Your Thoughts: Kermit's Swamp Years: TV Airings and Opinions [Archive]

Sunshineboz

08-19-2002, 01:10 PM

Hey all,
I saw the show and felt it was very very kid oriented (well of course, but...) I just had a hope there would be more adult humor added or more subtle sarcasm. I did like the Woody Allen type friend in Goggles and the laid back / prideful attitude of Croakers. Those two were cool and funny.

But for some reason, it just didn't grab me or make me really laugh out loud. It was more cute than anything else.
I think it would be nice to have more swamp years adventures as I want to see the whole adolescence of Kermit unfold to bravery where he'll leave the swamp.

Puppetry wise, I liked it very much. Felt it was right on. I also really enjoyed the credits / goofy outtakes.

For a first run, it was ok, seemed amateur (story wise) but if more are made, they can perfect it. I have optimism for the Swamp years in future tense if it is a possibility to have more shows made. Anyway, good day to all. :-)

Struble

08-19-2002, 01:15 PM

Anybody watch this with their kids or their sisters kids or their neighbors kids or the kids they randomly pulled off the street? I'd like to know what the target audience thought of it.

Sh.

sidcrowe

08-19-2002, 11:26 PM

Is that all the replies?

It wasn't on in my area, but I'm REALLY curious about what y'all have to say.

sidcrowe

08-19-2002, 11:33 PM

Oh yeah...my website is under construction, but my splash page now has a new pic featuring Kermit.

Check it out:D

dan

08-20-2002, 12:32 PM

I found Kermit's Swamp Years to be so boring that it was almost unwatchable. If I was watching it alone I don't think I would have been able to make it through the whole thing.

The "humans" in the movie were so over-the-top silly in there acting styles that it was extremely annoying.

What was up with that dog? I couldn't get a handle on her character. Was she funny? Cause I wasn't laughing.

I LOVE the Muppets and I couldn't wait for it to be over. (sigh)

Steve Whitmire told me at Muppetfest that the upcoming Kermit's Swamp Years was a throwback to the original Muppet Movie and had a lot of the same feel and charm. Oh God Steve, I hope you don't actually beleive that. Otherwise we're all in a lot of trouble.

Jackie

08-20-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by dan
I found Kermit's Swamp Years to be so boring that it was almost unwatchable. If I was watching it alone I don't think I would have been able to make it through the whole thing.

The "humans" in the movie were so over-the-top silly in there acting styles that it was extremely annoying.

What was up with that dog? I couldn't get a handle on her character. Was she funny? Cause I wasn't laughing.

I LOVE the Muppets and I couldn't wait for it to be over. (sigh)

Steve Whitmire told me at Muppetfest that the upcoming Kermit's Swamp Years was a throwback to the original Muppet Movie and had a lot of the same feel and charm. Oh God Steve, I hope you don't actually beleive that. Otherwise we're all in a lot of trouble.

It was just so bad, it was sad....

Smig

08-20-2002, 01:31 PM

You diss on KSY for being too cute and yet you quote Teddy Ruxpin. Boy, are your values warped.:rolleyes:

Smig

Jackie

08-20-2002, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Smig
You diss on KSY for being too cute and yet you quote Teddy Ruxpin. Boy, are your values warped.:rolleyes:

Smig

Swamp Years wasn't CUTE~! It was bad!

Traveling Matt

08-20-2002, 02:43 PM

Hey SNLIM-

Welcome to the board!

Where in Texas are you?

- Billy :cool:

tomahawk

08-20-2002, 02:53 PM

i can't wait to buy swamp years on dvd!!!! i have a great feeling from all of the reviews i'm going to love it!!!!!!!!

Jackie

08-20-2002, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by tomahawk
i can't wait to buy swamp years on dvd!!!! i have a great feeling from all of the reviews i'm going to love it!!!!!!!!

Don't hold your breath!

LOL!

REALLY! Don't!

DrummerMan

08-20-2002, 03:31 PM

Contains a couple of VERY mild spoilers

Ok... I know a bunch of you were expecting the Muppet Movie, except one better, but i think because you weren't blown away by the overall movie, you missed some of the subtleties.

I think it WAS a return to the old style of Muppet movies. A lot of the elemenets of The Muppet Movie were back, including the overall feel of the piece... where it felt less like a manufactured Muppet world inhabited by a few humans and more like the Muppets of old, just being their own little part of the real world.

I personally loved the character of Pilgrim. To me she embodied what a dog would be like if they talked.... hyper, somewhat nonsensical, and thrilled by things only a dog could love.

Goggles and Croaker were also very well done. Goggles was a great obsesive compulsive Woddy Allen type and Croaker, though obviously a weird mix of Johnny Fiama and Pepe, had some great lines and was a good, solid character.

I thought the references to Jim were fun, though sadly made WAY too obvious (come on... did we need the full screen shot of the mailbox)?

The running gag with the bunnies was true classic Muppets (and an adult joke, I may add)

The songs weren't show stoppers (as my friend pointed out, you could tell that Paul Williams wasn't involved), but they were stronger than most that have come out of recent family fare, and at least the muppets got to sing again. The Pet song was definitely classic Muppet style.

Not to say there weren't some serious down sides. In general, the human acting was sub par and was missing that key Muppet ingrediant of throwing in famous faces in roles you would never expect (though this wasn't surprising after seeing the lack of famous faces at the 25th anniversary celebration... guess today's Hollywood crop is "too good" to work with the Muppets).

The other thing that was seriously missing from a classic Muppet standpoint was characters. Most of the Muppets were extras, with limited personalities and lines. That was one of the things that made the early muppet movies so endearing was that there were new characters popping up everywhere and each had a real personality.

I also agree tha thte flashback was a bit on the dark and twisted side and for a movie that is geared primarily towards kids, coudl be very distrubing.

To sum up in short... I found myself laughing frequently and at times hard. This is impressive, since I'm not an easy sell when it comes to comedy (The Farrelly Brothers leave me flat). Plus, as with other newer movies, the cut scenes were the best part of all.

In todays movie market, I give it atleast a 6 out of 10 (bordering on a 7) and hope it's a spring board for even greater Muppet movies to come. It's got to be hard without the genius of Jim... I'd say they are doing pretty good, considering.

SNLIM

08-20-2002, 09:52 PM

Hey traveling matt, i'm originally (i say originally but not technically born there but wish i was) from arlington but have reccently moved to the woodlands (basically houston).

My family and I are huge muppet fans but also go for anything and everything henson or oz. I myself, being only 17, didn't actually grow up when the muppet show was big so I grew up through old video tapes from my siblings. I can't tell you how nice it is to talk to people about muppets because nobody in my general age group know or cares about muppets! It really is sad, but hopefully this whole "25th anniversary" thing will spark some new intrest.

BTW: does anybody know about anymore dark crystal figures being relased? such as mystics and skeksis?

sidcrowe

08-21-2002, 12:13 AM

Keep me abreast of any Skeksis or Mystics that come out. The Jen and Kira dolls looked weird.

frogboy4

08-21-2002, 12:55 AM

Welcome to the board! I'm from Houston though I now live in San Francisco. Too bad there aren't more Muppet fans your age, but maybe after the new fox show next year there will be.

There are no plans at the current time to make Dark Crystal figures though Ken of Palisades has expressed some interest in another thread. There are dolls of Jen and Kira from Sideshow: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/dk_cryst.html

Hope that helped.

sidcrowe

08-21-2002, 03:26 AM

But Froggy, what did you think of Swamp Years?

:confused:

frogboy4

08-21-2002, 03:28 AM

Don't have Stars. Have to wait for the DVD. Not in a hurry to see it really.

sidcrowe

08-21-2002, 03:35 AM

Nah, me neither.

From what we've heard so far, it seems every bit the sad slab of banal product I feared it'd be:(

Anyhoo, there's a new DVD version of 1984's Gremlins out:)

Kinda Muppet-y, I guess:p

frogboy4

08-21-2002, 03:50 AM

I can't believe they got some cheesy actors to be in this. Why not just use the puppeteers then? That would be cool and they all have made cameos.

SNLIM

08-21-2002, 06:08 AM

i think that the jen and kira look sort of weird myself (i own a pair), but not too bad. anyway, after this airing of swamp years i'm not so psyched about the new fox series if it's going to be anything like this. i'd rather them just use the old muppet show formatt with modern guest start, but then again i guess that's sort of what they tried to do with muppets tonight which bit the dust so...

