It's Official: Henson's Fraggle Rock Movie

[crazed gonzo fa]

How about some blood and gore?

[Beauregard]

Epic Fraggle battle, anyone?
The epic Fraggle/Frackle Battle started near a beatle bottle on a noodle eating poodle in a puddle, and since the Fraggle/Frackle battle rattled nearby beatles, the beatles with their bottles battled and beat the Fraggles with a beatle bootcamp cannon, while the nodle eating poodle in the puddle grabbed a purple paddle. With the purple paddle the poodle beat the Frackles and the frightened, fearless Fraggles huddled, blooded, in the muddle of the puddle while the noodle eating poodle threw a hurdle through a Frackle eating myrtle in a girdle while sitting on a turtle.

I have no idea what that was about, but it kept me ammused for five minutes.

EDIT: I forgot the cattle in the Fraggle/Frackle battle.

[Dil]

NO!!! THE FILM WILL NOT HAVE BLOOD AND GORE!!! YOU'RE CRAZY!!!! ARE YOU DRUNK?? OF COURSE IT'LL BE THE SAME RATING AS IN THE TV SERIES OF FRAGGLE ROCK!!!

The Fraggle Five will explore around Outer Space for 30 minutes, until then they get surprised by the Frackle Five.

GOBO: "Yikes! Don't startle us like that."

GLOBO: "We don't care, we love to startle those creatures, we couldn't stand, like YOU!"

(Frackles laugh.)

GOBO: "Can't you see, we're on an adventure in Outer Space."

GLOBO: "You mean way up there?"

GOBO: "No, right here."

BOOMBLEY: "Nonsense, this place isn't outer space."

GLOBO: "Yeah, he's crazy."

(Frackles laugh.)

GOBO: "Grr, OK! Listen, I am NOT crazy! My name is Gobo Fraggle, here with Mokey, Boober,"

BOOBER: "Hi!"

GOBO: "Wembley, and Red."

NOKEY: "Arr Ha har! These are the craziest creature."

GLOBO: "Yeah, man, we are called Frackles, are we, the monsters with beer guts. Yeah-he-heh!"

WEMBLEY: "Frackles??"

BOOBER: "Watch out! These guys can be DANGEROUS!!"

GLOBO: "Har Har! I'm that good ol' Globo Frackle, here w' my buds, Nokey, Doober,"

DOOBER: "Yeah!"

GLOBO: "Boombley, and Dred. Take it!"

(Hard rock song plays in E minor, the Frackle sing it.)
(And after the song...)
DRED: "Y'wanna fight, eh? Huh? HUh? HUH??"

RED: "We're not gonna play your games, you're just too tough! If I were stronger, I'll beat you up and call the silly creatures to rustle you! Harumph!!"

GLOBO: "You have no choice!"

(Frackles laugh.)

GOBO: "What are we gonna do?"

MOKEY: "I don't know."

GLOBO: "Alllrightie, 'Natzi's, we're gonna find a golden ring somewhere around this place. If you found it first, the fraggles keep Fraggle Rock, but if WE found it first, US frackles will take Fraggle Rock as FRACKLE Rock, and you won't stop us, foolish varmints. See ya!"

(Frackles laugh.)

BOOBER: "It's gonna be tough, we'll lose the cave, I know it! Know it! Know it!!"

GOBO: "Don't worry, Boober, we'll look for that ring before they do."

RED: "I hate these guys..."

GOBO: "OK, a ring looks like this... (draws a ring) according to Uncle Travelling Matt, a ring looks like this."

(Later, they'll meet Uncle Matt during their adventure.)

[Beauregard]

Me: *stares*

[Faylo]

(Hard rock song plays in E minor, the Frackle sing it.)


...*stares along with Beau*

[theprawncracker]

Uh... Well... Um... Yeah, ditto to what Beau and Faylo said.

[Barry Lee]

Ditto everyone who dittoed before me. Ditto.

I think Dil's drunk though.... verrry drunk....

[BEAR]

*Blink...stare...blink...stare...stare...blink*

[Barry Lee]

Fraggles usually dont hate people, they are about peace, not hating. This is not in character once so ever. :attitude:

In the words of Fozzie Bear from TMM:

"We picked up a wierdo"

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

i thought THIS Dil goof was gonna get band from MC???!!! :confused: :grouchy:

[BEAR]

i thought THIS Dil goof was gonna get band from MC???!!! :confused: :grouchy:

Get a band? Perfect! Then maybe he'll be too busy to hang around MC.

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

lol maybe bear! .... IF we get lucky. :p

[Luke]

NO!!! THE FILM WILL NOT HAVE BLOOD AND GORE!!! YOU'RE CRAZY!!!! ARE YOU DRUNK?? OF COURSE IT'LL BE THE SAME RATING AS IN THE TV SERIES OF FRAGGLE ROCK!!!.

As long as we can still have Eminem, 50 Cent and Snoop Doggy Dog doing the theme tune with Kelly Clarkson on the triangle i don't care what you do with it Mr Henson. So how will you be trailing this at the Theater, before My Little Pony The Movie or Blair Witch 5?

[Dil]

I said FRACKLES, (you know these mosnters from The Great Santa Claus Switch) Not Fraggles. This WILL have peace, but until they get it back, it's the Frackles on Fraggle Rock.

I'm so sorry about my idea. Just don't disgust me. I'm REALLY sorry.

[Dil]

Hey, here's something that'll make you feel better,
let's just get used to what the movie would REALLY happen, it's going to be how it is, so you can just forget about your annoying response to my ideas, and I don't wanna be banned.

[Beauregard]

Hey, here's something that'll make you feel better,
let's just get used to what the movie would REALLY happen, it's going to be how it is, so you can just forget about your annoying response to my ideas, and I don't wanna be banned.

Aww, Dil. I'm sorry. We were harsh. I know I was, at least. But there's no reason why you would be banned. You are entitled to your ideas, and your excitment. I think what happens is that on occasion, members have an idea and rather than shareing it and letting go, they try to repeat the idea over and over...and eventually some of us get mad. I'm sorry.

I'm sure, though, that you have a lot of great ideas in your head, and shareing them is fun, it's just when they are pushed on other people too much that it gets annoying.

I am sorry I was harsh.

Beau

[Luke]

I was only teasing, my love to you, and all the little Henson's!

[Super Scooter]

I was only teasing, my love to you, and all the little Henson's!
... Nice. ;)

Yeah, we all like to tease around here, in case you didn't notice by now. :D However, I'm sure no one has ever meant for it to be real offensive.

[Luke]

However, I'm sure no one has ever meant for it to be real offensive.

.... but it did come close after they released Muppet Wizard Of Oz! :o

[crazed gonzo fa]

NO!!! THE FILM WILL NOT HAVE BLOOD AND GORE!!! YOU'RE CRAZY!!!! ARE YOU DRUNK?? OF COURSE IT'LL BE THE SAME RATING AS IN THE TV SERIES OF FRAGGLE ROCK!!!

Of course I'm not expecting it to have blood and gore! I was just making a goofy reply to the "epic fraggle battles" post:crazy:. Sorry about teasing you.

[Faylo]

Haha, we're only kidding around, Dil. No way would I expect the fraggles to duke it out, it's just not them. :P

[unclematt]

Dil, you have to take alot of what we say with a grain of salt

[ffolke]

I wonder if it'll be good.

[crazed gonzo fa]

I hope so, though I think it will be.

[unclematt]

If they mess up the fraggles I will be severly dissapointed.

[BooberKnowsBest]

I'm kinda worried about it (though it will probably be wonderful). As long as they get all (or at least very nearly all) the original people, i'm pretty sure it will be great. I really hope they get the same people to do the music.

[crazed gonzo fa]

If they mess up the fraggles I will be severly dissapointed.You'd probably not be alone.

[heralde]

Even though I'm not really a fan of "modern" Muppet stuff, my first instinct is to be optimistic about this. I don't know why, maybe I feel like I need to be, you know?

And if it is a disapointment, well then we'll just work harder to make sure the original Fraggles survive. :)

[TimeMachine]

Even though I'm not really a fan of "modern" Muppet stuff, my first instinct is to be optimistic about this. I don't know why, maybe I feel like I need to be, you know?

And if it is a disapointment, well then we'll just work harder to make sure the original Fraggles survive. :)

It's weird; I feel the same way. And I tend to be more on the cynical side, especially when it comes to resurrecting old characters for anything new.

But some part of me feels good about this project. I felt good the first time I read about it. Maybe that's a good sign?

((or maybe we're just going to be that much more disappointed by the final product...))

I am really protective of this, though. The Fraggles were a such a pure and genuine creation, and they represented so much. It would be a shame to see that distorted and the meaning to be lost. I want to new generation to feel the real magic of the Fraggles.

[crazed gonzo fa]

Nicely said, and welcome to the forums TimeMachine!

[heralde]

I am really protective of this, though. The Fraggles were a such a pure and genuine creation, and they represented so much. It would be a shame to see that distorted and the meaning to be lost. I want to new generation to feel the real magic of the Fraggles.

Yes well said, and I totally understand. I felt the same way after seeing Muppets From Space. It did feel like everything had been distorted and lost (in my opinion). It was painful.

If the same is done to a Fraggle film, that will be a big disapointment. Though again, hopefully it will encourage them to release the rest of the DVDs where the real magic is. :)

And anyway, we know next to nothing about it yet, so I'll still hope.

[TimeMachine]

Nicely said, and welcome to the forums TimeMachine!
Yes well said, and I totally understand.

Wow. I've found my own kind! I am no longer alone in this universe.

Does anyone else hope it will result in not only the release of remaining seasons on DVD, but also all the documentaries and making-of's (And maybe the specials)? I would love a super delux "Making of/Specials/TV Spots" DVD. If that's the only good that came from the movie, it might (almost, not quite) be worth it.

[heralde]

Well, if the movie is bad, I'll just walk out of the theater (if I get to see it in a theater) and forget it ever happened. It's like in those zombie movies. It's not really your friend, it's a zombie, lol.

[Beauregard]

Well, if the movie is bad, I'll just walk out of the theater (if I get to see it in a theater) and forget it ever happened. It's like in those zombie movies. It's not really your friend, it's a zombie, lol.
Zombie Fraggles? "Gorg of the Dead." Hmm, catchy title. "The Day of the Fraggle." "Zombie Fraggles in the Snow." "Quick, Run Away, There is a Zombie Fraggle in Your Room!"

