characters in new Muppet x-mas movie!

[the_great_gonzo]

Hey everyone,
I just found out some characters revealed for the new Muppet christmas movie on imdb.com. They are:

PEOPLE:
David Arquette...Daniel
Joan Cusack...Rachel Bitterman
Whoopi Goldberg...Daniel's Boss

But even better here are...

MUPPETS:
Steve Whitmire...Kermit/Rizzo/Beaker/Bean
Frank Oz...Piggy/Fozzie/Animal/Sam
Dave Goelz...Gonzo/Bunsen/Waldorf
Bill Barretta...Pepe/Dr. Teeth/Rowlf/Swedish Chef

Wow. I really hope this is true or else I'll feel like an idiot. I hope it is true because not only would it mean that we'd hear Frank Oz but we'd see the return of Bean, Dr. Teeth and Rowlf. If this is not true, I'm sorry but I just report what I find.

[Joe]

if that info is true, that's a good thing, but Statler seems to be missing (can't remember, is he performed by Frank Oz?) I can't imagine them having Waldorf without Statler, it just wouldn't work..

[grail]

i thought Steve Whitmire was doing Statler now...

great find! now we just have to hope it holds out. because anyone can submit info, and it stays up until it is proven wrong, these could be incorrect. but with the humans already having names, i'd say there's a better chance that it's genuine.

didn't Joan Cusack already play a character named "Judith Bitterman"? it sounds familiar. "Adams Family Values", maybe? gonna have to look it up...

edit:

I'm wrong, she didn't...but i KNOW that character for some reason...now that's gonna bug me, but it's irrelevant, because whatever line i was drawing between the two is gone...

however, i would like to point out that it also has Steve Whitmire doing "Captain Abraham Smollet" so it's possible that someone just pasted part of the MTI list in here and tried to pass it off.

either that or they got some 'splainin' to do!

[matleo]

hey grailo,
Are you sure you're not thinking of Mrs. Butterworth? but seriosuly, I ran a search for charcters named Bitterman on imdb and this is what it came up with. have you seen any of these. Maybe you're remembering a Bitterman for mone of thsse films instead.


1. James Gammon (I) (Sheriff Bitterman)
. . . Stranger at My Door (1991) (TV)
2. Wayne Kneeland (Russell Bitterman)
. . . Risky Business (1983)
3. Bob Marley (II) (Earl Bitterman)
. . . Mint Condition (2001)
4. Joel Murray (Carl Bitterman/Various Characters)
. . . "Baby Blues" (2000) TV Series
5. Ted Ross (I) (Bitterman, Arthur's Chauffer)
. . . Arthur (1981)
6. Ted Ross (I) (Bitterman)
. . . Arthur 2: On the Rocks (1988)
7. Douglas Sept (Don Bitterman)
. . . Surprise Party, The (2001)

Female characters:

1. Joan Cusack (Rachel Bitterman)
. . . Very Muppet Christmas, A (2002) (TV)
2. Arabella Field (Melinda Bitterman/Various Characters)
. . . "Baby Blues" (2000) TV Series
3. Alison La Placa (Melanie Bitterman)
. . . "Suzanne Pleshette Is Maggie Briggs" (1984) TV Series
4. Kath Soucie (Rodney Bitterman/Megan Bitterman/Various Characters)
. . . "Baby Blues" (2000) TV Series

--Matt

[grail]

actually, now that you've said it, i think maybe it was Baby Blues...it's a show i've seen recently (on adult swim), but not paid much attention to...don't have any clue where i came up with "judith" though...

weird...thanks for the help though! i really appreciate that!

[Stulz]

Jerry Nelson has perfomed Statlersince Richard Hunts death in 1992.

[grail]

Originally posted by Stulz
Jerry Nelson has perfomed Statlersince Richard Hunts death in 1992. oops...ha ha. i knew that didn't sound right, but i was drawing a blank as to who it was. been that kind of day...

thanks!

[Bean Bunny]

I doubt Bean is in it, but if he is maybe he will get a kiss from Kelly Ripa. :D

[Skeeter Muppet]

*sighs* So far, it looks like Scooter either won't be showing up, or if he does it'll be just a cameo in a group shot. :( *sighs again*

[Zack the Dog]

I just found out some characters revealed for the new Muppet christmas movie on imdb.com.

That site is tends to have wrong info on it offen, that site also said that Frank Oz worked on KSY, which he did not,
Eric preforms Miss Piggy and Fozzie now, and we all hope that Jerry Nelson worked on this up coming movie as well to voice Statler, Robin, Folyd and maybe Lew Zeland.

[MrTheFrog]

The inside word is that Eric did Piggy and Fozzie for the Christmas movie.
-Artie

[The Great Gonzo]

Originally posted by Bean Bunny
I doubt Bean is in it, but if he is maybe he will get a kiss from Kelly Ripa. :D

Bean Bunny and Kelly Ripa--both all about the cute.

[Cantus Rock]

Originally posted by MrTheFrog
The inside word is that Eric did Piggy and Fozzie for the Christmas movie.
-Artie

Where are these inside words? I want to get in on that action. (hehe). But seriously, I'm sure your right. Frank is much too busy for the Muppets nowadays...:(

-Matt

[the_great_gonzo]

Just found out more cast news on imdb.com. Again, don't know if it's true or not but it says that the cast of the NBC show Scrubs will be in it, playing their Scrubs characters.

[scarylarrywolf]

I believe it's actually Dave Goelz who's doing Waldorf, not Steve.

[Stryder Wolfe]

I keep hearing about this thing with Frank Oz..what's up with that??? DId he quit the muppets?? He was the voices in Muppets From Space, right? Is there any info on this, like, newspaper articles or something? Has anyone heard Fozzie/Piggy/Animal?etc. and do they sound okay without him? I though maybe he just didn't do puppeteering anymore but still dubbed in the voices?

anyway, I'd really like more info on this..seems weird...

[beaker]

I guess technically he is on the pay roll or 'when needed' by JHC, but by now for all practical purposes Miss Piggy is now performed by Eric Jaccobson..whom I might add does an excellent version in my opinion. Btw, the Stryder in your handle...from the cool Capcom series 'Strider Hiryu' or from the character in LOTR?

[Fozzie Bear]

At Muppet Fest: Jerry Nelson was Statler, Dave Goelz was Waldorf.

I'm wondering why Jerry and his characters weren't listed in the first post of this thread...are they left out on purpose or by accident??

It won't be right without him.

FOZ

Frank Oz (btw) lends his voice from time to time, but I think now we can pretty much count him out of the loop anymore.

[Stryder Wolfe]

Originally posted by beaker
Btw, the Stryder in your handle...from the cool Capcom series 'Strider Hiryu' or from the character in LOTR?

I played the original video game on the NES, but I've always had a fondness for Aragorn from LOTR...of course, I've been using this name for so long that I rarely think of it in either context anymore..although I did have to get the "Strider" figure from the LOTR movie line :)

About Frank Oz...that's really bad news to me...I don't know, just doesn't seem right...is there any reason Why this is? He does so many characters! Fozzie, Piggy, animal, Sam, Bert, Grover...all revoiced? Or did they just get rid of a bunch?

I don't know, I always thought Frank was almost as important as Jim...like, Jim was the main character, but Frank was 3/4 main supporting characters...

oh well, I guess nothing lasts forever...hopefully he'll at least be the voices on any major movies they do...

[Drtooth]

Originally posted by Stryder Wolfe

About Frank Oz...that's really bad news to me...I don't know, just doesn't seem right...is there any reason Why this is? He does so many characters! Fozzie, Piggy, animal, Sam, Bert, Grover...all revoiced? Or did they just get rid of a bunch?


Well, it's hard to say they got rid of any characters, since the last project with ALL those Muppet Show characters (together) was Muppets From Space.

Eric Jacobson performs Grover, Piggy, and Bert from time to time. John Kennedy is Fozzie. Rick Boyd (I think) is Animal. David Rudman is Cookie Monster. Dunno about Sam, though.

However, Frank DOES do the characters from time to time, he's just buisy with Films he directs. In this season of Sesame, Frank voiced Grover, Bert, and Cookie Monster at various taped inserts (Monster time, Letter of the day, New Ernie and Bert segments for Journey to Ernie) , but the "fill ins" did all of the "on the street" segments, and some of the other taped inserts.

