MuppetFest: Discuss Original and Your Dreams [Archive]

Fozzie Bear

01-04-2006, 05:25 PM

There were possibilities of a MuppetFest in 2003, but those plans fell through after company changes at both Creation and JHC. Now, of course, it will all be up to Disney's MHC. There for a little while, I hoped JHC would do it again while they were still in good cahoots with SW (then CTW) but after the sale to Diz, I doubt there'll be a possibility of a cross-over!

There were about 45 threads with the same question and only about 2 posts on each topic!

I think for the sake of saving confusion, though, I'll merge and lock all those other threads and keep this one open for the discussion of the one and only MuppetFest and discussions of future possibilities.

There are 3 different possibilities here: 1) Corporate run convention by Disney/MHC, 2) Fan Run Convention (but it would require folks from MHC/JHC/SW to be successful), 3) Muppet Central Fest where everyone just gets together and goofs off all weekend.

theprawncracker

01-04-2006, 05:49 PM

zns

01-04-2006, 06:01 PM

We just gotta keep believing is all.;)

Buck-Beaver

01-04-2006, 07:34 PM

I think - and this is just pure speculation - that the best we can hope for would be some kind of event at the Disney theme parks similar to the Star Wars Weekends. That would seem to be the most likely thing to do, but who knows?

MrsPepper

01-04-2006, 10:19 PM

Good ideas Foz, but I doubt Number 3 would work considering our wide fan base in so many different countries. I mean, what would an MC Fest be without Beauregard, DanDanStrawberry, Vibs, etc.?

Yeah. To get some of the people you mentioned, prawnie, and others on top of that, you and me included, we'd have to wait a few years until most of us are out of school and somewhat financially independant, since quite a few of the regular posters are students.
Also, location would be impossible, if it were just us goofing off for the weekend. Though I do think that would be the most plausible choice. I still wanna do it!! :halo: Even if I can't go, some people should plan it.

muppetperson

01-05-2006, 04:02 AM

This thread pops up regularly. There are no new answers.

Yes, there was talk of another Muppetfest. Yes, that was a while ago. Yes, Disney owning the Muppets changes everything. Some of the Henson folk seemed to enjoy Muppetfest and showed interest in another. It isn't up to them, now. Will Disney decide to hold a Muppet fan convention? Maybe. Maybe not. No way for us to know.

If Disney does decide to hold a Muppet convention, you can be sure it will be announced and well publicized here.
It is interesting when you say some of the Henson folk enjoyed Muppetfest and showed interest in another.But when you think about it,there was never a fan convention of that magnitude under Henson ownership.Although it was the Jim Henson Company at the time,it was being managed by EMtv in Germany.As for another Muppetfest,I hope Disney will put more effort into it than what they did at the Disneyanna convention to re lauch The Muppets.I beleive there was only 2 Muppets there.:sympathy:

Vic Romano

01-05-2006, 07:50 AM

Perhaps Muppetfest would haqppen easier if it were instead a Hensonfest. It'd be real tongue-in-cheek as far as "not mentioning" the Muppets or SS, but I'm sure there'd be a way around it. Wink wink. ;)

Fozzie Bear

01-09-2006, 05:31 PM

Well, for a HensonFest I would prefer a FRAGGLEFEST! LOL!! Seriously, though, there could be a HensonFest for all the Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, and Fraggle Fans!

MuppetQuilter

01-09-2006, 09:57 PM

Fozzie Bear

01-10-2006, 09:51 AM

Yeah. The sad thing is that there won't be any more cross-overs in the movies or TV specials. I always loved when SS showed up with The Muppets.

Good ideas Foz, but I doubt Number 3 would work considering our wide fan base in so many different countries. I mean, what would an MC Fest be without Beauregard, DanDanStrawberry, Vibs, etc.?

And I doubt that MHC would have a merger con with JHC and SW. But as said at Palisades, "Anything is Possible!"

They'd all have to just find a way down...but, it wouldn't be worth anybody's time (even if they're close) to make a fan based trip without someone from MHC/JHC/SW and some characters "on hand."

Vic Romano

01-10-2006, 09:55 AM

Well MC and TP are the biggest fan sites around, so I'm sure there'd be some kind of sponsorship as well maybe?

Fozzie Bear

01-10-2006, 09:58 AM

For me, I'd love to have all the folks from MC and TP together. I'd be like the trash-heap bringing the Fraggles and the Gorgs together! LOL!! Only kidding of course, but I have friends at TP that I love as well as here.

beaker

01-17-2006, 06:34 PM

I would be shocked if Sesame Workshop wasn't willing to work with the Henson folk if they wanted to do a Hensonfest. There wasn't a lot of Sesame at Muppetfest, but Elmo was there. The trick (beyond convincing someone with the power to make it happen and finding a way to make it profitable) would be getting MHC to work with the others. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Yeah a Hensonfest would be pretty awkward, given they seem to be heavy on history revisionism. The closest we may ever see I believe will be a Muppet themed day at a Disney theme park...and, if that happens, will Muppet fans from all over attend? I know I'd be there, wherever it'd be held.

Isn't it funny how they have(or had) a couple big Farscape cons a year? Farscape, a Brian Henson show that lasted a couple years, has way more of a big internet fandom/fanbase than the freaking Muppets/Sesame Street? This is sad, and as of 2006...Muppet fandom, as I said back in 1998 on here, is underground.

Yeah. The sad thing is that there won't be any more cross-overs in the movies or TV specials. I always loved when SS showed up with The Muppets.

Yeah EMTV put an end to that in 2000.

As it stands:

The Muppets, Bear in the Big Blue House=Disney
Sesame Street=Sesame Workshop
Fraggle Rock, Animal Jam, Hoobs, etc etc=JHC with HIT, etc.

Is it possible that there simply is no more interest in our beloved characters? Or is it just poor script writing, poo ideas, and no ambition to get em out there anymore?

Perhaps Muppetfest would haqppen easier if it were instead a Hensonfest. It'd be real tongue-in-cheek as far as "not mentioning" the Muppets or SS, but I'm sure there'd be a way around it. Wink wink. ;)

That would be quite lame...as we've seen form recent Henson mini film fests, they seem to omit anything mentioning the Muppets. That's like the Pope not mentioning anything Catholic. JHC is and will always be the Muppets.

beaker

01-17-2006, 06:36 PM

Yeah. To get some of the people you mentioned, prawnie, and others on top of that, you and me included, we'd have to wait a few years until most of us are out of school and somewhat financially independant, since quite a few of the regular posters are students.
Also, location would be impossible, if it were just us goofing off for the weekend. Though I do think that would be the most plausible choice. I still wanna do it!! :halo: Even if I can't go, some people should plan it.

And you'd have me too! It'd be quite spiffy and rad to meet all of you who have come onto MC since 2001! I think no matter where it'd be held, it's be a pretty fun and exciting geek out adventure.

Fozzie Bear

01-17-2006, 08:40 PM

Well, if it were a fan run convention I bet that, with the right sponsorships, certain individuals from the production companies would be available.

You have to pay for their round-trip fare, hotel, and food.

Infinity Sirius

01-30-2006, 08:07 PM

Well, what if we petitioned Disney and/or JHC and/or SW? Or maybe we could just hold a fan convention, find some sponsors, do advertising, get some guests, and book a hotel or convention center.

Look at all the comic book, Star Wars, anime, sci-fi, and other fandom conventions that are fanbased and are run by fans for the fans. Why couldn't we do something like that?

Fozzie Bear

01-31-2006, 09:13 AM

There is a LOT of hard work and planning to get this all pulled together for a full-fledged fan-base-run convention. Just even the simple Southeastern Chapter of the NCS meeting we organized in October '05 was a LOT of work.

Maybe if there were a committee to do this?

dwayne1115

01-31-2006, 09:38 AM

i really think we need to frome a muppet centeral comettie. One to setup metteings have like a leader bord Phil cant do it all. this site has grown so much i think we need it. That way we would be able to really do somthing like a muppetfest, or anything else. You know what would be neat haveing an yearly muppet central get to gether not just about muppets but our fun and games and puppetering abd all of it. We could have some diffrent kind of booths setup and what not. We could also do a muppet cental e mail thing that dont just give news bulletens but like a bi weekly cool little e mail what you think. I have lots more good ideahs e mail me if anyon is interested. Lets make this the best and biggest fan based web site out there.

Infinity Sirius

02-10-2006, 08:59 PM

I think we already are.;)

dwayne1115

02-26-2006, 02:51 AM

you know what i mean like a (fan-based) muppetFest commetie. gee i thought that was clear.

Infinity Sirius

02-26-2006, 12:41 PM

You know what would be fun? If we had an amatuar night and anyone who was a puppeteer could go up, but it would be an open mike and several people at once could go up and play off one another.

Fozzie Bear

02-27-2006, 08:02 AM

We are working on a convention/symposium this fall for cartooning. Let me see how that all works out and maybe we can discuss this Muppet thing in detail?

unclematt

05-17-2006, 11:46 AM

If this committee goes anywhere I would really like to be a part of it. There are so many of us regulars that visit Muppet Central on a consistant basis and really care about the Muppets and it fans that I could totally see us pulling this off and maybe even introducing new people to MC. Honestly, I would be happy with just a Muppet Central get together. I would love to meet you all. I think it would be so much fun.

Fozzie Bear

05-17-2006, 12:49 PM

I'll be posting about it here if I do anything.

BTW: This fall's symposium is at www.con-sequential.com, ya'll.

unclematt

05-26-2006, 03:32 PM

Fozzie, do you have any time of time frame for this project?

Fozzie Bear

05-28-2006, 04:20 PM

Sorry, I have no idea.

Thing is, there would have to be some dedicated and committed people willing to attend wherever it is held because if we do it I want someone from the Henson World to be a part of things, and also those of us who have been inspired to create by all that to have panels about comic books/strips and puppetry. In order for those folks to come down after their invitiation, it would cost money so funds would have to be made for guests hotel, food, and travel by attendee fees.

Of course, there could be the possibility of getting someone else involved, too, like Movies.com or Coca-Cola or Ford to help back such an event. Just things to consider.

I'm so busy right now with my own stuff and Con-Sequential that there's just no time to focus on a convention of someone else's work right now.

I keep saying it, but "Maybe after October I can begin seriously considering some things." And as fast as time flies, that'll be in two weeks! :)

beaker

05-31-2006, 05:18 AM

There seriously needs to be a Muppet/Henson related con in the summer of 2007. 52 years of Muppets, I mean c'mon! Wherever it is held, from Toledo to Tunisia I shall be there! But I agree, there needs to be some Muppet/Henson big names as well as sponsors.

Fozzie Bear

05-31-2006, 07:38 AM

Well, sponsors will help cover a lot of the costs. And it just isn't worth doing if we can't get some of the good folks from Henson History--Dave, Jerry, Bill, Steve, Eric, David, Brian, or whoever.

I have coined a name already for this and working up a design for the logo of the thing, so it could also include Kevin Clash and Carroll Spinney and other SS performers, too.

I have big ideas, carrying them out just seems to take a while to get there. And money. If I had the money needed to do what I want to do I'd be dangereuse!

ChellisPal

05-31-2006, 07:54 AM

Hey Fozzie,
I have some good ideas too, and being close to the NY area I have met a few folks who worked w the Hensons, and am close to the offices of SW so maybe I can give u a hand in getting things together....PM me

Fozzie Bear

05-31-2006, 04:02 PM

Thanks. I'm WAY too busy to even start anything right now. If I do anything it will be after October. Between now and then I have several conventions and events, and am planning Con-Sequential for October, so the opportunity for me to do any work or foot work is ... none.

Obviously, I will appreciate all help when that time comes. Finally, if, when the time comes to do this, anybody has some previous experience making such event plans that would be appreciated.

Like I said, nothing will even begin being planned until after October.

MrsPepper

05-31-2006, 08:10 PM

If I had the money needed to do what I want to do I'd be dangereuse!

... Would you be dangeresque?!?

;)

Back on topic, I am thrilled that even the smallest bit of planning is going into this (whatever and wherever this may be)! I will totally be there, no doot aboot it.
And Kev, good luck with everything else you are planning!

Fozzie Bear

05-31-2006, 10:11 PM

Thanks, Mrs. Pepper.

Right now, I'm actually wearing myself out getting ready to go to Metropolis, IL, on June 8-11. I've got to make 3 new sets of hands for Muley, do some more art, I'm working on 2 different Muley Comix and Stories books, and SOOO much more.

Your good wishes will help me make them all good!

unclematt

06-01-2006, 10:19 AM

As MrsPepper said I am so glad that some serious thought is going into this. When we have talked in the past it seemed like there was no one that could take charge of such an emmense project. It feels so good to know that someone will have the time (after October) to take on the project. Thank you Fozzie Bear.

Fozzie Bear

06-01-2006, 05:01 PM

Well, you know I'm gonna be honest: If I do this it's going to be en passe for me because I have so much going on--however, if I do this I'll be pulling folks together to help pull it off.

unclematt

06-02-2006, 11:21 AM

Fozzie I will absolutely do what I can to help this become a reality.

Fozzie Bear

06-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Hmm...with all the offers of help on this I'm starting to consider this more than a possibility of a project to undertake.

beaker

06-14-2006, 07:57 PM

In 2007 there HAS to be some sort of Muppet related gathering. *somehwere*
to let yet another year pass since 2001 without one would be a shame.

Fozzie Bear

06-14-2006, 11:08 PM

I've been thinking, gang, and here's what goes:

The name I thought of, to encompass EVERYTHING we know and love:

HensonFest

First, JHC, SW, and Diz all have to be willing to allow fans to do such a convention.

Second, it's just not worth doing unless performers and people from throughout Henson History make appearances.

Third, MONEY MONEY MONEY! Part of the funds comes from entry fees, another set of funds come from Sponsors. What are you funding? Space, guest rooms, guest travel expenses, guest food, advertising expenses, and mroe.

Fourth, someone has to convince sponsors to donate and get their names on programs, posters, etc; plus someone has to convince a hotel/community college to participate and donate space and rooms to guests.

Fifth, programming: Panel discussions are fine with the guest, but what else is of interest? Obviously we could show Henson-related movies, DVDs, etc (with permission of JHC, SW, and Diz), but would people be interested in puppet shows performed by attendees? Puppetry based discussions not related to The Muppets? Will either of the 3 companies, or all 3 companies, supply items for an exhibition of sorts?

Sixth, where? What's a good single location where everyone can come together that's inexpensive for travel and lodging? Obviously, I would want it in Memphis with a free day set aside for a trip down to Greenville, MS, to see the Jim Henson Museum down there; someone will want it in California next to the JHC and Diz; someone will want it in NYC next to Sesame Street's filming location; someone will want it in England, Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Mexico, and just about any other place.

There's soooo much to have to consider in all this that I doubt seriously anything would honestly be planned that could make everybody happy; much less the possibility of getting permission from all 3 companies to create an event like this. Time-wise and monetarily speaking it's too much work without the pre-produced funds necessary to get something like this off the ground.

However, there is another option:
1) Puppeteers of America hosts the PuppetFest each year.
2) Some other kind of Puppet Convention with a small emphasis to celebrate Jim Henson which MIGHT bring someone from Henson History down.

The second part of that I've been greatly considering, but first I would want to create a small puppetry organization (not unlike the Mid-South Cartoonists Association) to be host of the symposium. I also considered doing that second type of convention and offering Muley as host/emcee of the weekend.

I dunno--these are all things I keep considering over and over again in my head hoping something will pop (not physically, of course--that'd be bad for me to have something pop in my head). Whenever the GREAT BIG idea hits, you can bet I'll work toward bringing it to reality.

In the meantime, I'm barely keeping up on my Muley work, much less that of someone else's.

Also, I imagine whenever they want to do it the fine people at Diz, JHC, or SW will bring it together for us.

beaker

06-16-2006, 01:41 PM

Also, I imagine whenever they want to do it the fine people at Diz, JHC, or SW will bring it together for us.

That's what Im banking on...and in fact Im surprised Disney hasnt done one yet, like the Disney World Star Wars Celebration. I would be at Disneyland or WDW is a nanosecond if they had a weekend like that, but ONLY if some of the actual muppets and performers were there.

Muppet Matt

06-16-2006, 03:56 PM

Which Muppeteers were at Muppetfest? I wasn't there.:(

Fozzie Bear

06-17-2006, 09:10 AM

All of the main ones, and their families.

Muppet Matt

06-17-2006, 09:31 AM

Was Frank there?

MeepBorkMeep

06-17-2006, 09:34 AM

Not that I heard. He might have gone undercover, but he wasn't in the panel. And they said he couldn't be there.

Fozzie Bear

06-17-2006, 07:00 PM

By MuppetFest he was basically 'not' working with The Muppets anymore, so no. Everyone else was, though, who worked for the Muppets full time at that time.

For more information and photos, go to the MuppetFest article in the articles section of Muppet Central. You'll feel like you were there!

beaker

11-18-2006, 05:55 AM

So...anyone predict a sizable Muppet fan gathering for 2007?

...or not so much?

MeepBorkMeep

11-18-2006, 07:26 AM

I predict it.

But I don't know anything at all about it.

Except that one would be nice.

travellingpat

11-18-2006, 10:46 AM

Im hoping so but hmm I doubt itll happen

but i reallllllly hope so

unclematt

11-20-2006, 03:56 PM

I pray every year and discuss on here about it but it never seems to come to fruition.

BEAR

11-20-2006, 04:33 PM

Can someone explain to me a little more about what Muppetfest is about? I've never been to one but I think it would be so fun. Is it a Muppet Central arranged thing or what? Who organizes something like this?

Vic Romano

11-20-2006, 06:55 PM

MuppetFest is just the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned; I just really want us all to get together and par-TAY!

unclematt

11-20-2006, 07:12 PM

I am right there with ya Vic

beaker

11-20-2006, 10:48 PM

MuppetFest is just the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned; I just really want us all to get together and par-TAY!

Well why is it Farscape and Firefly fans have these big ol conventions, when those shows didnt last very long and are more recent affairs...
yet they have a gillion more hardcore fans than the Muppets
(There seems to be way more fans of Henson's Farscape, than of the Muppets themselves)

Yet the Muppets, over 50 years old...nothing. Heck franchises of much newer and more obscure/less well known stuff has huge conventions. The video game comic "Penny Arcade" gets thousands of people to their annual convention.

Anyone know why

1) Muppet fandom is still so small/fringe
2) Why Muppetfest is the only gathering weve had?

BEAR

11-21-2006, 12:10 AM

MuppetFest is just the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned; I just really want us all to get together and par-TAY!

I'd definitely be up for it if I can!

unclematt

11-21-2006, 03:48 PM

I suggested this several times on this forum. If we at Muppet Central can pull together with those at Tough Pigs and Muppets.com we could have a great fest. There is no doubt in my mind

beaker

11-21-2006, 06:26 PM

Muppet Central can pull together with those at Tough Pigs

It would be easier getting Israel and Palestine to a full blown peace settlement. Seriously:(

MrsPepper

11-21-2006, 06:35 PM

beaker

11-21-2006, 08:03 PM

Beaker, are you a member of both? I don't get why there is so much attitude between both forums. I've said before that I would join there but they have a rule about posting with your real name, and I am very private, so I don't join. Otherwise I'd go over there myself and see.

Well, aside from the fact that Tough Pigs permanently banned myself and many of my friends here several years ago, they never update their site.

However, they are partially responsible for this, one of the greatest muppet resources online: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Muppet_Wiki

Now me, people can no my blood type, dna strands and social security number for all I care, but I agree thats a lame rule if people want to remain anonymous. Plus I ALWAYS hated Delphi forums. I like BBcode way better.

But yeah, 2007 for the Muppet gathering win? I'll travel to Kalamazoo,
Anytown USA or tribal regions of Afghanistan to go to a Muppet convention!

unclematt

11-21-2006, 09:56 PM

I really think that if we want to have a Muppet Fest again we have to call some kind of truce with those at tough pigs

beaker

11-22-2006, 03:19 AM

I really think that if we want to have a Muppet Fest again we have to call some kind of truce with those at tough pigs

I agree, but beyond that, we would really have to have the participation of at least *some* folks deeply connected/involved with JHC, Sesame Workshop and the Muppets. A Muppet gathering without at least a couple of muppeteers/muppets wouldnt be the same. There'd also have to be a HUGE buzz to be created across the "hip" blogospheres, and make it appeal to the teen/20 something crowd as something they should attend.

What made Muppetfest so amazing, was that virtually everyone involved in the Muppets/Henson company was there. Save for some "Muppet" weekend at California Disney with Muppet fans agreeing to meet up, it'd really have to take Creation Entertainment or some fan organizaiton to do something grand.

THEN there is now the legal seperation. Whereas at Muppetfest they had Elmo and Bear, Henson Company is now notorious for playing history revisionist when they have mini festivals or gatherings these days...pretending as if Kermit doesnt even exist.

So Im not sure how ya could have a true new Muppet gathering with participation, especially now that the Muppets are owned by one of the biggest, and no holds barred corporations in the world.

I mean if 70 fans agreeing to meet at a hotel/restaruant with *maybe* someone who did floral arrangements for Muppets John Denver Special
is about as "epic" and "grand" as it will ever get...well, I don't know what to say.

unclematt

11-22-2006, 02:35 PM

Why would Disney not want to cooperate with something the fans want. It is not like Disney doesnt have the money and they could sell things to cover some of those costs. Come on we are Muppets fans, if there is something we really wantr to buy we will find a way to make it happen. I really want a Muppetfest and I will do everything I can physically do to make it happen.

beaker

11-22-2006, 09:01 PM

BEAR

11-23-2006, 01:12 AM

beaker

11-23-2006, 04:07 PM

So weird that it seems the Jim Henson Company has tried to distance themselves and cut off any ties with the name Kermit the Frog and the Muppets. Does this mean that Brian Henson will have nothing to do with the Muppets ever? Will he not be playing Sal Manilla ever again?

Pretty much, JHC has gone out of their way in brochures, pamphlets,
presentations, interviews, and mini film festivals to pretend Kermit and the Mupepts never even existed. So I can even blame Disney...its like JHC just wanted to go to extreme lengths for some bizarre reason.

Heck, they even removed Kermit from Emmet Otter. Of course, they still use alot of Muppet puppets in Puppet Up and most likely in future productions...but
yeah, theyve completely nixed any reference or history to them it feels like.

I wonder how the Muppeteers, lower staff, worldwide Muppet fans and former puppet builders feel about this? Thats why the post Feb 2004 era has been none to kind.

BEAR

11-24-2006, 04:32 AM

Pretty much, JHC has gone out of their way in brochures, pamphlets,
presentations, interviews, and mini film festivals to pretend Kermit and the Mupepts never even existed. So I can even blame Disney...its like JHC just wanted to go to extreme lengths for some bizarre reason.

Heck, they even removed Kermit from Emmet Otter. Of course, they still use alot of Muppet puppets in Puppet Up and most likely in future productions...but
yeah, theyve completely nixed any reference or history to them it feels like.

I wonder how the Muppeteers, lower staff, worldwide Muppet fans and former puppet builders feel about this? Thats why the post Feb 2004 era has been none to kind.

Makes me sad and angry at the same time.:mad: :(

unclematt

11-24-2006, 11:39 AM

I really hope that JHC reaches out to Disney or Disney reaches out to JHC. I dont honestly see eitheer compnay being successful without the other.

Fozzie Bear

11-30-2006, 10:55 PM

beaker

12-01-2006, 12:37 AM

It's sad to know that we will only learn anything "in time." Somebody's gotta give in and listen to us fans!! If Disney, JHC, and SW are going to make money off us, then they need to listen to us and give us what we want.

Yeah, I mean we might not have the sheer numbers, zealous fervency, or
presense online as say, the "Firefly" fans or Farscapers, but we deserve *some* sort of convention and fan service. I for one think they could make a legal exception and have a joint "Muppet Holding Company"/JHC event. There is many of us who will travel anywhere within the US to go.

unclematt

12-01-2006, 03:19 PM

Yeah, I mean we might not have the sheer numbers, zealous fervency, or
presense online as say, the "Firefly" fans or Farscapers, but we deserve *some* sort of convention and fan service. I for one think they could make a legal exception and have a joint "Muppet Holding Company"/JHC event. There is many of us who will travel anywhere within the US to go.

Would it be illegal for them to come to some kind of agreement with the two companies. I mean both companies need to be able to look at the bigger picture. We obviously cant have an event without Kermit and the gang and I wouldnt want to have an event without all the SS crew or the Fraggles or anything that has come out of JHC. I would even like to be able to maybe have Puppet Up performance. It really could be a great weekend. I think we need to find a way to make this happen with the two companies (3 if you include SW).

Fozzie Bear

12-01-2006, 03:56 PM

I'd love a tri-agreement to have a penultimate Jim Henson weekend (I couldn't see why the three companies wouldn't want to do such a thing).

Still, while I can't see why they wouldn't, they probably wouldn't.

Something fan-based could be nice if planned correctly.

Punch'n'Judy

12-01-2006, 04:14 PM

If Disney, JHC, and SW are going to make money off us, then they need to listen to us and give us what we want.

But the majority of money from the muppets etc isn't from the sort of die-hard fan that would go to MuppetFest. We're very much in the minority, and have no stranglehold over such large organisations.

Super Scooter

12-01-2006, 04:17 PM

Would it be illegal for them to come to some kind of agreement with the two companies. I mean both companies need to be able to look at the bigger picture. We obviously cant have an event without Kermit and the gang and I wouldnt want to have an event without all the SS crew or the Fraggles or anything that has come out of JHC. I would even like to be able to maybe have Puppet Up performance. It really could be a great weekend. I think we need to find a way to make this happen with the two companies (3 if you include SW).
This comment drew my attention to something. I hadn't really realized it before, but there has been no re-release of Muppet Family Christmas this year. It seems like that's the first Muppet production to hit shelves around this time.

If we saw that released, with no character groups cut out (i.e., Fraggles, Sesame Street), it might at least prove that there's hope there.

MarkFraggle

12-04-2006, 11:57 AM

For what it is worth, I'll start by sharing this so you know where I come from: I work for AOL as a blogger for the website Cinematical. Cine is a member of Weblogs, Inc, one of the absolute largest blog companies existing. We pull in a good amount of traffic. I'm the regular geek-beat writer, doing anywhere from 50-100 posts per month. I've written about my Muppet love on more than one occasion via my regular weekly column, "The Geek Beat," and my shorter posts.

Personally, I don't understand why we need to have company members involved to enjoy ourselves. Yes, it would be crazy-fantastic if we could have another MuppetFest with major headliner guests.

If we can't do that, why not just all get together to celebrate our love for all things Muppet? My friends and I regularly get together for Muppet viewings (this weekend is Christmas With the Muppets, watching Christmas Eve on Sesame Street, AVMMCM, MCC, MFC, and A Christmas Toy) and have a grand time. Why not just do that, but bigger?

Heck with another Fest if we can't pull it off. Why not just rent out a place and all get together to watch a ton of Muppet stuff with people who love and appreciate it? Yeah, it won't be as grand as MuppetFest, but it is much more doable, and thorougly fun. Think of it as a MuppetCentral Meet 'n Greet Party.

If it happens on any sort of large scale, we can get minor media coverage. Who knows, it might catch Disney's eye and let them know we still exist and care. If it gets any traction at all, Cinematical may let me cover it, which would at least give the thing exposure through AOL.

Super Scooter

12-04-2006, 02:50 PM

I was thinking of something similar. I went to see The Great Muppet Caper in the theater last night, and the place was pretty full. I didn't realize it until then, but Muppet fans are more commonplace than we might think. Maybe not to the same extent as some of us, but...

The fans are there, Disney. It's not a big gamble to do something with the Muppets.

Punch'n'Judy

12-04-2006, 04:14 PM

Out of interest does anyone know how many MC members there are? And how many of them are active members?

BEAR

12-04-2006, 06:57 PM

Out of interest does anyone know how many MC members there are? And how many of them are active members?

Good question.

Faylo

12-04-2006, 07:55 PM

Well, according to the stats we have 9,108 members!
But, those who are active... I say maybe 150-200?

unclematt

12-05-2006, 02:04 PM

You guys just gave me an idea. How about Muppet Central Fest?

beaker

12-05-2006, 02:26 PM

But the majority of money from the muppets etc isn't from the sort of die-hard fan that would go to MuppetFest. We're very much in the minority, and have no stranglehold over such large organisations.

Ive been asking this for ages, as a fan of many huge franchises.

Why are Muppet fans, the only fans of a world famous, long running franchise that has very few diehard and active online fans/communities?

Farscape, a Henson side project that lasted just a few years, has infinately more fdiehard and active fans online than the Muppets. Same with Firefly...that lasted what, 11 episodes?

the Muppets have been around for 50 years, have been seen by half the planet on every continent, and has had a gillion spinoffs, side series, etc.

So what gives? I've been observing the online Muppet fandom thing since 1997, and a decade later its STILL underground and considered fringe.

In a way that makes it more special, like a badge of honor. Theres nothing interesting or exciting about meeting a Trekker or Lucasfan(tho I am still a huge star wars fan)

Anyone got any theories?

beaker

12-05-2006, 02:31 PM

If it happens on any sort of large scale, we can get minor media coverage. Who knows, it might catch Disney's eye and let them know we still exist and care. If it gets any traction at all, Cinematical may let me cover it, which would at least give the thing exposure through AOL.

I advocated this in 1998-2000 on here, but the fact is...without some sort of 1) official sponsor/event or 2) without at least some JHC/Muppeteers involved in some way, even unoifficially...its going to be like ya said, just a few people meeting at a restaurant to watch dvds in a hotel room.

MuppetFest got what, I think 1200 people. And that was before the massive 2002/2003 Muppets everywhere blitz at the stores and on tv.

If...IF Disney designated a "Muppet filled weekend" with Muppeteers at either WDW or California Adventure, this may be the closest we'd have to a Muppet fest...and I guarantee youd have alot of fans flying out.

This comment drew my attention to something. I hadn't really realized it before, but there has been no re-release of Muppet Family Christmas this year. It seems like that's the first Muppet production to hit shelves around this time.

If we saw that released, with no character groups cut out (i.e., Fraggles, Sesame Street), it might at least prove that there's hope there.

LOL! Disney probably would cut the FR and SS guys out if they rereleased it.
The post 2004 era has not been kind to us fans.
I was thinking of something similar. I went to see The Great Muppet Caper in the theater last night, and the place was pretty full. I didn't realize it until then, but Muppet fans are more commonplace than we might think. Maybe not to the same extent as some of us, but...

The fans are there, Disney. It's not a big gamble to do something with the Muppets.

True. Deep down most people have afondness for the Muppets...but the *actual* active Muppet fans/diehard fans are few and far between.
That said, if Muppetfest had been properly promoted, ya woulda h ad azillion more people...as ya say, people have a fondness for the Muppets.

Super Scooter

12-05-2006, 03:22 PM

It's sad because the Muppets have such potential for a major comeback. I like that they were trying to do some edgier stuff with them for a while, but I think the main focus on any future Muppet production would have to focus heavily on sticking to the characters personalities, and maybe playing with that.

(momentary plug for myself): In my fan-fic/script, I included Bean Bunny as a fairly large character. I think I did an okay job at giving him his personality, but expanded on it so he could say things that maybe he couldn't get away with before. That'd be pretty cool to see for the Muppets on the large scale.

I attended the movie with a friend who only "likes" the Muppets, but he was laughing just the same as anyone else in the theater. Not a "diehard" fan, but I think I can draw him out some. ;) Another MuppetFest would do extraordinarily well, in my own opinion. The Muppets are still cool, they're still funny, they have their diehard fans and their frequent viewers. And I think more people like the Muppets a lot more than they might care to admit.

beaker

12-06-2006, 03:46 AM

Alright, so we all agree that there needs to be a big Muppety gathering for 2007 sometime.

Question tho:

Do we want to count on the off chance Disney will do something...and the super off chance they'll have JHC be a part of it...

or are people going to organize their own small independent Muppet gathering, with the off chance they can get a few people from the Muppet world involved?

unclematt

12-06-2006, 10:51 AM

I think we need to give the first a try and have the second as a fall back.

Fozzie Bear

12-08-2006, 05:01 PM

meetup.com (or soemthing similar) had a Muppet Fan section that you could create a MeetUp in your city with other Muppet Fans. I never got any replies to it, though, so dropped it.

unclematt

12-09-2006, 08:15 PM

meetup.com (or soemthing similar) had a Muppet Fan section that you could create a MeetUp in your city with other Muppet Fans. I never got any replies to it, though, so dropped it.
I am going to look into that.

Barry Lee

01-03-2007, 03:24 PM

What we should do is have a MC Fest, basically all the members close to a certain state all meet. So lets say NY, if anybody is near NY, they come to New York etc. What we could do is just have a week marathon (in the summer) of muppet productions (old, new, rare) I would be glad to participate. We can also have food, muppet music, etc.

unclematt

01-03-2007, 04:03 PM

I am all about that. I dont need much of an excuse to go to New York.

SweetumsRules

01-03-2007, 10:33 PM

I have an idea. Why dont we just do it independently? Like how they do comic conventions, or even horror conventions. They invite actors, in this case muppet performers, pay for their travel and hotel expense, and the actors make money themselves selling autgraphed pictures, and autographing your own stuff. Thats how the Chiller and Fangoria conventions of horror and stuff got started, independently. Maybe Disney or the JHC will even be interested. Set up rooms with performers, puppets autographing, and other rooms with vendors. Then you have Henson-type happenings, movie showings, Q&A, etc.

I dont know, I mean I know Disney owns the Muppets now, but There's gotta be something we can do as fans and do a fest or convention or something. I mean face it, muppet fans are like a cult status, just like comic book and horror fans. lol

unclematt

01-04-2007, 04:12 PM

Fozzie Bear

01-04-2007, 05:22 PM

Suppose there were some conversations going on in the background of things? Keep chatting, though. Would be good to see the interests being peaked!

Super Scooter

01-05-2007, 12:13 PM

That sounds great except there would be alot of up front costs that I dont know if us Muppites (a while back we did vot on Muppites, right?) would be able to afford. Cost is always the first obstacle and it is a big one at that.
That's actually not as difficult as you might think. Think of the sponsors you could get if you could gaurantee a certain amount of people going to the convention. And, besides that, imagine the price of a ticket if the companies put one together! Now, I didn't go to the original, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheap. If everyone were willing to donate a certain amount to site rental and the cost to take care of all the guests invited (Muppeteers, writers, directors, builders, etc.), you might find it would actually cost less than MuppetFest 1. After all, we're not expecting to make a profit off of it the way I'm sure the original did.

unclematt

01-05-2007, 03:00 PM

That's actually not as difficult as you might think. Think of the sponsors you could get if you could gaurantee a certain amount of people going to the convention. And, besides that, imagine the price of a ticket if the companies put one together! Now, I didn't go to the original, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheap. If everyone were willing to donate a certain amount to site rental and the cost to take care of all the guests invited (Muppeteers, writers, directors, builders, etc.), you might find it would actually cost less than MuppetFest 1. After all, we're not expecting to make a profit off of it the way I'm sure the original did.
Maybe it is more feasable than I thought

Fozzie Bear

01-08-2007, 04:59 PM

Now, I didn't go to the original, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheap. .

I think my gold ticket which included the Live Muppet Show was $300, outside of the normal expense of hotel and airfare.

unclematt

01-08-2007, 05:15 PM

Was there anything higher than a Gold Ticket

Fozzie Bear

01-08-2007, 05:19 PM

Movie stars got to sit on the front row--don't remember who. I was focused on getting to my heroes: Dave, Steve, Jerry Nelson...

unclematt

01-08-2007, 07:14 PM

Were you able to buy a Movie Star ticket?

SweetumsRules

01-08-2007, 07:21 PM

Yeah I know. Disney sucks. =)

unclematt

01-08-2007, 07:29 PM

Disney is going to turn this all around I have faith in them

beaker

01-08-2007, 07:41 PM

Disney is going to turn this all around I have faith in them

Let's just say you won't hear any more whiny complaints or rants from me anymore...some pretty big muppety things are in the works. (some of which has been subtly hinted at, even by the frog himself)

unclematt

01-08-2007, 07:49 PM

Let's just say you won't hear any more whiny complaints or rants from me anymore...some pretty big muppety things are in the works. (some of which has been subtly hinted at, even by the frog himself)
What? You cant lay down something like that and not expand on it.

beaker

01-08-2007, 08:06 PM

What? You cant lay down something like that and not expand on it.

Hey, didn't Yoda say with great knowlege comes great responsibilities?

I think by the end of spring a lot of massive bombshell Muppet news is going to be revealed, the kind of news that will leave people quite satisfied and speachless. And that goes for both JHC and Muppet Sudios(Disney)

But yeah, I believe some of the biggest wishes in the Muppet fan community will be greatly answered with glorious aplumb.

The first massively incredible news could "officially" drop pretty soon actually(news weve been waiting many many years for)

unclematt

01-09-2007, 06:19 PM

Hey, didn't Yoda say with great knowlege comes great responsibilities?

I think by the end of spring a lot of massive bombshell Muppet news is going to be revealed, the kind of news that will leave people quite satisfied and speachless. And that goes for both JHC and Muppet Sudios(Disney)

But yeah, I believe some of the biggest wishes in the Muppet fan community will be greatly answered with glorious aplumb.

The first massively incredible news could "officially" drop pretty soon actually(news weve been waiting many many years for)
Dude, you know how to bring a smile to a guys face. Let me tell you. Can I ask where you are getting your information from?

Super Scooter

01-09-2007, 07:45 PM

Dude, you know how to bring a smile to a guys face. Let me tell you. Can I ask where you are getting your information from?
Trust me, man, you can trust Cory on this one. It's comin' from a pretty reliable source.

MrsPepper

01-09-2007, 07:49 PM

Yeah Cory, you are making me really anxious, but I have to ask how do you know these things? "If I tell you, I'll have to kill you" isn't a good answer. ;) If you are priveledge to info then obviously you really shouldn't tell, but I am just curious as to how you know these things on good authority.

Either way I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Fozzie Bear

01-09-2007, 09:56 PM

Were you able to buy a Movie Star ticket?

Compliment taken (even if not implied) :)

No. I was one of the audience members up in the balcony. Movie stars got front row seats.

unclematt

01-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Compliment taken (even if not implied) :)

No. I was one of the audience members up in the balcony. Movie stars got front row seats.
What Movie Stars were there?

beaker

01-10-2007, 07:15 PM

Trust me, man, you can trust Cory on this one. It's comin' from a pretty reliable source.

Yeah, all I can say is that Muppet fan's two big wishes in the whole world(no, not the wish for JHC to buy back the Muppets, sorry) will come to fruition by this Fall.

Actually, I'd say a whole bunch of wishes actually, one's people never even thought of or expected.

Yeah Cory, you are making me really anxious, but I have to ask how do you know these things? "If I tell you, I'll have to kill you" isn't a good answer. ;) If you are priveledge to info then obviously you really shouldn't tell, but I am just curious as to how you know these things on good authority.

Either way I CAN'T WAIT!!!

How do I know these things? While such things are still in the beginning stages, perhaps people higher up got tired of me yapping about my worry that 2007 might be a sad empty Muppety year;) That, or I have a proactive tenacity. Who knows. What I can tell you, is that between February and March, one of the big things will be announced with some good detail given, the other big thing by may/early june. Both will bring back that passionand enthusiasm for the future of Muppetdom. However, peppered between now and the end of the year you're going to find out about a lot of Muppet and JHC projects, tho smaller, that are in their own right pretty cool. I think
we may also see the return of the great Muppet merch era(despite the ending of Palisades) in the near future.

Super Scooter

01-10-2007, 07:24 PM

... wait... do you know something I don't know? I'm confused.

theprawncracker

01-10-2007, 07:54 PM

*roots for beaker* You, my good sir, have made me one happy prawn.

Ruahnna

01-10-2007, 09:59 PM

If they want a sign of support, I'm in. Say the word and I'm there with my magic plastic money card. Promise. If theres a Muppetfest, I'm coming with my feather boa and my checkbook. So--set 'em up, boys!

Seriously! If there is anyting we can do here at MC as a show of support for a new MF, spell it out. I'll even, um, help organize if I can figure out what to do. I sooooo want this.

Fozzie Bear

01-10-2007, 09:59 PM

What Movie Stars were there?

Tracy Ullman was one--the rest I don't remember. Too long ago now. I still can't believe I got kicked off the floor before I could meet Jerry Nelson and Steve Whitmire. :( I was only 3 feet from Jerry at the time, too.

Ruahnna

01-10-2007, 10:04 PM

(whispering) Um, I don't suppose we could hope to see a Kermit who was actually nice to Piggy, could we? Or is that expecting too much?

Fozzie Bear

01-10-2007, 10:13 PM

They gave us that (actually) in Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie. It was a cute, in-passing kind of thing.

unclematt

01-10-2007, 10:28 PM

... wait... do you know something I don't know? I'm confused.
What do you know?

Leyla

01-10-2007, 11:17 PM

Well, regarding Kermit being nice to Piggy... that's a part of his character. Kermit growls, snips, and snarks at the muppets around him... and often, hey, no wonder! They drive him CRAZY! But you know, deep down, he loves them, all of the insane members of his family, and always will, no matter how often they push him off the deep end.

But... it's not always easy to see that love... famial love, (I'll keep the gushyness out of this discussion) in Kermit's snarkiness towards Piggy. Certainly it's more fierce than towards any other muppet... and you can argue that Piggy drives him crazier than any of the others... but there are times when it goes beyond simple tension relief and jokes... it gets cruel.

I'm not saying Piggy can't handle it...I'm not even saying she doesn't deserve it. (I don't think she does, but I'm not focusing on that.) I'm saying it violates Kermit's character. He snips, snarks, grumbles and complains, but when push comes to shove, he doesn't mean it. He wouldn't deliberately hurt anyone.

Kermit's not mean. He just isn't. In a slew of five minute interviews, where Piggy's not around to snip back or fluster him... he comes off as one-sided and mean, at least he does sometimes anyway.

In a show... (boy, are MY fingers crossed), Kermit doesn't have to treat her like a china doll, or even like a girlfriend, to show that he cares about her... and he does. Kermit cares about all of his friends. I think that's all Ru is saying... just that it gets hard to watch him use her constantly as a target for cheap jokes. (There are hysterical jokes between them, at her expense, but... it just isn't funny when it's ...uncaring. Doesn't really make you like Kermit either.)

He IS a nice frog... to everyone... even when he is also a tired, grumpy, sarcastic, frustrated frog. Let Kermit be who he is, that's all.

unclematt

01-10-2007, 11:22 PM

I dont think Kermit has ever been meen for the sake of being meen. I think it is always in a joking matter.

beaker

01-11-2007, 02:05 AM

*roots for beaker* You, my good sir, have made me one happy prawn.

Thanks, but we all deserve to be happy. I think we've waited long enough for *something* big to come along, and really to get the Muppets back again.

... wait... do you know something I don't know? I'm confused.

perhaps a little;)

As for Kermit and Piggy, I think(within "Muppet canon", canon being the Muppets real lives when they arent acting) they can never be together again. Kermit has made it clear on more than one time on the late night talk show circuit there just wont be any romance between the two.

Now Im not sure if thats Whitmire's take, or if thats just an established thing.

Like, I dont believe Gonzo is an "alien" in Muppet canon, anymore than Kermit really is Captain Smolet. I think what happens in the Muppet movies, or
the non backstage segments of Muppet shows is not part of official Muppet canon, as I see the Muppets as actors.

Punch'n'Judy

01-11-2007, 08:09 AM

I still can't believe I got kicked off the floor before I could meet Jerry Nelson and Steve Whitmire. :( I was only 3 feet from Jerry at the time, too.

You got kicked off? I'm confused now!

J

unclematt

01-11-2007, 10:23 AM

Beaker I say you tell us everything yo know and let us keep it a secret.

heralde

01-11-2007, 10:47 AM

The thing is, I don't remember people complaining about Kermit's pig comments in the old days. People laughed because it was genuinely funny. And you knew he didn't really mean it. Some people are complaining now, because it's not the same as it used to be. It borders on rude. I'm sure they don't intend that, but that's how it sometimes comes across.

Beauregard

01-11-2007, 11:12 AM

In a way, Kermit and Piggy's relationship should have been solidified a while ago now...leaving it hanging for this long, it will become a joke in the same way that Tom Cruise has become a joke. At first, his outlandishness was funny, then it bordered on abnormal, and now it's just a joke.

Ruahnna

01-11-2007, 03:20 PM

A lot depends on what you mean by "canon." Do television appearances count? If so, Kermit's been pretty mean about Piggy lately. But he was pretty ushy-gushy last year at the TV Land awards.

What about books? Do they count? If so--once again--Kermit was pretty awful about Piggy, but then he turned around and said some incredibly sweet things.

What about billboards? THere was that billboard that said, "Eats flies. Dates a pig." Was that true? Or does the word "dating" mean something totally different when you put it on a billboard?

Which movies count as canon? If we can accept all "back-stage activity" as canon, then was Kermit really snarky with Piggy over complimenting her first number and avoiding her kiss? If so, we have to accept that his later very enthusiastic kiss was true too.

In short (well, in conclusion), there's just a lot of conflicting information out there--all coming from the same sources! Are they on again? Off again? Both? And that was a lot of what we saw in TMS--on again, off again, fighting again, lovey-dovey again. I could live with that, if it doesn't get so darn mean I can't watch.

We loved 'em when they fought, and we loved 'em when they made up. In short, we'd like to see more of them doing both.

Ruahnna

01-11-2007, 03:29 PM

OH--about the convention thing. I've actually helped organize fan conventions before, so I wasn't kidding. If you need fan help, send a shout out.

unclematt

01-11-2007, 03:39 PM

Guys come on. He has always ribbed her. Get it ribbed. That is Kermit. I dont think it has been meen hearted at all.

Fozzie Bear

01-12-2007, 12:08 PM

Then again, there's nothing funny about love; it's the unrequieted love that is funny.

Ruahnna

01-12-2007, 12:54 PM

Then again, there's nothing funny about love; it's the unrequieted love that is funny.

Funny to whom?

If you watch the original shows and movies--TMS, any season, or TMM or TGMC or TMTM--it is perfectly obvious on stage and off that there is more going on here than just Piggy hankering after Kermit. His jealous fits, his admiring looks at her, the way they banter back and forth about when and where they are going out--not whether--are all part of what made it funny for Kermit to deny their relationship, or at least the seriousness of it.

If it was just Piggy pining over Kermit, with him not encouraging it at all, then it would soom cease to be funny. Then it would just be sad. (Much like Fozzie Bear's initial character, who was just supposed to be a bad comedian. It wasn't funny until they gave him vulnerability and made us WANT to like his routine, even though it wasn't very good.) It's funny because we can see both of them trying to get the upper, um, flipper in the relationship. The relationship that they actually have, not a relationship that Piggy made up. Kermit wants Piggy--he's just uncertain about the degree of commitment that he's comfortable with. Piggy want ALL of Kermit, but has to settle for less. So they dance around the question and each other while we all sigh and say, "Ah, l'amour." and shake our heads.

Beauregard

01-12-2007, 12:58 PM

Then again, there's nothing funny about love; it's the unrequieted love that is funny.
Actually...I believe that is simply the first level of humor in this relationship. When I first saw the Muppets, I was just a kid, and it was hilarious that Miss Piggy would first kiss-up to her Froggie then promptly send him flying ala left hook. I think the appeal of the Muppets, though, is that kids can enjoy that first level, while grown-ups realize that it ISN'T unrequited, it's just unproportionate.

unclematt

01-12-2007, 02:16 PM

Also remember we dont see how he treats her whaen there is no camera watching

heralde

01-12-2007, 02:28 PM

Again, I just don't think people would be complaining if nothing had changed. They had no problem with it before.

unclematt

01-12-2007, 02:30 PM

I am not complaining and really find it shocking that so many people are.

Fozzie Bear

01-12-2007, 02:33 PM

If you watch the original shows and movies--TMS, any season, or TMM or TGMC or TMTM--it is perfectly obvious on stage and off that there is more going on here than just Piggy hankering after Kermit. His jealous fits, his admiring looks at her, the way they banter back and forth about when and where they are going out--not whether--are all part of what made it funny for Kermit to deny their relationship, or at least the seriousness of it.

Unrequieted love. All of that is why it's funny.

Ruahnna

01-12-2007, 02:40 PM

When Kermit has a fit because she's planted rumors that she's snuggling with Avery? That was the relieved reaction of a man who can't wait to get rid of a woman?
When he tells her that she looks very elegant in her high heels? Or sneaks a peak inside the mermaid suit?
Or kisses her backstage in IAVMMC?
Wow--and all these years of being married I was assuming that those were signs of actual interest in someone. Go figure.

Fozzie Bear

01-12-2007, 03:26 PM

I asked the opinion of a friend of mine and my personal definition of unrequietd love isn't correct. Charlie Brown and the Red Haired Girl is unrequieted love. He knows and loves her, she has no clue.

Kermit and Piggy? He's a player. He shows his interest, but doesn't want to follow through (my buddy's opinion). So, being a 'player,' which I thought since he doesn't necessarily SAY he's interested, I considered unrequieted; but, my buddy says I'm wrong.

Still, it is my personal opinion that to NOT be unrequieted he needs to be a bit more favorable of a relationship than not. I don't think the bickering would be as funny if they were an 'official' item. But, that's just my opinion. :)

Maybe there'll be another MuppetFest of some sort that Piggy and Kermit can attend and let us know for sure, eh?

(See, how I'm segue-waying this back onto topic?) :crazy:

unclematt

01-12-2007, 08:42 PM

I would love to see Kermit and Priggy at a new MuppetFest. (see how I am helping to segue back onto the topic)

Kiki

01-13-2007, 06:57 AM

Erm, I don't mean to sound demanding in any way but... is there any news on the new Muppetfest? Where it'll be hold, what year, whether it will it actually happen?? Ooh I hope so!! ;)

Luke

01-13-2007, 07:14 AM

Erm, I don't mean to sound demanding in any way but... is there any news on the new Muppetfest? Where it'll be hold, what year, whether it will it actually happen?? Ooh I hope so!! ;)

There is no new Muppetfest. Creation Entertainment organized Muppetfest on behalf of the Henson's but obviously they've sold the Muppets since. As to whether Disney or anyone else organizes anything at any time, there's no news of anything yet.

Beauregard

01-13-2007, 07:17 AM

There is no new Muppetfest. Creation Entertainment organized Muppetfest on behalf of the Henson's but obviously they've sold the Muppets since. As to whether Disney or anyone else organizes anything at any time, there's no news of anything yet.
Sad, but true. I missed the first MuppetFest, and MuppetFest won't happen again. I am lucky enough to have met MC people in real life, since, but nothing on a MupeptFest scale.

unclematt

01-13-2007, 02:50 PM

We can work at it and remember there is still a part two to the big announcement. Maybe it is anpther Muppet convention

Kiki

01-13-2007, 06:59 PM

Ooh, that would be cool! But I'm not gonna get my hopes up. Plus, I live in Australia, so going to Muppetfest, which is obviously in the US is a bit dicey (however, Muppeteers do visit Melbourne -where I live- a fair bit. Kevin's been here 3 times including this year!).
Yeah, I remember a Muppeteer saying in his book about the first and last Muppetfest. :( Oh well. :smirk:

beaker

01-14-2007, 07:02 AM

Yeah, Muppetfest was unfortunately a one time deal.

As for if there will ever be a similair event or something of equal stature in the near future, I guess anything's possible.

unclematt

01-14-2007, 04:18 PM

Beaker I guess you would know better than anybody

moke'schocolate

01-15-2007, 10:01 PM

Hi! I'm back! I saw Kevin Clash on Oprah last year. Does anybody know about that episode? I wish I could meet him in real life. I tried to get him to come to the previous college I attended to see the kids in the preschool program, but of course he wasn't able to come.

Ilikemuppets

02-04-2007, 09:12 PM

Yeah, He was three for like that last minut of the show. The rest was just a bore to me.

unclematt

02-08-2007, 06:23 PM

What was the episode about.

Fozzie Bear

02-09-2007, 10:02 PM

I think it was about the 'richest' people.

unclematt

02-11-2007, 12:53 AM

And Kevin Clash is one of the richest people?

Ilikemuppets

02-11-2007, 06:25 PM

Okay I looked it up and it was called "The Real People Behind Big Names." But she did mention smothing about how much money he makes whitch is a lot to whitch I he replied "I do alright for myself." I mean why would you put that kind of information out in front of an adience that big?

unclematt

02-12-2007, 04:57 PM

I agree it is not something I would want everybody knowing

TeacherLady

04-12-2007, 04:52 AM

I assumed by "richest" you meant not necessarily in monetary terms... He is rich with experience and the adoration of many. Or am I being too fluffy about this?

unclematt

04-14-2007, 12:23 PM

With Oprah that could be the case

Ilikemuppets

04-15-2007, 02:58 AM

I wish I had a transcript to comfirm this.

unclematt

04-15-2007, 11:35 AM

Has anybody though about moving forward on some kind of Muppet Central get together?

Fozzie Bear

04-16-2007, 09:31 PM

I think about it frequently, but MAN! I'm so busy 'round here.

Luke

04-17-2007, 01:30 PM

I'd love to hop across the pond and have a big Muppet meetup. Someday, i'll find me, a Rainbow connection, the Muffets, the Penguins ...and MEeeeee!

SarahOnBway

07-22-2007, 11:44 AM

Ignore this post, it was a mistake!

unclematt

08-06-2007, 01:58 AM

I know I was gone for a while but is there anyhting in the works as far as a Muppet meetup

unclematt

12-11-2007, 10:27 PM

frogboy4

12-11-2007, 10:56 PM

I would just like to say that I think it sad that we can not put anything together for the Mupites (that is us). I just recently read about a 2009 Quantum Leap convention. I have to believe that there are more Muppet fans than thier are Leap fans. We should really try.

I agree, but Sci-Fi fans are a different and uncommonly loyal type of fanatic. Maybe the new Jim Henson and Muppets film clip and Muppeteer exhibits traveling around will serve to change that and we'll get something bigger.

unclematt

12-11-2007, 11:16 PM

What new Muppets film clip

frogboy4

12-12-2007, 12:17 AM

What new Muppets film clip

The Muppets 101 Jim Henson exibits traveling around the country - some hosted by Muppeteer Dave Goelz. Pretty much old news.

http://muppetnewsflash.blogspot.com/2007/05/muppets-music-magic-tour.html

Hope this helps! :) Or did you think the film clips and Muppeteer events were to different things? I lumped them together because the events had both film clips and a Muppeteer.

If these are drawing a crowd, then I think Muppeteer hosted larger-scaled events could be workable. That is, if Disney cares. It's amazing they've been so agreeable as of late. Dave Goelz seemed quite pleased with the current relationship with the company. :concern: