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Cantus Rock

09-29-2002, 02:47 PM

Yeah Grailie pal was right, I was just joking man. If your uncomfortable, you can change your User (if so, I suggest doing it now before you get too far in posting), but I don't really care. People know me as the Matt Cantus here, so its all good. Welcome, and enjoy. :)

Actually G-g-g-graily, I picked Cantus Rock because Cantus (my fav. Muppet) + Fraggle Rock (my favorite Muppet show) = Cantus Rock. Also because when something is totally amazing and awesome, it is *whatever thing* ROCK. Like if I was going to tell you that you are an amazingly rockin' person, I'd say "Mike Rock." So, Cantus Rock!!

I didn't even know there was a guy called Cantus until I looked over the User list one day to see someone elses profile under the 'C' names. To go to my own profile I just go to the top 10 (because, I'm top 10 you know...:D hehe). I think that the *other* is okay, I mean he's only posted like twice. No one can threaten the Mighty Cantus Rock!! :)

-Matt

beaker

09-30-2002, 03:44 PM

>>>Actually G-g-g-graily, I picked Cantus Rock because Cantus (my fav. Muppet) + Fraggle Rock (my favorite Muppet show) = Cantus Rock. Also because when something is totally amazing and awesome, it is *whatever thing* ROCK. Like if I was going to tell you that you are an amazingly rockin' person, I'd say "Mike Rock." So, Cantus Rock!!<<<

Don't worry Matt, I got your back;) j/k But seriously, will the real slim cantus please stand up? Cantus all get along?
Wow, stop me before the jokes get funny.

Cantus Rock

09-30-2002, 09:30 PM

*Fozzie Bear sits down at his desk. He is reviewing a sidekick application*

"Hmm...Cory, aka beaker...eh...Request: Denied. Wocka Wocka!!"

hehehehe. Its good to know that should I ever get in a Cantus war, I've got someone who shops at the Pottery Barn watchin' my sides. :D

-Matt

Drtooth

10-01-2002, 11:05 AM

We're very proud and excited!! That's all it says!! We're very proud and excited! We're very proud and excited that because of skinkin' Pat E. we're very proud and excited our proud and exciting Very Chistmas Muppet Movie is now the very proud and exciting 20 minutes of chopped up Muppets footage!!!

We're very proud and excited! We're very proud and excited!

I'm proud and excited to say that now the ONLY scene with the Electric Mayheim will be cut to show a freaking add for Scrubs.. No, not a commercial. The #$$%^ cross over! Veternarians hospital was more realistic!!

We're very proud and excited that they've just ruined the %$^%$^&%$^ Special!!!!

beaker

10-01-2002, 03:29 PM

>>>"Hmm...Cory, aka beaker...eh...Request: Denied. Wocka Wocka!!"<<<

Hey, Im no sidekick...im a leader homelsice!;) Meeeeee

hehehehe. Its good to know that should I ever get in a Cantus war, I've got someone who shops at the Pottery Barn watchin' my sides. <<<

Shop? No buddy, I work there!(Just got off a grueling shift an hour ago) But yeah...you, Dr Tooth...you are definately good comarades!

>>>I'm proud and excited to say that now the ONLY scene with the Electric Mayheim will be cut to show a freaking add for Scrubs.. No, not a commercial. The #$$%^ cross over! Veternarians hospital was more realistic!!<<<

Tooth, you are fricking kidding me...the one scene with Electric Mayhem got cut???????????

Lastly, I wish someone had complained about Hulk Hogan in MFS befor eit ewas released...he virtually hands down ruins what semblence of cool the film has left with his unwatchably horrid cameo.

danielromens

10-01-2002, 03:45 PM

>>>I'm proud and excited to say that now the ONLY scene with the Electric Mayheim will be cut to show a freaking add for Scrubs.. No, not a commercial. The #$$%^ cross over! Veternarians hospital was more realistic!!<<<

__________________________________________________ __

would somebody please kick me in the crotch? Patty, would you do the honors? Overprotective, rackinfrackin, snivlehrrmf........

ZootandDingo

10-01-2002, 04:09 PM

Well, I'm sure whoever did play Janice did an all right job....not that we'll ever know now.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go remove all swear words and references to love out of my "Pulp Fiction" DVD.

Drtooth

10-01-2002, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by beaker

Tooth, you are fricking kidding me...the one scene with Electric Mayhem got cut???????????

Lastly, I wish someone had complained about Hulk Hogan in MFS befor eit ewas released...he virtually hands down ruins what semblence of cool the film has left with his unwatchably horrid cameo.

Yes!! The Electric Mayheim was supposed to perform with Snoop! This really ticks me off. SHow of Hands: who wants Pat E. to goosestep her way out of Muppet Central say AYE! Sorry! That was harsh! But I don't want the Rightwing Moral Majority Minority to shred my Muppet shows to bits!!!

As for Hulk Hogan, I REALLY didn't like him in the film (and Traveling Matt was cut from the product?) Though, the bad guy joke was funny for two seconds. BTW, I did not like Kathy Griffen UNTIL MFS and Dilbert! I never thought she was funny until then! Maybe it was just that Suddenly Susan was so awful (even with Eric Idle)

frogboy4

10-01-2002, 06:37 PM

I think it's going a little too far with the insults and there has been some inflammatory language on both sides here.

I know things are heated on the forum right now but lets not make it personal. This originated as a healthy debate about the Muppet special; there has been no wrongdoing between members but it is definitely heading in that direction.

This is really about difference of opinion, but I can see this getting out of hand quickly. I'm all for a civil debate but lets not lose site that we should respect the opinions of others. Patty certainly did not single-handedly ruin Christmas or make the decision to delete the scene. No individual has that control. That is up to Henson. We are some very passionate Muppet fans indeed!

Drtooth

10-01-2002, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by frogboy4

I know things are heated on the forum right now but lets not make it personal. This originated as a healthy debate about the Muppet special; there has been no wrongdoing between members but it is definitely heading in that direction.

This is really about difference of opinion, but I can see this getting out of hand quickly. I'm all for a civil debate but lets not lose site that we should respect the opinions of others. Patty certainly did not single-handedly ruin Christmas or make the decision to delete the scene. No individual has that control.

I know and I appologize! The Goosestep comment was WAYYYYY out of line! WAY WAY WAY out of line! You know I have a bad temper, and I'm sorry If I can't take this in good humor. I reiterate! I appologize! Dr. Tooth is all about love! I just can't stand being so close to an Electric Mayheim comeback, only to have it edited out! I bet a lot of people would be ticked! "specially Byron!

As for the Patt E debate, I just wanted to put a face on my disgust! Though, I wouldn't be surprised that a few angry letters fueled their decidion. Ren and Stimpy was all but taken off the air, after two angry letters by watchdog groups.

As for respecting opinions, I'm not sure she really respects ours, however!

Once again, I appologize!

frogboy4

10-01-2002, 06:55 PM

I agree - things are really passionate on all sides and I don't believe that everyone is listening to each other here. There are some valid points on both sides, but Patty is a new member and she does sign her posts with "respectfully" so we must give her the benefit of the doubt. Many people come on a little strong when they join the forum (I was no exception). Some of the rhetoric on both sides has been rather over-the top and tempers get heated (mine has certainly been hot in the past too). It's best to be patient or wait an hour to post when that happens. Most of the time you will find that such responses are just not worth it.

beaker

10-01-2002, 07:35 PM

>>>Many people come on a little strong when they join the forum (I was no exception). Some of the rhetoric on both sides has been rather over-the top and tempers get heated (mine has certainly been hot in the past too). It's best to be patient or wait an hour to post when that happens. Most of the time you will find that such responses are just not worth it.<<<

Boy Ive learned that. I realize a lot of times it seems like I am over stretching my opinions. So Ive realized its just not worth it to get into it in a non orderly debate.

But I have to say...fort hose who think the recent '9 days' or Snoop thread got ugly, I just have to point to that Sesame HIV thread to illustrate how truly far away from the spirit of things we can get on here.

Cantus Rock

10-01-2002, 07:42 PM

<<But I have to say...fort hose who think the recent '9 days' or Snoop thread got ugly, I just have to point to that Sesame HIV thread to illustrate how truly far away from the spirit of things we can get on here>>

What'dya mean in that Cory? Not at all bashing, just wondering what you mean. Maybe a different thread than the one I posted in? I thought the HIV+ Thread where me and Annika were posting was pretty orderly...I bared my amazingly soft center in that one, like always. :)

So just set me straight so I don't keep wondering in the dark...I could bump into something and have a vase break on my head. Then I wouldn't be able to coach the big game...Payton would have to do it all by himself!! Ek...lapsed into a Coach episode...sorry about that...:D

-Matt

beaker

10-01-2002, 07:49 PM

Oh sorry for not clarifying my man...I was referring of course to
the Sesame HIV thread that was hijacked by some extremely disturbing extremist views. And yes, yours and Annika's thoughts on one of those related threads were well appreciated.

Chilly Down

10-01-2002, 08:01 PM

Someone help me out here. Where was it said that Snoop's scene with the EM was the only scene with the EM in the whole movie? I haven't read that in any of the articles or press releases. (It might be in one of the other Snoop threads, but there are roughly 100 of those! So if someone could point me in the right direction.) Maybe they appear somewhere else in the movie.

