Characters who should have been babies

[minor muppetz]

are there any muppets who you think should have been babies on this show?

It seems like the producers of this show chose to avoid using characters with facial hair, so dr. teeth, floyd, lew zeland, and the swedish chef were not used. They also wisely avoided making characters who were really older than the normal muppets into babies (it was clever that Statler and Waldorf were old even when the muppets were babies).

Anyway, I think that janice (yes, i know she was in a last season episode), zoot, beauregard, sweetums, link hogthrob, annie sue pig and sam the eagle should have been on this show.

Janice could have had whatever personality she had in her appearance on the show. Zoot could have been a very quiet (and musically talented) baby. Beauregard could have been interested in building and/ or cleaning things. sam could have been a bossy baby (Piggy was bossy on the show) who appreciated american history at a young age, maybe he could have also been interested in reading. Sweetums obviosuly would have been a big baby, maybe more hyper than Animal but easier to understand (i have once read on the message board at yesterdayland.com that Sweetums was originally polanned to be a baby before it was decided to introduce skeeter on the show). Link could have been a baby who was often hungry or perhaps even always willing to try new things (even if he failed at many of them)Annie Sue could have been interested in nature or reading. hmmm, skeeter was created just for this show so that another female could be on there, but the muppets already had some female characters, even if many were not recgnizable. Anyway, I think that those characters should have at least made occassional appearances (like how bunsne, beaker, statler, waldorf, and bean did).

Also, Bean Bunny was added to the cast around the time of The Jim henson Hour. Maybe more JHH characters should have been part of the show, including Digit (he would have made a good buddy for bunsen, beaker, or baby scooter), leon, and lindberg.

what do you think?

[BEAR]

nice ideas. I think that Rowlf was meant to be the musical one on the show and thats it.

[minor muppetz]

nice ideas. I think that Rowlf was meant to be the musical one on the show and thats it.

yeah, I guess you're right. Animal wasn't even as musical as he was in the various live action muppet productions. :halo:

[Vic Romano]

This may prove to be a helpful thread as an upcoming piece in my Weekly Creative Muppet Visuals Thread (http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=21185) sometime in late November or even early 2006 possibly will be these and other characters illustrated as Muppet Babies... including Uncle Deadly and :attitude:

[BEAR]

yeah, I guess you're right. Animal wasn't even as musical as he was in the various live action muppet productions. :halo:


I don't remember the exact reasons they added a Baby Animal, but one thing i would think of is that Animal was always such a popular character, far more than the rest of the band and they probably figured he would be a strong choice. Plus he is so cute as a baby.

[Kimp the Shrimp]

Baby Sweetums, Baby Sam Baby Ernie,Bert, Grover, Cookie Monster, Elmo

Baby BITBBH, Treelo, pip and pop

[Gonzo14]

I thinks baby Sam the Eagle would be a good idea :attitude:

[Beauregard]

This may prove to be a helpful thread as an upcoming piece in my Weekly Creative Muppet Visuals Thread (http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=21185) sometime in late November or even early 2006 possibly will be these and other characters illustrated as Muppet Babies... including Uncle Deadly and :attitude:
*colapses*

Man this I gotta see! We did have an old thread here with Lew, Chef, and Johnny as baies done by Jamie. Also I made a Baby Beau pic. Will provide a link to it sometime.

[BEAR]

Baby Sweetums, Baby Sam Baby Ernie,Bert, Grover, Cookie Monster, Elmo

Baby BITBBH, Treelo, pip and pop


Elmo is basically already a baby, so it wouldn't really change anything.

[Xerus]

I thinks baby Sam the Eagle would be a good idea :attitude:

I always thought so too. I can imagine a Baby Sam enforcing the rules of the nursery. Especially trying to get Baby Animal to behave, but with no luck.