But the question is, will Frank play his respective characters in any theatrically released movies.....

[SuprGro78]

There is a little snippet about it in the latest issue of TV guide. It does mention the cast of scrubs.

[Stryder Wolfe]

well, I guess it's understandable, and as long as the characters are accurately and satisfactorily portrayed and all...

..but I can't help remembering the saying "Dont forget who brought you to the dance"

edit: just thought of something...the last time I heard piggy was the new weezer video...was that frank? If not, I didn't even notice a difference, which is comforting....

[danielromens]

I seem to remember an article about Jerry Nelson from a while back stating, among other things, his involvement with a folk band, as well as scaling down his duties with the muppets. These guys have been doing this for some time, we can't expect the older guys to stick around forever. Maybe it's for the best though, eric and steve's chemistry is much better than frank and steve. when you put the characters in new hands it lends to creating something new, rather than recapturing something old.

[Iggy35]

I think they should stick with the statler voice they used in the Weezer video .. Much more like the statler we know & love.

IGGY35

[Drtooth]

Originally posted by The Great Gonzo
Bean Bunny and Kelly Ripa--both all about the cute.

Yeah! and they're both made of foam!!!!!

but, as we've said on another post DON'T TRUST iMDB!!! They list the wierdest things. Captain Smollet?!?!?!

[Patty E.]

Originally posted by beaker
"...for all practical purposes Miss Piggy is now performed by Eric Jaccobson..whom I might add does an excellent version in my opinion. "
To: Beaker
Really, a guy as in male?

Patty E.
:eek:

[grail]

Miss Piggy has ALWAYS been performed by a guy. for years, it's been Frank Oz...you'd know that if you knew ANYTHING about the muppets...proving once and for all that you only came in here to push personal agendas, and that personally now have absolutely no use for you...

[frogboy4]

It is a rather commonly known fact Frank Oz has performed and voiced Miss Piggy until last year. Richard Hunt also performed Miss Piggy in the first season of The Muppet Show. Richard also performed and voiced Janice from the Electric Mayhem band.

Men have performed many Muppet characters. There are few women in the core Muppet group of performers, and they seem to come and go. The Muppets are much more Monte Python than Disney.

[grail]

Originally posted by grail
Miss Piggy has ALWAYS been performed by a guy. for years, it's been Frank Oz...you'd know that if you knew ANYTHING about the muppets...proving once and for all that you only came in here to push personal agendas, and that personally now have absolutely no use for you... upon further inspection, i seem to have left the word "I" out of my previous statement, which was a mistake, and i apologize. i still stand by what i said, but i do not presume to speak for the rest of the board, and i apologize.

however, i do not wish to speak to those with minds so closed that they are unwilling to even entertain a new idea or two. you have a lot to learn about the Muppets and what they stand for, and until you do, don't talk to me. not trying to be mean, but all you've done so far is make me angry, and i do not wish to be so in this place, it defeats the purpose.

[Cantus Rock]

Eck....I know Mike is a pretty tolerant person with annoying people on here...I'm glad I haven't read many of Patty E.'s posts, or I might be furious. I hate run-in's on the board, but if deGraila is getting ticked, I would probably be fuming.

-Matt

[grail]

yes, well...usually, it's really hard for me to be angry for more than about 5 minutes, but even i have a line. worst part is, she's not even the one who shattered that line this evening...why must people continue to be ***holes about this?

[Cantus Rock]

eck, same reason they were a'holes in the infamous Goths post. Pig headed idiots...and we aint talkin' Miss Piggy...

-Matt

[kansasteen14]

I hope that Electric Mayhem,Scooter and Rowlf have large parts in this.

[DarthGonzo]

Originally posted by kansasteen14
I hope that Electric Mayhem,Scooter and Rowlf have large parts in this.

He may not have a big role, but I think there's a strong possibility that Rowlf will be in this special. In fact, I think it's highly likely that we'll see him.

It's possible that the Electric Mayhem will be in the special, especially since a Rolling Stone photo of Snoop Dog before he was kicked out of the special included Floyd, Janice and Dr. Teeth. Who knows.

Scooter is a long shot. He might show up in the background, but I doubt he's gonna do anything big, like sing or something.

[Stulz]

Rowlf , Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem, and Scooter will all be seen in the new special.

I can't devulge how I know this, nor can I say how big or small each role is. Trust me it's true. There are alsoi guest star cameos that aren't listed anywhere yet, but I don't want to spoil the surprizes and fun.....


If you look closely at my location and a few other posts I've made I think you'll see I'm a credible source.

[grail]

Originally posted by Stulz
If you look closely at my location and a few other posts I've made I think you'll see I'm a credible source. who thinks you're NOT a credible source? you've always got good things to say, i just wish you'd say them more often. though this sentence has my interest now...

now then, where's my detective hat and magnifying glass? i have a mystery to solve! heh...

[towels]

Originally posted by Stulz
If you look closely at my location and a few other posts I've made I think you'll see I'm a credible source.

If you can't trust someone from Savannah, GA who can you trust?
:D

[Beauregard]

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo glad that the Electric Mayhem will be in it.

Does anyone know if it will come on video at Christmas to, so I can buy it?

Also will it be shown in the UK?

[Stryder Wolfe]

hopefully it'll be out on video too..that'd be sweet..otherwise, hope I can get enough notice of when it's on in Canada to set the VCR...

[Cantus Rock]

Judging by previous Henson releases, you might want to catch it's original airing. The video release (if it will be released...I mean, it is a movie isn't it?) will probably have an additional 8 minutes chopped off..heh :)

-Matt

[DarthGonzo]

Originally posted by Stulz
Rowlf , Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem, and Scooter will all be seen in the new special.



But will they be heard?

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by DarthGonzo
But will they be heard?

yes, they will be. scooter more than the others.

i was able to catch a special sneak preview of the show tonight. i will not say too much. i thought it was very good and laughed out loud at some parts. it did drag a little in some areas but it was very watchable.

fozzie's voice made me a little nervous (as did sam eagle's) but fozzie has a classic scene that was killing me. i was also glad to see that whoever the director was (forgive me for not knowing) did a great job with keeping david arquette from going crazy as he has the tendancy to do from time to time. there are a ton of pop culture references throughout. there is even a sly little nod to websites like muppet central which i found very amusing.

finally, i hope to god that palsades gets the rights to this because there are two awesome beaker variants in it i'd love to see.

jf

[the_great_gonzo]

yes!!! awesome!!! great!!! is it december yet?

[DarthGonzo]

So, uhhh, when is this airing again?

[King Prawn]

if i'm not mistaken the premise of this Tv movie is that Kermit's trying to save TMs theater from some woman, then i wonder why NBC thought they had to advertise it with a Kermit & Piggy Kiss, the plot line is a much better, they should have advertised the movie with that.

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by DarthGonzo
So, uhhh, when is this airing again?

it wasn't on tv yet. i saw a preview copy on vhs.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by King Prawn
if i'm not mistaken the premise of this Tv movie is that Kermit's trying to save TMs theater from some woman, then i wonder why NBC thought they had to advertise it with a Kermit & Piggy Kiss, the plot line is a much better, they should have advertised the movie with that.

i will say that the kiss is unique. the woman is joan cusak who is very funny. not to mention a babe.

jf

[Lorde Pompeo]

This is a question for those who can answer it...

Does the plot of this Movie interfer with the plot of The Muppet Show - I mean, J. P. Grosse owned the theatre but now Kermit has to stop "an evil landlady" from demolishing it...

Is there any conflict between the two plots or is this explained? I don't want to know how it is explained (I understand that you might not want to tell it), I just wanted to know if this problem is solved or not...

Thank you!

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Lorde Pompeo
This is a question for those who can answer it...

Does the plot of this Movie interfer with the plot of The Muppet Show - I mean, J. P. Grosse owned the theatre but now Kermit has to stop "an evil landlady" from demolishing it...

Is there any conflict between the two plots or is this explained? I don't want to know how it is explained (I understand that you might not want to tell it), I just wanted to know if this problem is solved or not...

Thank you!

it is explained, albeit very briefly. you blink and you'll miss it.

jf

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
i will say that the kiss is unique. the woman is joan cusak who is very funny. not to mention a babe.

jf

Somehow I find the kiss more interesting. After all, since the Mups aren't on TV anymore, who gives a hang about their theater?

Errr. Joan Cusack? A babe? Um....yeah. ;)

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by murgatoad
Errr. Joan Cusack? A babe? Um....yeah. ;)

i have a thing for actresses who can be truly funny. joan cusak is one of them. i'd pick joan over jennifer aniston anyday of the week because you can tell joan is actually funny. catherine o'hara as well. she is incredible in waiting for guffman. the scene where she's drunk is too blinkin funny.

jf

[C'irdan]

Remember the Snoop Dogg pic from the article about his cameo and thirty minutes being taken out of the film? Well I was inspecting it for clues, as it is the only picture I've seen from this movie yet...and has anyone noticed that Janice looks suspiciously like she's...talking???? It could be that she's just laughing...but Snoop Dogg is looking right at her and I'm pretty sure that she's talking....I just hope they keep the 30 minutes and put it on the DVD! That'd be great...also is Pepe in it much?

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Remember the Snoop Dogg pic from the article about his cameo and thirty minutes being taken out of the film? Well I was inspecting it for clues, as it is the only picture I've seen from this movie yet...and has anyone noticed that Janice looks suspiciously like she's...talking???? It could be that she's just laughing...but Snoop Dogg is looking right at her and I'm pretty sure that she's talking....I just hope they keep the 30 minutes and put it on the DVD! That'd be great...also is Pepe in it much?

pepe , or i should say 'peepee' is in it quite a bit. janice does have a few lines in the final cut. i was told what the snoop dogg scene entailed and once the darn thing airs, i'll give you the scoop. it's a really small cameo, but the payoff gag is classic (most of the cameos are short).

jf

[matleo]

hey John I have a quesiotn that croppedup when we first received the cast list at the start of this thread and am hoping you can shed some light on without giving too much away. In the puppeter list we have forthis so far, we have goelz, Whitmire, and Baretta, and OZ (which we know to be untrue). Are any Jerry Nelson's other characters (besides Floyd) or any of Brian Henson's characters in this? I was just wondering whwt they're involvement was on this (if any). Thanks.

--Matt

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by matleo
hey John I have a quesiotn that croppedup when we first received the cast list at the start of this thread and am hoping you can shed some light on without giving too much away. In the puppeter list we have forthis so far, we have goelz, Whitmire, and Baretta, and OZ (which we know to be untrue). Are any Jerry Nelson's other characters (besides Floyd) or any of Brian Henson's characters in this? I was just wondering whwt they're involvement was on this (if any). Thanks.

--Matt


matt-

i know brian is in there for sure because he does Sal the monkey, right? john kennedy is listed as well. he's a real nice guy. on the tape i saw the end credits were really sped up so it was hard to see everyone and john's name was right at the very end. wish i could be more helpful.

jf

[Drtooth]

WaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitam innitWaitaminnit!

You mean to tell me, Sam, Janice, Scooter, and Rowlf will be in this? And they will talk? WOW!!! ANymore little informative bits you can sneak by?

[the_great_gonzo]

sorry to keep badgering you with questions John but there's stuff we need to know. so here they are:

1.)who does the voices of Scooter and Janice and does it sound true to Richard Hunt's voices for them?

2.)Is Bean Bunny in it like imdb.com says?

3.)Do all of the muppets (like Gonzo,Rizzo,Bunsen & Beaker) have big roles or is it mainly just Kermit and Piggy?

if you could answer these it would be great

[matleo]

Thanks John,
yes Brian does Sal the monkey (or Sal Manilla as he is also known) Glad to know we'll be seeing him along with some other favorites from what it sounds. Can't wait to see it next month.

--Matt

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by the_great_gonzo
sorry to keep badgering you with questions John but there's stuff we need to know. so here they are:

1.)who does the voices of Scooter and Janice and does it sound true to Richard Hunt's voices for them?

2.)Is Bean Bunny in it like imdb.com says?

3.)Do all of the muppets (like Gonzo,Rizzo,Bunsen & Beaker) have big roles or is it mainly just Kermit and Piggy?

if you could answer these it would be great

we're really getting into the area where i'm not going to be able to say more, but i'll do my best.

1. i don't know the name, but scooter sounded good. janice was a little off but close.

2. briefly. i can only really recally one scene where bean was featured (though as a background gag).

3. the story is really centered around kermit. others do have storylines (fozzie, pepe) but it's mainly kermit's gig.

it's a good movie. you will like it a lot.

jf.

[Bean Bunny]

Yeah! Bean in the movie. :D

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Drtooth
WaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitaminnitWaitam innitWaitaminnit!

You mean to tell me, Sam, Janice, Scooter, and Rowlf will be in this? And they will talk? WOW!!! ANymore little informative bits you can sneak by?

sam, janice, scooter and rowlf are in it. sam, janice and scooter have lines. read that again....lines. not major parts, but lines.

rowlf does not have any loud and clear solo lines.

jf

[the_great_gonzo]

i just hope Gonzo and Rizzo have some decent screen time. same goes for Bunsen and Beaker.

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by the_great_gonzo
i just hope Gonzo and Rizzo have some decent screen time. same goes for Bunsen and Beaker.


they do. bunsen and beaker have a 'beutiful' scene in the beginning and hilarious parts in the second hour. gonzo and rizzo do have some good lines. rizzo's running gag though i didn't find overly funny.

jf

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
3. the story is really centered around kermit. others do have storylines (fozzie, pepe) but it's mainly kermit's gig.


jf.

KERMIT'S gig? Oh, glory. Fresh from "Swamp Years". Well, that tells me all I need to know. What else is on that night?

[Skeeter Muppet]

1. i don't know the name, but scooter sounded good. janice was a little off but close.

It could be Adam Hunt, Richard's brother. He voiced Scooter's one line in MFS.


-Kim

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by murgatoad
KERMIT'S gig? Oh, glory. Fresh from "Swamp Years". Well, that tells me all I need to know. What else is on that night? are we really going to judge something against another thing without even seeing it first?

[Drtooth]

Pay no attention to murgatoad! He hates EVERYTHING!!!!!!

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by Drtooth
Pay no attention to murgatoad! He hates EVERYTHING!!!!!! point taken. well at least he's never let down.

[Daffyfan2003]

Pay no attention to murgatoad! He hates EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Maybe he's a relative of Waldorf or Statler. Lol.

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
Maybe he's a relative of Waldorf or Statler. Lol. no, they HAVE a sense of humor.

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by tomahawk
are we really going to judge something against another thing without even seeing it first?

Well, if the whole movie is going to be Kermit walking around feeling sorry for himself, then, I'm sorry, but puke.

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by Drtooth
Pay no attention to murgatoad! He hates EVERYTHING!!!!!!


Not true. I'm quite fond of Life cereal...with ketchup.

Breakfast of Champions!!!! :D

[C'irdan]

If they went so far as giving Janice lines and a new voice that has been absent for an entire decade, they MUST have given some to Dr. Teeth right???? And zoot and Floyd??? and obviously animal...by the way...who is doing animal now? That's like the most popular muppet other than kermit piggy and elmo of course. I do really hope that this movie is nothing like Swamp years though...truly awful. Also is Lew Zealand present? I'm sure they wouldn't give him lines...but is he visible on the screen? I really would prefer that they give more attention to the older characters rather than Clifford...they have to realize that Henson would have almost always done a better job...except Pepe...that's genius...but Clifford...no.:mad:

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
If they went so far as giving Janice lines and a new voice that has been absent for an entire decade, they MUST have given some to Dr. Teeth right???? And zoot and Floyd??? and obviously animal...by the way...who is doing animal now? That's like the most popular muppet other than kermit piggy and elmo of course. I do really hope that this movie is nothing like Swamp years though...truly awful. Also is Lew Zealand present? I'm sure they wouldn't give him lines...but is he visible on the screen? I really would prefer that they give more attention to the older characters rather than Clifford...they have to realize that Henson would have almost always done a better job...except Pepe...that's genius...but Clifford...no.:mad:

well, i've got some good news for you....lew is featured several times in the first hour and he has lines. clifford was nowehre to be found as far as i saw. animal has lines as well, but you know animal. one featured muppet who was hilarious was a rather large (but quite *ahem* 'fey') pig with a wart here and there. i didn't catch the name and haven't seen all the muppet tonight eps to know if he was introduced there. he was very funny though.

jf

[C'irdan]

Thankyou John...you are a saint to us all. But one little thing...you uh...didn't answer my main question. Is Dr. Teeth in it with lines? and thankyou very much for letting me know about clifford and lew zealand...It's great that it's sounding so good...it really sounds like they're making an effort to keep it the way it was in the "olden days". I actually don't hate clifford...it's just that they give him too much screen time and Kevin Clash overacts a lot with him on Muppets Tonight...and there's not really an underacting balance character that goes with him...just doesn't work.so...Dr. teeth? and zoot and floyd? and who does animal?

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Dr. teeth? and zoot and floyd? and who does animal?


hmmm well i can't really recall any "featured" dr. teeth lines. you will be saddened to know that i guess the scene they did a lot of talking in was the snoop dogg scene. snoop dogg said something in his rap lingo and zoot (i believe) looks around and says, "that's the first thing i've understood in 25 years." (i think that's how it went anyway. i could be wong.) i do not know who does animal, but he does have a few lines. but then, does animal really every have 'lines'? there's a funny scene with them in the second hour, but they don't say much.


jf

[Drtooth]

Firstly, at least Murgatoad gave a funny answer, but still....Oscar the Grouch, eat your heart out.

Secondly, great to see Lew Zeland back. He was in MTI, but briefly, and his only speaking (or should I say singing) part was cut out (though it is on the sound track). Too bad about Clifford. I like him, and I wish he was in it (kinda like he was in the Jim Henson hour, just a bit character). Pepe is in it quite a bit, is Seymore? It seems he has bust out of the duo in recent projects. Jonny Fiama and Sal are in it, or not? tell me more!

Thirdly, what about my semi-namesake, the good Dr.Teeth? I mean, he has been around lately (he had a line "Shalom" in MFS, and sang "Absotively Posilutely" during the We are Family video). GOod to see that Janice says SOMETHING, though it may be just a Fer Sher.

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
hmmm well i can't really recall any "featured" dr. teeth lines. you will be saddened to know that i guess the scene they did a lot of talking in was the snoop dogg scene. snoop dogg said something in his rap lingo and zoot (i believe) looks around and says, "that's the first thing i've understood in 25 years." (i think that's how it went anyway. i could be wong.) i do not know who does animal, but he does have a few lines. but then, does animal really every have 'lines'? there's a funny scene with them in the second hour, but they don't say much.


jf thank you to all the groups out there that thought this was going to be horrible for childeren to see. we all feel the love.

[C'irdan]

Yes I think Snoop Dogg is a horrible person and I'm strongly against what he's done...but wouldn't it be great to have the extra footage on the DVD? Seriously a whole half hour of muppets that could be watched alone or incorporated into the film! I'd much rather have both options though, because this is really not someone that kids should be influenced by AT ALL. Also how long is the film? Is it really 2 hours? I thought they would make it an hour or an hour and a half like Swamp Years as it IS made for TV...but who knows! It sounds great anyways.

[Warrick]

Originally posted by tomahawk
thank you to all the groups out there that thought this was going to be horrible for childeren to see. we all feel the love.

Here Here !

And they want Ozzy Osbourne on Sesame Street !

LOL!

See ya

[petrieboy]

Clifford bugs me. Elmo's a cutie. I think Muppets Tonite would have been a lot more popular if Kermit had hosted. Clifford was like an annoying Arsenio Hall, and that's saying something.
Piggy is my favorite. Pepe is the best newer character they've found. With all this controversy about who was supposed to appear on the special... does anyone remember the Muppets Tonite episode where Billy Crystal ate dinner with Piggy and she started having a sneezing attack, as opposed to a fake orgasm? I was at college when that one came on... I used to play it on the giant screen at our school for all the students to come in and watch--- and we were speechless and shocked. Someone yelled out "This is the Muppets???"
I couldnt help bursting out in laughter, though I felt a bit taken back (aback?)

[Cantus Rock]

Originally posted by petrieboy
Clifford bugs me. Elmo's a cutie. I think Muppets Tonite would have been a lot more popular if Kermit had hosted. Clifford was like an annoying Arsenio Hall, and that's saying something.

This is the way alot of people think nowadays. They don't want to get into the newer brude of Muppets, they want the old hands. Now, all the stars and planets know I am an old school Muppet fan, and of COURSE I want the old characters. Heck, I'd be content living in a perpetual period from 1969-1989, just for the Muppets. But, the key factors persist, and they are that most of the original cast is gone, new people are taking over old characters, and things, as nature demands, are changing, as they always will be. So with these facts, I think this; it is better to have new, fresh faces on the shows with new personalities, than to have the classics done with new puppeteers and immitation voices. Not to say the newer guys are doing a bad job, because they aren't. I'm just saying, let nature take its course, let the new characters get settled in, and let us all pray for the original brilliance of the Muppets to come out in these characters. So, lay off ol' Cliffy, he's a good guy. His dreads are awesome too. :D

Please return to your regularly scheduled on-topic posting. :D

-Matt

[petrieboy]

No one is getting rid, or slowly and slyly wheeling out the pig, the frog, the bear, the dog, the animal or the weirdo. The day they do that we are in big trouble. I welcome new additions, but without the original cast, new voices or old, the Muppets are not the Muppets. It would be more blasphemous to get rid of them than to have new voices fill in. Pepe is a charmer. I also enjoyed the mad surgeon from Muppets From Space (who previously blew bubbles out of his head??) But these are mostly side characters. They can have as many side characters as they like... but who is worthy of joining the classic "gang" Kermit, Piggy, Gonzo, Fozzie and Rowlf... wouldn't you say these are the most popular 5? The ones that would pop up on Family Feud? I'm not so sure that Pepe, as cute as he is, is worthy of admission to the major characters lot. Never said Clifford wasn't a good guy- but he doesn't have what it takes to host a show- he was loud, hammy, and intrusive- disguised as charismatic. A little Clifford goes a long way. It's not that I don't want new characters- it's just that no new character has shown the depth of even the shallow, self-centered Miss Piggy, let alone Kermit, whose tender soul is forever imprinted on us all. Basically what I'm saying is... there is no point in throwing out a sleude of new characters if they aren't that great.

[Stryder Wolfe]

But throwing out a slew of new characters lets them see who can fly and who will fail...For example, Seymour and Pepe came out, and only one made it to the big time...and we dont' exactly see a lot of andy and randy pig anymore, now do we?

I think it's good that they try new things, but it needs to be balanced by some of the old too...I want to see lots of Kermit, Rowlf, et al, but I'm also really into new characters like Pepe, Bobo, even Rizzo....

[Warrick]

But think about it, They put Scooter back and take Clifford out ?!

Clifford isnt a 'new' Muppet, He has been around since 1989 in The Jim Henson Hour.

I think that from the Muppet TV Series atleast one 'new' Muppet should become permanent.
And that was Clifford and then Pepe, I think they have earned the right to be 'Classic Muppets'.

'Classic Muppets' as in the main group of Muppets.

See ya

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
This is the way alot of people think nowadays. They don't want to get into the newer brude of Muppets, they want the old hands. Now, all the stars and planets know I am an old school Muppet fan, and of COURSE I want the old characters. Heck, I'd be content living in a perpetual period from 1969-1989, just for the Muppets. But, the key factors persist, and they are that most of the original cast is gone, new people are taking over old characters, and things, as nature demands, are changing, as they always will be. So with these facts, I think this; it is better to have new, fresh faces on the shows with new personalities, than to have the classics done with new puppeteers and immitation voices. Not to say the newer guys are doing a bad job, because they aren't. I'm just saying, let nature take its course, let the new characters get settled in, and let us all pray for the original brilliance of the Muppets to come out in these characters. So, lay off ol' Cliffy, he's a good guy. His dreads are awesome too. :D

Please return to your regularly scheduled on-topic posting. :D

-Matt


But what if all the new characters completely, irredeemably and inarguably SUCK?

Spamela Sue Anderson, anybody?

Pepe is indeed a funny character though - primarily because of the voice. It's his look that is off-putting. Looks like a bug. Yick.

[Fozzie Bear]

Originally posted by murgatoad
Spamela Sue Anderson, anybody?

She doesn't get used any more, does she?

LAWDY MASSEY!! You better hope Pepe doesn't see what you just said...think he's ugly NOW, you should see him CRY!

F:(Z

[Drtooth]

Originally posted by murgatoad
But what if all the new characters completely, irredeemably and inarguably SUCK?

Spamela Sue Anderson, anybody?

Pepe is indeed a funny character though - primarily because of the voice. It's his look that is off-putting. Looks like a bug. Yick.

One time...No argument here. Her and that other male pig they added. And what, pray tell, was wrong with Link Hogthrob? Steve Whitmire performs him now, does he not?

Pepe is a shrimp (errr... King Prawn)..which technically is a Sea bug.

Who cares? Pepe rocks!!!!

[petrieboy]

Can someone help me with my wretched spelling and grammar skills?
I wrote sleude instead of slew, which is embarrassing enough. Slew meaning a host of (characters) and sleude meaning... um, I'm not sure. I could have sworn that it meant slender. Alas, there is no "sleude" in the dictionary. How is it spelled?

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Yes I think Snoop Dogg is a horrible person and I'm strongly against what he's done...but wouldn't it be great to have the extra footage on the DVD? Seriously a whole half hour of muppets that could be watched alone or incorporated into the film! I'd much rather have both options though, because this is really not someone that kids should be influenced by AT ALL. Also how long is the film? Is it really 2 hours? I thought they would make it an hour or an hour and a half like Swamp Years as it IS made for TV...but who knows! It sounds great anyways. not this again. please stop with the snoop is a horrible person and kids and influence and ..................... wait if someone reaches a certain age limit are they off the love list? what about those who don't care if snoop is in the movie? so we get to miss out on probably some beautiful footage of the mayhem ?

[C'irdan]

Yes I do think that sometimes an age limit just doesn't work...but I'm not influenced by him in the least! I think they should make the option available for people who really want to see the Electric Mayhem again...possibly as a special edition DVD or something? I wish there was a way to make this available to everyone without advertising it, but sadly there really isn't...If the cameo doesn't reveal anything about the guy...then how are kids going to know about his bad side? And if people are influenced by him already then that's not The Muppets' fault...I just want to see The Mayhem...they've been starving us of them for years!!! John...is the cameo revealing at all (about his lifestyle)?:(

[frogboy4]

I am still hoping that they will sell an uncut version of the special during the show. NBC, along with oither networks, has done that several times before (Jack and the Beanstalk, Alice In Wonderland and the Third Kingdom movie). If this comes out on DVD at all, it will anwser the question of why the scene was cut once and for all.

[Zack the Dog]

Clifford isnt a 'new' Muppet, He has been around since 1989 in The Jim Henson Hour.

I have always dis-like this saying, yes it's 100% if not 200% Ture, heck i'll say 300% But don't ask me to go any higher;-)

To us Muppet fan's we know who clifford is and have know him for over ten years,and you want to know what, NOT all muppet fan's have known this as new fans maybe finding out right now. But hardly ANYONE know's this. they may have seen him before but don't really remember him, they could have seen MFS and thought who the heck it that? Not everyone know's who pepe is either and are just finding out who he is this year..

it's like Joe the Armadillo, a few years old from the Animal show, but not many people know the "Animal show or know of it as a henson show, some people don't even know Labrinth is a Henson movie, how would anyone remember a small armadillo that was on a hidden show once? Not one person knew that Joe the Armaillo would be used on the KSY dvd back then. and i don't know what's next for Joe, maybe nothing and it was a one time thing, maybe he will join the muppet cast? who knows?

I think if this new muppet show gets made they shouldn't litter it with new characters like they did with MT, some muppets worked great other's make you sick. we still have the Moe Frackle mistery a muppet just used on Family Fued? i hope to see more of him in the new show, ad Joe the armadillo and there are your new characters, not that a new muppet can pop up for one show, but Pepe,Jonny,Sal, Bobo and i'll even inculd Clifford are new muppets.

these charcters need more light, some more then other's as clifford MT was a bad idea, but craming new new muppets with Classic muppets and TM muppets will be to crowed. one or two id fine but like i said i hope one of them is Moe Frackle.

[Drtooth]

Originally posted by tomahawk
what about those who don't care if snoop is in the movie? so we get to miss out on probably some beautiful footage of the mayhem ?

Though I'd hate to debate again, I still think that it's an industry Double standard. Anything that is 5-10% sparks an old, squeamish lady writing campagn, while the really offensive stuff is never even touched. They won't let Powdered Toatman crumple up the Bill of Rights , or Stimpy say "fart" on the Ren and Stimpy Show, but they let stuff like WIldest police chases, Jerry Springer, and so forth on during the day. What's good for the goose is not good for the gander, apparently. Some conservative minds scratched down angry notes for a Snoop Dog appearance (in which he doesn't even say the mildest of Swear words), while they show stuff I can't even talk about on during the same timeslot as Sesame Street, ONE CHANNEL AWAY FROM IT!!!!

I personally dislike Snoop Dogg, but they have had guest on the Muppet Show and Sesame Street that turned my stomach (N*SYNC for one...blecch), but it's not like he did anything to deserve the cut.

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
John...is the cameo revealing at all (about his lifestyle)?:(

wish i could help you there, but i can't. i did not see the cameo, only heard what it was and all i heard was as kermit walks by he says something in his incomprehensible rap lingo (that's so popular with the youg people) and everyone just looks at him and zoot says, "that's the first thing i've understood in 25 years." or so i was told.

jf

[Beauregard]

Originally posted by petrieboy
Can someone help me with my wretched spelling and grammar skills?
I wrote sleude instead of slew, which is embarrassing enough. Slew meaning a host of (characters) and sleude meaning... um, I'm not sure. I could have sworn that it meant slender. Alas, there is no "sleude" in the dictionary. How is it spelled?

I think it means the same thing as sontorroce. Look that up in the dictionary if you don't know what it means

[Beauregard]

Oh and John do you know when it is airing and if it wil be airing in the UK???

Also (I am surprised no one has asked this) are their any penguins in the film?-?

[Fozzie Bear]

John,

Will you shed light please on exactly how many people live in China?

Thanks,
FOZ :)

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Beauregard
Oh and John do you know when it is airing and if it wil be airing in the UK???

Also (I am surprised no one has asked this) are their any penguins in the film?-?

i do not know and yes. chickens too.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Fozzie Bear
John,

Will you shed light please on exactly how many people live in China?

Thanks,
FOZ :)

at last count, 6, but i'm not a good counter.

jf

[Beauregard]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
i do not know and yes. chickens too.

jf

I can't belive no one asked about the penguins before. Where Luke????

[C'irdan]

Just a few more questions:

1. Is the Swedish Chef in it? Does he have lines? Does he sound Good?

2. Is Bobo The bear in it? Does he have lines? Is he in it much?

3. Does Janice say anything other than "Fer Sher"?

4. Is Link Hogthrob or Dr. Julius Strangepork in it? Do they have lines? Does Link sound good?

[King Prawn]

we should probably change this thread to Ask John, anyway could you tell me two more things, (if you don't mind and you can)

Where would you say they used Johnny Fiama & Sal more in the new Christmas Movie or in MFS

And who is Pepe teamed up with, Gonzo, Rizzo or someone else?

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Just a few more questions:

1. Is the Swedish Chef in it? Does he have lines? Does he sound Good?

2. Is Bobo The bear in it? Does he have lines? Is he in it much?

3. Does Janice say anything other than "Fer Sher"?

4. Is Link Hogthrob or Dr. Julius Strangepork in it? Do they have lines? Does Link sound good?

1. i can't recall him being in it, but that doesn't mean he isn't. he just dosn't have a big featured part.

2. yes. yes. no. :-)

3. yes. she has a few different lines if i remember correctly. one is a payoff to a joke in the beginning and it's not a 'fer sher'.

4. not that i recall. there is this one big pig who is a little 'sweet', if you get my meaning. he's got warts on his face and he has a few funny 'over the top' type lines. this character is new to me, though i haven't seen all off the muppet tonight eps and it's been a while since i saw muppet treasure island to know if he's in that. sorry i can't help more.



jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by King Prawn
we should probably change this thread to Ask John, anyway could you tell me two more things, (if you don't mind and you can)

Where would you say they used Johnny Fiama & Sal more in the new Christmas Movie or in MFS

And who is Pepe teamed up with, Gonzo, Rizzo or someone else?

heh. well i only know a little tidbit now and then. like right now i'm sitting on something regarding the walk of fame ceremony, but i have to wait till after. i can say piggy's going to be in an upcoming issue of style magazine and kermit's going to be on the wayne brady show thanksgiving week!

anyway, to you questions:

johnny and sal are in this more than mfs.

i can't tell you who pepe teams up with because it would give too much of the plot away! i will tell you it will shock and amaze you! well, maybe not, but i still can't say,

jf

[the_great_gonzo]

alright John I've got a question I'm surprised nobody's asked yet. Is there any songs in the movie? Better yet, original songs? I hope. I hope.

[Cantus Rock]

LoL, people...Can't any of you wait until the actual movie comes out to have your questions answered? Jeeze, you guys are becoming worse than Star Wars fans with an "inside source".

It will be on television VERY soon. Just be patient my anxious Muppet comrades! :)

-Matt

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by the_great_gonzo
alright John I've got a question I'm surprised nobody's asked yet. Is there any songs in the movie? Better yet, original songs? I hope. I hope.

yes. there are a few.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
LoL, people...Can't any of you wait until the actual movie comes out to have your questions answered? Jeeze, you guys are becoming worse than Star Wars fans with an "inside source".

It will be on television VERY soon. Just be patient my anxious Muppet comrades! :)

-Matt

vader is luke's father.

jf

[Cantus Rock]

GAH!! WHY'D YOU TELL ME?!?!?!?! :D

-Matt

[C'irdan]

Sorry John...just got a few more questions:

1. Is Sweetums in it anywhere? Is he in it more than in MFS? Does he have lines? Does he sound good?

2. Is Pops in in it anywhere? He is voiced by Jerry Nelson...and he was part of the Muppet Show theater crew...

3. Are there any characters that haven't really been seen anywhere but the muppet show and possibly in the background of the first 3 movies? Like Marvin Suggs and Crazy Harry? anyone like that?:D

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Sorry John...just got a few more questions:

1. Is Sweetums in it anywhere? Is he in it more than in MFS? Does he have lines? Does he sound good?

2. Is Pops in in it anywhere? He is voiced by Jerry Nelson...and he was part of the Muppet Show theater crew...

3. Are there any characters that haven't really been seen anywhere but the muppet show and possibly in the background of the first 3 movies? Like Marvin Suggs and Crazy Harry? anyone like that?:D

1. yes. can't recall sorry. i don't believe he has many lines if any.

2. not that i can recall.

3. i believe crazy harry may be in it, but i'm not 100% sure.

jf

[Zack the Dog]

well everyone else has been asing questions so i might as well too.


John, could you please tell me if Camilla is in it? i know you said there are chickens and penguins, but i mean Camilla.

How about Robin frog, Kermit's nephew?

You said bean bunny has a small background part, but does he have a line? him and robin really got squished in MFS with small cameo's, well bean really did get squished if you remember Piggy coming threw the door.

I would hope that statler and waldorf are in it, and i would think that they are, do you know for sure? I would hope the chef was in it to, it kinda worried me when you said you were not sure, if you have seen the whole movie.

and last but not least how about Beauregard and Dr Phil? are they seen in it at all?


oh one more question if you can answer it, Andy and Randy Pig along with bill the bubble guy and Mr Poddle pants are not in this right? i'd say Seymore too, but i like Seymore.

thanks you if you can answer any of these questions and thanks for all the questions you have already answered.

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
well everyone else has been asing questions so i might as well too.


John, could you please tell me if Camilla is in it? i know you said there are chickens and penguins, but i mean Camilla.

How about Robin frog, Kermit's nephew?

You said bean bunny has a small background part, but does he have a line? him and robin really got squished in MFS with small cameo's, well bean really did get squished if you remember Piggy coming threw the door.

I would hope that statler and waldorf are in it, and i would think that they are, do you know for sure? I would hope the chef was in it to, it kinda worried me when you said you were not sure, if you have seen the whole movie.

and last but not least how about Beauregard and Dr Phil? are they seen in it at all?


oh one more question if you can answer it, Andy and Randy Pig along with bill the bubble guy and Mr Poddle pants are not in this right? i'd say Seymore too, but i like Seymore.

thanks you if you can answer any of these questions and thanks for all the questions you have already answered.

there are just general chickens in one part. there's no featured 'camilla' part as far as i can remember.

robin is in it. he has several parts.

bean's part is much like his mfs part. sorry.

statler and waldorf are in the show. i'm sorry my lack of memory has you worried. as far as i can remember (let's all remember i saw this over a week ago and i only saw it once) chef has no major part or lines. i could be wrong though.

there were a lot of muppets in the background of scenes. i can't recall if any of the ones you mentioned are in there, but none of those have lines or featured parts.

jf

[Zack the Dog]

statler and waldorf are in the show. i'm sorry my lack of memory has you worried. as far as i can remember (let's all remember i saw this over a week ago and i only saw it once) chef has no major part or lines. i could be wrong though.

I'm sorry, i didn't mean to word it that way, i just ment i hope Henson didn't forget to add the Swedish Chef as he's a popular character and a main part of the muppet family. Thanks for answering all my questions, too bad for bean. I recall Rizzo saying on the MFS dvd comentary he love's it when that little rabbit gets squished. Bean was actualy going to be Steve's main character as a part to Rizzo, but he has lots of work to do with kermit now that sometimes rizzo is even pushed aside.


well hip hip horray no Andy and Randy or those other mooks, i feel bad for Cilfford thought, i mean they were trying to make him a main character with MT then just set him in as part of the gang with MFS and even in Muppet Monster A for playstation. now it looks like he's getting the Seymore treatment in a dissapearing act. he never really fit in with the muppets, i don't think he was wacky or wild enough, but this doesn't mean he's really gone for good, i don't really want him to be, i just don't think he should be a main muppet.

[Zack the Dog]

Hi John,

again i have a few last questions


well here is the question of all questions....is Moe Frackle in this movie? the Green Frackle that was seen on Louie Andersons Family Fued, and only that. i'm begining to think that's the only reason he was created.

I think Joey M performed him, but i'm not sure, i hope its not the end of him as he seemed like a funny new muppet with a classic frackle touch.

and here's that last question..what's christmasy about this movie, i mean it sound like one long Muppet show as of now, nothing wrong with that, but it's a christmas movie, Please don't answer this one John, we gotta have some surprizes, i just wanted to get people thinking about it.

just the Moe Frackle bit would be helpful, thanks again for the the great info!

zack) Rowlf the, i can't belive it happing this month!Dog.

[C'irdan]

Ok John, here goes:

1.Does Janice ever say Fer Sher?

2. How much is Scooter in it? Is he an 'almost' main character? what characters is he on the same level as?

3. Are Floyd and Janice "together" apparently in this movie?

4. How prominent is The Electric Mayhem in the movie? More than MFS or less? Who are the characters that are portrayed as 'central' and the main gang?

5. Does animal eat anything?

6. Does Crazy Harry have lines?

7. Does Miss Piggy stay true to Frank Oz even with her new voice?

8. Does Miss Piggy get into a grumbly mood anywhere in the film? Such as "Watch it, Hardware!" or in a bouncy skippy mood? So far we've only seen Eric perform her as calm and relaxed as well as in her absolute anger state in the Weezer music video...but does he do the grumbly and the bouncy moods well???????
:( :( :(

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog

well here is the question of all questions....is Moe Frackle in this movie? the Green Frackle that was seen on Louie Andersons Family Fued, and only that. i'm begining to think that's the only reason he was created.

i'm sorry, i don't know who this is. is there a pic of him somewhere?

jf

[C'irdan]

hey John don't skip me k?

:)

look back a couple posts...I have some more questions...:D

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
Ok John, here goes:

1.Does Janice ever say Fer Sher?

2. How much is Scooter in it? Is he an 'almost' main character? what characters is he on the same level as?

3. Are Floyd and Janice "together" apparently in this movie?

4. How prominent is The Electric Mayhem in the movie? More than MFS or less? Who are the characters that are portrayed as 'central' and the main gang?

5. Does animal eat anything?

6. Does Crazy Harry have lines?

7. Does Miss Piggy stay true to Frank Oz even with her new voice?

8. Does Miss Piggy get into a grumbly mood anywhere in the film? Such as "Watch it, Hardware!" or in a bouncy skippy mood? So far we've only seen Eric perform her as calm and relaxed as well as in her absolute anger state in the Weezer music video...but does he do the grumbly and the bouncy moods well???????
:( :( :(

1. i don't think so.
2. hard to say. he's not in the whole film, as much as say, fozzie or gonzo, but he does have some lines here and there.
3. no, not really.
4. don't know how to answer this question. if the snoop dog scene had stayed in they'd be more featured than they are. janice has a few lines. none of the others really do.
5. no, but he does drink something ;-)
6. he may,but none are sticking out in my head. they may be minor lines. lew has more lines that harry. i'm trying to remember if harry's in the movie. remember, i saw it once and it was two weeks ago!
7. piggy's voice is pretty close to frank's. out of the ones with new voices (fozzie, sam) her's is the closest.
8. piggy has an emotional scene later in the film. she goes through different emotions during it. i can't say much about it because it would give away too much of the plot.

i really don't mind answering "who's in it" or "how many lines" kind of questions, but i'm really trying to not give away any of the storyline other than what's been put out by other sources. (notice i haven't mentioned the moulin scrooge sequence even though others have). the reasons for this is i don't want to be accused of giving out spoilers and two i don't want to get in major, mondo trouble. i just want to give out enough to make you all even more excited than you are (and you should be, it's a good show). once it's out i will discuss away!

jf

[JohnFranklin]

these were posted in the entertainment weekly thread as things to look forward to:

Scooter cage-dancing at a rave

a bit were Animal funnel-chugs eggnog

and the implication of frog-human romance!


the scooter bit is very funny and a little disturbing. let's hope and pray there's no figure made for this puppet.

the animal bit answers the question above.

the frog human romance bit is with one of the brief cameos. it's very funny.

[C'irdan]

John...I'm sorry if I'm being pushy...If we get really REALLY pushy just let us know...and I will stop bugging you...I don't know about other people though...it sounds too good to be true!

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
John...I'm sorry if I'm being pushy...If we get really REALLY pushy just let us know...and I will stop bugging you...I don't know about other people though...it sounds too good to be true!

no. no one is being pushy at all. i like answering the questions! i feel like i'm contributing! i just hope everyone understands why i'm not just going to blurt out everything about the movie. me no want no trouble from my "source" and me no want to spoil it for ya'll! it's a great film and one of the better muppet things i've seen in a while (i liked muppets from space, but i'm a gonzo nut). it isn't the old "classic" kind of thing i think everyone's hoping they recapture, but this comes very close (in my opinion)! i do find it sad though that fank oz didn't do his roles. i understand that he's a director now and he may not want to spend hours a day with a bear on his arm, but he's missed. to me it was a little distracting watching and going, "hey, that's not fozzie or sam's voice!" piggy's was close though. anyway, I don't mind, ask away, just know there are limits! :-)

jf

[frogboy4]

Since there seems to be some outdoor shots, it is ever stated exactly where the Muppet Theater is? I have always figured it was in New York, but I'm not sure if it has ever been stated or implied.

Do we get to see more of the theater's architecture? The outside of it?

Are there two balconies visible?

Does everything look pretty much the same or kind of weird and clean like in the Weezer video?

How much of the special takes place in the theater?

I had just noticed that there were no real questions about the rest of the production. LOL!

Thanx, man. You rock.:)

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by frogboy4
Since there seems to be some outdoor shots, it is ever stated exactly where the Muppet Theater is? I have always figured it was in New York, but I'm not sure if it has ever been stated or implied.

Do we get to see more of the theater's architecture? The outside of it?

Are there two balconies visible?

Does everything look pretty much the same or kind of weird and clean like in the Weezer video?

How much of the special takes place in the theater?

I had just noticed that there were no real questions about the rest of the production. LOL!

Thanx, man. You rock.:)

there's a lot of scenes inside the theater. it is like "home base" for the movie. we do see the outside several times. i don't believe a city is mentioned. i think it's supposed to be "everycity, usa". the backstage set looked very similar to the weezer video. may even be the same one. seemed "bigger" though. what i mean was, the backstage of the theater from the muppet show always seemed this cramped space, like most backstages are. the one in it's a very merry muppet christmas movie seems a lot roomier. i think it's because they use some camera angles that they hadn't in the show.

jf

[frogboy4]

Thanx! Great to know we'll get more peeks at what the threater looks like. :) What was your favorite bit (without giving away too much)?

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by frogboy4
Thanx! Great to know we'll get more peeks at what the threater looks like. :) What was your favorite bit (without giving away too much)?

though his voice is a little off, there is a scene in the film that shows fozzie would do anything to help kermit out and to mee it was hilarious. the funny thing about it is that you don't even see fozzie do it but you know he is. confusing i know.

my other favorite part is the scene which includes scooter in a cage as mentioned above. there are some hilarious muppet variants in it and beaker is just about the funniest. bunsen is funny too.

jf

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
these were posted in the entertainment weekly thread as things to look forward to:

Scooter cage-dancing at a rave

a bit were Animal funnel-chugs eggnog

and the implication of frog-human romance!


the scooter bit is very funny and a little disturbing. let's hope and pray there's no figure made for this puppet.

the animal bit answers the question above.

the frog human romance bit is with one of the brief cameos. it's very funny.

And why would Henson do that when it's clear what people WANT is a frog-pig romance?

[Zack the Dog]

i'm sorry, i don't know who this is. is there a pic of him somewhere?"

hmm, i'll check Henson.com i think they had one there but, i think's it's gone now with the site changing. i would think you would remember him if he was in the christmas movie. just a green fuffy frackle with big ear's who's fast talking. maybe he's just seen in the background, please don't tell me who or what they are but are they any new Muppets coming out of this movie? yes/no?


Thanks for all the info again!


Zack

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by murgatoad
And why would Henson do that when it's clear what people WANT is a frog-pig romance?

the people will not be dissapointed! the frog-human is a thing that happend in the past, it's just talked about. it's not a central plot.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
i'm sorry, i don't know who this is. is there a pic of him somewhere?"

hmm, i'll check Henson.com i think they had one there but, i think's it's gone now with the site changing. i would think you would remember him if he was in the christmas movie. just a green fuffy frackle with big ear's who's fast talking. maybe he's just seen in the background, please don't tell me who or what they are but are they any new Muppets coming out of this movie? yes/no?


Thanks for all the info again!


Zack

well, the big, sorta 'fey', pig was new to me and since i've mentioned him a few times an no one's said anything, he could be new. i've never seen him before. i can't remember any new new ones. the show basically focuses on the "stars".

jf

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
janice does have a few lines in the final cut.

I love you.

[Crazy Harry]

John, run!

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

:mad:

[Crazy Harry]

:p

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

I repeat,

:mad:

[Crazy Harry]

I reiterate,

:p

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

Arrrrrrgh!

You've been too well-trained by Nate!

NOOOOOO!!

[Crazy Harry]

Yes, the great one has trained me well. One day, when he is old and weak, I will be forced to destroy him and take over his position.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Janice & Mokey's Man]

Originally posted by Crazy Harry
Yes, the great one has trained me well. One day, when he is old and weak, I will be forced to destroy him and take over his position.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:eek:

NOOOOOOOOO!!


















*stiflin' laughter, cause the way Chris said that was RULLY funny*

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
the people will not be dissapointed! the frog-human is a thing that happend in the past, it's just talked about. it's not a central plot.

jf

Well, you almost got me interested. And then I had to go and watch that "Scrubs" clip at NPR.

Oh, well.



"Here's the story...of a man named Brady..."

[C'irdan]

OK... john here's a wierd bunch of questions:

Could you possibly rate all 7 other muppet films for us and then this one? I really need to know whether my hopes are going to be up or if I shouldn't bother dreaming...

Out of 4 stars:

The Muppet Movie

The Great Muppet Caper

The Muppets Take Manhattan

The Muppet Christmas Carol

Muppet Treasure Island

Muppets From Space

Kermit Swamp Years

A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie

Thanks!:D

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by C'irdan
OK... john here's a wierd bunch of questions:

Could you possibly rate all 7 other muppet films for us and then this one? I really need to know whether my hopes are going to be up or if I shouldn't bother dreaming...

Out of 4 stars:


heh. this is all very subjective and i'm not sure if you'll like my answers. but just for fun, here we go:

The Muppet Movie - ****
The Great Muppet Caper - **
The Muppets Take Manhattan - **
The Muppet Christmas Carol - ***
Muppet Treasure Island - **
Muppets From Space - ***
Kermit Swamp Years - didn't see it
It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie - ***

told you i wouldn't like my responses. the muppet movie is the best ever. there's nothing funnier in muppetville than that movie. i base my ratings on what i've watched over and over (or more recently laughed out loud at, in the case of the christmas movie cause i've only seen it once). the christmas movie is one of the better things in a while. you'll love it (i think). the only thing that really detracted from my enjoyment was the new voices, but what can you do?

for the record, according to my source, the correct full title of the new movie is 'it's a very merry muppet christmas movie'. don't forget the it's!

jf

[C'irdan]

:eek:

You have very strange opinions...sorry...I'm the one with strange opinions. :)

Anyways...you really only would give GMC and MTM only 2 STARS???? WOW. Here's how I rate them:

Muppet Movie: ****

GMC: ****

MTM: ****

MCC: ***

MTI: ***

MFS: *** and 1/2

Kermit Swamp Years: *

yeah...so that's my opinions right there... My favorite of all of them is The Great Muppet Caper...although The Muppet Movie is right with it too.

[Warrick]

the fat Pig you speak of was in teh UK Scenes of Muppets Tonight.

He was always seen in his big statley home eating big statley food - LOL

He also had a Butler who can be seen in Muppets From Space.


See ya

[Zack the Dog]

Thanks again John for all the info, I'm sorry, i can't stop asking questions, of course you mostlikey would have told us if you knew that the snoop scene was going to be added to the VHS/DVD when it's for sale, and like you said you have not seen the scene but heard a little about it. Is there anyway that you could ask, who ever you would need to ask if the scene and or scene will be on the dvd/video? i know that snoop didn't get a 30 min cameo as i read 30 mins were cut out.

i only ask this because henson state's that they took out snoop and a few more parts for production reasons and that it wasn't part of the story line, and not for other reasons regarding snoop's life style. If this is ture why wouldn't they add it on the dvd even if it can't be on TV. i mean i dont think Henson would lie about the snoop part being cut, if it's not on the dvd does that mean henson was trying to cover it up, or some other reason about it? i can understand it if snoop was cut for his actions in other things, but i can't understand why henson would not add the part on the dvd if that wasn't the reason for the cut, but not that i know that for sure.

if this question is un answerable (is that a word?!!?) Dont worry about it as i would not want you to be in any hot water.

Thanks!

Zachary)Rowlf the,Dog.

[the_great_gonzo]

the article in EW listed some of the deleted stuff. there were 3:

1. Snoop Dogg and the Electric Mayhem

2. A suggestive scene with Pepe and Joan Cusack

3. I can't remember exactly. i'll check it out and then post it up here.

[Zack the Dog]

"the article in EW listed some of the deleted stuff. there were 3:

1. Snoop Dogg and the Electric Mayhem

2. A suggestive scene with Pepe and Joan Cusack

3. I can't remember exactly. i'll check it out and then post it up here."

Hello, thanks for that info, about this artical now, is it on news stand now? I thought it was coming out Monday, tomarrow, but was this last monday and it's been out all week long, in which i'm going to check the store right now! Thanks! bye bye<


Zack) Rowlf the, it's snowing! Dog.

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
the people will not be dissapointed! the frog-human is a thing that happend in the past, it's just talked about. it's not a central plot.

jf

By "romance", BTW, I'm not talking about "Piggy likes Kermit, while Kermit can't stand the pig". Just to clarify. :0

[Beauregard]

John Is Beauregard in it at all?

[Warrick]

The third scene they took out could be the mockin of Irish people being drunk and... Uhm... merry - LOL

But the way i read it was that it was scrapped before they filmed it.


See ya

[Fozzie Bear]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
about this artical now, is it on news stand now? I thought it was coming out Monday Zack) Rowlf the, it's snowing! Dog.

It's on MC's homepage now!

FOZ

[Thog]

I wonder what Mel Brooks is doing in this movie. I hope he's not a frog killer again
:D

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by *Warrick*
the fat Pig you speak of was in teh UK Scenes of Muppets Tonight.

He was always seen in his big statley home eating big statley food - LOL

He also had a Butler who can be seen in Muppets From Space.


See ya

oh yes. i remember that now i believe. he's really over the top in this movie. like way over the top.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
if this question is un answerable (is that a word?!!?) Dont worry about it as i would not want you to be in any hot water.

Thanks!

Zachary)Rowlf the,Dog.

i do not know the answer to this one. i can't really ask either, but if i somehow find out, i'll let you know for sure.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Beauregard
John Is Beauregard in it at all?

he may be in the background of a scene or two, but i don't recall him actually having lines. there's a lot of muppets floating around in the background of the movie.

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by *Warrick*
The third scene they took out could be the mockin of Irish people being drunk and... Uhm... merry - LOL

But the way i read it was that it was scrapped before they filmed it.


See ya

well, there is a scene that relates to irish dancing. that count?

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by Thog
I wonder what Mel Brooks is doing in this movie. I hope he's not a frog killer again
:D

he voices the narrator (who is a puppet)

jf

[JohnFranklin]

Originally posted by murgatoad
By "romance", BTW, I'm not talking about "Piggy likes Kermit, while Kermit can't stand the pig". Just to clarify. :0

you won't be dissapointed then.

jf

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by Thog
I wonder what Mel Brooks is doing in this movie. I hope he's not a frog killer again
:D

He was GREAT as a frog killer (in "The Muppet Movie"). Pity he got interrupted. :D

[Zack the Dog]

I wonder what Mel Brooks is doing in this movie. I hope he's not a frog killer again


well, you mean mad scientist;-)"Snake Walker" was the "frog killer, Dr. Kraffsmen only wanted to turn the brains in to jelly, not to be confused with the KSY loonatic sciene teacher Dr...Mr...Kraffsmen froggypants;-)



Zack)Rowlf the,Dog.

[Zack the Dog]

The third scene they took out could be the mockin of Irish people being drunk and... Uhm... merry - LOL

hi Warrick are you refuring to this artical or was there another one you read about this?


(But some of the new attitude was too edgy: A Snoop Dogg cameo (where he swaps stoner koans with the Electric Mayhem) was cut after execs realized the rapper was releasing a self-produced porn film; a suggestive scene with Pepe the Prawn and Cusack was trimmed; and a dig at Irish rowdiness was dropped.)


i guess the way they refer to "dropped" you ment by didn't get filmed, and if it didn't get filmed then we won't miss it. i mean i hope as much as almost everyone that the snoop and EM part is on the DVD,as well as this pepe scene too, but after reading many artcials like that one i really doubt it,i think henson might have just been covering up the fact then with saying that snoop's snoopyness had nothing to do with the cut and that it didn't advace the storyline there for it was cut as part of the 30 min's that had to be cut for time & production.


Zack)Rowlf the dog.

[murgatoad]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
well, you mean mad scientist;-)"Snake Walker" was the "frog killer, Dr. Kraffsmen only wanted to turn the brains in to jelly, not to be confused with the KSY loonatic sciene teacher Dr...Mr...Kraffsmen froggypants;-)



Zack)Rowlf the,Dog.

Mel was an absolute hoot. "The Muppet Movie" had great villians. The rest of the films (bear in mind I didn't see MTI or MFS and don't count Scrooge because he isn't a Henson creation) sorely lacked that essential element.

[Beauregard]

Originally posted by JohnFranklin
he may be in the background of a scene or two, but i don't recall him actually having lines. there's a lot of muppets floating around in the background of the movie.

jf


Whaaa. :( *Crys uncrontrolibly* (Stupid thing to cry I know.)