Give Bert some respect

[Uncle deadly]

Is there anyone who prefers Bert instead of Ernie.
Loads of people like Ernie better or even worse only like Ernie.
Like in a lot of peoples profiles they write Ernie without bert on their fave muppets list.
Poor Bert :(
I think he is way better than Ernie
anyone else.
I still love Ernie but he does more stuff on his own.
What about Bert.
???

[Kimp the Shrimp]

The East Coast has no love for BERT? :( i know where we are Man but No LOVE for BERT is that what you are saying? :p whatever

(a parady of Snoop Dogg @ the Source awards in 1996, minis the profanaty)

[GeeBee]

Is there anyone who prefers Bert instead of Ernie.
Loads of people like Ernie better or even worse only like Ernie.
Like in a lot of peoples profiles they write Ernie without bert on their fave muppets list.
Poor Bert :(
I think he is way better than Ernie
anyone else.
I still love Ernie but he does more stuff on his own.
What about Bert.
???


I've always liked Bert better than Ernie. Most of the things that Ernie did wouldn't have been funny had it not been for Bert's hilarious reactions. I liked the way Bert looked too, especially in the earlier years. Ernie is great, but Bert is my fav.

[Vic Romano]

I don't see them seperately like that, Bert and Ernie, Batman and Robin, Bread and butter... they are a team! You can't have just the one! The Journey to Ernie bothers me, Bert needs to be there dag nabbit, Ernie needs you Bert! Get in there and show the world, Bert! Go Bert! :p :(

[Pug Lover]

The two of them are inseperable.In my mind too,you can't have one without the other.They have each done their share of episodes without one another.But to me Ernie & Bert are like Statler & Woldorf,or Laurel & Hardy,or Abbott & Costello.You know what I mean.Watching Ernie & Bert as a child,I always saw Ernie as the child and Bert as the adult.Bert was kind of like the straight man in the duo.Except in"Elmo's Adventures In Grouchland"where the duo seemed to serve as the film's narrators.Bert appeared to be the hyper one,while Ernie was more at ease,and seemed to be straight man for a change.You can't really blame Bert for yelling at Ernie the way he's been known to do.Though Ernie is a nice person who means well,he could really get under one's skin at times.Inspite all that,they remain an inseperable duo and very best friends.They're an inspiration where friendship is concerned. :p :(

[GeeBee]

Watching Ernie & Bert as a child,I always saw Ernie as the child and Bert as the adult.Bert was kind of like the straight man in the duo.Except in"Elmo's Adventures In Grouchland"where the duo seemed to serve as the film's narrators.Bert appeared to be the hyper one,while Ernie was more at ease,and seemed to be straight man for a change.




That's one reason that I didn't like "Elmo's Adventures In Grouchland".

[Kimp the Shrimp]

they Play off each other well the Number #1 Duo

[erniebert1234ss]

i apologize, I will fix that now, but Bert and Ernie have been my faves since I was a child, mainly because of the special situation i was in (Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism)!

BJ

[Klonoa]

Ernie and Bert are a great team. Ernie is a lot of fun, but I like Bert a little better just because he's more interesting and different. He taught me that it's OK to be boring sometimes, if that's the way you are.

--Klonoa
I love it in one skit where he was reading a book called "Boring Stories."

[Kimp the Shrimp]

i apologize, I will fix that now, but Bert and Ernie have been my faves since I was a child, mainly because of the special situation i was in (Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism)!

BJ


With out being rude what is the connection between Autism and Ernie & Bert

[Docnzhoss]

The Bert and Ernie duo is classic. I would say that it's no fun to have one without the other, but then we wouldn't have "Doin' the Pigeon" or "Rubber Ducky". They are equally terrific characters, together and apart, though together they are pure gold.

[Uncle deadly]

I've always liked Bert better than Ernie. Most of the things that Ernie did wouldn't have been funny had it not been for Bert's hilarious reactions. I liked the way Bert looked too, especially in the earlier years. Ernie is great, but Bert is my fav.

I agree, Bert makes Ernie funny.

[FreddyTheDragon]

Meh.....I have always liked Bert better! Since he loved animals and was a serious, intellectual guy, He was always my fave.
I gotta admit I remember BERT IS EVIL sites though and my reaction was ????!

[Convincing John]

Hey, I think that Bert rocks too! In fact, I wrote up a little "Bert's Critics Corner" as a fan fic I hope you'll like:

http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=17546

Convincing John

[Kimp the Shrimp]

lets agree that BERT is good but don't diminsh Ernie to bring up Bert

[Uncle deadly]

they are both cool.
I just dont like people likeing Ernie and not Bert and vice versa. :( :p

[AndyWan Kenobi]

I always loved Ernie and Bert together when I was little, but I'd have to say that Ernie was my favorite, just because he was so silly. You need Bert, though, for Ernie's personality to make sense. As I've gotten older, I've grown really fond of Bert as well. Bert's awesome! Bert is into whatever he's into, and doesn't mind if it makes him a little dull. Plus, who doesn't like oatmeal, paper clips, bottlecaps, and pigeons?

:p :(

[GeeBee]

I don't think Ernie's in much danger of being diminished, considering that he has a disproportionate amount of toys and merchandise compared to Bert and he has whole segments on Sesame Street that don't include Bert. The fact is that Bert is very underrated.

Of course the two of them together are what really counts, but lately, I haven't seen too much of that as it's mostly Ernie by himself. Besides, no matter how well a comedy team works together, people will naturally compare them to one another at times. I'm sure similar issues have come up with Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, Burn and Allen, Martin and Lewis, etc.

As a child, Bert was always that character that I related to the most and with whom I made up the most stories. One reason may have been was that I was interested in what it was like to be a "grown-up" and Bert seemed to fit that role better than any other muppet. One of the adventures that I created with my Bert puppet was that he had a secret life as "Super Bert" (Yes, a direct copy from "Super Grover"). I also made up a story about Bert joining the army and going to the moon. I was only about 5 or 6 at the time, but Bert seemed to really fuel my imagination.

[Barry Lee]

I've always loved Bert more than Ernie.

[Dantecat]

Me Too! He's Been Always My Favorite Was I Was Little Too And He Still Is Now! :)

:(

[JaniceFerSure]

I don't see them seperately like that, Bert and Ernie, Batman and Robin, Bread and butter... they are a team! You can't have just the one! The Journey to Ernie bothers me, Bert needs to be there dag nabbit, Ernie needs you Bert! Get in there and show the world, Bert! Go Bert!
That's a good idea Vic.Why not have Bert look for Ernie in Journey to Ernie,instead of Big Bird;be a change. I like Bert,because of his love for collecting and needing his quiet time(which is a lot like myself).I miss the old Bert and Ernie skits.:smirk:

[Kimp the Shrimp]

That's a good idea Vic.Why not have Bert look for Ernie in Journey to Ernie,instead of Big Bird;be a change. I like Bert,because of his love for collecting and needing his quiet time(which is a lot like myself).I miss the old Bert and Ernie skits.:smirk:

my fav is the one where the Sheep carry Bert outside

[Vic Romano]

Ernie is more mischevious when he's with Bert, it's like his childish demenure, and I think it's a very redeeming quality. You don't have that same fun tension between Ernie and Big Bird. Imagine what would happen if Ernie tried taking off Big Bird's beak instead of Bert's nose! Oh the carnage!

[Uncle deadly]

haha!
its funny when Ernie takes Berts nose off! :( :p

[Daffyfan2003]

That's a good idea Vic.Why not have Bert look for Ernie in Journey to Ernie,instead of Big Bird;be a change. I like Bert,because of his love for collecting and needing his quiet time(which is a lot like myself).I miss the old Bert and Ernie skits.:smirk:

I agree. It kind of bugs me when JTE begins Big Bird is doing his own thing, but when he hears the announcer voice: IT'S TIME TO PLAY JOURNEY TO ERNIE!! He's like 'Oh, boy. I love that game.' Bert would be like, "Not now, Ernie. I'm busy sorting socks" or something like that. Then maybe Ernie would have to trick him into playing or something like that. But at least Bert gets a lot more air time this season than he did last season. It seems like the writers are doing what they can with our good old oatmeal eating, pigeon loving pal.

[pennyring]

haha!
its funny when Ernie takes Berts nose off! :( :p

OMG! That was one of the most frightening things as a kid... AHHHHHH PUT IT BACK!!!!! Poor Bert!

[Uncle deadly]

wer you frightened because you were afraid of bert, or you thought it would hurt Bert when his nose was off and felt sorry for him?
or what?

[pennyring]

I was never afraid of Bert. It was more like Ernie was breaking him or hurting him. Either a) that really couldn't feel too good or b) he was broken and who was going to fix him?? Nobody likes to play with broken toys. Maybe they were gonna throw him away or something. Who knows the fate of a broken nose! Poor Bert. :(

[Uncle deadly]

hee hee!
I see. :D

[Kimp the Shrimp]

i like Bert in a fight w/ Ernie He'd go Postal

[Uncle deadly]

no fighting! :grouchy:

[muppetmayhem]

I like the little dance Bert does with his pigeons.

Doin the ar ar pigeon

[Pug Lover]

I liked that one too.It was cute!One of the very few times you actually saw his feet."Doing the pigeons" :(

[Uncle deadly]

yay!

[FragglettesMom]

MY daughter, Fragglette, LOVES Bert and Ernie!!! I have noticed lately that she would rather watch B&E sketches than watch her friends the Fraggles. The best thing about Play with me Sesame is how much B&E they show. Several times a day she watches the old video The best of Ernie and Bert, in fact she wore out the first copy and I had to special order another one from the video store! I have also become a big fan of B&E, anytime we are in the van headed somewhere- we always pop one of the SS audio tapes in and we travel with B&E.

[Kimp the Shrimp]

Well Thats Good They Are The Best Of Friends Even Thouy They Are Diffrent

[Vic Romano]

It's kind of annoying that Palisades is making Ernie for series one and no Bert.

[Beakerfan]

WHAT?!? They're making Ernie and no Bert! How can they do that?!? It's like making Statler and no Waldorf!!!

[Vic Romano]

I'm sure he comes out in series 2, but still, why wait?

[Uncle deadly]

yeh, they did statler and waldorf together.
And once again an example of ernie being picked over Bert first! :p :(

[lowerstreet]

I like Ernie, but I've always identified with Bert more. :p :(

I agree people tend to like Ernie more, but perhaps he is more mischievious, while Bert is more "boring", like a parental figure.

I do like both of them, though. I agree they are best when together.

[Princeton]

Not to go too much off topic, but I think that Rod and Nicky from Avenue Q were modeled after :p and :( . Between B and E, I'd have to say Bert's my fav; partly because he's a total opposite of Ernie and also because, as was said before, he's very underappreciated. Now, between R and N, I love them both. Nicky because I think he's the sweetest Q character and Rod because I can do his voice DEAD ON! So, I guess I'm biased. Vive la Bert!

[DTF]

I liked Bert best, too. As a child I was always very mature, and seemed a little "boring" to kids who weren't very nice. I never got in trouble, and was always into a book. Oh, I still played and got really silly, the totally unscripted silliness of our play was total hilarity with all our action figures mix3ed together and the plots so goofy and complex... But, I always thought of the Ernie part of me as what I'd have if I had a little brother; aas I've said I always thought B&E were brothers.

As to the connection w/Aspergers, I don't know if the origianl poster will post b/c (and I know this from a couple online friends with it, plus I was never diagnosed but it's possible I have a teensy bit) he or she might not know how to explain it himself or5 be all that comfortable explaining it, but:
People with Asperger's exhibit some autistic traits but not all. They don't have the learning difficulties but really tend to "think outside the box" sometimes and can be very creative. (Michelangelo was one, so was an inventor named Trevithick who did some work early int he Industrial Revolution.)
Asperger's Syndrome causes people to cling to fictional worlds sometimes because they are more comfortable to them for the reason that the characgters always act the same, you know how things are going to be. It is hard for someone with Asperger's to make friends because they cannot read social cues, etc., very well., and so they are often worried they are doing something wrong b/c they don't know how to tell if they are. (Hence the poster apologized and you didn't know what he or she was apologizing for in this thread.)
Therefore, I would say the reason they are so special is one or both of the following:
1. B&E were a fictional duo that the person fixated on growing up, like they had alltheir skits memorized and stuff; and/or,
2. Ernie, like a child, can get on Bert's nerves sometimes. He can't seem to sense when Bert wants to be left alone/is busy/etc.. And yet, Ernie and Bert remain good friends despite this problem. Such a thing might have given the poster much more confidence to attempt to make friends/deal with problem situations because they saw Ernie do it successfully.

That sound about right?

[ssetta]

It just so happens that I have Asperger's too! And so do quite a few of us here on Muppet Central. And I think it may very well be partially the reason why we like Sesame Street at all. One thing I have noticed about people with Asperger's is that they have interests that are rather strange, but not harmful, like Sesame Street. I have gotten a LOT of flak for liking this show, and people have made fun of me a LOT over the years. Most people I know just see it as a "baby show" and nothing more. Both of my parents understand why I like it. However, I know quite a few people who simply cannot. In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I didn't even know there was an age limit on the show, I thought it could be for anyone to watch. I didn't know until a bunch of kids in school told me. They all said different things, like, "We don't like Sesame Street! It's a stupid show! IT'S FOR BABIES! IT'S A BABY SHOW!" And honestly, I didn't even believe them. I thought they were all pulling my leg or something. And I never saw it as a show that was just for kids, I saw it as a show for everyone. In fact, I even know some parents who would not want their older kids watching that stuff. In fact, a member of Muppet Central (I won't name names) actually stayed over my house for over a month. He's very nice, but no one in his family could ever understand why he liked it so much, and his mother always tried to do what she could to get him to stop watching it. But she could never do anything, because he always watched it anyway.

[Daffyfan2003]

It just so happens that I have Asperger's too! And so do quite a few of us here on Muppet Central. And I think it may very well be partially the reason why we like Sesame Street at all. One thing I have noticed about people with Asperger's is that they have interests that are rather strange, but not harmful, like Sesame Street. I have gotten a LOT of flak for liking this show, and people have made fun of me a LOT over the years. Most people I know just see it as a "baby show" and nothing more. Both of my parents understand why I like it. However, I know quite a few people who simply cannot. In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I didn't even know there was an age limit on the show, I thought it could be for anyone to watch. I didn't know until a bunch of kids in school told me. They all said different things, like, "We don't like Sesame Street! It's a stupid show! IT'S FOR BABIES! IT'S A BABY SHOW!" And honestly, I didn't even believe them. I thought they were all pulling my leg or something. And I never saw it as a show that was just for kids, I saw it as a show for everyone. In fact, I even know some parents who would not want their older kids watching that stuff. In fact, a member of Muppet Central (I won't name names) actually stayed over my house for over a month. He's very nice, but no one in his family could ever understand why he liked it so much, and his mother always tried to do what she could to get him to stop watching it. But she could never do anything, because he always watched it anyway.

That's interesting. I have Asperger's too, but I had no idea it was so common on these forums.

[Pug Lover]

It just so happens that I have Asperger's too! And so do quite a few of us here on Muppet Central. And I think it may very well be partially the reason why we like Sesame Street at all. One thing I have noticed about people with Asperger's is that they have interests that are rather strange, but not harmful, like Sesame Street. I have gotten a LOT of flak for liking this show, and people have made fun of me a LOT over the years. Most people I know just see it as a "baby show" and nothing more. Both of my parents understand why I like it. However, I know quite a few people who simply cannot. In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I didn't even know there was an age limit on the show, I thought it could be for anyone to watch. I didn't know until a bunch of kids in school told me. They all said different things, like, "We don't like Sesame Street! It's a stupid show! IT'S FOR BABIES! IT'S A BABY SHOW!" And honestly, I didn't even believe them. I thought they were all pulling my leg or something. And I never saw it as a show that was just for kids, I saw it as a show for everyone. In fact, I even know some parents who would not want their older kids watching that stuff. In fact, a member of Muppet Central (I won't name names) actually stayed over my house for over a month. He's very nice, but no one in his family could ever understand why he liked it so much, and his mother always tried to do what she could to get him to stop watching it. But she could never do anything, because he always watched it anyway.
Anyone who believes Sesame Street to be a show for babies is narrow minded if you ask me.I am 34 years old,and I currently own The Best Of Ernie & Bert and Cookie Monster's Best Bites on VHS,and Sesame Street Rock & Roll on DVD.You don't have to be a preschooler to enjoy this stuff.After all,this is a free country. :p :( :)

[DTF]

I said the same thing about VeggieTales during a devotional for kids in the one ministry I work in. They laughed when I said I love VeggieTales, but as I explained, you can get lots of enjoyment out of the humorous songs & the way in which they dom the morallesson/Bible story. A giant pickle representing Goliath. King Nebby K. Nezer and his choclate factory, and the huge chocolate statue of himself.

I think the Henson brilliance has left SS but it still remains at Big Idea.

[muppet maniac]

I don't see them seperately like that, Bert and Ernie, Batman and Robin, Bread and butter... they are a team! You can't have just the one! The Journey to Ernie bothers me, Bert needs to be there dag nabbit, Ernie needs you Bert! Get in there and show the world, Bert! Go Bert!

There will be a tv special focusing on the duo travelling around the world. Expect it to air later this year.

Sesame Workshop is producing the special with National Geographic.

[Daffyfan2003]

Are you referring too 'Shalom Sesame?' Quite a few of them have been released on video.

[AndyWan Kenobi]

There will be a tv special focusing on the duo travelling around the world. Expect it to air later this year.

Sesame Workshop is producing the special with National Geographic.

Really? Neat--where did you hear about this?

:p :(

[Kimp the Shrimp]

i'd love to see that

[dwayne1115]

Yea ok Bert is an ok guy. I just think Steve and Eric need to devlope a closer relationship. so The Ernie and Bert Relationship and Grow as well.

[muppet maniac]

Really? Neat--where did you hear about this?

Right here:

http://www.sesameworkshop.org/aboutus/inside_press.php?contentId=12423059

[AndyWan Kenobi]

Thanks! That sounds great!

[MeepEeep]

I think, that Bert does have some quailties of Aspberger's Syndrome. However, I think one of the main symptoms of this would be that he seems to have OCD. You know all the collecting, the organizing of the collections, freaking out if the collections get messed up. It's classic Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

I think in that respect, Bert should be respected for providing a realistic view of people who have some sort of personality disorders. Or at least showing someone, who has OCD in a realistic light. There really aren't many kids shows out there, that deal with kids who have emotional disabilities.

It seems that Jim Henson was very intelligent, in having characters on the show, who despite having what most people now would consider psychological disorders, are able to function well.

[MeepEeep]

It just so happens that I have Asperger's too! And so do quite a few of us here on Muppet Central. And I think it may very well be partially the reason why we like Sesame Street at all. One thing I have noticed about people with Asperger's is that they have interests that are rather strange, but not harmful, like Sesame Street. I have gotten a LOT of flak for liking this show, and people have made fun of me a LOT over the years. Most people I know just see it as a "baby show" and nothing more. Both of my parents understand why I like it. However, I know quite a few people who simply cannot. In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I didn't even know there was an age limit on the show, I thought it could be for anyone to watch. I didn't know until a bunch of kids in school told me. They all said different things, like, "We don't like Sesame Street! It's a stupid show! IT'S FOR BABIES! IT'S A BABY SHOW!" And honestly, I didn't even believe them. I thought they were all pulling my leg or something. And I never saw it as a show that was just for kids, I saw it as a show for everyone. In fact, I even know some parents who would not want their older kids watching that stuff. In fact, a member of Muppet Central (I won't name names) actually stayed over my house for over a month. He's very nice, but no one in his family could ever understand why he liked it so much, and his mother always tried to do what she could to get him to stop watching it. But she could never do anything, because he always watched it anyway.

I totally relate to you ssetta. Most of what I watch on TV is cartoons. I like Law & Order, and the horror films. Which one of the things most people think is weird about me. I like cartoons AND horror films. It's kind of disturbing, don't you think? LoL

I think people who say shows like Sesame Street are for babies, are people who are too insecure to like the things they liked as a child, regardless of age. I tell people who say things, like that to me about kid shows I watch, adults are the ones who develop these shows.

In alot if not all cartoons, you will see hidden adult humor meant for the adult's watching the show with their kids. Or also just in there because of the cartoonist's personal experience with childhood. Alot of what I see is references to bullies stealing people's lunch money, there are shows like Hey Arnold! which really shows what it's like growing up in the city. If anything, cartoons are the only shows on TV anymore with decent moral values.

They show people treating each other humanely. Sometimes I think that alone, is on it's way out. You hear so much negativity all the time. If you're female, you're fat, not pretty. If your a guy, well I don't have a brother or any guy friends right now, but I do know if your a guy you tend to get beaten up alot in school, unless you're one of the guys doing the beating up.

This stuff doesn't matter in cartoons at all. If it is mentioned in cartoons, there is a uplifiting moral to the story, where the bully learns the person they've victimized have feelings too, and they make up at the end.

I would love to work in the cartooning industry, but there are two things I have against me:

1. Location: I'm in Chicago. Most cartoons are made like in New York, Florida. I guess there probaly is a studio in Chicago. However on to number 2, which will probaly clarify number 1 a bit more..

2. I was born with a handwriting disability: I can draw, but not very good. I never was able to get detail right in my pictures. I can play video games very well though, which is kind of odd. You'd think if someone has a motor skills problem in regards to writing, that the motor skills also would carry over to problems in video games.

I do hear however, that alot of people with Aspberger's Syndrome, are good at video games. Video games provide a logical, puzzle like, challenge. I think while Aspberger's people are very smart, we don't really get the social stuff. This is what I was told all through school, "She doesn't get social cues", I don't really think they're right though. With Video Games it's something that deals with straight logic, unlike being social which really is very illogical.

Like, wondering why when you're nice to someone they aren't nice back. Or, wondering how and why people desire to be mean to others. Perhaps this is where people see Aspberger's Syndrome people as being more childlike.

I recently heard, that there are studies that belive that John Lennon had Aspberger's Syndrome. You can really see it in his simplicity towards life, and love. All You Need is Love. It seems like a very romantic but unrealistic look at life.

Alot of my time is understanding why can't I have friends, or do I need to be mean like the other people to get friends. Why isn't just being nice and caring good enough anymore. I'm wondering if those of you who also have Aspberger's Syndrome here, feel that way.

Also, on mentioning John Lennon. I would highly reccomend you see the reissue of Yellow Submarine on DVD. I own it, and it's my favorite film. It's just so cute, and whimsical. I also think I like it, because I'm female and American. So I think guys who speak with a British accent are really cute. Like there's a part where the band goes back in time in the submarine, and Ringo turns back into a kid and he's like " :cry: I want me mum!" That's just so adorable. LoL

Also I like the Blue Meanies. The lead blue meanie is ROFLOL. He's just nuts. Like he goes "Bring me my bluuueeebirrrds *tongue hanging out of mouth* grrraarrrrhahahaha" He's like psychotic, but the funny kind of psychotic. Like Looney Tunes.

[Boober_Gorg]

Consider Boober Fraggle: he also has many traits that can be associated with AS:

-Boober is a whiz at things that no other Fraggle seems to be quite as good at (laundry, cooking, "anting").

-Boober takes things more seriously than the others, and complains when they don't see how he feels and when he doesn't get his way (I Don't Care - this may be the best possible piece of evidence).

-Boober is sometimes oblivious to what he does to others (Scared Silly).

-Boober often doesn't like to admit that he's part of the crowd even though it feels nice to be such (Marooned). His resent towards his fun-loving alter ego, Sidebottom, further reveals this evidence.

-Whenever there's a disaster, Boober's initial reaction is to panic and cower, but no matter how high the stakes, he knows he must help his friends out (Pebble Pox Blues, The River Of Life).

-Finally, he has his occasional "goofy" moments (The Incredible Shrinking Mokey).

PS. Check out my website (link below) to see what I collect ...

[muppet maniac]

http://www.k-tropicana.com/sesame/index.html

...that's the first time I've seen Bert without Ernie

[DTF]

MeepEeep (hope I got the right number of E's :-), you are so right. I know, it's hard. You're right, you don't have to live like the world. I don't know where I'd be without Christian friends and my faith - might not be here at all.

Lots of my friends started drifting away around high school/college back int he early 1990s, especially - some stayed, to be sure, but even int he late '80s, I should have been able to tell there was a difference, they were enjoying the funny, wholesome stuff they used to. I had always tried to do what's right just for the sake of it being right, but when friendships started to topple, that's when I went from h ead knowledge to heart knowledge of the Lord.

But, enough preaching, there is a terrible tendency ont he part of the whole world to dismiss wholesome, quality stuff, but there will always be people like me and you who like things without all that meanness int hem. There is no such thing as "adult" language/entertainment/etc., that "adult" word is just a cop-out for people wanting to be mean and calling it their right, when in fact they don't have a right to destroy or downgrade you, you are the one with the right to stand up for what's right.

Hope I've been able to be something of an encouragement with those words.