Something that concerns me that no one's been talking about...they said 30 MINUTES was chopped from the film. Celebrity cameos in Muppet movies are usually just limited to about 5 minutes or so. So what else was cut? Will the special now be 90 min. with commercials instead of 2 hours? And if Snoop's appareance was more than just a cameo, then how much damage was done to the comprehensibility of the plot by removing all of his scenes?

Luke

10-01-2002, 08:18 PM

Hey Tom,

Hours of movies end up on the cutting room floor in edit - my guess is that they just used 30 minutes to try to make this press release not just one about Snoop getting cut. They are trying to say that we cut thirty minutes and it just happened to include Snoops scenes - because basically they don't want to have to write a press attention attracting release that says 'we cut Snoop because we had second thoughts and realised he wasn't the right person to have cameo in our movie'. It kinda saves face for both them and for snoop.

Drtooth

10-02-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by beaker
I was referring of course to the Sesame HIV thread that was hijacked by some extremely disturbing extremist views.

OH GOD!!! please don't remind me.That was a real DISASTER!!!!! Philip Chapman had to intervine and get rid of all these posts. A lot of hate on BOTH sides of the arguement. I still wonder if that guy got kicked off the site. I read it last week, and I was so mortified by the whole experiance. GEEEZZZ!! We sure get passionate around here!

Phillip Chapman

10-02-2002, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Drtooth
I still wonder if that guy got kicked off the site.

Yes he did get banned. If anyone has any suspicions that a trouble-maker has returned please write a moderator

For about a week, I've been trying to track down the Rolling Stone pic. All the issues here are already off the shelves. Jamie found it and sent it in this morning. I've added the photo to Henson's release from last Friday since it's possible we may never see this scene.

For me, the real litmus test of this will be when we find out the length of the TV movie. Originally slated for 2 hours, if it's cut to one hour or an hour and a half, we know a lot was cut. If it remains at two hours, then we know either not as much was cut or parts were reshot. Hopefully the special won't greatly suffer if 30 minutes of cuts indeed take place.

http://www.muppetcentral.com/news/2002/092702.shtml

Warrick

10-02-2002, 11:27 AM

OH MY GOD !!

Where did that picture come from Phil ?

It seems like Janice is talking there, I sure hope so !
She also looks very The Muppet Show Janice, Not like the Puppet they used in Muppet Treasure Island.

It feels weird talking about her and saying 'Puppet'.

See ya

frogboy4

10-02-2002, 12:14 PM

The article goes on to explain Snoop's interest in turning over a new leaf and making efforts to entertain his kids through various children's projects.

Yeah, Janice looks like she is saying something. I am very disappointed that this scene has been cut. Heck, write Henson and ask them to include the scene on the DVD if it is released.

Drtooth

10-02-2002, 12:41 PM

Janice

YUCK!! it looks like the 1980's pony tail is back!

frogboy4

10-02-2002, 12:47 PM

You are right. It's things like that - that makes Henson seem really out of touch with the times. I liked the ponytail in the 80s but would it really be that hard to get a pair of scissors and snip it off. Give it to Byron. I'm sure he'd like it!

The Electric Mayhem needs to find some new threads. Not too outrageously modern, but something that is a bit more influenced by the times. They seemed to have stopped doing that 20 years ago.

Drtooth

10-02-2002, 01:11 PM

I mean, I really hate that pony tail, both in looks and significance. Since it's an eighties style, it shows the dreadful step from her going from Hippy child of the 60's to money child of the 80's!

Of course, it was a bandaid solution for her hair getting caught in her mouth!

beaker

10-02-2002, 03:41 PM

>>>I liked the ponytail in the 80s but would it really be that hard to get a pair of scissors and snip it off. Give it to Byron. I'm sure he'd like it!<<<

You guys say some of the funniest stuff!

I have a very very big feeling there could have been some really golden banter between Snoop and the Electric Mayhem...and do to some parental complaints and other red tape, we may never get to see those...not to mention the other 25 minutes that were cut. I mean bucthering MFC...releasing the two classic retelling films in pan and scan, etc....but man! Obviously these scenes arent outrageous for television or the family if they were approved and filmed.

Sounds like Rivkin and company are just trying to save face to a few outpsoken censors at the expense of art.

>>>Since it's an eighties style, it shows the dreadful step from her going from Hippy child of the 60's to money child of the 80's!<<<

funny thing is, when MTM got released on vhs in 1999 Janice looked to once again fit in with the times of the late 90's(Puma styled jogger pants with white stripe down the sides that the band Korn reintroduced)

But I agree with others...the Electric Mayhem needs a total makeover. Maybe they could give them shiny silver coats and give em that futuristic glam look? Err, maybe not.

Stryder Wolfe

10-02-2002, 03:48 PM

they shouldn't make over the Mayhem...they look good, real good.

But I dislike Janice's ponytail...not too much, but enough..they should vary...hey, why not? Sometimes I have a pony tail and sometimes I don't...why can't she?

frogboy4

10-02-2002, 04:03 PM

I'm not saying that Zoot needs some tight vinyl pants (hey, maybe Janice could) but I feel they need to go back to their classic look and make some modern accents. The Muppets have been caught in a time warp for a decade and they really need to get out of it or instead of telling the jokes, they will become the joke (i.e. Scooby Doo). And none of us wants that to happen.

beaker

10-02-2002, 04:08 PM

>>>The Muppets have been caught in a time warp for a decade and they really need to get out of it or instead of telling the jokes, they will become the joke (i.e. Scooby Doo). And none of us wants that to happen.<<<

The stuck in the time warp I feel comes from the ill concived perception that the Muppets are outdated, and a product of the seventies(ie: 'the nostalgia syndrome')

frogboy4

10-02-2002, 04:10 PM

Exactly what I was saying. It does not help when characters have very 80s retro looks that could easily be updated.

Janice & Mokey's Man

10-02-2002, 08:25 PM

OMGOMG, PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE do not tell me that I am so so sooooooooooooooooo close to hearin' my "Muppet Show" gal speak once again after years of silence (except for the recent video game), only to be stomped on and laughed at!!

Really!

Do not!

:(

*SIGH*

And she looked so lively in the picture on the press release page...*sniff*

If there's a scene with Andy & Randy Pig over Janice and/or the EM, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOo gonna boycott these so-called "editors"...

:mad:

And I can do it, too! Just ask Jackie! LOL!!

Janice & Mokey's Man

10-02-2002, 08:32 PM

Wow, I had no idea there were Muppet fans so passionate over the ponytail, lol... :p

While I prefer the "classic Janice" straight-haired "spaghetti" look, the pony-tail doesn't bother me; it's just not my favored of the two.

Cory, are you sure that was a bandaid solution to Janice gettin' her hair caught in her mouth sometimes?? That'd be kinda funny if that were the reason---but I can't help think it would have been more of a "style update" for her. Besides, I thought Janice chewin' her hair was a cute li'l "Muppetism", lol...didn't happen a whole lot, but it was cool when it did---especially when Richard puppeteered her so that she took it out of her mouth with her hand, LOL! (There's one "Vet's Hospital" where that rully happens in a big way)

Anyway, with all the Hollywood gals shellin' out loads of dough to straighten their hair long and thin, ironically, Janice's TMS look would apparently be the most modern thing she could have right now! Lol!

I think I'd be scared to see her hair change much more... :eek:

Chilly Down

10-02-2002, 11:11 PM

Modernizing the characters should be done with caution. I really don't care to see a grunge Floyd or a Zoot with a nose ring. That would only make them seem dated when the movie is watched 5-10 years from now.

Granted, the Mayhem's original clothing styles were based on '60s and '70s styles, so maybe a slight alteration is in order. But being truly fashionable might change the look of the characters too much. To be really accurate to today's styles, Floyd should shave his moustache and cut off his ponytail! Now who here wants to see THAT? :) Keep in mind that Muppet fans have never stopped complaining since Piggy changed from her classic look in the late 70s/early 80s. It doesn't matter to fans that she's more fashionable now--she doesn't look like Piggy to us! I feel the same thing would happen with the Mayhem.

Look at the Peanuts characters. They maintained the same type of clothing that was common to kids in the '50s right up to the end of its run in 2000. Look at Donald Duck--he wears a type of sailor's outfit that the Navy hasn't used for decades! Puppets and cartoon characters can get away with more, in terms of keeping the same wardrobe, because people so heavily associate them with it. (For that matter, most cartoon characters never seem to bother to change their clothes at all!) ;-)

Conversely, Jim seemed to feel that the Mayhem was getting too dated. His solution was simply to stop featuring them. (Remember, there was a different band for The Jim Henson Hour.) Me, I'm just happy to see the Mayhem back (or not, when their scenes get edited!). And for the record, I was just fine--thrilled, in fact--when Floyd showed up at MuppetFest in his Sgt. Pepper's outfit.

Then again, I haven't changed my outfit since the 70's either. Whaddya mean, "what's that smell"? ;-)

frogboy4

10-02-2002, 11:55 PM

I don't think anyone is saying what you propose. I think everyone would be against that.

I proposed that they turn back the clock to their classic look and make minor alterations rather than going in a totally different direction.