That last one isn't so catchy as the others...

[heralde]

Zombie Fraggles? "Gorg of the Dead." Hmm, catchy title. "The Day of the Fraggle." "Zombie Fraggles in the Snow." "Quick, Run Away, There is a Zombie Fraggle in Your Room!"

That last one isn't so catchy as the others...

Lol, I liked "Gorg of the Dead!" Indeed, very catchy. And "Zombie Fraggles in the Snow" makes me laugh for some reason, lol.

I kinda like the last one too, I'd personally put it as "There's a Zombie Fraggle in My Room!" It sounds like one of those grammar school books. But either one is fine. :excited:

[Meepsterboy]

Game tie-in for Zombie Fraggles- "Zombie Fraggles ate my Neighbors."

[Beauregard]

And multiple spin-off straight-to-video movies..."Dude, where's my Zombie Fraggle?" "Zombie Fraggles Take Manhattan." "Zombie Fraggles Have a Glitch."

[MrsPepper]

"Zombie Fraggles Do America". "Attack of the Killer Zombie Fraggles". "Honey I shrunk the Zombie Fraggles!"

[The Count]

Yes... And don't forget, coming to a theater near you...
Zombie Fraggle Island.
Zombie Fraggles on Laguna Beach.
The Day the Zombie Fraggles Took Over.
Zombie Fraggle High Noon.
One Flew Over the Zombie Fraggle's Rock.
Attack of the Killer Zombie Fraggles 2.
And our biggest blockbuster... Zombie Fraggles in Outer Outer Space.

[crazed gonzo fa]

I Married a Zombie Fraggle
Teenage Zombie Fraggle
To Kill a Zombie Fraggle
Also on Tv...
Baby Zombie Fraggles
Zombie Fraggles in the 25th Century

[heralde]

Oh my gosh, what have I started??!!

(Hey! I started something! Yay!!!)

[Beauregard]

"I Started the Zombie Fraggles."

"Zombie Fraggle Galactica"

"Indiana Zombie Fraggle."

And, who could forget, "Zombie Fraggles' Christmas Carol"?

[crazed gonzo fa]

Songs...
The Night Fraggle Rock Died
Carry on My Zombie Fraggle
Uptown Zombie Fraggle Girl

[Faylo]

Legally Zombie Fraggle. :P

Back on topic a bit, I was thinking last night that Around The Universe would be a good song to put back in the movie. What do you think?

[Morgan Clueless]

Back on topic a bit, I was thinking last night that Around The Universe would be a good song to put back in the movie. What do you think?

I think that's a great idea! :sing: The song is very catchy, and it deserves to be somewhere in the movie--even if it's just the credits. (Then it'd make the credits interesting, LOL. :p )

~ Morgan "All Around the World..." Goat

PS: "Zombie Fraggles' Wizard of Oz"--living up to the Muppet version's name, or much, much better?

[unclematt]

You guys forgot Scoob-Doo on Zombie Fraggle Island

[heralde]

My personal favorites:

The Wrath of the Zombie Fraggles
40-year-old Zombie Fraggles
The Zombie Fraggles' Excellent Adventure

[Beauregard]

I think that's a great idea! :sing: The song is very catchy, and it deserves to be somewhere in the movie--even if it's just the credits. (Then it'd make the credits interesting, LOL. :p )

I was thinking, "Credits" when I heard that suggestion. So, yeah, if not in the movie DEFINATLY in the credits.

[crazed gonzo fa]

Zombie Fraggle's Jug-Band Christmas
Zombie Fraggles of the Lost Nebula
The Zombie Fraggle Hour
Zombie Fraggle City

[DTWolf]

This is the WEIRDEST thread.

I decided to review what's been added here since the last time I checked this thread (round about page 7). Yeep.

Anyway, an idea struck me that many of you will probably find too sad and/or heretical to even contemplate. Given Doc's age (assuming the character has aged along with the actor), could it be that what propels the Fraggle Five into outer space is that Doc has retired and moved away and someone else is either remodeling the house or (yikes) tearing it down? Maybe their mission/adventure would be to prevent the house from being torn down.

On the other hand--given that different countries had different Docs and houses/lighthouses, they could avoid the issue altogether by having a new entrance into outer space suddenly open up elsewhere. The Fraggles would explore (though why the non-Gobo members of the Fraggle Five would go isn't so obvious) and soon meet up with Traveling Matt. You could even play with the idea that they don't realize it's the same outer space until they find Matt. Then whatever adventure they're going to have could start.

[unclematt]

I believe it was a tool shed but great idea. Even then I would like to see a cameo by Doc

[crazed gonzo fa]

That's an interesting thought DTWolf.

[evilhopscotch]

This is the WEIRDEST thread.

I decided to review what's been added here since the last time I checked this thread (round about page 7). Yeep.

Anyway, an idea struck me that many of you will probably find too sad and/or heretical to even contemplate. Given Doc's age (assuming the character has aged along with the actor), could it be that what propels the Fraggle Five into outer space is that Doc has retired and moved away and someone else is either remodeling the house or (yikes) tearing it down? Maybe their mission/adventure would be to prevent the house from being torn down.

YES!!! that is a FANTASTIC idea!! Best one in the whole thread, and believe me, I know. I read all of Dil's posts ;)

I may be a lowly n00b, but Fraggles are a big part of my history of the muppets themselves. I really want it to do good. I am skeptical as all get out, so judgement is held till the first pictures come out. If Jerry isn't doing Gobo's voice, then I'm not going. Simple as that. I dont care if you can do the best Gobo impression ever, if Jer isn't on board than I'm not coughing up ten bucks to see it. I will not hesitate to call it a piece of crap once I see it, but my faith in the muppets still holds on tight. It wavered for a bit during the Very Muppet Christmas Special, but I ultimately decided that it was ok (Muppet Wizard of Oz was saved only by Miss Piggy doing a hard rock song. I found that freaking hilarious).

ANYWAY, I've been thinking a lot about the ins and outs of the specific plot and what could be done in outer space. The possibilities are ENDLESS. But I am expecting the Fab Five to get seperated at least ONCE by the middle of the movie. And that's when you can expect the gut-wrenching Fraggle-style drama song that the show was so famous for (I'm talking about "Afraid of Fear", "Petals on the rose", and "once upon a time I knew my name"-type songs. You know the ones). Nice little punch to the gut. Oh, and I predict that Boober will have not one, but three full out panic attacks upon entering outer space.

Now, as for why they go, the best I could come up with is that Uncle Matt goes off into outer space again, and for a while the postcards come. Til one day, they stop. Now, remember in the show that Matt gave Gobo explicit instructions that should the postcards ever cease, he was to venture out and find him. Maybe they could have something like that happen? though I REALLY like the idea of something being wrong with the toolshed and it being in danger of destruction. That's an awesome idea.

Any thoughts? :smirk:

[MuppetMarc]

Soooooooo...............any news?

[LadyVader]

when are we going to see some thing.

[The Count]

Uh... As good of an initial thought of the Fraggle Five exiting the rock because Doc's workshop is either being remodeled or in danger of being destroyed...
Don't forget that Doc moved to Arizona to live next to Ned Shimmelfinny, and the Fraggles found a new tunnel that would take them to Doc's new apartment out in the desert. So that might put a crimp in that plan... Or not.

[Kimp the Shrimp]

um i would love to see them in AZ and at the old shop

[anytimepally]

If Jerry isn't doing Gobo's voice, then I'm not going. Simple as that. I dont care if you can do the best Gobo impression ever, if Jer isn't on board than I'm not coughing up ten bucks to see it.

my thoughts exactly! :smirk:

[dontbee]

Wow!!! This week just couldn't get any better... First i discover this wonderful website, then I find out the Fraggles are coming to the big screen... Life is good!!!

[unclematt]

Do we know that Jerry is not going to do Gobo?

[crazed gonzo fa]

Welcome to the forums dontbee!

[Ilikemuppets]

I think Jerry will do Gobo, Matt. I really think he will.:excited:

[unclematt]

Is there a rumor that he wont?

[evilhopscotch]

Not really, it's just that he's basically retired and very old & sick. I'm worried about him, to be honest.

[Ilikemuppets]

No, not to my knowledge.

[unclematt]

Do we know for a fact that he is very sick?

[Ilikemuppets]

That's true. But I still thing he will play Gobo.

[unclematt]

I hope so

[Ilikemuppets]

Well, I think he will, because if there is one project all the Mupeteers would like to do again, it would be this one.

[unclematt]

good call

[Skye]

I'm totally with you guys, I really hope Jerry will do Gobo, too. That would be so great! I know he's not the only one who could do Gobo, but Jerry doing it just seems right.

[unclematt]

I am worried though. If he is sick and cant do it who could?

[anytimepally]

I don't even want to think about it, guys.. Jerry was the center of Fraggle Rock.. Gobo, Pa, Marjory.. and, in my opinion, the best singer of all the muppeteers.. I'd rather just assume he'll be there until we're told differently.. well, it makes me feel better, anyway :)

by the way, to help clear up the health questions a bit, Jerry posted this last August:

"I have COPD which is cronic obstructive pulmonary disease generally and emphysema specifically.I have had this for fifteen years or so but only in the last four years has it become problematic. Two years ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and went through radiation treatment sucessfully. This spring I was in the hospital with pneumonia and am still recovering from that. Complicated by the COPD, this recovery process takes some time. I am happy to say that as of this posting I do intend to work with my old friend Count Von Count again this next season."

so.. it sounds like he's slowly improving, right? :smirk:

[unclematt]

I would say that that definatly sounds like a good thing

[evilhopscotch]

WHEW!!! thanks a bunch for that anytimepally. I didn't know he did the count. Sounds like he is getting better. Here's hoping anyway, right? :)

[heralde]

Yeah I remember seeing that message. I hope Jerry's continuing to improve. And I hope he'll be able to work on the movie, even if it's just voice work (though I remember him saying he did not like just being a voice actor. Hehe). :sing:

[Kiki]

I really hope Jerry's doing Gobo's voice. Jerry's got such a unique vocal talents, a one of a kind voice. But I'll probely still see the FR film if he doesn't. I hope he's doing well, anyways. :)

[unclematt]

Worst case scenario, is there anybody else that can do Gobo

[Ilikemuppets]

I'd say sense he is still doing count and his sickness was not the complete or sole reason for him not doing the muppets anymore, I think he is doing this movie, people. No worries.