Jackie

08-21-2002, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by frogboy4
I can't believe they got some cheesy actors to be in this. Why not just use the puppeteers then? That would be cool and they all have made cameos.

It was worse than cheesy. IT was so bad they should have redone it.

Struble

08-21-2002, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by sidcrowe
From what we've heard so far, it seems every bit the sad slab of banal product I feared it'd be:(Yeah, "from what you've heard." It's amazing that you haven't heard |anything| good about it. Yeap.

I have a theory. My theory is that there isn't anybody who "expected" to hate it. Just people who |wanted| to hate it, so they did.

Monkeys on surfboards eating bananas.
Sh.

Struble

08-21-2002, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by SNLIM
anyway, after this airing of swamp years i'm not so psyched about the new fox series if it's going to be anything like this. That's a really abstract connection that you are making there. Because |you| didn't like a movie that was 100% geared for children, you don't expect the show -- which if not directed more towards adults, will be aimed at the whole family -- will not be good? Just because they were both made by the same people doesn't mean that they'll be |anything| alike. It would be like making a judgement on the movie Desperado after watching Spy Kids. They really have nothing in common.

Sh.

tomahawk

08-21-2002, 09:58 AM

i am so excited to buy this movie!!!!!! sept. 3 cannot come quick enough. like i said before the reveiws are really getting me up for swamp years.

Sunshineboz

08-21-2002, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by frogboy4
Don't have Stars. Have to wait for the DVD. Not in a hurry to see it really.

I wouldn't be in a hurry except that I did see it. I hope you like it Jamie. As I put, I wasn't completely sold but I wasn't disappointed by it either. OPTIMISM!!!

dan

08-21-2002, 12:50 PM

I have NEVER wanted to not like a muppet movie. I get so fired up everytime one is released. But I am also able to call a film what it is, and this was SSOOOOOOOO BORING!
I was extremely disappointed and would have been willing to except a lot less.

towels

08-21-2002, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Struble
That's a really abstract connection that you are making there. Because |you| didn't like a movie that was 100% geared for children, you don't expect the show -- which if not directed more towards adults, will be aimed at the whole family -- will not be good? Just because they were both made by the same people doesn't mean that they'll be |anything| alike. It would be like making a judgement on the movie Desperado after watching Spy Kids. They really have nothing in common.

Sh.

Were Desperado and Spy Kids produced by the same people? Written by the same people? I guarantee I'll pass judgement on any movie advertising "From the writer of Speed" or "From the Producers of Waterworld" before I see it.

To me the questions should be why was this movie 100% geared for children? Who made that decision? How do we know they won't make that same decision for the series?

frogboy4

08-21-2002, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by SNLIM
anyway, after this airing of swamp years i'm not so psyched about the new fox series if it's going to be anything like this.
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The new Muppet Show will be something new and edgy but will have classic elements. It is still in the formative stages, but it will likely be for a more adult audience. I wouldn't worry.

Sunshineboz

08-21-2002, 03:02 PM

I think a few people are jumping to conclusions. This was a unique instance of a "different" type of show. They have to experiment y'all, they're artists and the must get their feet wet and try things out!!

It doesn't mean that one not so good show will reflect on the rest. Just wait and see, predictions are just going to drive you insane and the "what if's" will only remain "what if's" regarding the comparison of KSY to the series coming up.

If you're true Muppet fans, then remain optimistic...Believe in the power of the MUPPETS and their maintainers.

I can eat my words later if need be but I'm thinking I won't have to.

Take it easy yo.

Struble

08-21-2002, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by towels
Were Desperado and Spy Kids produced by the same people? Written by the same people?
Both films were written, directed, and produced by Robert Rodriguez. He also did some of the camera operation in both films. With some of the other producers being the same people. Also Antonio Banderas and Cheech Marin play parts in both movies.

These are, of course, two very different type of movies, and making judgements on one based on the other would just be plain silly.

Sh.

SNLIM

08-21-2002, 09:29 PM

i really didn't mean to start such an uproar by my last post, i realize that the new fox series may not be anything like swamp years and all that, i was just thinking. not that i don't want y'all to point out when i'm screwing up and stuff, i prefer you to, but i just wanted to let y'all (y'all? geez i really am in texas) know that i wasn't totally being pessimistic about the new series. i suppose that most of you are right in the whole "keeping faith in the muppets" and all.

Now for something unrelated and random: (don't think i'm obsessed with these figures or anything) has anyone heard of rumors of a pepe action figure?

frogboy4

08-21-2002, 11:18 PM

Pepe is a distinct possibility for an action figure since Palisades has the rights to Muppets From Space and Muppets Tonight. I'd count on it, "okay". People have been predicting he will come in 2003 or early 2004. :)

And don't worry, I say "y'all" all the time. So now there's two of us!

kansasteen14

08-22-2002, 07:23 PM

just have to say I dont know if I will see KSY or care to.anyway I really hope the new muppet show isnt made just for kids OR geared towards adults.I hope it's a family show.

danielromens

08-23-2002, 11:04 AM

taken for what it is, i.e. a kids movie, I think it was good. as for a movie for adults, well it's a kids movie.

Joggy

08-23-2002, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by frogboy4
quote:
The new Muppet Show will be something new and edgy but will have classic elements. It is still in the formative stages, but it will likely be for a more adult audience. I wouldn't worry.

That's what they said about Muppets Tonight... And ever since, everything they did with the Muppets turned out to be "not what we wanted it to be." I really doubt that this new Muppet Show will be anything like the old one.

Jackie

08-23-2002, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by danielromens
taken for what it is, i.e. a kids movie, I think it was good. as for a movie for adults, well it's a kids movie.

I think kids deserve better movies than that. :)

Joggy

08-26-2002, 01:28 PM

I'm not sure if it was this thread, but Jackie and some other people stated they hated to see Kermit catch a fly with his tongue, whereas he said in the Muppet Movie "The tongue goes and you can't catch flies."

I've been doing some research on this subject and my conclusion is: you guys should all have to hate The Muppets At Walt Disney World. You actually see Kermit catch and eat some mosquitoes. Okay, you don't see his tongue, but he still catches those bugs!

In a Dutch interview with Bart de Graaff which I sadly do not have, Kermit (and Gonzo!) demonstrated how to catch flies with your tongue, and in a BBC interview that I do have, Kermit gives the following answer when asked how long his tongue is: "It looks small, but when I catch flies it sortta zips out and gets really long. But I won't do that here since some people may find it rude on TV."

So, that's one less reason to hate KSY.

If you'll excuse me, I gotta practice my fly catching. *slurp!* Darn. Missed.

Jackie

08-26-2002, 02:58 PM

This is why I admire Joggy. He gives reasons and facts! I still hate the fact that Kermit uses his tongue, I probably won't like it in the Muppets at Walt Disney World either :)

Joggy

08-26-2002, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Jackie
This is why I admire Joggy. He gives reasons and facts!

Uhm... roughly translated, I'm one of those scary, highly obsessed freaks who don't even need to check their video collections to have a fact ready. :D

I still hate the fact that Kermit uses his tongue, I probably won't like it in the Muppets at Walt Disney World either :)

Jackie, think of it this way. If Kermit didn't get his tongue fixed, he would have starved even before he would have left the swamp...

Zack the Dog

08-28-2002, 01:19 AM

well Jackie here's one more reason to HATE KSY, No, i'm just kidding but here is food for thought.

In the beging of the Muppets go to Walt Disney World kermit is bringing the muppet gang to an anual frog festible and bug fry and there are many other frogs there...Where are Goggle's Croker and bloch? (not even made of felt yet or even in the thoughts of the human minds) but really, i think of it as a family picnic with distent family members cosins "harry,larry,mary,terry,berry, and emmy lou"

this is why kermits mom,dad brother's and sister's and freind's aren't there, plus it's a BIG swamp and there are MANY frogs...

Kermit just opens his mouth to catch the mosquitoes, he can open his mouth can't he? no reason to hate the Muppets at Walt Disney World, besides it's what's he does in TMM! " oh, Darn i missed" besides Dom suggest's that Kermit could get his tough fixed anyways.

and look how the other frogs catch flies, the same way in the muppets at Walt Disney world and in in KSY during the "life as a pet song" in the pet shop the line is,

*Rabbit*"no more getting squooshed on a bumpy road! all the flies you can eat! *Goggles* but what's in it for a toad???"

you can see behind the rabbit and goggles in the tank the other frog's are catching flies the same way, without tougnes, and beside we have to remember that these are muppet puppets not cartoon characters, it's the only way!;-) you don't even see the tougne come out of kermit's mouth in KSY, it's off sreen, so that's kinda cheesy, i mean we DON'T see it come out of kermits mouth at all, it's a rip off!

There are MANY facts to consider here, look at one of the TMS ep's Juliet Prowse...Kermit say's that the first thing to go in a frog are his LEGS! when in TMM he says tougne!

at first i was kinda ticted at the tougne in KSY, but now i have a little more ease with it.

Zack) Rowlf the, do you need your tougne to go bobbing for stink bugs?Dog.

wolfy

08-28-2002, 08:47 AM

Oh, I don't know...seems to me that tongue from Kermit would be kinda sexy, don't you think? :p

Okay, okay! Children around, don't get crazy!

While KSY wasn't the best thing since TMM, I will give them some good credit for trying, but I DO agree that the human actors (aside from the children of all things; the adults were B-A-D!) were just horrid!

And that Mr. Wilson...WHERE have I seen him before?

I mean, okay, he reminds me of the crazy helicopter man from Mel Gibson's "Max Mad" movie, but it's not him, right? Just someone that LOOKS like him...

Personally, I feel that the humans should have been (excuse the pun) fleshed out a bit more...

Perhaps if Kermit gave them some tongue lessons? Thirty lashes with a froggy tongue? Whhhhackkkooo!

"What do you do with a froggie tongue? Just WHIP IT (ka-whoo!), yeah, WHIP IT!"

--wolfy--

slinking off before Phillip shoots her with a sticky tongue...

Drtooth

08-28-2002, 03:32 PM

So, like, what? I should rent it first? I don't have cable, and with some critical reviews here, I think I should take a look at it before I think of buying. I saw some clips in a preview in a Target store, and I don't know quite what to make of it....Nyeah-hey!!!

Sunshineboz

08-28-2002, 05:33 PM

Definitely rent before buying!

beaker

09-05-2002, 06:54 PM

>>>So, like, what? I should rent it first? I don't have cable, and with some critical reviews here, I think I should take a look at it before I think of buying. I saw some clips in a preview in a Target store, and I don't know quite what to make of it....Nyeah-hey!!!

I'd say rent it first. But Shhh! Dont say anything bad about it before ya see it or after, otherwise youll get stomped and flamed by a couple of individuals. It seems expressing any dissent or distaste for something JHC is a big no no on here to some.

Warrick

09-05-2002, 07:00 PM

Its not at all, Theres really just one kinda 'rule' about it.

You gotta see it before you criticize it!

See ya

towels

09-05-2002, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by *Warrick*
Its not at all, Theres really just one kinda 'rule' about it.

You gotta see it before you criticize it!

See ya

I'd also think constructive criticism is more likely to be respected than jumping forum to forum wailing about how bad it is.

tomahawk

09-06-2002, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by towels
I'd also think constructive criticism is more likely to be respected than jumping forum to forum wailing about how bad it is. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAA!!!!!!

beaker

09-06-2002, 01:22 PM

Well, like many of you I had initial preconceptions of KSY(ya cant tell me ya didnt;) But go to Headlines, as I set the record straight on KSY dvd!

you all can flame me, Im only one of th elongest standing MC members here. But just be forewarned...I have one of the truthful and delightful KSY dvd reviews out there!

EmmyMik

09-06-2002, 05:14 PM

Well, I just got done watching KSY, and basically, I don’t like it. Now it’s been awhile since I’ve been the age of the target audience, but I found it very boring. In the beginning, I loved the interaction between Goggles and Croaker, and I was rather optimistic that this might not be so bad. But then it not only goes downhill, but it flies right off a cliff. It seems like time has stopped, and they’re doing the same thing over and over again. “I give up.” “No, I believe in you.” “Wow! I can do it!” “That’s great, but now I give up.” “No, can’t you see? I believe in you.” Super. I believe in you guys too. Let’s move on shall we? Or do I have to give up first? I can’t remember how this goes (this brings me to another rant that I have. There seems to be some unwritten law that children’s movies and shows have to have no less than 4 “believe in yourself” moments. I’m waiting for “Kermit’s Swamp Years II” where Kermit decides that he’d rather be a lizard and starts hanging out with the wrong crowd. Goggles and Croaker hate Kermit. Kermit gets into trouble and realizes that his friends were right and different people suck, and he should stick with his friends FOREVER and never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever try to make new friends).

Then there were the human actors. I’m not even going to go there.

As for the rest of my review type thing, I have just a few nit-picky things, but I don’t care. I wanna complain (you’d be grumpy too if you felt like you just wasted an hour of your life).

--What time period did this take place? Kermit was supposed to be what, 12? So that makes Kermit now what, 12.5 or 13?

--You guys have great eyes. The only “fan goodies” that I could find was the Henson mailbox (it doesn’t take a genius to find that one) and the sign in the pet shop that says, “Nelson” or something like that. I know there are more. I just don’t want to look THAT hard.

Actually, I had a few more, but I can’t remember them. I just can’t do it! I was not meant for writing reviews! I give up!

beaker

09-06-2002, 05:28 PM

>>>The only “fan goodies” that I could find was the Henson mailbox (it doesn’t take a genius to find that one) and the sign in the pet shop that says, “Nelson” or something like that. I know there are more. I just don’t want to look THAT hard.<<<

Hey, I like that word, 'fan goodies'! heh Yeah the fan goodies were mostly small background stuff...Jerry Nelson, Dave Goelz, and Jerry Juhl were referenced, along with Sam and Friends. IT could just be me but I picked up a ton of obscure references and nods. Nobody mentioned it but the two penguins are in it as well!
(along with retro Statler and Waldorf, Foo Foo, and Tales from the Bunny Picnic Muppets)

The human actors...yeahhh. But oh well. I loved the Muppet segments, the human actors take away from it a little.

But man, what did you think about the behind the scenes and blooper reels? Those to me(along with that GREAT pet store video) are reason enough to get this!

EmmyMik

09-06-2002, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by beaker
But man, what did you think about the behind the scenes and blooper reels? Those to me(along with that GREAT pet store video) are reason enough to get this!

Unfortunately, I haven't located a DVD yet. What I have is recorded from Starz.

I still want to rent the DVD. Not for the movie, but for all of the the little extra things (because Jackie says that they're great, and Jackie's just right about these things)...

beaker

09-06-2002, 05:52 PM

>>>I still want to rent the DVD. Not for the movie, but for all of the the little extra things (because Jackie says that they're great, and Jackie's just right about these things<<<

Regardless of what people think of the movie itself(I was surprised it felt more movieish than some special) I would have to agree with Jackie...the dvd extras are definately big must sees. Joe The Armadillo and Bill Baretta, nuff said;)

Jackie

09-07-2002, 10:06 AM

Coryjo!

I too enjoyed Joe the Armidillo. ;) And Bill Barretta was sooo funny! LOL!! that was like the most airtime he ever got in the extra footage of any Muppet DVD! Whoohoo! LOL!

I'm so glad Emmy agrees with me! I thought I was a bad person for hating a muppet movie.

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-07-2002, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by EmmyMik
I just can’t do it! I was not meant for writing reviews! I give up!

I actually enjoyed your rather non-professional-yet-entertainingly-miffed review.

:)

EmmyMik

09-07-2002, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
I actually enjoyed your rather non-professional-yet-entertainingly-miffed review.

:)

Does this mean you believe in me?

Wow! I can do it!

Thanks for believing in me Byron!

:D

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-07-2002, 05:37 PM

ROFL!!

OOOOOOOoooooooooooo...

This has been your daily dose of Sarcastic Emmy!

:)

EmmyMik

09-07-2002, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
ROFL!!

OOOOOOOoooooooooooo...

This has been your daily dose of Sarcastic Emmy!

:)

If the Muppets continue to make more specials like KSY, then I'll start becoming sarcastic as all get out...

:D

beaker

09-09-2002, 03:00 PM

Hey Joe! I mean Jackie Joe!

>>>I too enjoyed Joe the Armidillo. And Bill Barretta was sooo funny! LOL!! that was like the most airtime he ever got in the extra footage of any Muppet DVD! Whoohoo! LOL!
<<<

Oh no kidding, again yesterday I watched the extras and the life as a pet video again. I seriously cant get enough Joe the Armadillo...and that scene with Joe the Armadillo and Bill Baretta arguing over the trailer was too much! He really is like how he is in person...except I dont remember him arguing with a Muppet over a dressing room;)

I'm so glad Emmy agrees with me! I thought I was a bad person for hating a muppet movie.<<<

Well I realize the only parts I disliked greatly were the school parts and some of the human parts...the bilogoy lab scene I just foudn way too disturbing for a Muppet film. But man, those dvd extras!!!!! And the Pet video! too much

productoffunk

09-09-2002, 06:17 PM

i just wathched the swampyears and i realy enjoyed it.
ofcoure its aimed at kids what do you expect ?
its kermit aged 12 on an adverture.
its aoot friendship and the journy he takes
whats hard to understand
i see it for wath it is , like mopatop shop, good fun with a simple message.
you dont have to look deeper than that , do you/
i watched the dvd and the extras were entertaining
all in all i tought itwas good for what it was.:p

Sir Didymus

09-09-2002, 07:29 PM

I haven't seen it yet, but i want too. Is Jim Henson in it??? I read on IMDB that Young Jim Henson is in it! It that true???

Didymus

Zack the Dog

09-09-2002, 09:38 PM

yes that's sad Jerry hasn't been doing well for a while now, he wasn't too well last year and had all that weight.

Kermit probaly was on, it was really hard to find him on last year but magicaly i did. he sang it's not easy being green along with another song playing the giutair.

EmmyMik

09-09-2002, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Sir Didymus
I haven't seen it yet, but i want too. Is Jim Henson in it??? I read on IMDB that Young Jim Henson is in it! It that true???

Didymus

I don't want to spoil it too much (not that there's much to spoil), but there is a scene where a young Jim Henson (sure that's what the credits tell us, but I have my own theories about that! :D ) briefly meets the young Kermit.

Sir Didymus

09-10-2002, 12:24 PM

Thanks Emmy! I call Wal Mart and Fred Meyer everyday to see if they have it, and they always say "No". Wal Mart said they'll be getting it soon though....... :)

Didymus

EmmyMik

09-10-2002, 12:36 PM

If there's a Target store in your area, you could always try there.

matleo

09-10-2002, 05:09 PM

OK gang, time for me to wiegh in I guess, I just rented KSY from our local Blockbuster and well...I kinda...wel, it was just..it wasn't bad but.......I mean it was really great when....Well, I didn't loathe it as I expected too. I actually like the first half of it. IN fact for a quite a whiw I held it in the same regard as Frog Prince, Emmet otter, X-mas Toy, and Bunny Picnic. The ehy got to the high school and i just kind of fell apart. I thought the guy playing the mad scientist was rgeat (anybody else here get the reference to the character Mel Brooks plays in TMM, Krassman?) but his assistant was horrible. Who told her she was an actress? I like blotch, Croaker, and Goggles. Felt indifferent to Horace and Pilgrim. I think if Horace had played more of a role in the film, he might have grown on me. Pilgrim I thouht was just the rehash f the character from the BTS of JHH who is also not that great of a character. I felt a few of the 'muppet referances" a little over done. I liked the license plate (anybody notice that it's only there in that first scene though) and the background muppet-associate names (Goelz, Nelson, Lazer) I liked Statler and Waldorf. But I thought the Piggy, Rowlf and Animal references were too blatant. The Henson thing was okay when you kinda had to look for the name on the mailbox and then...ugh they destroyed it by givign it i's own close-up (we paid for da mailbox, we're goonna use da mailbox!!) and broke the world of the film completly. I liked the look and feel of the film most of the way. I liked the parts that were Kermit's Swamp Years. When it became Kermit's day in the high school it just got goofy. That whole chase scene was like soemthing out of Scooby-doo when they'd be chased by a monster through a barn with some dorky song dubbed over it for no real reason but to kill 5 minutes. And that whole thing at the end about how a frog once talked to the villain and that's why he's evil..what the heck was that? Then the villiain and kids learn that ALL frogs can talk but no one seems to care. "Oh wow, all the frogs talk!!!! That so cool!! That' so awesome... OK, time for Algebra class."
But no really I liked the first half of it. I thought it really DID feel like a precursor to TMM. There were sertain little things that reminded me of the TMM. For a while I even wondered why MFS wasn't this good? I actually thought about going out and purchasing it, but somewhere along the line...it just let me down. I'm wondering if I cold buy perhaps just the first half of the film somehow.
Oh one other thing, does anyone know how to make a children's film anymore without resorting to potty humor? I didn't mind some of it at firstm but again smewhere lon the line it just became too much. I think that was the main problem, like Emmy said, it was all too much after a while. I didn't mind some of the "Hey, i believe in you" moments, but there were just two or three too many. I think they could have done without the Kermit believes in Croaker moment and the "moment" just before the balloons. It was good but every moment, every gag, every nuance was just one too many. I think this film woul have done much better if someone had come in and just streamlined it a little bit. Personally I would have thought JHC had gotten morbidly good at streamlining by this time. it seems of late that there is a really big problem in the Muppet wirting where EVERY half thought out idea that comes in is considered a good one and gets used and there's never a moment when they stuff gets yanked out. Consequently, you get all these ideas that don't mesh after a while. that was the exact problem I had with MFS. And the parts of MTI I don't like are the same thing (Mr. Bimbo and Polly Lobster for example)
Anyway, that's my two cents. I know this review sounds like I hated it, but the truth is I didn't. I really REALLY did like a lot of it. I liked the design and the writing and puppetry, and the characters, for quite a while. I just wish I could have liked it right up to the end and I didn't. the ending just left me empty. it was like why did they only give 85% on this? I guess what I'm felling and what I've been feeling form abou the time Kermit tells Croaker he's the best hopper around is disappointment. Before that I was really into it though, believe me. Anyway, that's abotu all I have to say about that.

--Matt

Joggy

09-13-2002, 10:46 AM

So I received the UK release of the Swamp Years VHS in the mail today and I just finished watching it. Here's my short review, ahem. *takes out paper*

I found this the most boring, disgusting, quickly made, cheap production ever made and it doesn't even deserve to have the Muppet brand... uhm... hey. Wait a minute...

oops. Heh heh heh. Sorry. I seem to be reading the wrong review... this is the Billy Bunny singalong one. My bad. Heh heh.

So Swamp Years... well let's be honest among Muppet friends.

I LOVED IT!!!

Yes folks, the Jog really loved it!!! Anyway, here's what I liked and didn't like. With spoilers.

MUPPET CHARACTERS
Kermit, young but wise, good ol' him, except for the weird lisp sometimes. And grown up Kermit... he's great. Although I thought he was a little too fast in the beginning. It's like "ZOOM! I'm quickly gonna talk you into this movie!"

No words necessary on his buddies Goggles and Croaker, they're the best! Pilgrim must have been my favorite character though. I'm not a pet kinda guy but I'd love to have her for a dog, she's so adorable! Blotch... Okay, the first flaw I'm gonna mention here is that the friendship between Blotch and Goggles came waaaay too soon in the film. It would have been more fun to have them be enemies for a long time and Blotch learning to be a friend at the end, and not somewhere in the middle of the film.
Horace D' Fly is waaaay cool too. I actually liked his song.
Finally a cameo character: Jack Rabbit. Waytago STEVE! I LOVE YA BUDDY!

Overall, the Muppet characters was what I thought was the biggest flaw in the movie. There weren't enough! The movie was just flashing between Kermit, Croaker and Pilgrim, and Blotch and Croakers. You can do that in a Fraggle Rock episode but I'm not sure if it would work in a movie... at least it didn't work in this one. But, even though it's my biggest complaint I'm not gonna be negative about it because the characters that were there were fun.

THE ACTORS
Hello? Are you sure you're not supposed to play in an episode of Barney? And Krassman... why aren't you German, like your colleague from the Muppet Movie? Don't you two share the same name? Actually the lousy acting did work for Krassman. He fits perfectly in the scala of "bad acting Muppet Movie crooks".
Finally, young Jim Henson. He even looked a little like the older Jim! I agree with the people who say that the shot of the mailbox is a little too much, but I can also imagine some people don't see the connection at once. Without that shot, the whole scene would have been useless.

THE MUSIC
Harmonica! Love Harmonica! The few songs that were sung by Muppet characters were... well, fine. Zip Dippy by Horace is cool, the Pet song is fabulous, the last song... makes no sense really, but I don't see any other way to make the movie end well. Rainbow Connection punk version... I'll say, put it over there with that lousy Going To Go Back There Someday remake.

THE SCRIPT, PLOT, HUMOR ETC
What I often read in reviews is "I laughed like five times". I'm not sure my laughing calculations are right, but compared to the Christmas Toy, Tale of the Bunny Picknick and Emmett Otter, this one was highly amusing. Those specials are all wonderful, but the humour is nowhere to be found. It's the emotions that make these specials great, and in my opinion this movie has plenty of it.
I liked the classic friendshippy moments... except Kermit's "I believe in you". That was a little too much. The star... hmmm. Don't know what to think of that. It was corny, but then again... isn't "believing in a dream about singing and dancing and making people happy" corny too?

Poopoo humour... didn't really mind that. Thanks to the liberty of Dutch Sesame Street playalong cassettes I'm used to my favorite characters saying stuff like "Hey Ernie! Watch out! You stepped in doggy poo!"
I laughed at the rabbits, although I would have liked to have the movie end with SIXTEEN of them.

Bloopers - no words necessary. A big ol' JOFLMFDAO on those!

-------

Overall, that's my opinion. I'm not saying I compare this to the Trilogy or TMS. I compare this to Emmett Otter, Bunny Picknick, Christmas Toy. And compared to that, this one is a jewel.

Thank you.

*looks down and notices his pants are gone*

Okay, who took those?! Huh?!

Jackie

09-13-2002, 02:21 PM

And you call yourself "Vice-Jackie" ! HMPH!!!

LOL!

Joggy

09-13-2002, 05:16 PM

Jackie... the fact that I love KSY and that I'm not interested in wrestling and that I don't REALLY love Joe doesn't matter... *points to tyre tracks on belly* Deep inside I'm really meant to be a Vice-You. Honestly.

Well, that, and it pays well. :D

BBB!!! BBB!!! BBB!!!

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-13-2002, 05:58 PM

I cannot believe that you, the Vice-Jackie, and Jackie, the Jackie, disagree so strongly on this...

EMMY and I would never disagree so oppositely on somethin' Muppety...

:D

EmmyMik

09-13-2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Jackie
And you call yourself "Vice-Jackie" ! HMPH!!!

LOL!

LOL!

Now be nice. At least he didn't call KSY "Inclore".

If he did, I'd have to make up a new word...

EmmyMik

09-13-2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
EMMY and I would never disagree so oppositely on somethin' Muppety...

:D

LOL! You're right! You'd boycott me, and that would cause the destruction of the world!

I'm just playin' it safe!

:D

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-13-2002, 07:51 PM

But Emmy, you and I think like this:

*does nifty visual which you cannot see*

So we could never disagree on it, anyway!

Hey, can't ya just see Jackie and Joggy livin' in Fraggle Rock, all excited about wantin' to get a cave together, then Joggy rents KSY and it's UTTER DISASTER!! :eek:

Jackie would SOOOOO thwack him outta her hammock!

Really!

She would!

LOL!!

:D

EmmyMik

09-13-2002, 07:55 PM

LOL!

I can picture it all (and it looks very much like an episode of Fraggle Rock. I wonder why :D )...

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-13-2002, 08:03 PM

Joggy

09-14-2002, 02:30 AM

*imagines Joggy and Jackie singing "Who Knows What You See In A Pal Like Me", a slightly rewritten version of the song Boober and Sidebottom sing*

LOL! Well guys, as much as I like it, I don't think of the movie as Inclore. Not even Spoovy. So that says a lot don'tcha think?

Joggy

09-14-2002, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
Jackie would SOOOOO thwack him outta her hammock!

Uhm, Byron... ya know Jackie and I are really good friends and all, but... what am I doing in HER hammock?!

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-14-2002, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by Joggy
Uhm, Byron... ya know Jackie and I are really good friends and all, but... what am I doing in HER hammock?!

Oopsy...

HIS hammock (yours).

I forgot, you're not Joe! LOL! But, come to think of it, he'd thwack you outta her hammock if you were there! LOL!!

Joggy

09-14-2002, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
I forgot, you're not Joe! LOL! But, come to think of it, he'd thwack you outta her hammock if you were there! LOL!!

Either that or he wouldn't see the difference between THE Jackie and Vice-Jackie and accidentally thwack Jackie outta my hamm... uhm, HER hammock instead of me. Sheesh.

That would make a great Ricky Lake episode, BTW.

And this all started with an innocent little review...

EmmyMik

09-14-2002, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Joggy
LOL! Well guys, as much as I like it, I don't think of the movie as Inclore. Not even Spoovy. So that says a lot don'tcha think?

That says that you like your job as Vice-Jackie...

:D

Joggy

09-15-2002, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by EmmyMik
That says that you like your job as Vice-Jackie...

Ohhh you bet! In fact, I even dedicated a song to my job as Vice-Jackie!

*picks up guitar, strums, and sings*

When I was just a baby, Jackie used to roam
Emmy told me, Joggy boy, your work won't be at home
Go to Muppet Central, join the BBB
Steal glasses and cut people's hair, and you'll be Vice-Jackie

And you'll be

Workin' workin' workin' workin'
Workin' workin' workin' workin'

Beauregard

09-15-2002, 02:51 PM

What does Inclore mean?

It sounds like it comes for the HHGTTG (Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy) but it doesn't.

EmmyMik

09-15-2002, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Joggy
Ohhh you bet! In fact, I even dedicated a song to my job as Vice-Jackie!

*picks up guitar, strums, and sings*

When I was just a baby, Jackie used to roam
Emmy told me, Joggy boy, your work won't be at home
Go to Muppet Central, join the BBB
Steal glasses and cut people's hair, and you'll be Vice-Jackie

And you'll be

Workin' workin' workin' workin'
Workin' workin' workin' workin'

LOL! Your songs are always so good (better than my attempt at a "Joggy the Inclore Song" which was: do de do! Joggy the Inclore! Do de do! Joggy the Inclore! Do de do! Joggy the Inclore)...

:D

EmmyMik

09-15-2002, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Beauregard
What does Inclore mean?

Ah, that's the beauty of "Inclore". It doesn't have a meaning.

It sounds all powerful and stuff, but it has no meaning!

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-15-2002, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Joggy
*picks up guitar, strums, and sings*

When I was just a baby, Jackie used to roam
Emmy told me, Joggy boy, your work won't be at home
Go to Muppet Central, join the BBB
Steal glasses and cut people's hair, and you'll be Vice-Jackie

And you'll be

Workin' workin' workin' workin'
Workin' workin' workin' workin'

Ahhhhhhhhhh, give me one that's closer
Closer here to me
She lives in Dayton, Ohio---
And her name, it is Emmy!

Janice & Mokey's Man

09-15-2002, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by EmmyMik
LOL!

I can picture it all (and it looks very much like an episode of Fraggle Rock. I wonder why :D )...

(featurin' Joggy in place of Red, Jackie in place of Mokey, Byron for Gobo, Emmy for Wembley, and "Joe" for Lanford)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SCENE: INTERIOR: DAY

(Enter Angry Jackie into cave [all wet from bein' thwacked from hammock into pool], with Byron and Emmy in tow---Joggy is playin' a game)

Jackie: "You want honesty, I'll give you honesty! I haaate that stupid game you're always playing with that ball!"

Joggy: "Oh but Jackie, it's an 'American object', 'our symbol', remember?"

Jackie: *mockingly* "Ohh, ohhhh..."

Byron: "Eh, now, you two, in this Muppet fan situation you've got to have a little give and take---"

Jackie: "BYRON! Will you please stop telling us to get along, he just thwacked me out of his hammock!"

Joggy: "Well that's because you thwacked me out of it first!"

Jackie: "Well that's because I hate that stupid 'Kermit's Swamp Years' you're always watching!"

Joggy: "I don't care if you didn't like 'Kermit's Swamp Years! All I know is that I hate your WrestleMania stories!"

Jackie: "Well your muffins are soggy!"

Joggy: "Well Joe drove me crazy!

Joe: :confused:

Jackie: "What?! You didn't have to like my boyfriend! Why do I have to like that awful stroopgaffle business?!"

Joggy: "It's stroopwaffle! And you don't have to like it, IIII like it! Oh, why do I have to agree with everything you like?!"

Jackie: "You don't have to agree with me---I don't want you to be like me!"

Joggy: "Well what do you want?!"

Jackie: *grabs Joggy by his Dutch shoulders and shakes him violently* "I WANT YOU TO BE LIKE YOU, YOU IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU!"

Joggy: "But you is what I like about YOU!"

Jackie: *stops shakin' poor Jogs* "Oh...well, if me is what you like about me, then---me is what you'll get."

Joggy: "Well...same here."

Jackie: "Oh..."

Joggy: "Yeah..."

Jackie: "Oh Joggy, we do agree!"

Joggy: "Lol, yeah!"

(Jackie and Joggy hug ecstatically with squeals of fragglish glee)

Emmy: "Uh, Byron, if they're fighting, wh--why are they hugging?"

Byron: "Well ya see Emmy, eh...uh...I'll ask."

*approaches the opponents*

Byron: "So you two are alright ?"

Jackie: "Oh yeah, Byron."

Joggy: "Yeah, we're agreeing tooooo disagree! Sometimes, anyway."

(they go back to huggin' and squealin')

(Byron goes back to Emmy)

Byron: "I think they'll be okay now."

Joggy: "Hey Jackie, ya know, when you thwacked me out of that hammock it really made me mad, but...wasn't it fun?

Jackie: "It was great! Something you'd kinda like to share, huh?" *nudges Joggy's arm with elbow*

Joggy: "Hey, yeah!" *gets on voice chat* "HEY EVERYBODY! COME UP TO OUR PLACE FOR A HAMMOCK-THWACKING/CAVE-WARMING PARTY!!"

Jackie: "Okay Byron, you're first!"

*Byron gets in hammock*

Joggy: "Yeah Byron, you're gonna love this...Oh don't worry, I'll personally thwack Joe!"

END SCENE

EmmyMik

09-15-2002, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Janice & Mokey's Man
(featurin' Joggy in place of Red, Jackie in place of Mokey, Byron for Gobo, Emmy for Wembley, and "Joe" for Lanford)

Woooo-Hooooo!

I'm Wembley!

That's a good thing!

Oh no wait. Maybe that's a bad thing...

:D

Joggy

09-16-2002, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by EmmyMik
LOL! Your songs are always so good (better than my attempt at a "Joggy the Inclore Song" which was: do de do! Joggy the Inclore! Do de do! Joggy the Inclore! Do de do! Joggy the Inclore)...

:D

I LOVE THE JOGGY THE INCLORE SONG!!! :D

You might consider thinking of an Emmy the Spoovy song. Or a The Jackie song. Or a Byron The Tall Kentuckian song.

Joggy The Inclore (do de do!)

EmmyMik

09-16-2002, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Joggy
I LOVE THE JOGGY THE INCLORE SONG!!! :D

You might consider thinking of an Emmy the Spoovy song. Or a The Jackie song. Or a Byron The Tall Kentuckian song.

Joggy The Inclore (do de do!)

Nah. Those songs would just sound like the Joggy the Inclore song. Only it would be something like "Do de do! The Jackie! Do de do! The Jackie!"

Gonzo14

02-16-2003, 09:13 AM

I was just watching Kermit's Swamp Years and I noticed a couple things

1) After Kermit & Croacker Talk to the Snake at the Pet Store, the Box Behind them Says "Goelz Grub" as in Dave Goelz

2)When Kermit & Croacker are in the Pet Store Ribbiting to get the guys Attention, a Box Behind them says "Salmon Friends" sounds like Sam & Friends

Daffyfan2003

02-16-2003, 02:16 PM

Good observations. I wonder how many other movies have hidden gags. Like that. I remember the "Jim" and "Frank" cages when Rowlf worked at that kennel on TMTM. There were also a few things like that on "The Muppet Show." Someone used a magic spell that went "zleog evad onzog" (Gonzo Dave Goelz, backwards.) I haven't actually seen that one. I just read it on the Kermitage episode guide. They also had: rezal evad gib (Big Dave Lazer backwards. I think he's one of the writers or something.)

Joggy

02-17-2003, 06:42 AM

Zleog Divad Oznog! Rezal Evad Gib! Noslen Yrrej! Tnuh Drahcir!! ERIMTHIW EVETS!! :D

Cantus Rock

02-17-2003, 08:19 AM

!!!gniyonna ylemertxe stI !!sdrowkcab ffuts gnitirw potS !yggoJ

wtb: !!rezaL evaD GIIIIIIIIB

:D

-Matt

Gonzo14

02-17-2003, 09:09 AM

daer ot drah s'ti gniddik on

Cantus Rock

02-17-2003, 09:15 AM

lol (heh, at least that reads the same both ways..) :D

-Matt

beaker

02-17-2003, 05:13 PM

);!snoiton deveicnocerp ot eud serutaef dvd senecs eht dniheb sraey taerg eht hctaw tnow ohw elpoep rof yrros leef I

Daffyfan2003

02-17-2003, 05:36 PM

draob "semag dna nuf" eht to devom teg ot gniog ylbaborp si daerht siht ekil skool it

sarah_yzma

02-17-2003, 05:40 PM

etirw ot reverof sekat siht

haraS

(great my name sounds like haras backwards:rolleyes:)

beaker

02-17-2003, 06:17 PM

Why does my post look like I was speaking in Swedish Chef gibberish minus the 0's with lines through em? ;)

sarah_yzma

02-17-2003, 06:50 PM

hehe maybe it's a lot of f's the chef always uses quite a few of them!

Sarah

Daffyfan2003

02-18-2003, 05:41 AM

Maybe that's where the writers got the idea to write his dialog like that. :)

Gonzo14

02-18-2003, 01:56 PM

it's like with one click we're talking sdrawrof again

CousinLuke

02-18-2003, 09:33 PM

!!!!!!!TON M'I

Gonzo14

02-19-2003, 02:46 PM

EMOSWA

Koozbanian Foob

03-24-2003, 10:21 AM

KSY is one of the very few muppet productions I have yet to see, largely because the reviews have been almost universally bad. Did anyone enjoy it? That Joe the Armadillo seemed cool. What did you like if you did like it?

Super Scooter

03-24-2003, 10:33 AM

It was... okay.

I've said this before, if you go into it not expecting too much from it, you'd probably enjoy it okay. But, if you're expecting it to be as good as The Muppet Movie, don't see it. you'll be highly dissapointed. I went into not expecting anything, so I liked it. But, the special features of the DVD are deffenitely the best part.

Jivepuppet

03-25-2003, 11:37 PM

I liked it alot. It's that simple. It's cute, silly, and fun. As far as Muppet films go, no it isn't the best they've ever done. I don't think that was the plan. But as far as family films go, it was the best to be released last year overall.
Jon

pezbalubah

03-26-2003, 01:32 AM

Better than most of the garbage that's out there, I'd rather my little cousin be watching this than Power Rangers or those weird CG things on the Disney Channel. Better than Muppet Babies, not as good as any other Muppet produciton.

matleo

03-26-2003, 07:04 AM

the first 1/3 of it is really great!!! Funny. well-defined characters. beautiful production. Smooth, keeps moving. Very entertaining. I loved it!!!

The second 1/3 of it (following the pet) shop is a little forced but still pretty good. As has been said in other discussions on this topic "the I believe in you" moments start to become a little wearing on the nerves right about here. but it's till pretty good/ As jamie said. better than most other stuff tha's out there.

the last 1/3 of it....Oh the pain!!!! the agony!!!! What were they thinking!!?!?!?! It's completly non-sensical, forced, stupid, irritating, poorly concevied , poorly acted and overall just plain bad.

Bottom line, when it's justthe puppets you're watching it's great. and the first part of it I really DID just love!!!!!!! But once they get out of the swamp, it slowly starts to spoil so by the end it's just out of control and so the ending is a major disappointment that just left a fowl fowl taste in my mouth. It's worth a rental if nothing else.

--Matt

Fozzie Bear

03-26-2003, 11:00 AM

I liked it, but there were several parts I didn't agree with it being in the film.

The Jim Henson as a young boy scene
I think Statler and Waldorf were there...WAY outta their element
There was 2 other things (I think) that threw off the chronology of the Muppet's history.

Drtooth

03-26-2003, 01:57 PM

I still haven't seen it yet. I don't know if I'll like it or not, since I do have very odd tastes. I mean, I liked MFS, and I like weird movies (mostly with Leslie Neilson...I dunno why)

my guess, rent it. If you buy it and you don't like it, you're stuck with it. However, if you rent it and you like it, then buy it. If you rent it, and you don't like it, you have nothing to worry about. Sorry if I couldn't be much help.

And of course Fozzie would object to his two arch nemisis being in this movie. :sleep: :boo:

just kiddin.....:p

CousinLuke

03-27-2003, 09:11 AM

I think Statler and Waldorf were there...WAY outta their element

I'm pretty sure that they were saying that they were in the movie so they didn't have to be in the audience. That seems like something they would say. Also, it meens that they didn't have to be there when it "really" happened. Chronilogicly, what annoyed me was the clothes. It did not seem like the late sixties/ early seventies like it should have been.:sleep: :boo:

Muppets1985

03-27-2003, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Fozzie Bear
I liked it, but there were several parts I didn't agree with it being in the film.

The Jim Henson as a young boy scene
I think Statler and Waldorf were there...WAY outta their element
There was 2 other things (I think) that threw off the chronology of the Muppet's history.

Foz....Remember in the movie when Kermit & is froggy friends run in to a farm and Kermit see's a pig and he says somthing like..LOL... "I hope I never see one of them the rest of my life" (i have it on dvd):D ;)

Fozzie Bear

03-27-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Muppets1985
Foz....Remember in the movie when Kermit & is froggy friends run in to a farm and Kermit see's a pig and he says somthing like..LOL... "I hope I never see one of them the rest of my life" (i have it on dvd):D ;)

Now that's FUNN-EE!!! HAA!!

:o

sarah_yzma

03-27-2003, 09:17 PM

the best part is watching for references....

like the box that said Goelz Enterprise (or something like that)

a Animal key chain...

and the outtakes.....HILARIOUS!!!

You got us lost....YOU LOSER...

and my fave

my weak knees.....

oh yeah i also liked

how did i get in here?

haha

Sarah

ok so the movie isn't the best, but i liked it more than most....of course i'm a sucker for sickingly cute (unless it's elmo!)sure it wasn't the best...but i don't think it was NEAR as aweful as some people have said

Super Scooter

03-28-2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by sarah_yzma

ok so the movie isn't the best, but i liked it more than most....of course i'm a sucker for sickingly cute (unless it's elmo!)sure it wasn't the best...but i don't think it was NEAR as aweful as some people have said

I agree totally, Sarah. It's not the best thing out there, but it ain't no Disney direct-to-video cheapquel! And, it really isn't as bad as some have made it out to be on here.

sarah_yzma

03-28-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Super Scooter
I agree totally, Sarah.

now bow down to me!

Sarah

LadyHyde

03-29-2003, 12:33 PM

My favorite parts were-

Kermit comes face to face with a Young Jim Henson
Middle-Aged Statler and Waldorf
And the Outtake-
Goggles:"Waitaminnit, EVERY SCENE'S A NUDE SCENE!":concern:

But I think this was supposed to take place in the mid-60's.....

WiGgY

03-29-2003, 02:23 PM

The time discrepancy bugged me. It was set in a modern setting from what I remeber. And what was with the Wizard of Oz references through the whole thing? The parts with the puppets were great. The aprts with the humans were aweful. And I also didn't like the Rowlf reference. That made no sense. Were they saying that Rowlf was a real dog and got turned into a muppet? Made no sense.

wockawocka

03-30-2003, 01:58 PM

I didn't think it was the best, but it was funny, and it was cute, and who couldn't like a movie with the loveable muppets in it?! I thought that the outtakes were the best part, and I really enjoyed the characters, even if I didn't really like the whole plot.

Erine81981

03-30-2003, 03:09 PM

The dogs name was rowlf and so thats where the young jim henson got the name from is the dog. thats All I wanted to say and that I liked the movie and I have it on DVD. :D

Manda:-D

03-31-2003, 10:48 AM

My favorite part, like most people's, weas the outtakes. They were just so wqacky and goofy and-Muppety. Now if only the REST of the movie had been like that...
*Sigh* :sympathy:

Krazedmuppet

04-01-2003, 03:26 PM

It wasent the best thing thr JHC has put out, but it was good (But it had the voice of the dog that I cant stand, she seems to play alot of diffrent caracters now rugrats, Clifford, Barbie repunzle it sounds like a chain smoker and my little sisters of cource watch all of these and it drives me nuts!!!) but it was funny in a kid sorta way :) ;)

crazy ernie

04-01-2003, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by WiGgY
And what was with the Wizard of Oz references through the whole thing. Wizard of Oz was the first movie that Jim Henson saw

GonzoPimp

07-18-2003, 03:29 PM

I know this is old news, but I just really have to vent right now. Why and How does Kermit the Swamp Years suck so much? The SFX was terrible, the story was a snoozer, the characters nothing special, and it was aimed at kids! Thats not the way it works. I love the Muppets but I'm sick of them sucking do-nuts! Also, since I'm on this rave, am I crazy or should they have NOT made Gonzo an alien. Why do all the new muppet movies dissapoint and frustrate?

:boo: :boo: :boo:

sarah_yzma

07-18-2003, 09:42 PM

*cowers* I think it was to introduce a new generation of kids to the muppets....and I kinda liked it.....not as much as VMX!!!! but It wasn't horrible...that's a harsh word

*dodges muffins*

Beauregard

07-19-2003, 02:26 AM

Wrog, horrile is too light a word to give the film. It was detestable, unwatchable, sick, sad, stupid, the puppets looked aufull, the actors (apart from Mary), where so un hip it is a surprise their bums didn't fall off, sorry but it was not good.

jediX

07-19-2003, 03:18 AM

Meh, the punk version of Rainbow Connection at the end by Me First & The Gimme Gimmes was pretty neat (that band rocks lol).

Beauregard

07-19-2003, 05:41 AM

Yeah, but that is the only good of the whole darn thing.

Muppetsdownunder

07-19-2003, 08:03 AM

I was going to get the DVD of swamp years to complete my collection of Australian muppet dvds available in Australia which currently stands that at 3 including swamp years. I am thinking twice whether to get the DVD now, is it that bad?

the trailer I saw of it didnt look that great but I will get it anyway I think.

from,
Paul :)

Phillip Chapman

07-19-2003, 09:48 AM

Here are the reviews from last year...

http://www.muppetcentral.com/articles/reviews/tv-film/ksy.shtml

My opinion is that sometimes we can make the mistake of thinking of this as a Muppet movie (like the first film or Caper) when it really isn't a "movie" at all. It's a direct-to-video release like Muppet Classic Theater not a full-length feature film. I think we all agree it could have been better, but expecting a full-blown Muppet movie may not be the best approach since it is not really accurate.

Beauregard

07-19-2003, 12:26 PM

In my opinion it is worth getting for the sake of it, but brepare to be dissapointed.

muppet_dk

07-19-2003, 01:12 PM

Or get it beacuse it got some pretty good extras on it.

jediX

07-19-2003, 04:15 PM

Good point there; I enjoyed the extras more than the actual film, even though I got a kick out of seeing "Jim" as a child :)

Sir Didymus

07-19-2003, 05:06 PM

I thought the movie was good. No, It wasn't Excellent, but It wasn't horrible. I wished they had more origanal songs and Gonzo.

Sir Didymus

WiGgY

07-19-2003, 07:31 PM

One thing it was missing was Muppets! The Pet Shop scene was the only place we really saw a lot of muppets. The rest of the movie lacked the.

Here is a list of places child versions of classic muppets would have fit in, without even needing lines:

1. When Kermit visits the farm and sees the pig. Piggy could have been shown, in a pen that Kermit runs past, sitting in a puddle of mud looking disgusted while in a pink dress with that bow in her hair. Easily could have been done, no lines needed.

2. Rowlf could have been in the pet shop in a window.

3. Rizzo could have been a rat meant for being fed to the snake in the pet shop, but escapes.

4. Fozzie could have been seen on the side of the rode watching that truck go by or something.

those are the only 4 I have right now, but there are plenty of places to add in Muppet Cameos who don't have to add to the story, thus messing with the time line, but just be there to add more muppetness to the movie.

Beauregard

07-20-2003, 01:32 AM

Yeah, but then people would start calling it Muppet Babies!!! On top of which there would have been complaints and stupid people saying "But how come they just 'happened' to be there?"

Also you have to remember that the make up to make them young would have cost a lot!!!

But what I ask are, WHY was Pilgrim not a Muppet Puppet? I mean it is as though they are hardly any Muppet puppet animals till they learn to speak.

And what was that Rawlf thing with the shop keeper?

The only good thing was Jim as a kid and Mary.

WiGgY

07-20-2003, 01:41 AM

But what I ask are, WHY was Pilgrim not a Muppet Puppet? I mean it is as though they are hardly any Muppet puppet animals till they learn to speak.

And what was that Rawlf thing with the shop keeper?

The only good thing was Jim as a kid and Mary.

True. That dog should have been a muppet puppet, but the way they made it at the end was that all animals can talk, which is stupid. And that Rowlf thing made absolutly no sense at all. I mean, it wasn't Rowlf, so what was the point?

But about it turning into muppet babies, I don't think that would have happened. Simple short cameos would be good. And about how they just happene to be there, I don't think that would have been too much of an issue. Maybe all muppets come from that same part of the world and they just kind of spread out. :D

The Jim Henson as a kid thing is on the fence with me. Sure it was sweet and stuff, but it makes no sense too. The muppets are suppose to act as if they have no idea who the performers are. So, it's iffy. The muppet comedy side of me doesn't like it, but the muppet heartfelt side of me did.

Beauregard

07-20-2003, 03:15 PM

All your points are very true, though I loved that Jim as a kid thing. It was cool.

GonzoPimp

07-20-2003, 10:40 PM

Its true that KSY was a straight-to-Video release and budget is limited, but it doesn't cost anything to make a decent story. I kept thinking the story was going to get better...and it didn't. I mean, didn't the creators promise us a "true-muppet-lovers movie" at Muppetfest? Were they talking to the Elmo fans?
:excited: :concern:

Jennifer12

07-20-2003, 10:52 PM

I finally saw it this morning, and while I didn't laugh hysterically like I do for many Muppet productions, I thought it was really cute. It was certainly something I'd purchase for my children if I had children. While the double-entendres(sp?) that only adults get were not in heavy supply, I did find the jokes funny enough to laugh at.

Most enjoyable were the out-takes at the end. The filming of the locker scene where you can hear the puppeters (I think I recognized Steve Whitmire's voice) getting a little frustrated was worth the time it took to watch. Thanks to the Henson company for sharing the out-takes and general fooling around with us.

Jennifer

arrodwen

08-08-2003, 08:15 AM

I bought this film for my 2 year old son. He loves it. I'm more of an original muppet fan, myself. (Owning original The Muppet movie.) But my son watches that as well. Awesome, eh?

I thought the movie was cute, comical and something perfect for little children. Not sure, I'd ever pick it up for myself... but after learning all the JH references, it's kind of cool to learn.

Gerard

08-08-2003, 08:31 AM

I really liked the film, especially all the Henson references. I also think that it was more aimed at 5 or 6 year olds, and is funny for them. A great film.

Pug Lover

12-09-2005, 04:09 PM

Please let me know if this topic has been posted before.What does everyone think of Kermit's Swamp Years?I myself enjoyed the movie.I liked how they had a brief cameo from a teenaged Jim Henson.Plus another brief cameo of a younger Statler and Woldorf.And his encounter with a barnyard pig is quite ironic.Especially when he says he hopes he never sees one of those again.One thing I'm somewhat curious about.During a scene where Kermit talks to his mother.We only see the back of her and hear her talk,but never see her face.Makes me wonder if she had eyes like her son,or just the round eyes that every other frog muppet appears to have.:)

Camellia

12-09-2005, 06:31 PM

hi, I haven't seen it but Muppety friends say it isn't that great. So I didn't buy it. It was $7.99 at one store, pretty cheap, recently.

Anyone else like the show?

Camellia

Fragglemuppet

12-09-2005, 07:48 PM

I haven't seen it either, and I've heard mixed reviews. Some were bad, but there were just as many good ones. I'm now trying to find it in stores, but as of yet having no luck. Can anyone give me an unbiased summary, or point me to somewhare whare there is one posted?

Thanks,
Kate

MrsPepper

12-09-2005, 09:53 PM

An unbiased summary:

Kermit lives in a swamp with his best friends, Croaker and Goggles. There's also a big bully bullfrog, I think his name is Blotch. Anyhoo, Goggles is taken by a pet owner, and an evil scientist/teacher is looking for frogs for his evil plans (aka dissection)! So Kermit and Croaker hit the road trying to save Goggles.

A biased summary: I thought this movie was really cute, and I fell in love with Goggles. However I found that the movie doesn't always flow quite evenly. And I didn't like the female dog character. Overall, you can tell that it is geared towards a younger audience, but I think it's cute, and even if you don't like it, it's sort of your duty as a Muppet fan to at least watch it. ;)

Edit: fixed my poor grammar!!

Kimp the Shrimp

12-10-2005, 07:57 AM

I Really liked it i thought that is was kermits 4th best motion picture

Gonzo14

12-10-2005, 10:04 AM

the story was ok, but what i really liked was the muppet sybolism

-the young jim henson
-kermit running into a pig
-when kermit's in a pet store, there's can behind him that says "Salmon Friends" (Sam and Friends)
-Arnie the Alligator
-there's a lot more, but i can't remember them all

OverUnderAround

12-10-2005, 11:08 AM

I think Kermit's Swamp Years was Steve Whitmire's best performance of Kermit. However I do think he shines even more when he works characters that he originates such as that singing rabbit in the pet store scene. That was some awesome puppeteering and that's Steve at his best.

I hope in the future Steve has the freedom to do more original characters. Then he can really cut loose and express himself.

Croaker was a great little charcter too.

golden teeth

12-10-2005, 12:19 PM

It was pretty good. I would give it a B minus probably. I liked the cool Statler and Waldorf cameo, where they were young men in a theater. Good enough story, and Steve did a great Jim-like Kermit in this one. I didn't particularly like the live adult actors though.

a_Mickey_Muppet

12-10-2005, 01:05 PM

yeah... its an OKAY movie. also dont forget about the Animal Keychain! :halo:

muppetsforlife

12-12-2005, 07:26 PM

Personally I thought it was pretty good. Some people will disagree. But yes, as a muppet fan, you should at least watch it. If your trying to find it, look in the $5.00 bargain bin at Wal-Mart. Thats where I got mine. You can probably also find it on e-bay pretty cheap. Good luck.

Vic Romano

12-13-2005, 12:54 PM

From what I've seen in the forums here, the general opinion (With the exception of this thread :) ) seems that most people did not enjoy it. I liked the Jim tribute and the dog named Rowlf and especially the pet store scene. I'm not saying it was bad, it just didn't hold my interest. On the whole; it was cute. The DVD is worth getting for the behind the scenes stuff, particularly the bloopers. Steve was brilliant in this though, and I agree with everyone else; Goggles was a great character.

Krazedmuppet

12-14-2005, 01:50 AM

There were some good tributes, but all in all, I hated it. Not there best work. It just... made me mad. Too many bathroom jokes and such, just, not the best writing job. :boo: :sleep:

Kimp the Shrimp

12-14-2005, 05:14 AM

muppetmayhem

07-15-2008, 11:56 PM

It has been forever since I last watched this film. I thought it was a pretty decent movie. I just wanted to start a thread about this movie so that we could hear eachother's opinions. Personally, I thought this film had some flaws. One being that it conflicts completely with the animated TV series: The Muppet Babies. I also think that THE DOG WAS ANNOYING! I also think that Goggles was a little toooooo dramatized as far as being presented as the nervous whine-bag of the trio. I also got really annoyed by that green fly at the beginning of the movie that sings songs and then gets caught in Kermit's mouth.Other than that, I think that it is a good movie it is too bad that it fades into the background so easy. Please feel free to express your thoughts.:super:

Pardon me if there is/was a similar thread as this, I have been offline for a while and do not mean to duplicate any thread that has recently been part of the forum. :o