Janice could actually be rather radical in her clothing selection (it's a woman thing), but the rest should stay true to thier roots. Right now they are wearing 80s updates of thier classic look. That just seems lazy to me. Where do you buy Muppet clothes anyway? LOL (Yes, I know they make them):)

Phillip Chapman

10-03-2002, 07:43 AM

Here's another story...

Snoop Gets Smacked Down By Kermit The Frog
From MTV News

Snoop Dogg has left the green behind, and now, the green has left him too.

The multi-platinum rapper says he hasn't smoked marijuana in several weeks, and yet despite this recent move toward a more "family-friendly" D-o-double-g, Snoop is apparently no longer welcome around Kermit the Frog.

Snoop's brief appearance in the made-for-television "It's a Very Muppet Christmas Movie" has been dropped from the final cut, according to a statement issued by the Jim Henson Company. And despite the company's insistence that the cameo was excised because it "did not advance [the show's] story line," an Islamic activist group is claiming responsibility for the change.

"Snoop has openly advocated the use of drugs, he financially supported a pornographic video and he writes and performs music that is both sexually explicit and violent," explained Imam Najee Ali, director of the Los Angeles-based Project Islamic Hope. "This is not the image that our children should be exposed to in a Muppets [show]."

Ali claims that it was his group's threat of an NBC boycott — which the organization made public via the syndicated Larry Elder Show four days before the Muppet folks' announcement — that prompted the show's producers to make the cut. He also credits conservative television host Bill O'Reilly, who railed against the planned cameo last week.

A spokesperson for the Jim Henson Company, however, countered that the Henson press release went out prior to any of the public criticism of Snoop, and added it went to Bill O'Reilly before his story ran.

"They're embarrassed that they had to cave in to public pressure," Ali reasoned. "No corporation wants to be perceived as weak, they want to be perceived as strong ... and not giving in to threats from protesters. Our actions, as well as Mr. O'Reilly's ... we were the catalyst."

A representative for Snoop Dogg declined to comment.

Though he doesn't mind sharing credit with O'Reilly, Ali was quick to point out that he'd prefer not to be associated with the TV personality's viewpoints on other issues, such as the recent debate sparked by O'Reilly concerning Pepsi and rapper Ludacris (see "Ludacris Barks Back At Pepsi, O'Reilly; P-Roach Antics Not An Issue For Soda Giant").

"I'm not going to support someone really targeting hip-hop from the outside," he said. "Our generation needs to be the ones that have a say in hip-hop, not music outsiders like O'Reilly and C. Delores Tucker and other conservatives.

"Had Snoop not made the porno video we probably would have just taken a pass and not bothered with it," he continued, adding that he once watched the "first five minutes" of the "Doggystyle" video for research purposes. "It was just so graphic and so hardcore that I had to say something about this, being an activist who's also a religious leader."

This isn't Ali's first offensive against Snoop. Project Islamic Hope claimed responsibility for having Snoop's Los Angeles radio show removed from KKBT last year.

"We're definitely trying to [gain] some momentum," Ali said. "We're going to be organizing a conference nationwide. We're trying to ask the rappers to clean up the music as far as lyrical content. We feel they contribute to black-on-black crime. It's kind of tricky because we don't want to be perceived as censors. We want artists to take more responsibility."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457903/20021002/snoop_dogg.jhtml?headlines=true

Drtooth

10-03-2002, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
OMGOMG, PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE do not tell me that I am so so sooooooooooooooooo close to hearin' my "Muppet Show" gal speak once again after years of silence (except for the recent video game), only to be stomped on and laughed at!!

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL!!!! I mean... "rully." I have seen Dr. Teeth make a comeback (in the "WE are Family" video), but no Janice? I mean, giving them those corny bit parts in the last three movies was kinda sad. Specially since mostly, they didn't talk (Dr. Teeth said SHalom in MFS, while at least Animal, Zoot, and Floyd got to say a line).

But to bring it up, Corey didn't come up with the Hair Hypothesis (the addition of pony tail to stop hair in her mouth), I did.

I just don't want to see them updated any more. Rully!!!

Stryder Wolfe

10-03-2002, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Chilly Down
To be really accurate to today's styles, Floyd should shave his moustache and cut off his ponytail!

[jokey indignant voice]HEY! I gots a mustache and a ponytail! Are you saying I'm not fashionable?!?!? [/jokey indignant voice]

:D

seriously thouhg, some very minor alterations would be kay, but really, for the mayhem at least, that sort of 60's style never REALLY goes out...it fades a bit, bu always comes back..Clifford looks WAAAY more dated as "muppet arsenio" but the Electric Mayhem are timeless!

Chilly Down

10-03-2002, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by frogboy4

I proposed that they turn back the clock to their classic look and make minor alterations rather than going in a totally different direction.

OK. Sorry, guess I misunderstood then. With all this talk about "they're stuck in a time warp," I got the impression that people wanted to see a very 2002 Mayhem, and that was what I was against.

Janice could actually be rather radical in her clothing selection (it's a woman thing), but the rest should stay true to thier roots. Right now they are wearing 80s updates of thier classic look. That just seems lazy to me.

I always liked 80s fashion and hope it'll be returning soon . . . but yes, the characters should not wear something that looks dated rather than classic or contemporary.

Where do you buy Muppet clothes anyway? LOL (Yes, I know they make them):)

Silly. You buy Muppet clothes at the Muppet Gap, or the Muppet Old Navy, or (in Sweetums' case) at the Muppet Big, Tall and Hairy! ;-)

frogboy4

10-03-2002, 02:21 PM

Oh...poor Sweetums. THat's why he always wears the same thing - except on the Paula Abdul ep of Muppets Tonight. EEEEEEk!

beaker

10-03-2002, 07:36 PM

Very sad how due to a few vocal groups Janice' perhaps only speaking role in the film was cut.

>>>Modernizing the characters should be done with caution. I really don't care to see a grunge Floyd or a Zoot with a nose ring. That would only make them seem dated when the movie is watched 5-10 years from now.<<<

Oh, I dont think theyd give them a 'grunge' makeover...as that in of itself is ten years obsolete.

>>>Keep in mind that Muppet fans have never stopped complaining since Piggy changed from her classic look in the late 70s/early 80s. It doesn't matter to fans that she's more fashionable now--she doesn't look like Piggy to us! I feel the same thing would happen with the Mayhem.<<<

Judging from the recent Muppetisms and Dennys commercials, I think Piggy looks better than ever. She looked rather grotesque in a lot of the late 70's(ie: See Frawleye test era Piggy)

Look at the Peanuts characters. They maintained the same type of clothing that was common to kids in the '50s right up to the end of its run in 2000. Look at Donald Duck--he wears a type of sailor's outfit that the Navy hasn't used for decades! Puppets and cartoon characters can get away with more, in terms of keeping the same wardrobe, because people so heavily associate them with it. (For that matter, most cartoon characters never seem to bother to change their clothes at all!) ;-)<<<

Yes, but thats the different between the Muppets and animated cartoons. You cant go to a convention or a set and 'meet' Mickeyt, Donald or Charlie Brown(unless its some teenaged kid in a giant suit)

>>>I always liked 80s fashion and hope it'll be returning soon . . . but yes, the characters should not wear something that looks dated rather than classic or contemporary.<<<

rolled up sleeves, broad shouldered business suit jackets, skinny ties, mesh football jereseys, olivia newton john styled leg warmers and sweats, cutoff ac/dc shirts, etc? As much as people our age romaticize the glorious 80's, there was quite a few blistering painful fashion faux paus.

Chilly Down

10-03-2002, 09:00 PM

<<Oh, I dont think theyd give them a 'grunge' makeover...as that in of itself is ten years obsolete.>>

Yeah, I couldn't think of the right word for it. I so couldn't care less what the current fashion trend is, I didn't even know what to call it.

<<Judging from the recent Muppetisms and Dennys commercials, I think Piggy looks better than ever. She looked rather grotesque in a lot of the late 70's(ie: See Frawleye test era Piggy)>>

Well, you're one of the few who feel that way (though you're certainly entitled to that opinion). Actually, I don't have strong feelings on the subject either way. I just thought it was ironic that who people who decried changes to Piggy's appearance seemed to be advocating a wholesale revamping of the Mayhem. (Apparently I misunderstood what people were saying, though.)

<<Yes, but thats the different between the Muppets and animated cartoons. You cant go to a convention or a set and 'meet' Mickeyt, Donald or Charlie Brown(unless its some teenaged kid in a giant suit)>>

I disagree. I think in general, people tend to look at cartoons, puppets, clay characters, CGI characters, etc. pretty much the same way. I have yet to have one person say to me, "Man, I like the Muppets, but when's that Floyd gonna get a new outfit?" (I'm talking about average people, of course, not the wonderfully obssessive group of people here that I'm proud to be a part of.) :)

<<rolled up sleeves, broad shouldered business suit jackets, skinny ties, mesh football jereseys, olivia newton john styled leg warmers and sweats, cutoff ac/dc shirts, etc? As much as people our age romaticize the glorious 80's, there was quite a few blistering painful fashion faux paus.>>

Well, every decade has its fashion faux paus. I'm not saying the Flock of Seagulls haircut should come back or anything. :rolleyes: But I prefer most of the fashions of the 80's (when guys looked like Micheal J. Fox and girls looked like Cyndi Lauper) to the fashions of the 90's (when guys looked like Kurt Kobain and girls looked like Alanis Morisette).

I'm painting in broad strokes here, folks. I know that isn't a 100% accurate picture of things. And I'm not down on anyone who likes those looks. As a child of the 80's, I just felt the need to defend my beloved decade. :) Thanks for your comments, Cory!

frogboy4

10-03-2002, 09:32 PM

Ahhh. You got Cyndi in there didn't you? LOL! Actually, I think she provides the perfect solution. She doesn't look exactly like she did in the 80s but still very much in the same spirit. Slightly more modern version of her classic look.

I just love that magazine pic of her during her pregnancy a few years back. She was walking out of a guitar case with purple hair,. a stroller and a big disco ball painted on her exposed very pregnant stomach. I guess moms want to have fun too!

Zack the Dog

10-03-2002, 10:31 PM

Hi guys, i just heard earlier this night on that fox news Factor show about snoop being cut from the muppet movie, there was a little talk about it, nothing really about the muppets but just that snoop was cut and on reasons why.

i didn't see thay photo off snoop and janice and floyd untill today! that's sooo cool! i completly understand the reason for the cut, in which i hope it's not 30 min, but i actualy feelbad, mean i don't like snoop or anything, and i really didn't like the fact that he was going to be in the movie, i just it's about how he was excited about doing the shot and about his kids and stuff, plus new EM and other fottage they we may never see, i doubt it was be on the dvd or video release, i kinda have this feeling this movie won't even come to DVD or video, it's just a feeling thought, it's a bad one then...;-)

everyone lets sing a song!

"why are there so many muppet christmas specails with cuts in them, and will they ever be complete?" LOL!

hey did you know kermit made a cameo on Jepordey tonight?!?!small one, not live, it was just for a question...answer, treasure Island....

I haven't been on the fourm for weeks!

Luke

10-04-2002, 03:49 AM

Hey Zack,

Welcome back to the forum - you've been missed. I can understand some of the reasons behind the cut too, though as has been said, i hope the good scenes from those that were cut have been re-written and re-shot.

DrGoshposh

10-04-2002, 10:11 AM

Article from the LA Times.

Scott

Rapper Cut From Film; Activist Takes Credit

Rapper Snoop Dogg has been edited out of an upcoming Muppets TV movie, and an African American activist is taking credit for the removal.

Najee Ali, head of Los Angeles-based Project Islamic Hope, said he pressured the Jim Henson Co. to take Snoop Dogg out of NBC's "A Very Merry Muppet Christmas" because of the rapper's pro-drug persona and his involvement with several pornographic video projects.

Henson executives said that the editing of Snoop Dogg's appearance had nothing to do with Ali's protest. "As commonly occurs during this stage of production, we have had to cut several scenes originally planned for the movie which did not advance its story line," the company said in a statement.

Insiders familiar with the Henson Co. acknowledged that although Snoop Dogg's footage would have been cut because the movie was running long, executives were also concerned about information they learned recently that the rapper is planning to release another triple X-rated video this fall.

Drtooth

10-04-2002, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Chilly Down
But I prefer most of the fashions of the 80's (when guys looked like Micheal J. Fox and girls looked like Cyndi Lauper) !

Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Cyndi Lauper looked like Grungetta on Sesame Street?

Cantus' Ghost

10-04-2002, 02:41 PM

It is refreshing to see some social opposition to the Muppets... even if it completely ridiculous. Nothin' wrong with a little anarchy. Fight the power, green person and glamour-pig!

As For Bill O'Reilly: someone please rid the world of this idiot who constantly spews off about rap music (which, of course, he knows nothing about) and ignores every piece of news relevant to the working class.

Zack the Dog

10-05-2002, 03:24 PM

Thanks Luke

"Henson executives said that the editing of Snoop Dogg's appearance had nothing to do with Ali's protest. "As commonly occurs during this stage of production, we have had to cut several scenes originally planned for the movie which did not advance its story line," the company said in a statement."

that kinda just seems like a cover up, i think it has to deal with everything, heres a the funny thing thought, i saw last night an ad for a "girls gone wild" video hosted by snoop dog....

i can understand the reason for the cut, i don't think henson has to hide it when it's already out, i also think there there will most likey be another EM sceen in the show so we will here janice if they have replaced her voice.

Zack)Rowlf the, no snoop in this dog, unless it's snoopy.,Dog

Janice & Mokey's Man

10-05-2002, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
i also think there there will most likey be another EM sceen in the show so we will here janice if they have replaced her voice.

*sigh*

I just wish it coulda been me...my heart and vocal chords would sooooooooooooo be into it...

:(

beaker

10-05-2002, 07:00 PM

>>> (I'm talking about average people, of course, not the wonderfully obssessive group of people here that I'm proud to be a part of.) <<<

Here here!

>>>I'm painting in broad strokes here, folks. I know that isn't a 100% accurate picture of things. And I'm not down on anyone who likes those looks. As a child of the 80's, I just felt the need to defend my beloved decade. Thanks for your comments, Cory!

Hey Tom, ya dont have to defend the 80's with me, as I wish I could take a time machine back to the 80's! I grew up in that magical glorious time(before the 1990's rolled around and crushed the magic and splendor) and agree...the 80's fashion looks the least embarassing compared to the horrificly baaaaab 70's. How virtually every girl wearing bell bottoms came back into fashion is beyond me.

I just wish theyd put 'That 80's Show' back on tv!

Crazy Harry

10-05-2002, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by beaker
I just wish they'd put 'That 80's Show' back on tv!
Quiet, they might hear you.

Cantus Rock

10-06-2002, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Crazy Harry
Quiet, they might hear you.

Hehehehehehe...something tells me the "That 80's Show" head people don't rock out with the Muppets, so its probably safe to have that posted.

I also wish I could go back to the 80's. Me, my VCR, and 10,000 blank videos, would have the time of our lives. :D

-Matt

beaker

10-06-2002, 04:23 PM

>>>Hehehehehehe...something tells me the "That 80's Show" head people don't rock out with the Muppets, so its probably safe to have that posted.

I also wish I could go back to the 80's. Me, my VCR, and 10,000 blank videos, would have the time of our lives.<<<

The big problem I had with that 80's show is 1) Its a spinoff idea of that 70's show 2) Doesnt have the chemistry 70's show has 3) takes place in 1984, years before the 80's really had a flavor to develop.

It should have taken place in the glorious year of 1989.
And Cantus, we dont have to go back to the 80's to recapture that magical time. With you and everyones help, we can bring about the feel and specialness of that decade starting next year.

Not just some 'sporatic momentary 80's nostalgic trip' like this heman/thundercats/gi joe hokum...but a true revival of the seehr intensity and wonderment.

And people are starting to get the message. After more thna half a decade of crappy 3d games, companies are starting to go back to an updated idea on the 2d side scroller(ie: contra Shattered Soldier out soon for PS2) Fox next year will have a new TMNT show and Muppets Show.

There's even word of a possible new Muppet comic, a 20th annv of Fraggle Rock celebration, and other miraculously cool stuff.

So indeed, hopefully the rad times will be back.

Drtooth

10-07-2002, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by beaker

The big problem I had with that 80's show is 1) Its a spinoff idea of that 70's show 2) Doesnt have the chemistry 70's show has 3) takes place in 1984, years before the 80's really had a flavor to develop.

I just didn't like it, and I don't think it was that good. Plus there was no Kelso and Fez. I mean come on!!!!!

Though I like the 80's some what, there are things I can't abide that are coming back, greed, bad economy, Bush in the white house, Care bears...ugh!!! But in turn, we have the classic games of the 80-'s, like Donkey Kong, DK Junior, and Mario Brothers (orignial) making combacks on this /clever little card reading device called an E-reader for GBA. I know, but this is the best I could come up with at 9:46, during a break in my class!

Chilly Down

10-07-2002, 09:17 AM

<<So indeed, hopefully the rad times will be back.>>

I'm all for that, Cory! :) I loved just about everything from the 1980s. Politically I'm pretty conservative, so the Reagan/Bush years were good ones in my mind. I also think that, while video games look and sound better than ever, they're just not as much FUN as they used to be back then. Some great movies came out in the 80s, from Empire and Jedi to the Indiana Jones trilogy to Back to the Future to The Goonies...I could go on and on. (And that's not even counting Muppet stuff.) The music from that period was fabulous too.

I agree that '89 was a cool year, but there'd be no way they'd be able to have a long-running series set in the '80s if they set it in the final year of that decade! The main problem with "That 80's Show," I think, is that it wasn't just a continuation of the other show. Think about it: "That 70's Show" started in the mid-1970s. They've been on the air for five years now, enough to get into syndicated reruns. Why not just have the final episode of "That 70's Show" be a New Year's party set in 1979, and then next week would be the first episode of "That 80's Show" with the same characters? That's what I thought was going to happen when "80s Show" was first announced, and that's what seemed to make the most sense. Instead they gave us a bunch of new characters that no one cared about, and "70's Show" seems like it's implausibly going to stay in the 70's forever.