[unclematt]

I am just saying. Do we have anybody if we need them

[Ilikemuppets]

I think they are there for this film.

[unclematt]

Who would it be

[Ilikemuppets]

Well, everybody who worked on the original show.

[unclematt]

You think any of them can voice Gobo?

[Ilikemuppets]

I have know idea? But Jerry is doing it! Relax!:)

[unclematt]

thank you Gobo. Sometimes I need to be put in my place

[Ilikemuppets]

Well, I'm just saying. Not trying to place anyone or anything.

[Beauregard]

Any news? Any news? Some of us are hopping up and down on one leg out here...um...with excitment...and anticipation.

[wes]

I wonder when the trailers is comming out, I think it's going to be great!!

[Speed Tracer]

Don't forget that Doc moved to Arizona to live next to Ned Shimmelfinny

That reminds me... Does anyone else find it absolutely ludicrous that Doc would want to live next to boring ol' Shimmelfinny (who doesn't even have a face!) instead of the fun-loving Fraggles?

I haven't seen the episode, but still, the logic is lost on me.

[anytimepally]

That reminds me... Does anyone else find it absolutely ludicrous that Doc would want to live next to boring ol' Shimmelfinny (who doesn't even have a face!) instead of the fun-loving Fraggles?

I haven't seen the episode, but still, the logic is lost on me.

As I learned from The Muppet Musicians of Bremen, you gotta know your friends.. and sure, Doc would've liked to have stayed around the Fraggles and get to know them better and whatnot, but he and Ned Shimmelfinny had been friends for years (despite all their arguments), so when it came down to it, Doc went to AZ to help out his buddy.. which is more than most friends would do .. I think it says a lot about Doc's character that he's willing to just pack up and move like that :)

[heralde]

Right, he says seeing something so amazing as a Fraggle made him realize what was important in life. He had to support his friend. And in the end, he was rewarded for it of course, and got to stay with the Fraggles too.

[Speed Tracer]

Who was it that performed Robin in It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie? He could do it, perhaps... that is, worst case scenario, if Jerry can't.

[anytimepally]

Who was it that performed Robin in It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie? He could do it, perhaps... that is, worst case scenario, if Jerry can't.

according to the credits, Jerry did

[Speed Tracer]

Really? He sounds so different... oh well, guess that's what happens. He's still Robin!

Also, I was reading this page of the thread, and realized that I started talking about who played Robin out of the blue right after I had asked about Doc and Mr. Shimmelfinny. I'm sorry. Forgive me.

[anytimepally]

Really? He sounds so different... oh well, guess that's what happens. He's still Robin!


He does sound a little different, but you have to keep in mind that Jerry was having health problems at the time, which is why he dubbed his voices rather than doing on-set work.. so maybe illness (particularly considering he has emphysema) made his voice sound different :smirk: .. but this was probably his last performance as Robin anyway since he retired from the Muppet Show muppets shortly thereafter

[spcglider]

Like many productions across the board these days, they may make use of ADR and have a different puppeteer under Gobo for Jerry's health's sake (not to stress him out). But if he can sit in a recording studio, he can always provide the voice.

This is NOT the best scenario, but it's one possible answer.

-Gordon

[Luke]

It's a shame theres no news on this or any kinda deal announced yet, but still plenty of time. I woudn't think they would even approach this unless they have the majority of the original Fraggle puppeteers involved or at least their interest in doing it very high.

[unclematt]

I am starting to get worried about this project.

[Ilikemuppets]

It's going to happen, Matt. Everything is going to be okay!:)

[wes]

I am starting to get worried about this project.

Do worry, it takes soem time to write a script and coordiate all the fixn's for a movie! Summer of 2009 will be here before you know it.

[evilhopscotch]

2009, huh? shoot. I was hoping for 2008 at least. Ah well. I can wait.
After all, 2007 came way faster than I thought it would.

[unclematt]

I will be 29 in the summer of 2009. I hope its not here too fast

[evilhopscotch]

I just realized that you're in IL too, Unclematt!! WOW!!! did you hear that Chicago won the bid for the 2016 olympics? I went crazy!!

[Ilikemuppets]

I'm just really worried this could be Jerry's final project.:cry:

[anytimepally]

I'm just really worried this could be Jerry's final project.:cry:

he'll still have The Count von Count :)

[evilhopscotch]

he'll still have The Count von Count :)


I think Ilikemuppets meant, his last project before he goes to see Richard and Jim :cry:

But here's hoping that it's NOT. No need to mourn the guy BEFORE he's dead, right? and besides, Gobo's immortal :smirk:

[unclematt]

I just realized that you're in IL too, Unclematt!! WOW!!! did you hear that Chicago won the bid for the 2016 olympics? I went crazy!!

Super excited about Chicago representin the USA. Where abouts are you from?

[evilhopscotch]

Well, I'm from the south suburbs, but I'm living on State street right now. You?

[Ilikemuppets]

I think Ilikemuppets meant, his last project before he goes to see Richard and Jim :cry:

But here's hoping that it's NOT. No need to mourn the guy BEFORE he's dead, right? and besides, Gobo's immortal :smirk:

Yeah, sadly that is what I meant. If he films the movie and it's a couple of years before it comes out, theres no telling what might come about.

I sure hope hat you right, EH. And your right, there is no need to mourn yet. haha, yeah I like that. Gobo is immortal!:)

[cherrypotion27]

So, a Fraggle Rock movie is definite? Yippee! (jumps up and down like an excited Fraggle). Can't wait to see it, and to see my fav Fraggle, Boober, in action on the big screen. Wonder what will happen to him in the movie? And I sincerely hope they don't get the writers for such Disney-made Muppet movies as "Muppets Treaure Island" and "Muppets from Space" working on the film (the Disney-made Muppet movies, so far, have been horrible as far as I'm concerned, and just show that the folks at Disney know diddly about the Muppet characters).

[Beauregard]

Hey, don't sweat it. Disney has nothing to do with this movie, it's the Jim Henson Company. Disney itself only owns the Muppets.

However, you should know that Muppet's From Space wasn't realised by Disney. Nice as it would be to lay the blame of that *shiver* movie on Disney, it lies all over the place with a myriad of people who knew diddly squat about the Muppets.

Muppet Treasure Island, however, is my favorite Muppet movie. I'll just not mention that right at this moment though.

Neat to hear that Boober is your favorite character! Oh, and welcome to MC.

[crazed gonzo fa]

Welcome to the forums cherrypotion27!

[cherrypotion27]

Hey, don't sweat it. Disney has nothing to do with this movie, it's the Jim Henson Company. Disney itself only owns the Muppets.

However, you should know that Muppet's From Space wasn't realised by Disney. Nice as it would be to lay the blame of that *shiver* movie on Disney, it lies all over the place with a myriad of people who knew diddly squat about the Muppets.

Muppet Treasure Island, however, is my favorite Muppet movie. I'll just not mention that right at this moment though.

Neat to hear that Boober is your favorite character! Oh, and welcome to MC.

Phew! Thats a relief to know (that the Fraggle Rock movie won't be produced by Disney). I hate to say it, but I just don't like the Disney-made Muppet movies, mostly because of the personality changes some Muppets went through, like Fozzie Bear going from a comedian to a moron (especially in "Muppets Treasure Island" and "Muppets from Space"), for example. Or Kermit going from mild-mannered to slamming Miss Piggy right to her face. The Kermit I grew up on would never have dared call Miss Piggy "fatso" (like he reportedly does on Muppet Vision 3D) for fear of her karate-chopping him. I also don't like the fact that we hardly ever see Scooter anymore just because Richard Hunt (Scooter's original actor) died of AIDS. My statement to those who would rather forget Richard and his work just because he had AIDS is, "so what?" Banish him and his great work just because he had a stigmatized illness many people even today are still ignorant about? Yeah, whatever (rolls eyes) :boo:

[heralde]

Yeah, we can't blame Disney for MFS. But I do really dislike seeing how mean Kermit is to Piggy lately. I don't want to say things could never get better with future projects. You never know what can happen. But ::shrugs:: I just don't know. I hope the Fraggle movie will work out. That's all we can do. :)

[Beauregard]

I also don't like the fact that we hardly ever see Scooter anymore just because Richard Hunt (Scooter's original actor) died of AIDS.

I agree that Scooter's disappearance was a sad, sad occurrence, but I don't think that had anything to do with the circumstances of Hunt's death. It was just because the didn't recast him, either out of respect for Richard, or because it just wouldn't work. Similar to Rowlf who slipped silently away after Jim. I don't think anyone held Richard's illness against Scooter...I've never heard anyone mention that as a logical reason for Scooter's absence.

I agree that Fozzie was bearly (bear, yes) recognizable in MCC and MTI, though he was back to his innocence and big-heartedness in Very Merry Muppet Christmas. It was so good to see him back.

[Speed Tracer]

The Kermit I grew up on would never have dared call Miss Piggy "fatso" (like he reportedly does on Muppet Vision 3D) for fear of her karate-chopping him.

Muppet*Vision 3D was directed by Jim Henson, and at that point, the Muppets weren't officially owned by Disney, so you could blame the "fatso" remark on Jim and Bill Prady, the writer.

[Luke]

I also don't like the fact that we hardly ever see Scooter anymore just because Richard Hunt (Scooter's original actor) died of AIDS. My statement to those who would rather forget Richard and his work just because he had AIDS is, "so what?" Banish him and his great work just because he had a stigmatized illness many people even today are still ignorant about? Yeah, whatever (rolls eyes) :boo:

As Beau says, that had nothing to do with it. Scooter would probably have been rested out of respect for Richard - he was so highly regarded at JHC, i expect they felt nobody could fill his shoes - and even when people do take over the characters it's never quite the same. Many of Jim's characters were also rested after his death - it just wasn't really possible for them to rest Kermit being the central character. Overall the reaction to Richard's work from fans and well, just about anyone has always been massively positive. I realise there are people with Aids who do get treated badly and your sentiments are great, but we kinda have to be careful discussing sensitive issues here as the peoples families are often reading. Oh and welcome to MC, being a Dr Bunz voter i know you've got taste!

[cherrypotion27]

No, I didn't assume. Someone else on MC (I can't remember who, but their article included a pic of Scooter wearing a T shirt that says "My uncle owns the theatre") posted a tribute to Richard Hunt and maybe I misunderstood them, but it sounded like this person was attributing Scooter's disappearance to Richard Hunt's illness. Thats where I got my info from, this person's Richard Hunt tribute.

Patricia/cherrypotion27

[heralde]

Yeah I know which tribute you mean. That was one person's opinion, not everyone agrees with it. But, no worries. :)

[Luke]

I hadn't read that, but i don't think there's any truth to it. Various Henson people over time who've posted on here and given interviews have talked about how close all the folk at JHC were with Richard over the time of his illness.

[Kar Ma]

Wahooo! Yippeee! Oh yeaaah! Lots of joyous yelling and screaming! Wahooo! This great news has made my day. Fabulosaaa!

[Beauregard]

Wahooo! Yippeee! Oh yeaaah! Lots of joyous yelling and screaming! Wahooo! This great news has made my day. Fabulosaaa!
*grins!*

Wow! I love your enthusiasm! You just made my day!

[Super Scooter]

And I sincerely hope they don't get the writers for such Disney-made Muppet movies as "Muppets Treaure Island" and "Muppets from Space" working on the film (the Disney-made Muppet movies, so far, have been horrible as far as I'm concerned, and just show that the folks at Disney know diddly about the Muppet characters).

Er, perhaps now wouldn't be the best time to point out that the head writer of Fraggle Rock wrote Muppet Treasure Island. :) It's actually one of my favorites, but yes, the Fraggle Rock movie should be awesome. :flirt:

[annalee]

Wow fraggle rock movie when is it out? Or can you already buy it?

[heralde]

It's still in the conceptual stages. Hopefully we'll hear more at some point (and hopefully it will be good!) :)

[annalee]

It's still in the conceptual stages. Hopefully we'll hear more at some point (and hopefully it will be good!) :)
I'll keep watching this space for news of it thanx heralde:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[unclematt]

I have been gone for a while. Have we heard anything new on this?

[crazed gonzo fa]

Nope.

[SSLFan]

Who will play Gobo if Jerry Nelson decides to retire?(hopefully this never happens:smirk: ).

[Beauregard]

Who will play Gobo if Jerry Nelson decides to retire?(hopefully this never happens:smirk: ).
This keeps coming up...we don't know, we won't know. Hopefully Jerry will play Gobo. Other than that, we don't know...Maybe Robin could play Gobo?

Wait...um?

[RKUNKLER]

There is more info on the film. According to HIT Entertainment the yet untitled Fraggle Rock film that will for the first time take Gobo, Wembley, Mokey, Boober and Red on an adventure outside of Fraggle Rock where they will interact with the silly creatures in "outer space" (also known as humans). The treatment is being written by author Ahmet Zappa (The Monstrous Memoirs of a Mighty McFearless) who will also executive produce the project with Brian Henson and Jason Lust. Lisa Henson will produce. its as seen on http://www.hitnewsonline.com/releases/detail/fr_licensing_show_2007/

[Beauregard]

*hype hype hype*

Any more news? I'm still excited and holding out for this movie. It's a show that most adults can remember watching, and loving, as children and it will also be one of the first big-release, childrens Puppet movies in a long while (I think?). How will it compete with CGI? We'll have to wait and see.

[Luke]

I guess they're still looking for a distribution deal and can't say much more till then. They need to know if they've got a theatrical budget or not, and whether they are ok with all puppets yadda yadda. It'd be good if they got a big studio attached but even if they just end up with something on the level of "Five Children" it should be ok. I'm not expecting massive things, but i'm expecting something. I would think that all the flop CGI kids movies are making it hard for anyone in that genre right now.

[JEANYLASER]

I love Fraggle Rock!

[LadyVader]

any new news?

[Beauregard]

:smirk: - You cannot leave the magic...

I'm guessing that if there was more news, we'd have heard it here first, so I'm just posting to remind us, and anyone who might be watching, that we're still here, still waiting, and still excited to see the Fraggles return to the magic, and adjust to the big screen.

And I just realized that we don't have a Mokey smilie...which is so sad!

:excited: - We'll be back some tomorrow...

[Drtooth]

No, I didn't assume. Someone else on MC (I can't remember who, but their article included a pic of Scooter wearing a T shirt that says "My uncle owns the theatre") posted a tribute to Richard Hunt and maybe I misunderstood them, but it sounded like this person was attributing Scooter's disappearance to Richard Hunt's illness. Thats where I got my info from, this person's Richard Hunt tribute.




Strange... I always thought Scooter was retired (sorta) cuz they couldn;t find a good continuer for him.

Anyway, I said it before and I'll say it again. I think that David Rudman would do a good job. he won't quite sound the same, but he's continued most of Richard's roles. And even when Richard was around her performed Sweetums in the episode of the Cosby show.

But I really want to hear if any news has popped up reguarding the film. I'm so anxious about it.

[unclematt]

Been gone for a while. I guess I was just hopeful that there might be something new.

[Gonzo14]

is the movie still in production or was it cancelled?

[heralde]

I really think it's just to early to hear much. Maybe they'll say something on the 3rd Season DVD.

[Super Scooter]

It was stated that the Jim Henson Company would be focusing on Power of the Dark Crystal first. I assume once post-production is done on that, we'll hear alot more about Fraggle Rock.

[RKUNKLER]

Craig Shemin said that its in the early stages.

[crazed gonzo fa]

It was stated that the Jim Henson Company would be focusing on Power of the Dark Crystal first. I assume once post-production is done on that, we'll hear alot more about Fraggle Rock.Speaking of which, is there any news on that?

[unclematt]

That upsets me because I think a Fraggle movie would be more widely accepted than a Crystal movie

[muppet baby]

That upsets me because I think a Fraggle movie would be more widely accepted than a Crystal movie


i know what you mean matt i really think that the faggle rock movie would be better for right :smirk: now i hope that they decied to do the fraggle first but if not as soon as the dark cyistal movie is done that they start on the fraggle movie and work on it .:excited:

[Convincing John]

Hey everyone,

I'm looking forward to the Fraggle movie, too. I had some thoughts and questions maybe someone could answer.

First of all, how the heck can somebody audition to work on (or be in) this movie?:D Personally, auditioning to be Junior Gorg or to give Jerry a hand with performing Gobo would be a dream come true for me. Man...(Sesame Street "imagining" chimes and soft focus morphing from the MC Forum to the recording studio with Jerry Nelson...)

:sleep: "Yeah, you'll get that job all right."
:boo: "Yeah! As soon as that bear tells a decent joke! Doh ho ho ho ho ho!"

Ah well. Just a dream, I guess. I suppose someone's all set up for that job. But just in case...would it hurt to tell JHC that I'm interested? I would love so much to be a part of the Fragglish magic that enchanted me as a kid. Heck, I'd do it as an intern and not care if I got a penny. (Hey, Jerry! You have a volunteer helper here!)

Also, anyone know where the Fraggle movie is going to be filmed? Toronto? New York? Traveling Matt goes all over the world. So...um...would the rest of the Fraggles go there, too? My brother lives in a major city, so it would be pretty funny for him to be one of the "extras" seen in one of Matt's postcard segments.

Will humans be able to see the Fraggles? Doc does in "The Honk of Honks", and Cantus points out what needed to be done in order for Gobo to become visible to Doc. As for Matt, the Silly Creatures merely mistake him for an old man, (a little old lady gave him a quarter once), pass him by without seeing him, or mistake him for something else (such as Doc did when he thought Matt was a garden gnome).

This "Invisibility is in the eye of the beholder" concept Cantus explains...will it play a role in the movie? It seemed that in "The Honk of Honks" that Fraggles were not unlike other metaphysical creatures of our legends (ex. faeries) that needed to be believed in to be seen. I've noticed that on the show. The adult Silly Creatures quite often just walk by Matt. The kids see him and sometimes interact with him, even if done unscripted. Kids are often more open-minded to seeing a magical world around them. Adults are often (as Cantus puts it) "Those who can't see. See?" One scene I remember (can't remember the episode..."Battle of Leaking Roof?") a mother and toddler walk past Matt in a mall. The mother keeps on walking, but the child grins and shyly opens and closes her hand (waving) to Matt. It's a cute little unscripted reaction that reminds the audience that Fraggles are magical, yet are often invisible to adults.

What do you guys think?

Convincing John

[CoOKiE]

i think i want what you're hav'n

jk

makes sense. Keeping it in the same way with the show... but i'm not sure if you're saying that they're invisible, r he was just unnoticed. There were alot of people (adults) that have seen Matt, as Doc sees Gobo as well. I don't think average people walking around think up of seeing a fraggle, and there they see Matt.

[Convincing John]

Well...as Cantus put it "Invisibility is in the eye of the beholder."

Yes, Doc does see Gobo, but it isn't until a connection is made between them that Doc and Gobo both interpret Cantus's way of seeing. This was established in "The Honk of Honks". In the beginning of the episode, Doc looks straight at Gobo (Sprocket even points to him!) and Doc says:

"I don't see anything."

Later, Gobo makes the connection of "touch" between him and Doc.

:smirk: "I felt bad for you. That's how you touched me, and I touched you. You aren't just a Silly Creature! You're a you, aren't ya?"

Doc: "I'm a...what?"

Gobo: "A you, like me!"

As for Matt, yes a lot of Silly Creatures, young and old, see him. However, the grown-ups (IMHO) would just mistake him for something they could interpret and understand, logically a little old man with a big nose. In "You Can't Do That Without A Hat", an old lady comes to him at a donut shop and says "Oh, you poor man. You look like you could use this" and she gives him a quarter.

This underlying aspect would seem to further underline the Silly Creature's inability to truly "see" (to understand) as Cantus puts it.

So to perhaps put it as simply as I can, Matt was noticed by many, but not seen for what he truly was. So in a way, his true nature as a Fraggle was "invisible" to the Silly Creatures. Adults merely saw this vague Mark Twain-like, short old man in explorer gear stumbling his way around the world.

Convincing John

[Erine81981]

Well...as Cantus put it "Invisibility is in the eye of the beholder."

