda liked Hulk Hogan being in MFS. It was kinda funny, and this dude's been around since the 80's. Hulk even has his own Geroge Forman Knockoff grill infomercial. Of all the countless infomercials they play on TV, that's the only one that doesn't get shown much.

I think the cameos in the last few films, VMX and Oz especially, were VERY dated. I don't know if NBC orchistrated Scrubs and other NBC celebrity appearances or if it was someone on Henson's side that wanted to use it to coax NBC to help them. I do admit, Jeff Tambor and Quentin Tarrentino were about the ONLY interresting things to happen in Oz. But Kelly Ozborn? I mean, if you're gonna make a dated refference, at least make sure its the same date.

I will admit, a lot of things in Earlier Muppet films were both timeless and dated. While I do agree the TMM ones were timeless, they were largely celebs that were popular in the 70's. Then, look at MTM, and we have a bunch of people popular in the3 80's, not to mention how early 80's everything looked. The only ones I'd call totally timeless would be the 2 book films, since those were period peices. I mean, the datedness got worse, but you could argue a lot of it was like that before.

What I want to see is a Muppet film that's a sketch film (similar to Monty Python's Meaning of Life). I came up with the perfect idea. The Muppets are trying to make films, but they just go around pitching ideas, and each idea would be a short 5-10 minute film. They'd go up to a movie exec and pitch these ideas, like Daffy Duck did in the Scarlet Pumpernickle (Unless I am thinking of another one. Please correct me if I'm wrong). Piggy would do some cheesey romantic comedy send up, Fozzie would do some oddball comedy thing.... maybe they could intergrate the Muppet Babies in somehow, in theatrical animated form... and of course, make fun of them doing book films, by picking the oddest book they can think of and reinacting it goofily with a random celebrity.

[unclematt]

I think anytime you put a cameo by a celebrity in a movie it dates that movie. I would also say that there were some cameos in TMM that just didnt work but the good overshines little things like that.

[Mistersuperstar]

Paul Williams was good, Richard Pryor was a great cameo and Mel Brooks was as good as ever. I don't remember a single cameo that was particularly bad.

[Marky]

I think anytime you put a cameo by a celebrity in a movie it dates that movie. I would also say that there were some cameos in TMM that just didnt work but the good overshines little things like that.

I agree with your first sentance, and the late seventies were a golden age in Hollywood. While the baby boomers had their cultural heydey in the 60's, we Gen Xers had it only a decade later, at a much younger age. When Pop culture was at its prime (the 70's, we GenXers, too young to know black & white tv, soaked it all up in Juicy Atari Pop Rock Elmoless Goodess), the Muppet Movie highlighted a who's who of cameos. Celebrities today are far more disposable and unimportant as they were back then. This goes for movies and music (although tv is entering a new golden age with the CSIs and the Serialzed Drama).

We had the best movies, Star Wars, Superman, Rocky, Jaws!
We had the best family tv, Muppets, Sesame, network specials when families still chose to watch something together as an event.

Hence, my strong disagreement with your second sentance - what cameo in The Muppet Movie could you have possibly object too???

Then again, if you weren't there at the time, and judging by your post, you likely weren't, I can't expect you to possibly understand.

[Drtooth]

We had the best movies, Star Wars, Superman, Rocky, Jaws!
We had the best family tv, Muppets, Sesame, network specials when families still chose to watch something together as an event.

But your cartoons sucked. I mean, they were all Scooby doo or Archies knockoffs. Fat Albert ruled, though.

I agree that celebs are more disposable today. I mean, TMM did have a few dated people in it, but it also had Charlie McCarthy and Bob Hope in it. And they're REALLY dated by that aspect.:crazy: But the latest ones had very dated cameos. Hulk Hogan was probably the most timeless MFS had (he got his start in the 80's). Rob Schnider should be hung (or is it hanged) for making such horrible movies. And all I can say about F. Murray Abraham? F...MURRAY...ABRAHAM!!!! (Simpsons refference). But that's still peanuts to Kelly Ripa and Kelly Ozborne.

[unclematt]

I dont object to any but there are some that I feel took away from the movie and the other cameos. I guess the two that bothered me the most were Carol Kane and Paul Williams. Neither of which I would describe as timeless. I understand that Paul Williams was a great friend of the Muppets I just think that by adding him to the cameos you take away from the Bob Hopes, Milton Berles and Edgar Bergmans.

Marky, I am not trying to cause a rif here I love TMM and I am just stating how I feel about the two minor cameos. It is still a true classic and in my opion one of the best movies ever made.

[Mistersuperstar]

Unless you use people who will never age and always be at the same height of popularity, a movie will automatically date over a number of years. It can't be helped.

[Marky]

Unless you use people who will never age and always be at the same height of popularity, a movie will automatically date over a number of years. It can't be helped.

Of course, it's just that tv and movie stars were viewed differently as a whole, back then, and Celebrity cameos weren't as standard and ho-hum as they are today.

[Mistersuperstar]

Of course, it's just that tv and movie stars were viewed differently as a whole, back then, and Celebrity cameos weren't as standard and ho-hum as they are today.

I don't know. Even movies back then relied on celeb cameos. Marlon Brando's cameo in Superman made him more highly paid than any of the other cast, and he only appeared on screen for a few minutes.

[unclematt]

I wouldnt call that a cameo. That was a role.

[Mistersuperstar]

I wouldnt call that a cameo. That was a role.

So, how many lines of dialogue turns a part from a cameo to a role?

[unclematt]

He was playing Supermans father. They are not going to give that part to a bit actor. It is not like a waiter or a balloon salesman. How many lines has nothing to do with it.

[Mistersuperstar]

He was playing Supermans father. They are not going to give that part to a bit actor. It is not like a waiter or a balloon salesman. How many lines has nothing to do with it.

But the whole reason for using him was to boost ticket sales. Surely it's no different.

[unclematt]

I think it is.

[Mistersuperstar]

I think it is.

Considering he was paid $3.7million for less than 10 minutes and the movie was over 2 hours long, I'd still consider it a cameo. Either way, noone would consider that kind of money to a so called "celebrity" cameo nowadays. That's what we were talking about right? :confused:

[unclematt]

I am not sure man You win

[Mistersuperstar]

I am not sure man You win

I think the meaning of the thread got lost somewhere along the way. lol. :o

[unclematt]

I think the meaning of the thread got lost somewhere along the way. lol. :o
Sorry man

[Marky]

Not to sound like a know-it-all, but Marlon Brando's role in Superman was most definately not a cameo. If you want to go by SAG line count, he had a Supporting Principle Role.

He had top billing of the film. Gene Hackman had second billing, Christopher Reeve had third. A cameo is limited to one scene, often uncredited.

[Mistersuperstar]

Not to sound like a know-it-all, but Marlon Brando's role in Superman was most definately not a cameo. If you want to go by SAG line count, he had a Supporting Principle Role.