[Kimp the Shrimp]

Baby Ernie & Bert wuld have been great

[BEAR]

Baby Ernie & Bert wuld have been great


I always see toys and things with baby versions of Bert, Ernie, Cookie, Bird, Oscar and I think Grover. Would be interesting to see a show made of it.

[ryhoyarbie]

They should have made a baby Zoot who was different than his adult character. He could have talked a lot, to the point to where the others wanted him to bequiet. He could even have been the only baby who never wanted to go to sleep because he was never tired. Although if they had Janice a little older than the rest of the babies like Rowlf and Kermit, then I guess Zoot could have been Janice's age since Zoot as an adult is described as a burnt out 50 year old musican.

ryan

[BEAR]

They should have made a baby Zoot who was different than his adult character. He could have talked a lot, to the point to where the others wanted him to bequiet. He could even have been the only baby who never wanted to go to sleep because he was never tired. Although if they had Janice a little older than the rest of the babies like Rowlf and Kermit, then I guess Zoot could have been Janice's age since Zoot as an adult is described as a burnt out 50 year old musican.

ryan


Haha! From my POV, all of the men of the Electric Mayhem (excepting Animal) appear to be old burnt out musicians.

[minor muppetz]

If any fairly obscure characters (like Lew Zeland, Beauregard, or Thog) were used on the show, I wonder if they would be better known today?

After all, it seems like back in the 1970s and 1980s, Bunsen and beaker were just as important characters as Link Hogthrob, Beauregard, Pops, The Swedish Chef, and other of the same kind of characters. They appeared sparringly in the specials from the 1980s (they weren't in John Denver And The Muppets: Rocky Mountain Holiday, and aside from some brief clips, Bunsen didn't appear in The Muppets Go To The Movies, and both characters only had really small roles in the other specials. Also, they didn't have any lines in The Muppets take manhattan, althouhg I have read that they had a scene that was cut from the movie). However, after the deaths of Jim Henson and Richard Hunt (Beakers performer), they were used a lot more, having bigger parts in the movies and being quite major on Muppets Tonight. They hesitated to recast Rowlf and Scooter, who were both more important characters, and many of jerry Nelsons characters were not used much (even though Jerry nelson was still as major of a performer in the 1990s as he was in the 1970s and 1980s).

[BEAR]

If any fairly obscure characters (like Lew Zeland, Beauregard, or Thog) were used on the show, I wonder if they would be better known today?

After all, it seems like back in the 1970s and 1980s, Bunsen and beaker were just as important characters as Link Hogthrob, Beauregard, Pops, The Swedish Chef, and other of the same kind of characters. They appeared sparringly in the specials from the 1980s (they weren't in John Denver And The Muppets: Rocky Mountain Holiday, and aside from some brief clips, Bunsen didn't appear in The Muppets Go To The Movies, and both characters only had really small roles in the other specials. Also, they didn't have any lines in The Muppets take manhattan, althouhg I have read that they had a scene that was cut from the movie). However, after the deaths of Jim Henson and Richard Hunt (Beakers performer), they were used a lot more, having bigger parts in the movies and being quite major on Muppets Tonight. They hesitated to recast Rowlf and Scooter, who were both more important characters, and many of jerry Nelsons characters were not used much (even though Jerry nelson was still as major of a performer in the 1990s as he was in the 1970s and 1980s).

Bunsen and Beaker both had great roles in The Muppet Movie. To me, they are still a bit of a step up from Lew or Beau or Chef and the like. It's true that they did seem to step forward into even bigger roles in films after Jim and Richards death (the collectors in Christmas Carol, the research/development doctors in Treasure Island, and great supporting roles in Muppets from Space, Muppet xmas Movie, and Oz), but so did Sam Eagle.
Also, none of Jerry Nelson's characters were all that major. He only had a bunch of supporting character on the secondary and third level. His most major character was Floyd and he wasn't ever much of a class one character unless he was with the band.

[ReneeLouvier]

Old Thread I know. But I would just LOVE to see Baby Beauregard, and Baby Sam!! That would be so cool!!

[McFraggle]

Baby Sam, Baby Beau, and a Baby Crazy Harry would have been cool. :crazy:

[TotallySpiesFan]

Baby Link Hogthrob and Baby Zoot could've been cool too.

[Sgt Floyd]

I would love to see what floyd would look like as a baby. Its kinda hard to picture it. *tries to imagine floyd as a baby* Nope, drawing a blank

[Gonzo14]

Zoot would be the same, just with less hair and shorter

[crazed gonzo fa]

This may prove to be a helpful thread as an upcoming piece in my Weekly Creative Muppet Visuals Thread (http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=21185) sometime in late November or even early 2006 possibly will be these and other characters illustrated as Muppet Babies... including Uncle Deadly and :attitude:
Oh please do this Vic, I love your thread! I can imagine Uncle Deadly always playing scary pranks on the otther muppets!:eek: :crazy:

[SirGiggles]

he wasnt an active muppet member yet but he would be great pepe the prawn

[ZootyCutie]

I rully wanted to see a baby version of the full Electric Mayhem, one that also includes Lips. They would play little toy versions of their instruments. It would of been so adorable!

[minor muppetz]

Bunsen and Beaker both had great roles in The Muppet Movie. To me, they are still a bit of a step up from Lew or Beau or Chef and the like. It's true that they did seem to step forward into even bigger roles in films after Jim and Richards death (the collectors in Christmas Carol, the research/development doctors in Treasure Island, and great supporting roles in Muppets from Space, Muppet xmas Movie, and Oz), but so did Sam Eagle.

I don't think Sam's roles in post-Henson movies was expanded that much. His big scenes in MCC and MWoO were basically cameos, and his scenes in MFS and IAVMMCM were short cameos, similar to the cameos in GMC.

Also, none of Jerry Nelson's characters were all that major. He only had a bunch of supporting character on the secondary and third level. His most major character was Floyd and he wasn't ever much of a class one character unless he was with the band.

Sure, they weren't major, but some of them (Floyd, Robin, maybe Lew Zealand and Dr. Strangepork) should have been expanded more. And I think Floyd was a class one character without the band (I don't really know what you mean by "class one", but he did have a lot of scenes without the rest of the band, especially backstage).

[peyjenk]

Baby Sweetums could be adorable. :) A big lump of hair with a diaper and pacifier...

[muppet baby]

nice ideas. I think that Rowlf was meant to be the musical one on the show and thats it.

oh yes i totally agreen on that ! He was so great in muppet babies :)

[Yellow]

Dr teeth should have been a baby...

[Emeowrald]

It would've been intersesting to see what the Fraggles would've been like as babies.

[BeakerSqueedom]

Pepe the Prawn as a baby....AWWWW! Or Johnny Fiama but even cuter
SAL! X3 AWWW!

[ZootyCutie]

I was thinking of a baby Nigel the Conductor or a baby Trumpet Lady. Of course, a baby Clifford and a baby Zippety Zap are up there too, I like these ideas.

[PhsychoChimp]

Pops as a baby would have been funny... Maybe Sweetums, with a small bow in his fur, and big suspenders.

[cherrypotion27]

It would've been intersesting to see what the Fraggles would've been like as babies.

I gotta agree with you there, Emeowrald. Imagine Wembley, or better yet, Boober, as babies. I wonder what Boober as a baby would be like?

Patricia/cherrypotion27 (a huge Boober fan)

[The Count]

Well... If you get the chance, talk to some of the peeps on the forum here to see if anyone has the full run of Fraggle Rock the Animated Series in their Muppet video libraries. There's a particular episode of the animated series, featuring the song that idealizes the Trash Heap's wishes of Gorgs and Doozers and Fraggles living together in perfect harmony. In the animated series, I believe it was Red who sang the song, though I could be wrong. During the sequence for the song in the animated episode, there's a bit of a dream moment where some of the Fraggle Five are seen as babies.

Hope this helps.

[Gloat]

Gloat, but thats cos hes my fave and i love 'im

wonder what the frackles would look like as babies ^_^

[LincolnHeights]

This may sound Silly but I always thought a Baby Swedish Chef would be a good idea. Obviously he wouldn't be a real chef, but he would be a baby from Sweden and wear a little chef's hat and play apron, and always try to cook stuff with whatever he could find around the nursery, like a Peanut Butter and Jelly Caserole :p

[Beauregard]

Baby Uncle Deadly would be the cutest thing ever seen...cute cute cute!

Of course he wouldn't be Uncle Deadly then...if he hadn't died at that point...but who knows.

[PhsychoChimp]

His name could have been, Deadly Rascal.

[The Count]

Two thoughts...

1 Uncle Deadly could've cameoed as himself, a fully animated version of the adult phantomly dragon, as a thirdsometimes substitute uncle for whenever Uncles Statler and Waldorf couldn't make it to babysit the babies.
2 Uncle Dedly could've been brought in in baby form, probably named Baby Deadly or slightly older as Toddler Deadly, comparable to Toddler Janice.
If it were Baby Deadly, they could still get away with making him a spooky baby dragon, sort of guided by the baby form of the Cryptkeeper in the episode Lower Birth.
If it were Toddler Deadly, he could have some signs of his phantomly form present within his physique.
Another thing... He could also have Yorick as a toy skull that comes alive in the imagination segments, much like how Camilla was a stuffed chicken.

[muppet baby]

It would've been intersesting to see what the Fraggles would've been like as babies.

oh yes that i totally agree that would be great maybe they will do a animated series like that . would be so great . A show like froggle rock but with them as bables would have been great .;)

[BabyScooter]

what if there was a swedish chef and he would always try to put one of the muppet babies in the pot or try to cook the or fry. lol.

[BabyScooter]

maybe these food items the muppet babies could be. kermit frog legs, piggy a "ham" burger, fozzie roast bear (supposed to be roast beef but he would taste funny.),gonzo weirdo al a moad, rowlf cookie (cook-key like on the piano), animal he can't catch him. sceeter flip jacks, scooter I don't know.

[emberfire]

how about....scooter computer chips and salsa....

[ZootyCutie]

WHAT? I doubt that they could use that on a kid's show like that. :concern:

[Erine81981]

Someone i remember but can't remember who did it. I found a pic that someone here had done of characters but in baby form. I wished they would put it up again. I had it saved back in the day but with all the computer virus we had all the stuff i had saved just disapparead. But these ideas would be cool for another Muppet Babies series for the near futures.

[BabyScooter]

emberfire that's a great idea! thx;)

[ZootyCutie]

After hearing on Muppets Tonight how Nigel the Director was bottle-fed coffee when he was a baby, I think that he would of made a hilarious baby, always hyper all the time.

[Beauregard]

Hey, I didn't realise that Nigel was in Muppet's Tonight. Is it the same Nigel as the conductor from TMS? And if so, who voiced him?

Something I'd love to have seen in the series, was baby Frackles. They could have been in an episode as cute little monster villians or something.

[Beauregard]

Oh, it somehow double posted. I do appologise. And I will now tap-dance as penance. *does*

[The Count]

No... Nigel the Orchestra Conductor from TMS and Nigel the Control Room Director from MT are two completely different characters. Nigel (TMS) was performed/voiced by Jim, whereas Nigel (MT) was probably performed/voiced by Brian though you can doublecheck at Muppet Wiki.

[Beauregard]

Ahhh! Oh, was he the crazed droopy-nosed creature? (Yes, my MT knowledge is very very limited, although I have seen various episodes on YouTube.)

[The Count]

Possibly... Though I can't say for sure, you know the extents of my batty eyes. Check it at Muppet Wiki, they'll have pics of the characters too there.

[ZootyCutie]

Ahhh! Oh, was he the crazed droopy-nosed creature? (Yes, my MT knowledge is very very limited, although I have seen various episodes on YouTube.)

Yes, that's him.

[GSmiley2007]

You know, I've been thinking about baby versions of some of the newer Muppets, like Rosita, Abby Cadabby, Zoe, and Kingston Livingston III as babies, although I know they weren't around when Muppet Babies was, but still... ;-)

Anyhoo, regarding Boober Fraggle as a baby, he'd look like his adult counterpart, only he'd have visible eyes and shorter hair (and a shorter body), but his personality would be the same, with him telling weird superstitions to the other Muppet Babies and being obsessed with cleaning up instead of playing with the others. :-)

[Baby Rowlf]

Baby Doglion. Awwwwwww.

Though you know, with all these baby versions of characters like Sweetums and Doglion and Uncle Deadly, and Johnny Fiama (and Sal!)...one has to wonder how NANNY would cope with all of this!

[maniacal muppet]

It's kinda random, but if you have a video with Sweetums and you can listen to it as you speed t up, you can hear what he would probably sound like :)

I found this out because I have a copy of the 30 year ann. on video from the U.K. and my vcr doesn't accept that kinda tape so I got to a part with Sweetums and it's all fast and funny :)

[ZootyCutie]

You guys should like this. It works for this thread:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/62062299/

[Beauregard]

*stares*

I would so have loved to see Annie Sue as a baby in that series. That would have been the butest, and most annoying, thing ever! She could have been the sweet one that was both adorable and just downright loverly, while Piggy went on scheming around her.

I love the idea of Uncle D having a toy Yorrick skull.

[GSmiley2007]

Now I've got to wonder-- what voice actors would do these proposed Muppet Babies characters of ours?

For me, I'd either get the Muppeteers themselves, or, these guys (of course some of them are the original VAs from Muppet Babies):

These are examples:

Frank Welker - In addition to doing Baby Kermit, Beaker, and Skeeter, I could see him doing Baby Oscar and Baby Count. And a Baby Sprocket and Treelo, too...

Katie Leigh - She'd do a pretty good Baby Telly and Baby Guy Smiley, given that she does a really good Baby Rowlf (and that their voices might sound similar).

Greg Berg - Wow... his voice for Baby Fozzie is very close to the adult version! I wonder if he could do a baby version of Bert as well...

Russi Taylor - I imagined her doing baby versions of Grover, Elmo, Prairie Dawn (although her voice would sound more like Minnie Mouse instead of Baby Gonzo), Sam the Eagle, Tutter the Mouse, and Wembley Fraggle.

Tom Kenny (of SpongeBob SquarePants fame) - I imagined him doing baby versions of Snuffy, Fat Blue, The Amazing Mumford, and Gobo Fraggle.

So, what do you think? ;-) (Maybe you guys have better ideas. :-D)

[ZootyCutie]

Speaking of that Katie Leigh thing, I thought she'd be a good Baby Dr. Teeth, due to the adult versions of him and Rowlf sound the same.

[GSmiley2007]

Just thought about Dave Coulier... I'd picture him doing baby versions of Big Bird, Ernie (although I might also picture Frank Welker doing him since the adult versions of Ernie and Kermit sound the same), and Cookie Monster, in addition to his baby versions of Animal, Bunsen Honeydew, Bean Bunny, and the one-time appearance of Baby Janice.

And speaking of Kermit... I wonder if he'll wear his cute little sailor suit if he becomes a Sesame Beginnings character. ;-)

[GSmiley2007]

Oh, forgot to mention Dave doing Uncle Statler and Uncle Waldorf as well.

Also forgot to mention... If Rob Paulsen did a good job doing the adult Boober in the Fraggle Rock cartoon, he could do a baby Boober as well (but with a voice similar to Carl Wheezer from Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius). :-D

[Beauregard]

I can't see Kermit being a Sesame Begins character....but if he was, it would be awesome for him to wear that darling little suit of his!