Yes, Doc does see Gobo, but it isn't until a connection is made between them that Doc and Gobo both interpret Cantus's way of seeing. This was established in "The Honk of Honks". In the beginning of the episode, Doc looks straight at Gobo (Sprocket even points to him!) and Doc says:

"I don't see anything."

Later, Gobo makes the connection of "touch" between him and Doc.

:smirk: "I felt bad for you. That's how you touched me, and I touched you. You aren't just a Silly Creature! You're a you, aren't ya?"

Doc: "I'm a...what?"

Gobo: "A you, like me!"

As for Matt, yes a lot of Silly Creatures, young and old, see him. However, the grown-ups (IMHO) would just mistake him for something they could interpret and understand, logically a little old man with a big nose. In "You Can't Do That Without A Hat", an old lady comes to him at a donut shop and says "Oh, you poor man. You look like you could use this" and she gives him a quarter.

This underlying aspect would seem to further underline the Silly Creature's inability to truly "see" (to understand) as Cantus puts it.

So to perhaps put it as simply as I can, Matt was noticed by many, but not seen for what he truly was. So in a way, his true nature as a Fraggle was "invisible" to the Silly Creatures. Adults merely saw this vague Mark Twain-like, short old man in explorer gear stumbling his way around the world.

Convincing John
That is well put CJ. I like how you think.

[ploobis]

I still wonder if Jerry Nelson or somebody els will take the role of Gobo for this future movie? :smirk:

Nobody can replace Jerry, NOBODY!

[Metacritter]

Maybe they can get Jeff bridges to play Cantus. Why? Because he plays a great mellow sage, as he did in SURF'S UP.

[Beauregard]

I do hope that Cantus is in the movie...he is a huge part of Fraggle lore...

[BEAR]

I'm sure Jerry Nelson would be capable of atleast dubbing the voice and then having someone else do the puppeteering. I guess they've been doing that a lot for his characters lately.

[ploobis]

I'm sure Jerry Nelson would be capable of atleast dubbing the voice and then having someone else do the puppeteering. I guess they've been doing that a lot for his characters lately.

Same here buddy!

I'll still be happy if Jerry still does the voice for Gobo while they have somebody like Drew Massy, Victor Yerrid or Bill Barretta doing the puppet.

:smirk:

[BEAR]

Yeah. Maybe Bill Barretta could even perform and voice Cantus while he's there too.

[theprawncracker]

While I think Bill could give Cantus a great voice similar to Jim's, I don't think that Bill has ther personality to perform Cantus. I mean, I absolutely LOVE all of Bill's characters, it just feels like he's more suited to utterly silly characters, not wise, sage-like characters like Cantus. But I dunno, he could prove us wrong.

And yeah, I don't see why Jerry couldn't dub Gobo, Marjorie, and Pa, he does it for The Count all the time. :smirk:

[BEAR]

While I think Bill could give Cantus a great voice similar to Jim's, I don't think that Bill has ther personality to perform Cantus. I mean, I absolutely LOVE all of Bill's characters, it just feels like he's more suited to utterly silly characters, not wise, sage-like characters like Cantus. But I dunno, he could prove us wrong.



Good point.

[theprawncracker]

Good point.
And actually when I was typing that I was thinking of Cantus talking with a Pepe voice... :p:rolleyes:

[BEAR]

And actually when I was typing that I was thinking of Cantus talking with a Pepe voice... :p:rolleyes:

Hahahahahaha!

[theprawncracker]

"I got d'is pipe from a mysterious and infisible... a mysterious and infisible... well de point is, it was mysterious and infisible. But it had a sexy voice, hokay. Hehehehe."

[Beauregard]

Great...now I have Cantus singing I'm Too Sexy....

[Philip Kippel]

"I got d'is pipe from a mysterious and infisible... a mysterious and infisible... well de point is, it was mysterious and infisible. But it had a sexy voice, hokay. Hehehehe."

I don't think so.

Bill's Cantus would sound more like Bobo or Rowlf.

[Beauregard]

I don't think so.

Bill's Cantus would sound more like Bobo or Rowlf.
Which are both ok, so long as he doesn't laugh. It's the laugh that goes "Pepe peppe!"

[IgorPonweed]

Am I the only one who thinks it won't come 'till 2010 because of the PDC delay?

[Drtooth]

Delay? First I ever heard of it. Care to ellaborate?

[IgorPonweed]

Power of the Dark Crystal.

[frogboy4]

Which are both ok, so long as he doesn't laugh. It's the laugh that goes "Pepe peppe!"

You are so right. Bill's laugh gives all of his characters away. He is a spectacular performer. Right behind Mr. Goelz in my book! :rolleyes: :concern:

I wish FRM would get back on track. :excited:

[Galacticatt]

Wow, I really hope they do a good job- I loved the Fraggles so much and I'm afraid my expectations are rather high...

[Beauregard]

I think all of our hopes are high at this point...But I believe they can deliver.

I just hope they don't get too distracted by their other successfull adult content shows at the moment...and put this aside.

[wwfpooh]

The problem? Disney HAS ruined the works of other companies recently (Classic Media's Underdog), and so, does this mean another Henson property will get the short end of the perverbial [Doozer] stick? I hope not. :(

[theprawncracker]

The problem? Disney HAS ruined the works of other companies recently (Classic Media's Underdog), and so, does this mean another Henson property will get the short end of the perverbial [Doozer] stick? I hope not. :(
Why would Disney affect Henson's Fraggle movie? :confused: I don't think Henson has any plans of selling the Fraggles to Disney... so I don't see how Disney could affect the film. :smirk:

[wwfpooh]

Why would Disney affect Henson's Fraggle movie? :confused: I don't think Henson has any plans of selling the Fraggles to Disney... so I don't see how Disney could affect the film. :smirk:When Disney bought out the Muppets, they also probably bought out the Fraggles too.

[AndyWan Kenobi]

When Disney bought out the Muppets, they also probably bought out the Fraggles too.

Nope. Still Henson.

[wwfpooh]

Nope. Still Henson.Odd. Henson keeps the Fraggles, but yet, sells his most lucrative characters and the one he started the entire Henson legacy around to Disney, his main source of competition? What kind of backwards thinking was that? I mean, sure...we see the Muppets on DVDs and on small commercial snipets, but where is the spark of rejuvination to put the creations back on TV again?

[Drtooth]

Odd. Henson keeps the Fraggles, but yet, sells his most lucrative characters and the one he started the entire Henson legacy around to Disney, his main source of competition? What kind of backwards thinking was that? I mean, sure...we see the Muppets on DVDs and on small commercial snipets, but where is the spark of rejuvination to put the creations back on TV again?


Actually, I think it was on both parties. Disney only wanted TMS and Bear in the Big Blue house. I'm sure they would have taken the Sesame characters if offered, but that was sold back to Sesame Workshop. I don't think Disney had any interrest in purchasing Fraggles and things like Storyteller. So Henson kept them. Of course, with Hit working with Henson, they really have been doing a lot with the property lately.

[frogboy4]

There is the web rumor (just a rumor) that Disney would be producing and distributing the Fraggle Rock Movie. I always felt it would be Sony or Fox. I don't think there's a lack of big studio interest in the movie.

Personally, I think Sony (Columbia Tri-Star) would be the best fit. I feel they would allow the most creative lattitude while injecting enough synergy in the project's products. Sony/Playstation has stores as does Disney. But the Mouse doesn't like to share his shelf space - not even with the Duck!

[wwfpooh]

the Mouse doesn't like to share his shelf space - not even with the Duck!

He shares it with a "willy nilly silly old" bear whose in hot water due to lawsuits, so what's wrong with Mick giving more room for other properties? ^_^ I mean, it's not as if the company didn't already do enough to dumb down and de-popularize his character via that "Clubhouse" drivel...:boo:

[Drtooth]

Personally, I think Sony (Columbia Tri-Star) would be the best fit. I feel they would allow the most creative lattitude while injecting enough synergy in the project's products. Sony/Playstation has stores as does Disney. But the Mouse doesn't like to share his shelf space - not even with the Duck!

Sony would seem like a good fit, but I'm still warey of how they handled MFS. But out of the other studios, they seem like the best choice.

And Mickey does share the shelf with movie characters from time to time. A limited time, sure, and it depends on the success of the film.

If it wasn't for Mickey's Clubhouse, you'd be more likely to find Cars, Princesses, Power Rangers, Buzz Lightyear, Pooh, and the "released from the Disney Vault" characters of the month than even the Mouse himself.

[frogboy4]

Sony would seem like a good fit, but I'm still warey of how they handled MFS. But out of the other studios, they seem like the best choice.

And Mickey does share the shelf with movie characters from time to time. A limited time, sure, and it depends on the success of the film.

If it wasn't for Mickey's Clubhouse, you'd be more likely to find Cars, Princesses, Power Rangers, Buzz Lightyear, Pooh, and the "released from the Disney Vault" characters of the month than even the Mouse himself.

It's no secret how I felt about the theatrical release of Muppets From Space. I could just hear nails pounding into the Muppet coffin while watching it in the theater. The audience simply didn't respond. Neither did I (until it hit home video - it plays much better that way). But I think the the problems with that pic had more to do with the creative force(s) than the studio. There were rumors of multiple directors and writers throught the filming process. That's never a good sign. Also, the movie really never took-off.

Anyway, back to Fraggles. Of all the studios, it appears to me that a Sony-driven picture would better allow freedoms and market to strengths than others like Disney that would arbitrarily try to stamp ideas into the picture to sell a product etc. :smirk:

About the Disney Store:
There's one several blocks from me. Since I met my partner the first week of January I have been trying to purchase a Donald Duck mug in the store. They simply didn't carry Donald mugs this year! Tinkerbell, Mickey, Pooh and others, but no Donald. And in their signature store (yes, I know they're privately owned and merely stocked through Disney).

I am informed that they rotate their character choices, but I finally had to turn to secondary markets for mugs. There are some very good vintage and a few new ones out on Ebay etc. I finally got all the mugs he could ever use. It's just frustrating to have money burning a hole in my pocket (set aside for Donald stuff) all year long and not having "the" Disney store respond to that need. I have found that Donald Duck is actually equally as and many times more popular than the Mouse. I enjoy Disney, but those stores, for a while now, only serve little purpose to those over 3 years of age. Off-topic Rant over. :zany:

I wonder if Disney backed the Fraggle movie if they would promote it in the store. They own the Muppets, but didn't promote Oz one bit. In fact, the staff hadn't even heard of the project. :cry:

[GelflingWaldo]

It's no secret how I felt about the theatrical release of Muppets From Space. I could just hear nails pounding into the Muppet coffin while watching it in the theater. The audience simply didn't respond. Neither did I (until it hit home video - it plays much better that way). But I think the the problems with that pic had more to do with the creative force(s) than the studio. There were rumors of multiple directors and writers throught the filming process. That's never a good sign. Also, the movie really never took-off.



Well, the film had it's problems. Here's a quote from an interview (http://movies.ign.com/articles/035/035901p1.html) with Brian Henson where he states what went wrong with Muppets From Space:"Well, I think Muppets From Space suffered from two things. One, which was certainly our fault, was that the film was probably not as strong as it could have been. The script was not as focused as it could have been, and the tone of the film meandered a little bit. Second, removing musical numbers – in hindsight – was probably a bad idea. I would say there were flaws in the film, but we also got clobbered by a disconnect from inside of Sony, where the distribution department loved the Muppets – and the distribution department wanted to go out in summer, against the biggest films, and wanted to make a huge hit. Early on, I had said to them, "We're used to releasing Muppet movies in the off-season, not on the on-season. We've always done well that way." They said, "No, we're going to knock it out of the park. We're going to go summer, and do a big summer hit." That was the way distribution felt – marketing didn't feel that way at all, so marketing gave us a marketing plan that was smaller than the plans that we ever worked off of with Disney, and yet we were in a summer rush. There was no marketing.

When we opened the film, there was still only like less than half of the audience who even knew it was in theaters, which is kind-of catastrophic for any movie. That's a week-and-a-half of your business right there. The marketing didn't get to the audience at all. That's why those big summer movies spend an enormous amount of money – because they have to catch families who aren't watching television, who aren't on a regular routine... They're on a summer routine, so you've got to catch them on the way to the beach, you've got to catch them at the restaurants, you've got to catch them at the theme parks, you've got to catch them on their boating holidays – you've got to catch them every way you can. Basically, we didn't do that at all. They used an off-season marketing plan that was not going to work in the school holidays. We really suffered a disconnect over at Sony. Having said all that, the film had its problems, too. Definitely."However, focusing back to Fraggle Rock -- the Fraggle Rock feature film does not have a distributor or co-producer lined up yet (and from what I've been told, an initial draft of a script for the film isn't even completed yet). Wikipedia, IMDB and other user-edited sites have been adding claims (often of Disney involvement) based on assumptions (often due on ignorant thinking that Disney own the Henson Co. now or that they bought the Fraggles with the Muppets). That's not to say Henson won't end up working with Disney, or Sony, or Warner Bros, or the Weinstein Co, or Fox, or Universal, or Odyssey Entertainment, or Dreamworks, or whoever. But no official deal has been signed yet. There is still a lot of business work that has to be done before production can really take off. It will hopefully all things will be ready for production to ramp up next year with release still in-line for 2009 -- although a lot of the "hold up" and focus right now comes from hammering out the script and developing a quality story.

[frogboy4]

I agree that summer was not a good time to release MFS. It probably would have done better in spring or autumn, but on the script's merit I don't think it would ever have done very well. There was quite a bit of marketing for it, (more than I remember MTI having) but it so easily got lost in the mix. :sympathy:

I actually think there are enough Fraggle fans of movie-going age that would make time to see a Fraggle film at any release date. But, if timed correctly, I can see it reaching number one at the box office its opening weekend. That would probably mean spring. And, of course, a good script. That's the one component missing. Jerry Juhl left some mighty big shoes. :cry:

Does anyone know if there was any present story-framework that Jerry had created in such a case as a new Fraggle project or was that all in the final episode? :excited:

[Wozza Fraggle]

There was a first draft of the script back last October.

[GelflingWaldo]

There was a first draft of the script back last October.
Was that a complete script? I was under the impression that was just a treatment (or detailed story/plot/character outline). Last I heard (which was early last month), the script was still in heavy development.

[wwfpooh]

or that they bought the Fraggles with the MuppetsWell, when TVS or whatever it was called went down in the UK, Disney supposedly picked up the distribution rights to the UK Fraggle franchise, hence why it airs sporadically on the UK's Boomerang.

[IgorPonweed]

Well, when TVS or whatever it was called went down in the UK, Disney supposedly picked up the distribution rights to the UK Fraggle franchise, hence why it airs sporadically on the UK's Boomerang.

Boomerang is Cartoon Network.

[Luke]

Just to add in, Fraggle is apparently doing VERY well on Boomerang in the UK. One of their top 5 shows from what i've heard, so looks like the kids are watching it!

[Traveling Matt]

Just to add in, Fraggle is apparently doing VERY well on Boomerang in the UK. One of their top 5 shows from what i've heard, so looks like the kids are watching it!
How great is it that today's kids are watching the show (and not courtesy of the DVDs)?

THE FRAGGLES ARE BACK!

Kids channel Boomerang brings back Jim Henson’s classic after a 10 year gap from British TV Screens.

The classic Jim Henson series Fraggle Rock will be seen on UK TV screens from 23rd July as Boomerang brings the hit show back. A favourite with kids all over the world since its launch in the 1980’s Fraggle Rock originally ran for 5 seasons and became a cult classic, spurning toys, fan clubs and a UK top 40 hit for the theme tune.

Fraggles are described as humanoid creatures, stand 22 inches tall and live together in a system of caves known as Fraggle Rock with a raft of other creatures. The show followed some key Fraggles including Red, Gobo, Mokey, Wembley and Boober as they laughed, played and saved their worries for another day! Generally care-free and happy souls, the Fraggles contrasted with the smaller but incredibly hard-working Doozers who, dressed up in their hard hats and construction gear, built numerous edible structures in the caves.

Surviving on a diet of radishes and constantly trying to avoid the Gorgs and their annoying son Junior the Fraggles enjoy their life at Fraggle Rock and sing constantly. Regular updates from Uncle Travelling Matt – who visits our world, or ‘Outta Space’ – and some timely advice from Madame Trash heap, mean the Fraggles are well informed and have something to offer all the family!

So, get yourself some tasty radishes, fluff up your tail, get your singing voice on and join Red, Gobo and friends from the 23rd July at 7.30pm on Boomerang. If you can’t wait until then, log on to www.boomerangtv.co.uk to learn the words to the legendary theme tune!

FRAGGLE ROCK

Co-created by Jim Henson and Jerry Juhl from the Jim Henson company and aired first on HBO and CBC in the US and Canada respectively. In all 96 episodes were made and the show was a global hit, winning numerous awards including an international Emmy. Fraggle Rock won cult status and has numerous celebrity followers. The theme tune became a Top 40 hit in the UK during the show’s initial run, and is consistently voted as a retro favourite. The show has been labelled as one of the best kids television shows ever made and join such other Henson classics as The Muppet Show and Sesame Street.

One of the most unusual Fraggle facts was that it was the first US television show to be aired in the former U.S.S.R.

http://www.europe.turnerinfo.com/BOOM/UK/pressreleases/10_07_07_1.jsp

[Luke]

Yea The Raccoons is also doing good business over on Boomerang UK. They really have brought back a few things you wouldn't have expected them to recently.

[RealMissPiggy]

I'll belive it when i see it!

[CoOKiE]

intresting facts that i've learned from that site are, Wembly does NOT have yellowish-green hair... but it is Orange... And Mokey has grey hair... not the teal (or if you want to argue, baby blue) hair.

Don't go blabberin that the British are color blind... i'm a little british (yea yea THE BRITISH ARE COMING THE BRITISH ARE COMING!).. but i am NOT color blind... nor are we stupid... with the exception of the guy that made that site

[Luke]

Don't go blabberin that the British are color blind... i'm a little british (yea yea THE BRITISH ARE COMING THE BRITISH ARE COMING!).. but i am NOT color blind... nor are we stupid... with the exception of the guy that made that site

Well it's Turner, so it may well have been made in the states. Now don't even get me started on those pesky yanks! lol :rolleyes: ;)

[Muppet dude]

If it wasn't for Mickey's Clubhouse, you'd be more likely to find Cars, Princesses, Power Rangers, Buzz Lightyear, Pooh, and the "released from the Disney Vault" characters of the month than even the Mouse himself.

Don't forget that highly-overrated new talking-animal movie released this year: "Ratatouille." I'm avoiding that one, mainly because I'm sick and tired of those computer-animated talking-animal films with their crude "Ren and Stimpy"-type humor and big-name celebrities.

[LadyVader]

I'm starting to think that this is a big hoaxs and there no movie comeing at all.

[wwfpooh]

Boomerang is Cartoon Network.

Yes, but the Boom in the UK is different than the US's. All we have here in the States are the Hanna Barbara stuff (Huckleberry Hound, Atom Aunt, Flinstones, Jetsons, Yogi Bear, etc.), Justice League, Superfriends, Smurfs, Snorks, The Batman (the modern version, not BTAS, which airs on our Toon Disney/Jetix block, alongside various Power Ranger incarnations, Pucca, Pinky & the Brain, Jackie Chan Adventures, and other former FOX Kids--and WB!--shows, which effectively kicks off the main Disney shows the program was originally created to air like The Disney Afternoon shows once they left primetime syndication [the only ones left are Rescue Rangers, Tailspin, and Goof Troop, whereas Gummi Bears, Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, and Bonkers get the shaft]), Tom and Jerry, Hong Kong Phooey, Wacky Races, and Popeye. Meanwhile in the UK, you get that and other classics, Fraggle Rock included.

[unclematt]

I am confused. So is Boomerang UK owned by Disney

[wwfpooh]

I am confused. So is Boomerang UK owned by Disney

Not really. Think of the UK's Boomerang as the equivalent of Canada's YTV, as a station built to air a managerie of shows from various companies, regardless of copyright.

[Luke]

The thing about the Fraggle movie is that i think they might find it hard to get a theatrical deal for it. I don't see Disney or Sony jumping at the chance to do it, especially as the market is already starting to tire of these retro movies (Alvin and the Chipmunks etc) and some of them have even been taken out of pre-production recently, so by 2009 it would have probably burned out completely. I'd love to see the movie, especially with the original cast, but they might find it easier to do a TV Movie or something. The other thing they could do if they want theatrical, is if kids are catching onto the show in Europe, they could try making it with European money and HIT Entertainment is probably in a good position to get them a deal like that. It probably then wouldn't get carried in quite as many USA theaters or have a big promotional budget but it'd still get made.

I think like a lot of the Muppet stuff that could have happened, a lot of opportunities were missed by not starting to do this kinda stuff a few years back, because the various sales and deals rearranging the various brands were still being arranged.

[Drtooth]

Don't forget that highly-overrated new talking-animal movie released this year: "Ratatouille." I'm avoiding that one, mainly because I'm sick and tired of those computer-animated talking-animal films with their crude "Ren and Stimpy"-type humor and big-name celebrities.


Honestly, I could not recommend Ratatoullie enough. Not even so much as a burp joke... and it had pretty witty gourmand Dialogue to it. Brad Bird really made the film razor sharp. It really is one of Pixar's best films, I think. I think people were discouraged by the "G" rating. So not only is it not crude, it's delightfully refreshing to see that type of humor in a "kid's Movie."


Just to add in, Fraggle is apparently doing VERY well on Boomerang in the UK. One of their top 5 shows from what i've heard, so looks like the kids are watching it!

That's great... but to really get this movie to take off, I want to see it air somewhere in the US. I mean, it would be great if Sprout started to rerun it at some point, but they totally dropped the ball with that one.

[wwfpooh]

But the show was originally American, so they should have some promotion for it.

[frogboy4]

Honestly, I could not recommend Ratatoullie enough. Not even so much as a burp joke... and it had pretty witty gourmand Dialogue to it. Brad Bird really made the film razor sharp. It really is one of Pixar's best films, I think. I think people were discouraged by the "G" rating. So not only is it not crude, it's delightfully refreshing to see that type of humor in a "kid's Movie."

I agree with you there. No gas jokes, no pop culture references (except maybe a nod to Wolfgang Puck for selling-out and making frozen meals). I usually dislike over-hyped/over-rated film fluff but Ratatouille was not that. That place belongs to Shrek the Third. After what I saw as some missed opportunities with Monsters Inc in gearing it a little too kid-friendly, Ratatouille really is geared more toward a finer adult palette. Missing this film would be unwise. Is it wrong to call such a challenging and expensive film – a sweet little movie? Because, with the exception of raising the bar of animation, that’s exactly how I felt about this film.

[wwfpooh]

Agreed on the gas/potty humor jokes part, but making cultural references could be good, as doing so would connect modern audiences to the characters and stuff.

[frogboy4]

Agreed on the gas/potty humor jokes part, but making cultural references could be good, as doing so would connect modern audiences to the characters and stuff.

There are enough films that do that these days. It's refreshing that this one decided not to. It probably would have made more money if it was filled with pop songs and nods to current trends, but Bird went the brave and classier rout. For poop jokes and pop culture references galore - Shrek 3 was in the Cineplex a door or two down. I did see that one too, but Ratatouille received repeat viewings from my partner and me. :cool:

[wwfpooh]

Well, not all things with cultural references would have potty humor jokes.

[Drtooth]

There are enough films that do that these days. It's refreshing that this one decided not to. It probably would have made more money if it was filled with pop songs and nods to current trends, but Bird went the brave and classier rout. For poop jokes and pop culture references galore - Shrek 3 was in the Cineplex a door or two down. I did see that one too, but Ratatouille received repeat viewings from my partner and me. :cool:


Aye, Shrek 3 was a disappointment, even to a Shrek fan like me. Even the Christmas Special was better. But for me, Shrek is one of the only times I forgive poopoo and toot toot jokes (outside of older episodes of Ren and Stimpy and certain 1980's animes).

I have no problem with Culture references, but too much is too much. A few parodies and snarky commenets are fine, but if you put random references that go no where, I could care less.

One of the many reasons I thought Rat was just supurbly different. There was even a scene in a sewer, and not even so much as a smelly sewer joke.

I really hope when this film happens it has the same style of classier fare as Rat did. I mean, pop culture would be funny to work into a Traveling Matt segment, if the movie has one, but I don't think I can see the Fraggles Rehashing old movie lines. After all, they never seen these movies.

[wwfpooh]

I have no problem with Culture references, but too much is too much. A few parodies and snarky commenets are fine, but if you put random references that go no where, I could care less.What about the classic WB! formula that was all about silliness, such as that with the "revivalist" shows of the 90's, TTA, A! (and spin-off, P&tB) F! H! and the others?

[IgorPonweed]

What about the classic WB! formula that was all about silliness, such as that with the "revivalist" shows of the 90's, TTA, A! (and spin-off, P&tB) F! H! and the others?

Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs! Pinky and the Brain, Freakazoid and what? :confused:

[The Count]

Hysteria!

[wwfpooh]

Hysteria!

Thank you local resident, Loud Kiddington, erm...Count. :D But in all seriousness, all those shows aforementioned were silly and--during their day--made good comedic use of the many things they parodied! And even more than that, it was subtlety well-balanced, good-natured parodies mixed in with witty dialog and the vintage "anvil/safe-dropping is funny" formula...unlike modern cartoons nowadays that lean towards either extreme in that they either must pull a Stepford (i.e. must make everything sickeningly cute and happy all of the time) or they must go to the other end by way of MTV-style humor (i.e. use that which is done in bad taste via either often-unfunny crude jokes, blatantly obvious sexual situations, swears, or a mix of any of them/all of them).

[unclematt]

One more time my hopes were set high and then shattered

[wwfpooh]

One more time my hopes were set high and then shattered

How do you know that? The movie hasn't debuted yet! All we have right now is speculation. :)

[unclematt]

I have yet to see a movie and would not be surprised if I never see one. They have to do something to boost my confidence.

[wwfpooh]

I have yet to see a movie and would not be surprised if I never see one. They have to do something to boost my confidence.

Well, you might not see a movie for some time, as it is still being worked on.

[unclematt]

Is Ahmed Zappa still behind it.

[wwfpooh]

Is Ahmed Zappa still behind it.

At present, yes. As well, the Henson children have their places within production of the movie, as well.

[unclematt]

That gives me a little bit more hope.

[wwfpooh]

That gives me a little bit more hope.I'm glad, for hope helps keeps the world going around, I think.

[unclematt]

It does I just dont want to be let down on another Muppet project

[wwfpooh]

It does I just dont want to be let down on another Muppet project

Nor I. Especially when Fraggle Rock has so many lessons that could be taught and in a good fashion, as opposed to the tacked-on and forceful morals jammed down viewer's throats in most programs with children as the prime demographic.

[unclematt]

It sounds like we agree on alot

[wwfpooh]

It sounds like we agree on alotFor the most part, we mostly do agree, because we have similar tastes. But back to the movie...I definately hope Jerry comes out of semi-retirement to reperform Gobo, but I would understand if he's too rusty from retirement to perform the voice with the same flare as of years past.

[unclematt]

I think he can do it. He still has it in him. I think as long asthey put him on a regular schedule he would be able to come out of retirement.

[wwfpooh]

I think he can do it. He still has it in him. I think as long asthey put him on a regular schedule he would be able to come out of retirement.But it depends on whether he himself wants to come out or not and that is the part only he can decide upon.

[unclematt]

If the script is right he will do it. I am pretty confident about that.

[Muppet Pro]

I'm curious about a few things about The Fraggle Rock Movie.

1. Will Jerry Nelson still perform his characters or will they be replaced?

2. Since Jim and Richard Hunt is no longer with us, will their characters still be in the film?

It'll be interesting to see a quick preview of the re-built puppets and sets.

_Eric ;)

[frogboy4]

I can't see a Fraggle film without Junior Gorg so I think they'll find a voice artist who can take him over for the film. I do miss Richard - his menu is up on the MC main page today. ;)

I also think that Jerry Nelson would at least dub Gobo for the film. There's just something so sharp and specific about his voice work (Jim Henson mentioned that too) that cannot be duplicated. They've done an okay job with Floyd, but his replacement's singing on the Green and Red Christmas album seemed so dull by comparison. I hope they get Jerry! :smirk:

I think Bill Barretta is a performer of Frank and Dave status, but I wouldn't want to hear Cantus sounding like Bobo. I really wouldn't. Maybe if they'd give him fewer lines, have someone else perform him or better yet just have him "play his song" in the background rather than sing. I would like to see him included. Oh...and I need to see Convincing John!

[Beauregard]

There may be old voice footage of Cantus that can be reused?

Also, seeing as Dark Crystal is going straight to DVD...I hope that doesn't happen with this movie!

[Muppet Pro]

Also, seeing as Dark Crystal is going straight to DVD...I hope that doesn't happen with this movie!

Wait, you mean The Power of the Dark Crystal? So that's not going to be in Cinemas then?

[Beauregard]

Yeah, sorry, I should have said DC2, rather than DC. It's going to be a straight to DVD release, according to news on MC today.

[dabauckham]

Yeah, sorry, I should have said DC2, rather than DC. It's going to be a straight to DVD release, according to news on MC today.

Check out the thread again, guys, at http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=36132


The notion that DC2 is going straight to DVD is based on one writer's opinion, who heard something at a conference. In response, Nicole Goldman of Henson wrote: "We are thrilled and grateful that fans are so interested in the progress of Power of the Dark Crystal - an especially important project to us that will require great care and attention throughout the production process. A project of this scale takes a lot of time and energy and we continue to work through the development phase, maintaining our original vision of a film for theatrical release that combines traditional puppetry and animatronics with cutting edge CG animation. We'll be sure to keep fans up to date as more information is confirmed."

Note the part I bolded. There's an article here: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Theat...quel-7415.html

Thus, it is still quite possible that both DC2 and the Fraggle Rock movie will be released in the theater.

[heralde]

That statement is slightly confusing. But I think what they're saying is they are still hoping for a theatrical release, but haven't been able to guarantee it yet.

[Drtooth]

That statement is slightly confusing. But I think what they're saying is they are still hoping for a theatrical release, but haven't been able to guarantee it yet.

Exactly. All I could say about the news of DC2 being DTV I said to myself... Hubba WHA? I find it a cheat that they can't get DC2 i nto theaters, but the hack who came up with Saw (get it? Hack? Saw? Wocka Wocka Wocka!) can get over 6 films of the same blood porn into theaters, due to a contractual obligation.

If Fraggle the movie isn't in theaters, it will indeed be a total cheat to the fans of the franchise who have been clamoring for a Fraggle Film since the Muppets got 6 theatrical, and Sesame had 2. Fraggle was due for a theatrical release. Lesser films can be DTV.

[Beauregard]

Oops...sorry for spreading rumours! I guess, being Beau, being a nay-sayer is in my nature!

[Luke]

I think Henson are saying DC2 will probably be direct to dvd, but they are committed to making it exactly the same as if it was a theater release. That was my take on it anyway.

I can see Fraggle being the same. I think the only way they can hope for a theatrical release is if they can get one of the big film studios aboard as distributor, but it probably depends on them believing Fraggle has the same name value as things like Chipmunks. It's also not so much what the brand is, but who owns it. Owning the Muppets gave Henson a lot more access to the big studios but without them, and without any kind of recent track record i think its hard for them - possibly if the Fraggle movie is made in connection with HIT though they might score some kinda movie deal. I think most important thing is to make sure whatever they do (be it theater or DVD) is high quality and not just a cheap knockoff, else they just wreck the memory of the original. Similar things happening with Gremlins 3, which if does happen will probably be CGI and direct to DVD. Ugh!

[heralde]

Whatever happens, an attempt at a movie will never wreck the memory of the original for me. If it's bad, I'll just forget it ever happened. :)

It's hard to judge right now, some might say Fraggles are gaining some momentum with the DVD releases and all. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Luke]

I think they are gaining momentum, and i think a lot of it is down to the guys at HIT Entertainment. They are such a hot company, it was a genius move to put the Fraggles under them. JHC have always been great at producing things, but haven't always been as strong in the marketing - so its the perfect mix really.

[unclematt]

I know this is the Fraggle Movie thread but all I have to say is that if DC2 is direct to DVD I'm out. I will not see it. I am tired of being ripped off in almost every comcievable way wnhen it has come to my favorite symbel of pop culture, the Muppets and the Jim Henson Brand. I am sick to my stomach right now.

[gmrtia]

My dog the real life Sprocket! Ya think!:eek:

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[Drtooth]

Hey, with the strike going on and movie scripts going unproduced (the Justice League film may not happen) I'll be surprised if this actually happens, theatrical, DTV, or telefilm now.

[frogboy4]

Hey, with the strike going on and movie scripts going unproduced (the Justice League film may not happen) I'll be surprised if this actually happens, theatrical, DTV, or telefilm now.

Well the Justice League Movie, exciting as the prospect is, needed to go away for a while for the sake of securing Christopher Nolan for a third Batman film and hopefully Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh for Superman: Man of Steel. There's just so much that could go wrong with a JLA live action film that it's probably best to just leave the profitable new individual brandings of Superman and Batman alone for a little while longer.

Back to Fraggle Rock. I'm sure the writers strike has touched the Fraggle Movie but probably not that much. I don't understand this gloom with so very little information to go by. The facts as I see them are that 20th Century Fox (through HIT) has a nice DVD seller in Fraggle Rock already. With Fox's Alvin & the Chipmunks being a nostalgic property and their greatest theatrical smash hit of 2007, I can see them being interested in backing a Fraggle Rock motion picture for theatrical release. There's no information on them being interested, but it could easily happen from them (or many other studios who have taken note). The Fraggles aren't quite the secret they've been in previous years. I feel it's the Henson Company that's been dragging its feet more than writers, studios or performers. I don't see pessimism with the Fraggles. I see opportunities. And there's no ticking clock on this except in the minds of Fraggle fans like us who have waited to see this happen.

[unclematt]

Frogboy I applaud you for always being so optimistic

[Luke]

The facts as I see them are that 20th Century Fox (through HIT) has a nice DVD seller in Fraggle Rock already. With Fox's Alvin & the Chipmunks being a nostalgic property and their greatest theatrical smash hit of 2007, I can see them being interested in backing a Fraggle Rock motion picture for theatrical release.

Agreed, i think because of HIT anything could happen (if HIT are associated with the movie, i would guess so) although it might also go to the same people who are supposed to be distributing Power Of Dark Crystal, smaller but they've still had some decent name releases. I don't think it has quite the retro name value as Alvin, but its still worthy of the theater - even if only put out with limited distribution by an indie company. If they do go forward with making it i just don't see Henson letting it go straight to DVD - it's too major for them.

[frogboy4]

If they do go forward with making it i just don't see Henson letting it go straight to DVD - it's too major for them.

:smirk: I thought that the sale of the Muppets would help the Henson Company gain focus, and it has a little. But it just seems they aren’t taking enough initiative – especially with the Fraggles. I don’t see any real strategy behind the decisions. Fraggles really should have come before Crystal, Puppet Up, Skrumps or Tinseltown. I don’t see the advantage of what they’ve been doing so far. Let’s hope that this project ripens with the extra time it has taken. :excited:

With all of the false starts on Crystal, Fraggles and even poor follow-through with Puppet Up and Tinseltown, I feel better and better that Disney owns the Muppet brand. They haven't shown much follow-through, but they certainly have provided much more of it with the Muppets. :)

[doozersticks]

I think that it should happen. My children love fraggle rock and I think it would do surprisingly well.. As long as all the characters are in it and they get some people you wrote the show to write the movie with Admett Zappa...

[Drtooth]

Well the Justice League Movie, exciting as the prospect is, needed to go away for a while for the sake of securing Christopher Nolan for a third Batman film and hopefully Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh for Superman: Man of Steel. There's just so much that could go wrong with a JLA live action film that it's probably best to just leave the profitable new individual brandings of Superman and Batman alone for a little while longer.

Well, I have to admit, I'm not crazy about Justice League anyway. It takes all the uniqueness out of Batman for one. And Batman is just about the only straight through superhero I like anyway. I tend to gravitate towards parody characters like the Tick or Darkwing Duck. Plus, it seems like one of those things the fans would only be disappointed in, and they're the only ones who would care about it.

Back to Fraggle Rock. I'm sure the writers strike has touched the Fraggle Movie but probably not that much. I don't understand this gloom with so very little information to go by. The facts as I see them are that 20th Century Fox (through HIT) has a nice DVD seller in Fraggle Rock already. With Fox's Alvin & the Chipmunks being a nostalgic property and their greatest theatrical smash hit of 2007, I can see them being interested in backing a Fraggle Rock motion picture for theatrical release. There's no information on them being interested, but it could easily happen from them (or many other studios who have taken note). The Fraggles aren't quite the secret they've been in previous years.

Hey, if an African American cast of the Honeymooners (which had no appeal to anyone) can be theatrically released (for a week), they sure as shootin' can get this theatrically released. With the Alvin film doing much better than expected, and upcoming Smurfs and He-man films, I have nothing but hope FR will be theatrical.

[frogboy4]

Hey, if an African American cast of the Honeymooners (which had no appeal to anyone) can be theatrically released (for a week), they sure as shootin' can get this theatrically released. With the Alvin film doing much better than expected, and upcoming Smurfs and He-man films, I have nothing but hope FR will be theatrical.

Oh, I'm not touching that. LOL! I can say that I actually watched two episodes of the original Honeymooners show last night on DVD. Oh, yeah and Roger Ebert hated "The Great Muppet Caper" but admits to enjoying that "Honeymooners" movie that came out a couple years ago. Man has he lost perspective!

I still don't get what Henson Co is thinking? They can get funding for unknown animated pig DVDs but not enough interest to get a Fraggle film in actual production? Procrastination is the only reason I can think of. :smirk:

[Luke]

I still don't get what Henson Co is thinking? They can get funding for unknown animated pig DVDs but not enough interest to get a Fraggle film in actual production? Procrastination is the only reason I can think of. :smirk:

It's only direct to dvd Pig material though, i doubt it'd be as easy for them to get stuff out as fast theatrically, and its good name voice talent but not a-list. I'm not knocking it but its no Shrek.

I have to say its very encouraging the other companies involved co-producing with Henson though. I'm more than sure Henson could get a Fraggle film out direct to dvd anyway, but that actually gives me some hope for an eventual theatrical release.

[GelflingWaldo]

They can get funding for unknown animated pig DVDs but not enough interest to get a Fraggle film in actual production?
The Fraggle film (from what I've gathered) is not being held up due to lack of interest, financing, or any other kind of "business" difficulties. Yes, Henson is still in pre-producion on the film, but they still want to be in pre-production. They are continuing to work the story, vision, script, and concept of the film while assembling a cast, crew and design - so if anything it would be "creative" difficulties preventing it from geting into actual production, not lack of interest. Henson is pretty tight-liped about the film but from what I've heard, there haven't been any real big difficulties (business or creative) in the development of this film yet - they just aren't rushing into it at light-speed. Henson originally projected a 2009 release and, last I heard, they are still on-track for that.

[frogboy4]

The Fraggle film (from what I've gathered) is not being held up due to lack of interest, financing, or any other kind of "business" difficulties. Yes, Henson is still in pre-producion on the film, but they still want to be in pre-production. They are continuing to work the story, vision, script, and concept of the film while assembling a cast, crew and design - so if anything it would be "creative" difficulties preventing it from geting into actual production, not lack of interest. Henson is pretty tight-liped about the film but from what I've heard, there haven't been any real big difficulties (business or creative) in the development of this film yet - they just aren't rushing into it at light-speed. Henson originally projected a 2009 release and, last I heard, they are still on-track for that.

Thanks Greg for the word on that. It's precisely what I don't understand though. It's like how they kept dragging their feet with the Muppets before selling to Disney. It shouldn't be taking this long from their end. It was going this slowly well before the writers strike. Original reports were that this film was to be in the can over a year ago. I have faith in the Fraggles and the project, but just don't understand the procrastination on the creative side. It appears to me the issue is specifically about the script - a departure for the Fraggle gang. I know there are many creative people around here that can hammer out a great script. I know that's not how it's done. I'm simply saying that if fans here can do it what's the hold up with the real Henson/Fraggle screenwriters (pre-strike)? :excited:

[Luke]

I know Zappa submitted a draft last year but his schedule has been pretty busy since, and it was said a few months back Henson had a draft they were going forward with. Not sure if thats the same draft or if its still his "baby" as nothings been mentioned.