He had top billing of the film. Gene Hackman had second billing, Christopher Reeve had third. A cameo is limited to one scene, often uncredited.

Sorry, but that's kinda missing the point of what the conversation was about initially. I was just showing a way that movie's, even back in the 70's, used well known names to promote a movie that starred relatively unknown actors. Whether it be a cameo or not, movies have always and will always use big names to influence the cinema-goers to go see that film. Also, don't forget that Brando would have had to have top billing because Christopher Reeve was a complete unknown at that time. Brando was the reason that most people went to see the movie.

[Mistersuperstar]

Also, I got the fact that Brando's bit-part in "Superman" was a cameo from various websites and interviews with him. I've been a fan of the movie for many years.

[Marky]

Sorry, but that's kinda missing the point of what the conversation was about initially. I was just showing a way that movie's, even back in the 70's, used well known names to promote a movie that starred relatively unknown actors. Whether it be a cameo or not, movies have always and will always use big names to influence the cinema-goers to go see that film. Also, don't forget that Brando would have had to have top billing because Christopher Reeve was a complete unknown at that time. Brando was the reason that most people went to see the movie.

Okay then... films relied on 'cameos' back then because they were a still interesting, buzzworthy and a big deal. My original point was that this gimmick is not ----

HEY! THERE'S A LITTLE CAKE BY MY NAME!
I'm 33 today!

[Drtooth]

Not to sound like a know-it-all, but Marlon Brando's role in Superman was most definately not a cameo. If you want to go by SAG line count, he had a Supporting Principle Role.



And wasn't he in some bit(s) of Superman 2, but was cut out, due to the costliness of having him in the film?

[Marky]

And wasn't he in some bit(s) of Superman 2, but was cut out, due to the costliness of having him in the film?

Yes, all that will be restored in the Superman II Richard Donner cut later this month on DVD.

[unclematt]

He was even in the newest movie, almost two years after his death

[Marky]

He was even in the newest movie, almost two years after his death

Yes, he was. That was a cameo. Cameo = one scene. Cameo also = WORD UP!

[TheJimHensonHour]

Yes, he was. That was a cameo. Cameo = one scene. Cameo also = WORD UP!
cameo also = band cameo also = back on topic ;)

[Kimp the Shrimp]

i would be in favor of this as per the 1st posting

[Speed Tracer]

I always liked the description of The Next Muppet Movie at AICN I read so many years ago. It definitely sounds like it could be a great next movie.

[Speed Tracer]

I'm sorry for the double post guys but I just had a thought.

There's been a three-year time period between each and every Muppet movie since MTI. That was 1996... then MFS in 1999... then VMX in 2002... and MOZ on 2005. So it's likely we can expect another in 2008.

I realize this does very little to boost this thread's topic but I figured I would share my brilliant, exhausting research with you.

[unclematt]

I'm sorry for the double post guys but I just had a thought.

There's been a three-year time period between each and every Muppet movie since MTI. That was 1996... then MFS in 1999... then VMX in 2002... and MOZ on 2005. So it's likely we can expect another in 2008.

I realize this does very little to boost this thread's topic but I figured I would share my brilliant, exhausting research with you.
Isnt Fraggle Rock expected in 2008

[BEAR]

A Muppet Mockumentary?


How about a Mupp-umentary?

[TheJimHensonHour]

How about a Mupp-umentary?
sounds like a heart felt movie to me haha get it muppets felt? haha nevermind:o

[unclematt]

sounds like a heart felt movie to me haha get it muppets felt? haha nevermind:o
(In best Fozzy impression) You are fuunnnyyyyy

[TheJimHensonHour]

(In best Fozzy impression) You are fuunnnyyyyy
I learn from the best! the best I tell yea he's the best right?:o

[beaker]

How about a Mupp-umentary?

Well there's The World According To Sesame Street that just came out, but that is pretty depressing.

Yeah the Muppet Mockumentary was spose to be in development, that fell through. As did the straight to video Bear in the Big Blue House movie.

Looks like the only Muppet film coming to the big screen in the next millennia is Fraggle Rock, which is...pretty darn cool. Tho yeah, I remember seeing BOTH MFS and Elmo in Grouchland opening days in 1999...the rare year TWO Muppet films came to the big screen.

I could easily see them making an epicly nifty new Muppet movie. If the writing was smart and heartfelt, definately.

[Marky]

MFS did so badly in theatres that I doubt Disney would risk another theatrical release.

[Teheheman]

Don't be too sure about that, you see a lot of things that are made out of 70's TV shows, and with the nostalgia phase kicking in, you'll be shocked to see that they might actually make a movie. All they need is a killer script, and for the personalities of the characters to be just like they were when they were in their golden days, then you have a killer movie. I mean, come on, most movies these days suck. They hype the Muppets up, and put them opening against nothing. Then you have a blockbuster hit.

Daniel

[Marky]

Well, at the rate things have been going...
Maybe they'll wait until after a few more DVD season sets of TMS. I mean they'd have to lick their wounds after MWoO.

[maniacal muppet]

The Movie outline sounds great! Maybe it'll have a bunch of older characters too.

[Erine81981]

It's Stupid Monkey not robot. It's Seth doing a stupid voice over and he says "Stupid Monkey."

[BEAR]

sounds like a heart felt movie to me haha get it muppets felt? haha nevermind:o


HAHA!!

[maniacal muppet]

sounds like a heart felt movie to me haha get it muppets felt? haha nevermind:o

I love that one, a puppet classic

[TheJimHensonHour]

HAHA!!
hoi! hoi! *wait where am I!!*:o Kerrrrmmmeeeet!

[Barry Lee]

Okay, I think we do need another muppet movie, but here's what we need to make the movie succesful (in my opinion)


Original Songs one thing lacking on MFS was Original Songs! I have heard Brick House a million times in almost every movie! I want something new, it shows that they took alot of time to figure out the movie if they made some original songs.
Not Alot of Pop Culture References that was the problem with MWoO, too many pop culture refrences and nothing thought out cleverly, where is the humor that makes you think? Visual humor? We need more of that in muppet movies.
Simplicity The Muppet Movie, GMC, Muppets Take Manhatten were very simple, nothing to complex, nothing rushed, but in MWoO for example, there were too many things going on at once (in my opinion) they rushed too much for you to meet the characters and by the end of the movie, I really didn't get to know the characters.
Originality STOP DOING STORYBOOK MOVIES!! Come'on, give us something new. We know the story of "The Christmas Carol", "Treasure Island", "It's A Wonderful Life", and "Wizard of Oz" why do I wanna see a movie telling a story I know whats going to happen in the end?
Knowledge I feel the writers don't know the muppets as well, especially in It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas and MWoO. Stop changing the characters. We need some writers who actually know who the muppets are, and who better to write a movie than the Muppeteers themselves?
Character Choices I like Pepe' don't get me wrong, but I dont want a movie where he is hogging the screen every 5 minutes! It's funny at first, but it gets really annoying, I have never seen any of the muppets competing for screen time until now, and thats how I feel about Pepe' I believe the writers force him into movies too hard.
Make it a family film I almost feel MWoO was a kids film, it was too many pop culture stuff and alot of annoying jokes. I also feel the same for KSY. Make it appeal to everybody, have funny humor, but simple humor.
Magic where is the muppet magic? In KSY, IAVMMCM, MWoO, and MFS I don't see the magic of the muppets, we just lost the whole magic, all of the inspirational yet hillarious lines, we lost the Rainbow Connection, where is the magic in Muppet Movies these days? Where?I seriously think with these 8 things, a muppet movie would be way way better.

[travellingpat]

Well put Barry Lee, thats exactly what should be there!

[King Prawn]

Okay, I think we do need another muppet movie, but here's what we need to make the movie succesful (in my opinion)


Original Songs one thing lacking on MFS was Original Songs! I have heard Brick House a million times in almost every movie! I want something new, it shows that they took alot of time to figure out the movie if they made some original songs.
Not Alot of Pop Culture References that was the problem with MWoO, too many pop culture refrences and nothing thought out cleverly, where is the humor that makes you think? Visual humor? We need more of that in muppet movies.
Simplicity The Muppet Movie, GMC, Muppets Take Manhatten were very simple, nothing to complex, nothing rushed, but in MWoO for example, there were too many things going on at once (in my opinion) they rushed too much for you to meet the characters and by the end of the movie, I really didn't get to know the characters.
Originality STOP DOING STORYBOOK MOVIES!! Come'on, give us something new. We know the story of "The Christmas Carol", "Treasure Island", "It's A Wonderful Life", and "Wizard of Oz" why do I wanna see a movie telling a story I know whats going to happen in the end?
Knowledge I feel the writers don't know the muppets as well, especially in It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas and MWoO. Stop changing the characters. We need some writers who actually know who the muppets are, and who better to write a movie than the Muppeteers themselves?
Character Choices I like Pepe' don't get me wrong, but I dont want a movie where he is hogging the screen every 5 minutes! It's funny at first, but it gets really annoying, I have never seen any of the muppets competing for screen time until now, and thats how I feel about Pepe' I believe the writers force him into movies too hard.
Make it a family film I almost feel MWoO was a kids film, it was too many pop culture stuff and alot of annoying jokes. I also feel the same for KSY. Make it appeal to everybody, have funny humor, but simple humor.
Magic where is the muppet magic? In KSY, IAVMMCM, MWoO, and MFS I don't see the magic of the muppets, we just lost the whole magic, all of the inspirational yet hillarious lines, we lost the Rainbow Connection, where is the magic in Muppet Movies these days? Where?I seriously think with these 8 things, a muppet movie would be way way better.

Exactly!

Very well said Barry

[unclematt]

I think if Fraggle Rock does well in the box office you will see a rush to the big screen with the muppets.

[TheJimHensonHour]

I think if Fraggle Rock does well in the box office you will see a rush to the big screen with the muppets.
very well could be. but on a personal note I'd rather them not rush anything when it comes to the muppets.

[Teheheman]

Here's a good thought, we have so many talented writers on this board, why don't we write a script? I mean, we have so many on this board, just submit some to the Henson company or the Disney creative team, and see if we can't come up with a funny, original script for a movie that the Muppets can do. I mean, originality would be the key to this new movie. We should get started, what's Disney's address again? Somebody use Eisner as a battering ram.

Daniel

[SurfPark]

Don't write anything. They don't take scripts from fans because of the legal issues involved with that. We submit a script, they use it, then we could go around and sue them. Disney is all about proprietary everything. They'll create an entire wing of writers before they'd ever outsource talent.

[Marky]

Don't write anything. They don't take scripts from fans because of the legal issues involved with that. We submit a script, they use it, then we could go around and sue them. Disney is all about proprietary everything. They'll create an entire wing of writers before they'd ever outsource talent.

Not to mention encroaching on the SWG - big time!

[Super Scooter]

Here's a good thought, we have so many talented writers on this board, why don't we write a script? I mean, we have so many on this board, just submit some to the Henson company or the Disney creative team, and see if we can't come up with a funny, original script for a movie that the Muppets can do. I mean, originality would be the key to this new movie. We should get started, what's Disney's address again? Somebody use Eisner as a battering ram.

Daniel
We did write a script that we were planning on submitting to the Henson Company (Disney didn't own them yet), but I think it was around the time Disney bought them that we decided they would probably never use it, even if they did like it, pretty much for the same reasons already mentioned.

You can read that script in it's entirety here: The Muppets Vs. Las Vegas (http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=22191&highlight=vegas)

[unclematt]

We have some good writers in these forums

[beaker]

I was writing a script treatment for the ultimate new theatrical Muppet film, until JHC sold em' to Disney.

It'd begin in San Francisco, with the Muppets all working at some new startup dot com telecommunications company. Penguins, chickens amok, total classic Muppet mayhem for the first 7 or 8 minutes...except inside of a laid back, fun filled technology firm.(Beaker trying to help people with textsupport, and his head exploding from too many calls, Pepe trying to hit on females calling in for text support, Rizzo ordering pizza, just total crazyness.

But then, an evil corporate CEO, say...played by someone like Christopher Walken would shut em down. The main villain would be surrounded by Skeksis/creature shop like creatures, in the top of a corporate highrise...where the top floor is like this swampy dark crystal like netherworld.

Kermit, whose doing some deep life/soul searching/meditation away from everything in the swamp, gets a letter that his Muppet friends are in dire danger. So he literally crosses the four corners of the globe to gather all the Muppets...youd see brief scenes of him walking through deserts, snow storms, etc. He'd be in tokyo, Germany, the UK, Africa, middle east, etc trying to gather up old and new Muppets, even obscure ones.

Then theyd all face down the main villian, ala the final act of Roger Rabbit.

That's about as far as I got, but I think it's about as good as any idea the Muppet writers could mull around. **** have Spike Jonze direct it, have some whacked out unexpected cameos and really offbeat humor, and it'd be a hit with the hip kids.

[beaker]

Don't write anything. They don't take scripts from fans because of the legal issues involved with that. We submit a script, they use it, then we could go around and sue them. Disney is all about proprietary everything. They'll create an entire wing of writers before they'd ever outsource talent.

Even tho the funny thing, it's usually the fans of franchises that KNOW the characters and new ideas better.

*some* franchises are starting to take more cues from fans. Even if they dont admit it, you KNOW Revenge of the Sith was one big fanboy thank you.

[Marky]

Even if they dont admit it, you KNOW Revenge of the Sith was one big fanboy thank you.

Okay, now I'm interested. Please explain.

[Teheheman]

I think that somebody thought of the beginning of Darth Vader before Lucas ever did. You know that they probably wrote that after the first movie or before Episode 1, for a really good prequel on how it happened. Has anybody thought of a Muppet Babies movie yet? That'll be cool as heck.

Daniel

[unclematt]

I think that somebody thought of the beginning of Darth Vader before Lucas ever did. You know that they probably wrote that after the first movie or before Episode 1, for a really good prequel on how it happened. Has anybody thought of a Muppet Babies movie yet? That'll be cool as heck.

Daniel
If they were to ever consider making a Muppet Babies Movie I would hope it was not animated and that they used the puppet versions.

[Super Scooter]

I was writing a script treatment for the ultimate new theatrical Muppet film, until JHC sold em' to Disney.

It'd begin in San Francisco, with the Muppets all working at some new startup dot com telecommunications company. Penguins, chickens amok, total classic Muppet mayhem for the first 7 or 8 minutes...except inside of a laid back, fun filled technology firm.(Beaker trying to help people with textsupport, and his head exploding from too many calls, Pepe trying to hit on females calling in for text support, Rizzo ordering pizza, just total crazyness.

But then, an evil corporate CEO, say...played by someone like Christopher Walken would shut em down. The main villain would be surrounded by Skeksis/creature shop like creatures, in the top of a corporate highrise...where the top floor is like this swampy dark crystal like netherworld.

Kermit, whose doing some deep life/soul searching/meditation away from everything in the swamp, gets a letter that his Muppet friends are in dire danger. So he literally crosses the four corners of the globe to gather all the Muppets...youd see brief scenes of him walking through deserts, snow storms, etc. He'd be in tokyo, Germany, the UK, Africa, middle east, etc trying to gather up old and new Muppets, even obscure ones.

Then theyd all face down the main villian, ala the final act of Roger Rabbit.

That's about as far as I got, but I think it's about as good as any idea the Muppet writers could mull around. **** have Spike Jonze direct it, have some whacked out unexpected cameos and really offbeat humor, and it'd be a hit with the hip kids.
... I would sooooooooooo see that.

[unclematt]

I think it is a really good start to a script and based on that alone I would see it for sure. I especially like the part about Kermit bring the old and new Muppets together. Very cool.

[Teheheman]

If they were to ever consider making a Muppet Babies Movie I would hope it was not animated and that they used the puppet versions.
If they DO make it animated, they better bring back Dave Coulier and Howie Mandell to do the voices.

Daniel

[unclematt]

If they DO make it animated, they better bring back Dave Coulier and Howie Mandell to do the voices.

Daniel
Dave yes. Howie is way to busy

[Marky]

If they're not going to make another Muppet Movie, show, or tv movie, they're ceeeeeertainly not going to bother bringing back 'Muppet Babies'!

[unclematt]

Never say never

[Teheheman]

Never say never, never say die, never say don't, never say ever, wait, that last one sounded like a good idea for a country song. Man, Nashville is rubbing off on me :-D

Daniel

[Super Scooter]

"Never say never, Princeton. There's still one more person we have to hit up!"

... Well, it deffenitely ain't Nashville rubbin' off on me.

[Marky]

I'm not trashing Muppet Babies, it's fine for what it was.
I'm just realistic on what it isn't.

[travellingpat]

All Howies doing is Deal or No Deal...what else? he would have time!

[Marky]

I can't see how or why Muppet Babies would ever be revised... and if it did, why on earth wouldn't they use Steve W., Eric J. etc for it?

[Teheheman]

Well, look at all the 80's shows that they are making movies of now. You have Miami Vice, Dallas is in pre-production, Magnum PI is being talked about, among others, you'd be stupid not to at least think about it. I mean, what about an adventure where Nanny gets kidnapped or something. They could even do the CGI version of it. Where the Muppets are in CGI, but everybody else isn't. Kinda like a Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Besides, it's all about money, and how much it'll cost to shoot. You have a lot of muppet kids runnin around it might cost more to do that than CGI. I dunno, it sounds good though.

Daniel

[Marky]

You have a lot of muppet kids runnin around it might cost more to do that than CGI. I dunno, it sounds good though.

Daniel

... YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR MIND. Cost of filming puppets vs cg - cg being cheaper???

Yes, eighties hit shows are remade, ad nauseum. But Muppet Babies was just a spin-off series of a musical number from the least successful Muppet film of Jim's run. It was a sub-product, not unlike the Yellow Submarine film - it wasn't really the Beatles.

Muppet Babies weren't puppets, and the voices weren't the real cast. It was just a simple cartoon based on the Muppets. I'm not knocking it, but that's all it was.

[unclematt]

Muppet Babies was not spun off from MTM. That scene was added to build a little hype for Muppet Babies. Secondly The fact they werent pupets is not an arguement. It was a cartoon series and it was supposed to be a cartoon series. The voices were done by new talent because tehy needed new voices. Nobody sounds the same at the age of three as they do at the age of 20.

Lets see a Muppet babies Movie!!!

[beaker]

1) I never want to see a cgi muppets movie or show, unless its just a character or helping with backgrounds for a movie or special

2) While Muppet Babies is NOT canon, I consider it the finest American animated show of all time. To this day, those episodes to me are simply extrordinary and rife with fostering "imag-in-ay-sheeun"...too bad they aint on dvd

3) MTM is my fave muppet film of all time:)

[Fozzie Bear]

Muppet Babies was not spun off from MTM. That scene was added to build a little hype for Muppet Babies. Secondly The fact they werent pupets is not an arguement. It was a cartoon series and it was supposed to be a cartoon series. The voices were done by new talent because tehy needed new voices. Nobody sounds the same at the age of three as they do at the age of 20.

Lets see a Muppet babies Movie!!!

Is that chronology correct? I need to find my Jim Henson the Works book! (it's my Hensonology Bible).

I didn't love Muppet Babies cartoon at all--but, I did find where I taped it and it was a cute film. As far as it not being canon to the Muppets' history, it still isnt; but, I figured a way to fit it into things: It's a continuation of Miss Piggy's fantasy! So, it works. For me, that is.

[TheJimHensonHour]

Is that chronology correct? I need to find my Jim Henson the Works book! (it's my Hensonology Bible).

I didn't love Muppet Babies cartoon at all--but, I did find where I taped it and it was a cute film. As far as it not being canon to the Muppets' history, it still isnt; but, I figured a way to fit it into things: It's a continuation of Miss Piggy's fantasy! So, it works. For me, that is.
well I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who doesn't like the muppet babies lol I also really hate when I talk about the muppets or muppet show people go OHHHH THE MUPPETS BABIES I LOVE THEM...and I go noooo not the stupid muppet babies ugh! lol:cry:

[Marky]

1) Canon in the Muppet's storyline? I assumed that with so many variations, we're not suppoesd to even worry (or care) about this!

2) Muppet Babies the best animated series of all time? Is it possible that you feel this way solely on the fact that it's based on the Muppets? It was just another Saturday morning licence toy-selling tie-in with cheap animation and second-rate imitators. It helped fund Fraggle Rock production when CBC funding was nixed. I mean, it was fine for what it was, but that's all it was.

3) Outside of the hardcore fanbase, Average Joe & Jane eithernever heard of it, or likely share the opinion that is was just an 80's cartoon show. Like Duck Tales.

[Fozzie Bear]

I couldn't review it so badly, and I don't even really think I could watch it in huge quantities.

One of the things to keep in mind is that some folks who were raised in the 80's ONLY knew Muppet Babies, and that cartoon is what won them into the Muppets fandom. There really wasn't much else going on at the time (if I remember correctly) and folks like, my little cousin for example, was surprised when she saw The Muppet Show and actually asked me, "Why'd they grow them up?"

Same situation with kids who grew up on Ninja Turtles. Ever try talking to them about art history? Bring up certain names, and they start craving a chance to eat pizza and kick people!

Anyhow, there's some folks who think the 'canon' of The Muppets is told in The Muppet Movie and via The Muppet Show, and other stuff just kind of falls into place after that...if you can fit it in there somewhere. So, for those of us who need a story to further our enjoyment, we find the canon. For folks like you, Marky, it's the productions to enjoy. Ever'body's different. :)

[Marky]

I couldn't review it so badly, and I don't even really think I could watch it in huge quantities.

One of the things to keep in mind is that some folks who were raised in the 80's ONLY knew Muppet Babies, and that cartoon is what won them into the Muppets fandom. There really wasn't much else going on at the time (if I remember correctly) and folks like, my little cousin for example, was surprised when she saw The Muppet Show and actually asked me, "Why'd they grow them up?"

Same situation with kids who grew up on Ninja Turtles. Ever try talking to them about art history? Bring up certain names, and they start craving a chance to eat pizza and kick people!

Anyhow, there's some folks who think the 'canon' of The Muppets is told in The Muppet Movie and via The Muppet Show, and other stuff just kind of falls into place after that...if you can fit it in there somewhere. So, for those of us who need a story to further our enjoyment, we find the canon. For folks like you, Marky, it's the productions to enjoy. Ever'body's different. :)

Well said, Fozzie.

I just want to make it clear, if Ihaven't already...
I'm not knocking the show - it was cute. And the fact that it brought (and still brings) happiness to people is great. I didn't mind it back then (though I admit, I was getting to the age where I was more into action stuff than cartoons at the time).

IF they were to bring it back, however, I would almost insist that they use puppets instead of any type of animation.

[unclematt]

Well said, Fozzie.

I just want to make it clear, if Ihaven't already...
I'm not knocking the show - it was cute. And the fact that it brought (and still brings) happiness to people is great. I didn't mind it back then (though I admit, I was getting to the age where I was more into action stuff than cartoons at the time).

IF they were to bring it back, however, I would almost insist that they use puppets instead of any type of animation.
I agree 100%

[TheJimHensonHour]

Same situation with kids who grew up on Ninja Turtles. Ever try talking to them about art history? Bring up certain names, and they start craving a chance to eat pizza and kick people!
that's hardly true Fozzie I ended up becoming veru much into art and going to art school because of shows and comics like the ninja turtles as well as the works of jim henson and the people around him.:D

[Super Scooter]

One of the things to keep in mind is that some folks who were raised in the 80's ONLY knew Muppet Babies, and that cartoon is what won them into the Muppets fandom. There really wasn't much else going on at the time (if I remember correctly)

I know the Muppet Babies was, at the time, one of my only connections to the "classic" Muppets. This was the early ninties, and, sure, there was Sesame Street, but no Muppet Show that I could watch. Not even any Fraggles, really. Just Muppet Babies on TV. Other than that, I depended on videos. Still have 'em!

Same situation with kids who grew up on Ninja Turtles. Ever try talking to them about art history? Bring up certain names, and they start craving a chance to eat pizza and kick people!

That reminds me of something (off topic). When I was a kid, all my friends in kindergarten were big on Ninja Turtles, and they always said their favorite color was green because of it (kids are weird). I'd never seen the Ninja Turtles, but to fit in, I told them my favorite color was green because of the Turtles. Really, and obviously, it was because of Kermit. But all my "friends" thought that the Muppets were for babies, so I never told them they were my favorite. Five year olds saying this!!! WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO???

[heralde]

::shrugs:: I am sorry more people don't like Muppet Babies. It was a very clever cartoon, with historical, artistic and pop culture references. Very few cartoons have been as amusing and no cartoon has been quite as ambitious since.

And for the whole "not being canon" thing. I think Muppet Babies was a lot more canon than "Muppets From Space." At least the characters acted like themselves.

I'm not saying everyone needs to love the show. But its quality should still be acknowledged. :)

[Teheheman]

... YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR MIND. Cost of filming puppets vs cg - cg being cheaper???

Yes, eighties hit shows are remade, ad nauseum. But Muppet Babies was just a spin-off series of a musical number from the least successful Muppet film of Jim's run. It was a sub-product, not unlike the Yellow Submarine film - it wasn't really the Beatles.

Muppet Babies weren't puppets, and the voices weren't the real cast. It was just a simple cartoon based on the Muppets. I'm not knocking it, but that's all it was.
I think that the cost to make the puppets, secure the locations you would need to make it and the cost of the actors/actresses to make cameos, it would probably be cheaper to get an animation team together and make a 2D movie(since there are none of those around)
Muppet Babies weren't a spin-off of the musical number of MTM(which was a great movie btw) the musical number was based on Piggy's fantasy.
I know that they weren't puppets, and the voices weren't the real cast. But does that mean we have to forget about one of the most successful Muppet ventures of all time? Here's how it goes: Muppet Show, Muppet Movies(I count them all as one), Fraggle Rock, Muppet Babies. The only reason you put it animated is so you don't have to hire a whole new cast of people to do the voices. Just use the original cast. I'm sure that they aren't THAT busy.

Daniel

[Fozzie Bear]

Ha ha--wasn't this movie about "The Next Muppet Movie" where Gonzo spends the budget on opening credits? :)

Just kidding.

I agree with everyone, and in one case I should have said "some kids" when referring to the Ninja Turtles.

[Teheheman]

Ha ha--wasn't this movie about "The Next Muppet Movie" where Gonzo spends the budget on opening credits? :)

Just kidding.

I agree with everyone, and in one case I should have said "some kids" when referring to the Ninja Turtles.
Heck, that sounds like an interesting movie idea.

Daniel

[Muppet Pro]

I wish Muppets Holding Co. Can do that movie idea that Jim Henson and the guys came up with years ago "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever (a.k.a. Muppets Haunted Hotel"
When Kermit gives Gonzo the go to make is own movie.

It sounds hilarious and might be the funniest project The Muppets have ever done. :)

[unclematt]

I think that idea could be a huge success but you have to have the right writers in place and I dont know if they are around right now.

[Marky]

I think that idea could be a huge success but you have to have the right writers in place and I dont know if they are around right now.

Well, with Jerry Juhl (and Jim Henson for that matter) gone, and no Frank Oz not Muppeting (he's doing Yoda stuff for the 2 new Star Wars shows, btw), I think we'd get something on the level of quality of MWoO again.

It's more likely that we'll get nothing, though.
Time to brush up on my French!

[Muppet Pro]

I think we'd get something on the level of quality of MWoO again.

WOW, I thought MWoO was good. I didn't like Muppets From Space other than the Celebration musical number. They were using some crude toilot humor in that. That's pretty cheap. Esspecially how they were using actual tracks like Brick House. That's unlike The Muppets because they're original most of the time and don't do things to despritely get audiances.

Another thing is that French Muppet Show. If you can have one in France, why not here where the REAL Muppets are. It's one thing if you have the puppets, it's another if you have the legandary existing team. :)

[Marky]

Another thing is that French Muppet Show. If you can have one in France, why not here where the REAL Muppets are. It's one thing if you have the puppets, it's another if you have the legandary existing team. :)

I feel that the 'legendary team' has been gone since 1990.
Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson and Richard Hunt aren't exactly active, either. Nor is their chief writer, Jerry Juhl. They were the people who made the magic. But especially Jim Henson. Brian Henson almost brought it back. He was so close.

The Muppets are currently a French outfit now.
C'est la vie, mon ami.

Disney's aquisition of the property basically spelt the beginning of the end.
It's now just nostalgia...

... or French.

[Muppet Pro]

I feel that the 'legendary team' has been gone since 1990.
Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson and Richard Hunt aren't exactly active, either. Nor is their chief writer, Jerry Juhl. They were the people who made the magic. But especially Jim Henson. Brian Henson almost brought it back. He was so close.

The Muppets are currently a French outfit now.
C'est la vie, mon ami.

Disney's aquisition of the property basically spelt the beginning of the end.
It's now just nostalgia...

... or French.

Yesh, I feel the same way too. I know that Jim wanted his work to continue, that's great and all but you know.....It's just not the same.

Esspecially Sesame Street. When Jim and the guys did it, they entertained the adults as much as the children. Today's Sesame (OH GOD FORBID), just look at what Sesame Workshop did to Jim's beautiful work. :eek:

[unclematt]

I dont think the new Sesame is a bad show

[Super Scooter]

Okay, okay, fine! You've convinced me. I'll go work for the Muppets and bring them back to their original glory.

In all seriousness, though, I was thinking about this today. I think Bill brings alot to the Muppet table. He's directed before, he's written before. I would love to see him team up with one of the Muppet writers. I'd like to see him step in and do the next Muppet project as director and (at least co-)writer.

[unclematt]

The only thing that bothers me about Bill is that he was not there for the heyday. Dont get me wrong, I think he is a wonderfully talented guy. I just wish we could get Brian or Steve or Dave or God forbid Frank to come back and show these new guys what it is all about. Then I think Bill would be in a much better place to write and direct a Muppet feature.

[muppet baby]

this is going to be so good i can not wait to see this i hope that it will be soon . I love both the great muppet caper and the muppet movie they have great plots .
wow the sequal will be great to the muppet movie .:mad: :) :concern:

[Barry Lee]

Welcome to the board muppetbaby! So far there is no Muppet Movie sequel (or any muppet movie) in the works that we know of. It was a rumor a few years ago. Sorry. :o

[muppet baby]

Muppet Babies was not spun off from MTM. That scene was added to build a little hype for Muppet Babies. Secondly The fact they werent pupets is not an arguement. It was a cartoon series and it was supposed to be a cartoon series. The voices were done by new talent because tehy needed new voices. Nobody sounds the same at the age of three as they do at the age of 20.

Lets see a Muppet babies Movie!!!

Oh gosh yes that is a great idea that would be so good , someone from Disney should do that since they have the rights to the muppets now :) .
Also was there ever a doll made from the miss piggy baby that was done in MTM ?:mad:

[unclematt]

Oh gosh yes that is a great idea that would be so good , someone from Disney should do that since they have the rights to the muppets now :) .
Also was there ever a doll made from the miss piggy baby that was done in MTM ?:mad:
Yes My sister used to have it

[muppet baby]

Welcome to the board muppetbaby! So far there is no Muppet Movie sequel (or any muppet movie) in the works that we know of. It was a rumor a few years ago. Sorry. :o

That is so sad Barry i can't belive it , that would have been wonderful . Oh well useally the good stuff never comes oh well thank you for the welcome Barry I am glad to be here i have been a muppet fan since i was two literlly i wish i had known about the bord sooner , although i have only been a part of the internet since 03 . Oh well better late than never .
:mad: :)

[muppet baby]

Yes My sister used to have it

Thank you for the reply wow i thoght that i saw that in the toy stores Loooo i never got to get it before they went out i wish that they would bring it back .
I loved the look of that miss piggy baby in MTM than any other Baby on the market . Looooooo does any one know if they chould bring that back .:mad: :) I would like one so much

[unclematt]

Thank you for the reply wow i thoght that i saw that in the toy stores Loooo i never got to get it before they went out i wish that they would bring it back .
I loved the look of that miss piggy baby in MTM than any other Baby on the market . Looooooo does any one know if they chould bring that back .:mad: :) I would like one so much
I used to have a Kermit I wish I stll had that

[muppet baby]

I used to have a Kermit I wish I stll had that

I had a kermit also , before it went out but i don't know what happened to him Looooooo:mad: :)

[Super Scooter]

A few thoughts on the recent announcment that Bill Barretta and Brian Henson were working on a Muppet script:

It's been 8 years since we last saw a theatircally released Muppet movie. It will be 9 or 10 years before we might see the next (depending on how fast the process goes). This will mark the longest waiting period between Muppet movies ever, just beating time between The Muppets Take Manhattan and A Muppet Christmas Carol (at 8 years). Just as then, alot has happened between the two films. A Muppet Christmas Carol started with a touching dedication to Jim Henson and Richard Hunt. In the time since Muppets From Space, we have lost at least one other valued member of the Muppets, one whose name has appeared on every theatrically released Muppet movie to date: Jerry Juhl.

With the sad absence of Jerry's name this time around, and the possibility of a few other names gone missing, it will be interesting noting the results. It's possible that Frank Oz and Jerry Nelson may be unable to participate in the film's production, though we all hope they'll be able to. How will this effect the film? As with A Muppet Christmas Carol, of course, something may seem to be missing. It may be sad, though joyful with the return of the Muppets to the big screen.

I'm anxiously looking forward to what may come, and a bit nervous. I do hope the film gets made, though. I can't wait for an official announcement!

[Barry Lee]

Wow 8 Years? I remember going to MFS when I was little (ahhh those were the days)

[unclematt]

8 years is a long time. I was merely a teenager.

[Super Scooter]

I was 12 when Muppets From Space came out, and saved my money to go see it... I never got to go, and my parents told me they'd buy it for me when it came on video. They did, of course, but I so badly wanted to see it in the theater.

I still remember when I first saw it. I thought it was the greatest thing! We bought on the way home from a nearby city (actually about an hour and a half away) at Tops. Fun-fun!

[unclematt]

Great story. I wish I would of been young enough to love it but I wasnt.

[muppetsforlife]

I remember when Muppets from Space came out too. I was on vacation and we were staying at a resort. No one wanted to go see it with me cause they wanted to do things we couldn't do back at home. But I persisted and they gave in and went with. I loved it, and so did they. :)

[unclematt]

Moral of the story: Never give up on the Muppets

[muppet baby]

Wow 8 years that is so strange to think that since MFS came out i was just in the last year of high school . I loved it so much and still do love, i saw it in the theatere durning the week of high school finals and to relive stress and it worked .
i was so glad to have my faverite muppets all there in the theatre during that time .
THE MUPPETS RULE AND ALWAYS WILL even when i am 100 years old he he he .
i hope that the new one will be out soon . One of the best besides muppet from space is MTM he he he . Piggy and her puffy hair just love that so funny and with miss Jone rivers in a department store putting on make up .

Any muppet movie will be great , i can't wait for it .:) :mad:

[heralde]

I'm glad other people liked MFS, honestly. I wish I felt the same way, but my first time seeing it was painful and embarrassing. My personal moral is, I don't have to enjoy everything the Muppets put out, it doesn't make me any less of a fan. :)

[unclematt]

Couldnt have said it better myself

[Ilikemuppets]

Whatever it's about, I just hope that Frank Oz Directs it!

[muppet baby]

Yes that is really what i hope I love the way that frank Oz works Oh yes i hope that he directs the next one .:) :concern:

[unclematt]

I highly doubt Frank Oz would be involved

[muppet baby]

You are probably right , but having hope never hurts :)

[SarahOnBway]

Actually it's funny you mentioned that you hoped Frank Oz would direct the Muppets again, not because it will happen (I seriously doubt that), but because the last time I watched MTM (oh, 2 weeks ago?) I noticed for the first time the drastically different humor and direction in that movie as compared to TMM or GMC, or the more current movies. For the first time in a Muppet movie there's not a lot of music softening the cuts... for example, think of the first scene in Pete's diner, when Kermit meets Jenny. It goes something like this: "My name's Kermit." "Hi Kermit, I'm Jenny." Cut to Kermit, close up: "I'm a frog." Hard cut to Miss Piggy watching Kermit and Jenny. Now IDK if it's because I majored in drama and my roommate's a film major that I notice little things like that, but it really different than previous Muppet humor ("Drinks on the house!" "What color are their hands now?").

TMM was always my favorite Muppet Movie, but I've found that for many people it's MTM, and when I was little that was my fav as well. It's just funny to see that now that I've, you know, kind of figured out for myself how the humor in MTM is different.

Watch it again (not like it's a chore) and let me know if you see what I mean!

[unclematt]

I think it would take an awful lot for him to come back. And if he does come back to Direct he would have to do Piggy and Fozzie and then whats Eric going to do. The more Eric works the better he is going to get. It might almost be detremental for Frank to come back.

[muppet baby]

I think it would take an awful lot for him to come back. And if he does come back to Direct he would have to do Piggy and Fozzie and then whats Eric going to do. The more Eric works the better he is going to get. It might almost be detremental for Frank to come back.

Good point about eric.
:) :mad: What you said is very true he does a wonderful job with miss piggy .

[Ilikemuppets]

I know in 1999 Trank OZ has mentioned that he would like to direct the next Muppt movie.

[muppet baby]

that is a interesting thought about tank oz we shall see who ever it is i can't wait The muppets will always rock :) :mad:

[Ilikemuppets]

I think Frank will show up for a movie. But Of coures Eric can work if frank does his characters. The Muppteers do all kinds of things on a movie.

[unclematt]

I think Frank will show up for a movie. But Of coures Eric can work if frank does his characters. The Muppteers do all kinds of things on a movie.
I know Eric would still work but I thinkthat it is important that these are now Eric's characters. I dont think the Muppets should keep being passed back and forth.

[SarahOnBway]

I know Eric would still work but I thinkthat it is important that these are now Eric's characters. I dont think the Muppets should keep being passed back and forth.

I agree. Once there's that transition to a new performer it takes some getting used to but eventually the audience is going to recognize the new performer's version of the character. It would be confusing to the audience if the performer keeps switching. Think of how we feel now when we watch the early episodes of TMS and Piggy's voice switches from Frank to Richard within the same episode at times. It's very odd and it pulls you out of it for a second. I find it odd that Frank sometimes comes back to Sesame Street even though Eric's taken over his roles.

I also think that Eric is doing a really great job. In the few things he's done since he took over for Piggy and Fozzie in 2001 his improvement has been vast. His Piggy is terrific and his Fozzie is stronger with every appearance. He did an excellent job on Red & Green Christmas. Of all the recent Muppet replacements, Eric has the fullest of my confidences (...is that grammatically correct?). I'm much more concerned about Jerry Nelson's replacements. I like John Kennedy but Jerry has such a distinctive voice that I don't think anyone will be able to fully replace him. John's song on Red & Green Christmas was good, but it wasn't Floyd for me. (And this might be anarchy on this Barretta-lovin' forum, but Bill Barretta isn't Dr. Teeth or Rowlf to me either.) But Eric? I definitely heart him.

[Ilikemuppets]

Well Frank never officially quit Sesame Street. They just wanted Eric so they use those characters more often. Like Caroll said, He doesn't want anybody taking over his Characters and I do noe believe tht I've seen Matt paly him One time last season.

And it like Frank says, It's not about the voice, it's all about the character.

[SarahOnBway]

My roommate worked for Sesame earlier this year and she said that a lot of the time Matt would perform Big Bird and Caroll would dub the voice in later on. Matt used to do all of the Journey to Ernie segments, but that was cut this season, so I don't know how often his voice is heard, but I'm sure he's been "seen" quite a bit.

And I totally agree that it's all about the character but... if a new person is introduced on a recording... it's all about the voice. Because that's all ya got.

[Ilikemuppets]

Well, it is important to remember that you also have to stay in character while your recording. But I could see that If your only singing, though.

Okay, I did not know that. But I can tell you with one hundred persent asurency the I did not here Matt's voice one single time, But I did miss one episode and I'm not sure if Big Bird is in that one or not.

[SarahOnBway]

I think Steve once said (and it could even be in his MC interview, come to think of it) that he was most nervous when he had to record the songs for MCC because he wasn't acting through the puppet, which is where he gets the character from. So I'm sure it's incredibly hard to have that kind of pressure on a performer. I'll reserve my full judgement until after I see a full performance.

Did Caroll Spinney really say that he didn't want anyone taking over his characters?

[Ilikemuppets]

Yes, Caroll did say that he didn't want anybody else playing his Characters. But he did also mention that he wanted to do Sesame Street until at least seson forty. But if he feel he can still hold that head up, he may go as lond as he physcally can do it. I wish I could find the inteview as it was posted on this site.

I imagian that it must hvae been very hard for steve to fill Jim's shoe's of all things.

[muppet baby]

That is interesting sesma street is so great i love that show and i loved it as a child .
a true classic i hope that it goes for another 30 years .

as far as teaching children and quality enternament they do not get much better than that .
THE BEST :)

[Telly]

I was 20! I went to it by myself on opening day. I think I walked to the theater cuz it was a nice day. Back then the Muppets were a guilty pleasure of mine. I was in the "They're too kidish for me." stage! Now one of the first things people know about me is my love for the Muppets.
As for the movie. I didn't dig it at first. I liked it, but it was missing something. I missed the original songs. I missed Camilla. I had NO idea who Pepe was cuz I didn't remember much about Muppets Tonight. At the time I liked it better than Treasure Island and Christmas Carol just cuz they were playing themselves. I missed that. NOW-A-DAYS I love it! I appreciate it a lot more. I think they appeal to more the "college aged" kids instead of the littler ones just for nostalgia. I've gotten the majority of my friends into the Muppets.

[unclematt]

How could you not be into the Muppets

[muppet baby]

hey telly yes that is true i agree with you about the fact that they where trying to appel to the college age kids for mfs.
i loved it the frist time that i saw and and more and more each time that do see it .
i am so glad that you love the muppets as much as me :)

[muppet baby]

How could you not be into the Muppets

Yes unclematt i really agree with that also , so true on that

THE MUPPETS ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[unclematt]

Muppet Baby I have a feeling that we are made for each other

[somethingofafan]

Think of how we feel now when we watch the early episodes of TMS and Piggy's voice switches from Frank to Richard within the same episode at times.

True, but that was before the character's voice had solidified; they were performing in different octaves. Jacobson's Piggy voice is much closer to Oz's.

[muppet baby]

Muppet Baby I have a feeling that we are made for each other

I agree on that also uncematt We are for sure made for each other

Muppet Baby
(Michelle )
:)

[Speed Tracer]

Going back to who should direct the next Muppet movie... I would think Bill would be a good choice. I liked Kirk's work on VMC and MOZ but very much of it seemed scattershot and jumbled. I'd really like to see what Bill can do behind the camera.

Also, SarahOnBway, I totally agree with you about Eric. But concerning John and Bill... they haven't had nearly as much experience with other characters as Eric has had with Frank's. I think that after a while they'll be just as good as he is with other characters.

[Ilikemuppets]

Well, John and bill might have been doing thoes characters for a long time now. Just not in the public or in on in specials.

But I agree that they should let bill step up and direct the nexy movie.

[muppet baby]

Well, John and bill might have been doing thoes characters for a long time now. Just not in the public or in on in specials.

But I agree that they should let bill step up and direct the nexy movie.

Yes Bill sould step up that would be great let's hope that he will step up :)

[unclematt]

I do have gret confidence in Bill

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

I was in the "They're too kidish for me." stage!.

I'm sooo lucky have NOT gone though that stage... EVER! with Disney & Muppets and im 21... i'll be 22 on Feb 24... so a few days :smirk:

[dwayne1115]

i really din't go through the muppet are to kidish i just was upset they kept doing the muppets when Jim had dide i was still young then but thought they should have let them be. Now im older and see that to let the muppets die when Jim did was wrong of me.

[Speed Tracer]

Even though I'm sixteen, I sometimes feel like I'm getting too old, and all I have to do is watch The Muppet Movie again, and... poof. I'm a kid again.

[muppet baby]

Even though I'm sixteen, I sometimes feel like I'm getting too old, and all I have to do is watch The Muppet Movie again, and... poof. I'm a kid again.

That is so true for me to speed tracer and i am 26 i feel that way about great muppet caper .
that was my faverite muppet movie when i was a little kid .

[Ilikemuppets]

I have never looked donw at the Muppets as childish fare. And I have never stopped watching Sesame Street at any point in my life, either, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

[unclematt]

I never went through that stage either. I just wanted something that I loved that I couyld claim as my own and I found the Muppets and then I found all of you.

[Speed Tracer]

I never went through that stage either. I just wanted something that I loved that I couyld claim as my own and I found the Muppets and then I found all of you.

Group hug?

[unclematt]

Big Group Hug

[Speed Tracer]

Everyone join in!

[muppet baby]

Big Group Hug

Cool group hug he he :) that is so cool i love sesame street i am going to start taping it again .
The muppets will always rock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;) :mad:

[Teheheman]

*HUGGITY*

Daniel

[unclematt]

Special hugs to Muppet Baby... She knows why

[muppet baby]

Special hugs to Muppet Baby... She knows why

Thanks uncle matt special hugs to uncle matt speical hugs to him he knows why

[Teheheman]

Ooooooooo..........do I smell ANOTHER MC romance? If so, may you be more discreet about it than the "other" people here ;-)

Daniel

[muppet baby]

Ooooooooo..........do I smell ANOTHER MC romance? If so, may you be more discreet about it than the "other" people here ;-)

Daniel

HA HA HA :)

[Ilikemuppets]

Yeah...um, ha-ha-ha:rolleyes:

[unclematt]

You never know there might be another MC romance in the making

[muppet baby]

You never know there might be another MC romance in the making you never know he he he he :)

[unclematt]

:halo: :flirt:

[muppet baby]

:flirt: :halo:

[unclematt]

your gonna make me blush but we should stop and get this forum back on track. So what do we know about the next Muppet movie?

[muppet baby]

your gonna make me blush but we should stop and get this forum back on track. So what do we know about the next Muppet movie?

I would love to something but no one seems to know much he he he they should make anther one i would love to see them maybe make another story they did so good with the wizard of oz.:)

[unclematt]

I was also not that dissapointed in MWoO. Did I think it could have been better? Of Course but I was so happy to see a new Muppet anything that it could have skewed my perception

[muppet baby]

I was also not that dissapointed in MWoO. Did I think it could have been better? Of Course but I was so happy to see a new Muppet anything that it could have skewed my perception

Well yes i will admit that it could have been done better and there are a few things that i would change , but i was still "good " but not "great" .

Oh well there was bound to be be one like that in the bunch of muppet movies the greatest series of cartoon charetors in the world love them they rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) :mad: :concern: