Tough Pigs?

[kansasteen14]

I went to Tough Pigs because I was curious and can EASILY say I will NEVER go there again.I mean the guy in charge is a ******* and they think they are all high and mighty.how many are actually members of that board?

[Phillip Chapman]

Hi kansasteen14,

While it's fine to share any opinions on a Web site or Henson happening (whether positive or negative), please try to refrain from expressing personal attacks towards any one individual.

[Wozza Fraggle]

Alot of us here are Members of that Board !

[Jackie]

I am a member of Tough Pigs and boy do i love it! It's just straight out Muppet talk with a lot of fun in between! Danny may get a little grumpy here and there but he's a good guy. I wouldn't give up on Tough Pigs just yet...It has so much to offer die hard Muppet Fans!

:)

[Luke]

Personally i think the original poster is well out of order. The point being that he hasn't really given any solid reasons as to why he feels that way about the site other than the people there (which is actually a large percentage of us from here). It kinda gets me when people pick websites apart yet they don't provide one of their own in return for people to also critique. Like Muppet Central - Toughpigs is put there free for you, you don't HAVE to view it if you don't want to, and the webmaster and visitors put a lot of time into making it happen. Saying that, it has obviously affected Kans enough to make the effort to come back here and post about it, maybe he has read other stuff here about Toughpigs and gone there with a bad attitude in the first place !

[FellowWLover]

Agreed on all points (besides the first post obviously). Further more, I can't think of one good reason for starting this thread other than to stir up trouble. It is obvious from many posts here that a lot of us are TP members. Why would someone decide to pick a fight by posting insults wrapped in a "question" about membership? Should you dislike Tough Pigs *so* much, there is an obvious solution... don't go there. I see no reason for you to broadcast your decision either. I mean, who cares?

[scarecroe]

Wow, that's harsh dude. Did you come up with this observation after just one quick look? Like Jackie said, I think you ought to give it a chance. Muppet websites have really branched out well on the net in the past few years with MC, Kermitage, ToughPigs and others. They've all got their own tone, attitude and method of presenting Muppet things to fans. Danny Horn's been reporting Muppet news since the early 90's via his MuppetZine (http://www.2momluvme.com/muppet2.html), and always in his own unique style of humor.

As for the members of the message board, I am one amongst many here who regularly post there. The boards at MC and TP offer a nice mix of where I can get my Muppet news and chat about Muppety things to come.

There are other Muppet message boards out there including rec.arts.henson+muppets (http://groups.google.com/groups?group=rec.arts.henson%2Bmuppets) and the LiveJournal (http://www.livejournal.com/community/muppets) community. You don't have to post at any of them if you don't want to, or you can post at all of them. Each group has their own faults and strengths.

A more diverse online Muppet community, is a happier online Muppet community. How boring would it be if there were only ONE place to go? If you've got a favorite, that's cool, but someone else's favorite might be something else. Keep an open mind and don't take things so seriously.

[sits on a whoopee cushion]

[Jackie]

Exactly! The old rule...if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. :)

[beaker]

eehhh, I dont know about those recartshenson and livejournal ones, those seem to be heavy on the mainstreamer pop observation 'hey i remember muppet babies!' variety...but...

I love Tough Pigs! And I didnt even know it was an old school MC styled(ie: delphi) forum til recently.

You cant just eat turkey and bread every day, you gotta mix it up with some falafel and garbonzo beans!

Danny puts this very irreverent spin on things, and has a ton of weekly exclusive tidbits(like Smig's very insider swag heavy SDCC report) Quite frankly I love both MC and TP, as its like two different flavours of ice cream.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by beaker
its like two different flavours of ice cream.

Sometimes you feel like Vanilla and sometimes you feel like Chocolate Chip mint. Ya know? :)

[radionate]

Even I go to the "other place" from time to time! ;) :p :D

[Danny Horn]

Well, while I appreciate what folks have posted here in defense of TP and Muppet websites in general, I think KansasTeen's main issue with Tough Pigs is that the guy in charge is a ******.

Which is true. I am a ******, and I'm happy about it. If KansasTeen has a problem with ******s, then yeah, Tough Pigs probably isn't the place to go, since it's full of 'em.

Then again, I've noticed that Muppet fandom in general is pretty well stocked with ******s. In fact, if avoiding ******s is your goal, then you may not want to hang out with so many grown men who collect dolls. Just a thought.

[radionate]

ROFL! :p

[FellowWLover]

Did you just call me a *******?

[GWGumby]

Did you just call me a *******?

No he specifically said "******" not "*******"

Though Kansasteen did call him a "*******"

[kansasteen14]

ok well I shouldnt of called anyone what I did,but I still dont really like the way it is.you say that anyone can go and give a warning but if you are a teen you treat them like they are stupid and i find it interesting the only people to respond are adult members of that board.

[Wozza Fraggle]

Im also a Teen.

A Seven, to be exact.


See ya

[beaker]

>>>>Sometimes you feel like Vanilla and sometimes you feel like Chocolate Chip mint. Ya know? <<<

and sometimes you feel like a la penut butter and anchovie ice cream!

>>>i find it interesting the only people to respond are adult members of that board<<<

That would be because a huge portion of the glory years of Muppets was in the late 70's through the late 80's, making a lot of the big Muppet fans in the online community...well in their 20's and on. Well except for Warrick, I think he somehow got in FR episodes in the womb.

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by GWGumby
Though Kansasteen did call him a "*******" I could have sworn (no pun intended) that he originally said "******," but that's just a mystery to me.

[beaker]

>>>I could have sworn (no pun intended) that he originally said "******," but that's just a mystery to me<<<

Hmm, I could have sworn he said "*********" not "*******"
Though maybe he did say "**********" :)

[Jackie]

Ya know what! **************!!!! *******!!!! ********! ...whew!

Translation at the other place! LOL! j/k

[Danny Horn]

KansasTeen:

On the Tough Pigs Forum start page, it says that nice kids are welcome, and mean kids are not.

Calling me a ****** is not a great argument for why you should be respected and listened to at my forum. If that's a typical example of how you interact with people, then I'm surprised that you expect to be welcome anywhere.


-- Danny

www.ToughPigs.com
The Fansite for Discriminating Doll-wigglers

[FellowWLover]

Danny, Danny, I think you misunderstood. He didn't call you a ******, he called you a *******. See the difference? ;)

[Jackie]

Peoples is peoples :)

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by FellowWLover
Danny, Danny, I think you misunderstood. He didn't call you a ******, he called you a *******. See the difference? ;) I still maintain that he originally said ******. I mean, what the **** is a ******* anyway? It doesn't make sense.

[juliette]

If you guys keep this up, we're gonna use up our monthly quota of asterisks. Then we'll really be in trouble.

[beaker]

>>>>Peoples is peoples <<<

ack Jackie, now Im going to have to watch MTM tonight you know! Hmmm, and I had other movie plans...but peoples are peoples!

[Jackie]

Originally posted by beaker
>>>>Peoples is peoples <<<

ack Jackie, now Im going to have to watch MTM tonight you know! Hmmm, and I had other movie plans...but peoples are peoples!

Pete is a smart man, even though he can't write good. hehe!

[Traveling Matt]

I post at Tough Pigs more frequently now, and I think it's a great Muppet site. Lots of news and neat stories, and Danny seems like a nice guy.

I don't see what the problem is.

If you don't like the site, Kansasteen, your best bet is to just avoid visiting.

- Billy :cool:

[beaker]

>>>Pete is a smart man, even though he can't write good. hehe!<<<

I say they get some sort of MTM theme at Muppetfest 2003!

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by beaker
I say they get some sort of MTM theme at Muppetfest 2003! Yeah we could all sleep in lockers.

It would beat the coat hanger in the closet I slept in at December's 'Fest.

[Sir Didymus]

I love ToughPigs! It has lots of good muppet news! I don't see why Kansasteen doesn't like it?!

Sir Didymus

[Lu775]

I love ToughPigs. And Danny is my secret crush!! shhhhh, don't tell- it's a secret!

[kansasteen14]

well see I dont usually act like that but you people didnt have to ridicule me.GOD and if you like thats ok but do I have to like it?

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by kansasteen14
if you like thats ok but do I have to like it? Nope, and therin lies the beauty of having multiple sources of Muppet fandom online. Thanks for playing!

[Jackie]

Originally posted by beaker
>>>Pete is a smart man, even though he can't write good. hehe!<<<

I say they get some sort of MTM theme at Muppetfest 2003!

LOL! If Henson doesn't, you sure can bet the fans will! How many people are ready to walk into a big broadway producer's studio with a boffo socko script? hehe

[Danny Horn]

So, KansasTeen, you only call someone a ****** on special occasions?

Lucky me.



-- Danny

www.ToughPigs.com
The Fansite for Discriminating Doll-wigglers

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by kansasteen14
well see I dont usually act like that but you people didnt have to ridicule me.GOD and if you like thats ok but do I have to like it?

At least nobody called you a *******. Personally, I think your attitude has improved a great deal thanks to a little "ridicule" as you call it. Perhaps you could hire a few of us to give you a daily dose of ridicule... it could do wonders for your personality, not to mention your complexion. ;)

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by FellowWLover
it could do wonders for .... your complexion. ;) I use natural herbal treatments myself, but every once and a while I allow for a dose of ridicule. It doesn't come cheap, I can tell you that.

[Jackie]

Someone once told me "A little embarrassment never hurt anybody" Same goes for a little ridicule. :)

[kansasteen14]

actually no the ridicule never hurt and I dont have a bad attitude,or if I got one it was because of you.and you might want to know what I called you if you're going to say anything.

[Lu775]

and yet, we're not going to ask you.

[scarecroe]

I called my girlfriend a poo-poo head once. She hit me over the head with her Barbie and told the teacher on me.

[beaker]

>>>Yeah we could all sleep in lockers.

It would beat the coat hanger in the closet I slept in at December's 'Fest<<<

eeek, that sounds very remenescent of my Muppetfest options!
Luckily those nights can go by pretty fast when youre with a couple of diehard muppet fans!

>>>LOL! If Henson doesn't, you sure can bet the fans will! How many people are ready to walk into a big broadway producer's studio with a boffo socko script? hehe<<<

youre darn skippy! Man Jackie, you so have gotta make it! What would Muppetfest be without you, emmy, and the international gang that couldnt make it last time?

[Traveling Matt]

Billy here again, bringing to you an old post reply!

Originally posted by Scarecroe
I use natural herbal treatments myself, but every once and a while I allow for a dose of ridicule. It doesn't come cheap, I can tell you that.
Tell me about it! I used to buy it over the counter, but now? Jeez! The pharmacy industry must think us sick folks are made of money. ;)

- Billy :cool:

P.S. Guys, let's get a few things straight: A ******* is not a ******; it specifically says ********. There's a capital * there. Even I know that.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by beaker
>>>Yeah we could all sleep in lockers.

It would beat the coat hanger in the closet I slept in at December's 'Fest<<<

eeek, that sounds very remenescent of my Muppetfest options!
Luckily those nights can go by pretty fast when youre with a couple of diehard muppet fans!

>>>LOL! If Henson doesn't, you sure can bet the fans will! How many people are ready to walk into a big broadway producer's studio with a boffo socko script? hehe<<<

youre darn skippy! Man Jackie, you so have gotta make it! What would Muppetfest be without you, emmy, and the international gang that couldnt make it last time?

The same thing that would happen if the people out west couldn't make it!

[Joggy]

Is Muppet Fandom right? Is *******s, right? Is *******s, right? But, not Muppet fandom open. Only **********s. So, ******s is ******s.

Joggy the ********

[scarecroe]

I don't know what the **** anyone's talking about anymore.

[Traveling Matt]

Same here. I don't know what the **** is going on now. But this was one **** fun thread.

- Billy :cool:

[Crazy Harry]

I don't know what's going on. I just wanted to say ****. So ****!

[Katiejuhree]

Originally posted by scarecroe
Yeah we could all sleep in lockers.


If MF2 is in New York, a locker is all I'll be able to afford!

[Traveling Matt]

Originally posted by Katiejuhree
If MF2 is in New York, a locker is all I'll be able to afford!
LOL! I'm with you.

"I'll trade with anyone who has a jacuzzi!"

- Billy :cool:

[scarecroe]

Oh c'mon, it's only for one night!

[Jackie]

You people can stay in New Jersey at a cheaper hotel and take a train into NYC for MF.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Traveling Matt

LOL! I'm with you.

"I'll trade with anyone who has a jacuzzi!"

- Billy :cool:


There might be cheaper lockers in NJ for you guys.

[danielromens]

woah buddies...let's all settle the **** down in here. Here's my take.

To quote the great chevy chase, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

I happen to post at Toughpigs and here at MuppetCentral. I don't feel that as a twenty four year old guy, that I have to ever refer to anywhere as "the other place". I find it somewhat rediculous that there are actually people who use, or rather waste their energy, mudslinging anyones efforts. Both Danny and Phil put a lot of time and energy into their sites, and I respect them for it. It's more than the rest of us do. Some of that respect, however, is sometimes deminished by what I feel is stupid bull****.

The bull**** of which I refer is making fun of a site for an article it has, or something a person has posted. Especially when the person making fun, has obviously taken the time to check out the "opposing site." Yes, we are doll collecting men, but do we not bleed? Do we not yearn to be heard? Mind you this is coming from a guy who is oft considered sarcastic and sometimes also called an *******, such as Danny was. I think in the right context it's hilarious. But as a constant user of these sites, I try, repeat TRY to keep my feelings about each place in check these days.

To those at toughpigs, why is it, through all your ******** about this site, do you continue to post and expect or want to be also heard and taken seriously here. It seems rather hypocritical and pretty ******* childish. Nerdish really. Christ in many cases we're grown people hiding behind screennames picking on others because we no more than they do about the ******* muppets and because we feel we are part of superiour internet sites. What right do we have to make fun of anyone? Again, pretty rediculous and the stuff losers are made of. I mean some of you post here a lot, but again, you pick it apart and seem to think one superior. There have even been threads started with the intent of ripping on the work done here. I say, build a site yourself, then you can talk. Until then keep it shut buddies. What you fail to remember is it's just different. Yes Muppet Central, is a bit more family oriented, but I really don't find anything wrong with that, it's got some great info on it. Info I probably wouldn't have found out here in Wisconsin. If you want something more adult, Danny's given to you. Go there and enjoy, share what you may have learned here and discuss it and thank him before you leave.

Now, To those at Muppet Central, lighten the **** up. By whining about the treatment or reaction gotten at toughpigs, you only position yourself to be made fun of even more, as you've seen here. Actually by saying something so rediculous, I'd say you deserve it. The very thing that has angered you, is the very thing you then brought to this board dip****. Toughpigs is a site for the muppet fan with an edge. It ain't your daddy's site fan boy. I mean ****, it's called toughpigs, what does that tell you. Also, you don't have to post, but man, you'll be missing out on some great info on Henson stuff.

Sweet Baby Ray's man, what the ****. There's also the part of me that does say we have every right to seem hoighty-toighty as fans, because that's what fans do. We're smarter than the average when it comes to things Henson. I don't however, think it means we have to act like ***** when someone doesn't know as much as we do. It's up to us older folks to educate the young. That and it doesn't seem very fitting for a fan of a man who did his best to promote a sense of exceptance and peace.

Again that's just my take.

Daniel Romens.

[FellowWLover]

It's up to us older folks to educate the young. That and it doesn't seem very fitting for a fan of a man who did his best to promote a sense of exceptance and peace.

... believe you meant "acceptance", but the way you spelled it (read: exclusionary) actually made your post more amusing and less of a waste of time to read.

[danielromens]

fellowWlover

yeah, thanks for pointing that out buddy. Acceptance is the word I meant. I was tired of typing and wasn't paying attention. Sorry you felt it was a waste of time, yet interesting that you kept reading it anyway. Great thing about a forum I guess. Hope you got the point anyway.

D-Ro
(my ghetto tag)

[grail]

actually, i thought it made some excellent points about both boards. it WAS a little heavy in gratuitious expletives (okay, i probably woulda used more if it were me), but the message was there. MC and Toughpigs are like the classic "apples to oranges" comparassion. the problem is that everybody thinks they're both bananas.

(heh...i just got away with calling everyone bananas)

not to make light of your post, Daniel becuase it was quite well done, but i just can't help myself

[Luke]

I don't think it made much sense anyway because it was totally 100% inacurate though i can see why you made the assumptions you made. You kinda have to have been here for the last 4 years and know the history of the sites and also the relationships between the people who run them to know what the heck is going or, or why it's going on.

Toughpigs basically primarily consists of rats (not dirty ones) that have deserted the ship - and for the most part they are the original members of 'Muppet Central' and also the main original contributors to this site (which also makes your 'build a site youself' argument fall flat because MC IS 85% other peoples work). You kinda have to ask yourself why all the people who have been here the longest have all got fed up and gone off to play somewhere else, wheras they stuck around before because MC was the ONLY option, now there are others and thats very good for the fan community as a whole. Even the moderators here are relatively new (all the old ones got fed up and left) and you kind of have to question why a site this old needs to recruit newer people to run the place because the older ones know better than to involve themselves with that. I guess lessons will be learned and maybe things will turn out better for the new people here or the same pattern will emerge.

It is a shame that fairly innocent people have got caught out in the crossfire between the two sites, but MC kinda puts itself out there to be ridiculed. Sometimes it's a bit like a candy factory, it might make a nice happy little atmosphere (as long as the visitors act like good little children and do what they're told) but it also means that all integrity is pretty much lost, and that the way it tries to represent the fans isn't always a true representation of how they feel or what they think.

[CaptCrouton]

Ida know Luke,

Seems like you were taking potshots at MC yourself.

As for me, I've read both sites. I prefer MC because it's a happier place and I like some lightness at the end of the day. Tough Pigs is really an angrier and darker. Kind of like the Muppets Pool Hall or something.

Don't get me wrong. The articles are more prolific, and the writers are good at mockery. It's always sarcastic and sometimes funny. But I prefer a website that I can take my kids too and feel good about since they're equally interested in the muppets. Cause Muppets are family-oriented. They're supposed to be family that's why Gortch didn't work. Read the articles at TP and you'll see why.

Anyway that's my HO,
Markus

[Luke]

Markus,

Not so much potshots, just the way i've seen things develop over the years. I'm fed up with people trying to force opinions on others and being shovel fed things the site wants to push, with little mention of others. If there is any faith in the brand or the site visitors then they'll be presented with the facts and left to make up their own mind without any candy-coating. You don't need to do that to create a 'family' type atmosphere although i admire MC for it's more general stance. There have certainly things that have been said on 'Tough Pigs' that i don't agree with either. Hopefully a few more large fansites should be popping up fairly soon to give fans even more choice.

[Danny Horn]

I have to say, I agree with a lot of what Daniel R said. I totally agree that Muppet fans should be working on building things rather than tearing things down. I've seen a lot of growth and new stuff happening in the Muppet fan community over the last year, which I'm really excited about. I don't like it when people just whine and complain about problems, without making the effort to work on solutions.

The one thing that I disagree about is the question of whether we can criticize fan sites. Daniel says we shouldn't make fun of articles that are posted on websites. I think websites are public, and can be "reviewed" and criticized just like TV shows, movies or magazines.

When write an article and post it on Tough Pigs, I figure it's out there in the world for people to see. Maybe people will treasure it and build their lives around its precepts. Maybe people will hate it and make fun of it. But I'm a big boy, and that's show biz. If you put stuff out on public display, you have to expect that people will read it and have an opinion about it.

I don't twist people's arms and force them to write articles and publish them on the web. If folks are really scared that their articles will be read with a critical eye, then they could either distribute them secretly to their friends, or write better articles. This isn't the special olympics, where everybody gets a medal just for showing up. In the real world, you get more praise if you do stuff well.

Daniel R says, essentially, that grown-ups should act like grown-ups. I couldn't agree more.


-- Danny

www.ToughPigs.com
The Fansite for Discriminating Doll-wigglers

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by Danny Horn

Daniel R says, essentially, that grown-ups should act like grown-ups. I couldn't agree more.




Yeah, but from what I have seen, he doesn't always subscribe to his own advice.

[danielromens]

***FellowW
Yeah, but from what I have seen, he doesn't always subscribe to his own advice.***

Nor do I pretend to. here's something I wrote in my original post.
***Mind you this is coming from a guy who is oft considered sarcastic and sometimes also called an *******, such as Danny was. I think in the right context it's hilarious. But as a constant user of these sites, I try, repeat TRY to keep my feelings about each place in check these days. ***

Danny, I'm glad you caught my point. I'm learning the ways of the Toughpigs. Less like overvealous jerks and more like dudes having a good time.
As for the ripping on articles, I see your point, but I guess I need to be a bit more clear. I guess I see more wrong in the criticism of a persons post. Sometimes a persons question doesn't really seem answered, it's more like bullies making fun of a nerd for saying something dumb or misspelling something, which is usually just a quick and sloppy typo. It just tends to make things somewhat cliquey and unwelcoming. Though I do often find myself laughing.... As for the making fun of an article, which is what I call it, it's as follows. You make it sound like it's a bit like a critique of a television show, I'm referring more to a backround gossip "oh my god did you see what that jungle yhetti wore to the prom" sort of thing. There is a difference between a constructive criticism and a mean spirited attack.

As for Luke. I see your point, though I'll intergect a bit of knowledge for you as well. About the only thing I haven't seen is the actual personal interactions of those involved with the group. I assume you have than or at least have heard a side, be it one or many, of the story. As for your following the site for four years, likewise man, same with toughpigs. I just choose not to post as often unless I really feel I need to give an opinion. Usually I just come for news. It's a **** of a lot more interesting usually. Though in between I like to read and every now and then participate in some of the fights. As a whole though I just find the whole internet based squabbling kind of geeky. Way waste the time. Some of you cats post tons of posts in these things, I just don't have the time. So I look for the stuff that has a bit more substance. To each his own I guess.

Daniel Romens
Dharma Bum

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by danielromens
To each his own I guess.Exactly.

[Jackie]

Lol, sometimes you just have to lighten up and let things happen. There are other more important things to get all angry about. Like when your palisades email will come! LOL!!! ;)

[danielromens]

Jackie,
I agree fully man, I've sent for the invisible Foz and the Club and I have yet to recieve either. Frightning. My bank account's gotten notice that's for sure.

Scarecrowe,
I assume your reply was to prove the point that you do have time. If the arguments are muppet related, then I'll take a gander and get involved. If it's just people bashing each other or taking potshots at someones efforts, I chose not involve myself in the negativity. Though from what I read, neither do you it would seem. I just don't see the point. Sorry for any confusion.

[Luke]

To be honest, i'm here for the Muppet fan community as a whole - many of the people here have become friends over the years and i'm here for them rather than to specifically support either site, although i enjoy all Muppet sites. I hope in the years to come more sites will launch and give us a more balanced internet community like the Simpsons sites have. A lot of the time, i'll laugh about things and realise it takes all sorts to make this wacky world the place it is. If things go too far, someone gets unfairly treated, or i see something happening where i feel the fans or the brand is being used, abused or exploited by anyone then i'll usually speak out in the hope it will stimulate some thought and maybe a solution to the situation. I think it's only natural as part of the community to care about how it develops.

[danielromens]

Luke, you're a gentleman and a scholar. I echo your sentiment. The last fest myself and my buddy Andy didn't really know anyone and missed the get togethers. Hopefully at the next fest I can meet some of you folks. Person to person tends to be a lot more successful in terms of finding a persons wavelength. I've come to believe I'm a lot closer to you folks in that area than I thought.

take care man.

[Danny Horn]

Yeah, I'll agree with Daniel R again... I'm getting tired of the negativity too. My goal is just to mess around and have a good time, maybe talk about Muppets a bit. Y'know. Fun stuff.


-- Danny

www. ToughPigs.com
The Fansite for Discriminating Doll-wigglers

[Traveling Matt]

Originally posted by Luke
To be honest, i'm here for the Muppet fan community as a whole - many of the people here have become friends over the years and i'm here for them rather than to specifically support either site, although i enjoy all Muppet sites. I hope in the years to come more sites will launch and give us a more balanced internet community like the Simpsons sites have. A lot of the time, i'll laugh about things and realise it takes all sorts to make this wacky world the place it is. If things go too far, someone gets unfairly treated, or i see something happening where i feel the fans or the brand is being used, abused or exploited by anyone then i'll usually speak out in the hope it will stimulate some thought and maybe a solution to the situation. I think it's only natural as part of the community to care about how it develops.
Well done, Luke ;)

- Billy :cool:

[beaker]

>>>Tough Pigs is really an angrier and darker. Kind of like the Muppets Pool Hall or something<<<

LOL I like TP, but this was a funny observation...actually, TP forum is more informative newswise than MC is about non figure merchandise and rare finds, as well as other stuff.

daniel:>>>Again, pretty rediculous and the stuff losers are made of. I mean some of you post here a lot, but again, you pick it apart and seem to think one superior. There have even been threads started with the intent of ripping on the work done here.<<<

I agree a bit. Think of TP where all the ex wcw/wwf employees went to after WWE bought everything and everything went downhill sports entertainment wise. Not so say I think MC went downhill, but I will agree with some of the deserters there is a huge gap between the old mc and the new one. But thats evolution baby. With such a small hardcore fanbase(a few hundred on delphi, 700 on here) why quibble over a few things?
Sure MC is facts as facts and has insider propaganda agendas cloaked as what if fan polls. And sure Danny has a very sarcastic approach, but as someone stated earlier...its too different takes and tastes, both of which I really dig immensely. This online community is too small to trade crossfire it would seem.

[Traveling Matt]

Originally posted by Beaker
This online community is too small to trade crossfire it would seem.

With such a small hardcore fanbase(a few hundred on delphi, 700 on here) why quibble over a few things?


Absolutely. Our fan base is way too small to start crap like that. Besides, I like the fact that MC and TP are so different. If they were practically "sister sites", I would be aching for some different approaches and viewpoints.

- Billy :cool:

[kansasteen14]

I agree with all said and apologised but I hope you werent calling me a *******

[Jackie]

Oh this is going to be so much fun!

[scarecroe]

Originally posted by kansasteen14
I agree with all said and apologised but I hope you werent calling me a ******* Didn't you know? We're all a bunch of *******s.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by scarecroe
Didn't you know? We're all a bunch of *******s.

I didn't know that! Thanks for reminding me.

[Smig]

Teddy Ruxpin.. Now THAT'S *******

Smig

[beaker]

>>>>Absolutely. Our fan base is way too small to start crap like that. Besides, I like the fact that MC and TP are so different. If they were practically "sister sites", I would be aching for some different approaches and viewpoints<<<

Oh too true. I could under stand Trek and Lucasfan/star wars online forums, but Muppet sites? What all few hundred of us? C'mon, this boat is unfortunately too small to rock too much.

[Zack the Dog]

Well, my name does beging with the last letter of the Alphabet...What!?! Enough of that Zack!...

Well anyways, i'll share my thought's as well, I find Danny a low down, stingey and poorly dressed guy! Wait! That's a "guessed" Miss Piggy line from MCC.

I'm just kidding, Danny's a great guy! I actulay met him in a fight, ??? well i mean it was kinda an arguement...kinda? well, well, i really don't know "how" to put it. But I remember when he was first starting Tough Pigs (don't we all?) and he invited me in to the opeing chat, he even stated to me that there will be a lot of "adult humor intened, and he knew i wasn't really "an Adult humor kinda guy" but i was welcome to come back to TP anytime...Danny put it in a more haliorus way, but man reading his "my week's" and contests and so on, are such a HOOT!

Zack)Rowlf the, Hoot with a capital Q...well, whatever that mean's???Dog.

[Jackie]

Nothing wrong with adult humor. It's more childish if you ask me. We're all still children at heart anyways :)

[Joggy]

Originally posted by Jackie
We're all still children at heart anyways :)

Yep, and we're all still *********s.

:D

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by Joggy


Yep, and we're all still *********s.



Did he just call me an *******?

[Joggy]

Lolololololololololo!!!

(geez, I can still say that here!)

[Jackie]

Originally posted by FellowWLover


Did he just call me an *******?

I think he called me an ******* too!

[Joggy]

Uhm... *gulp* Jackie, Jes, no hard feelings... I mean, I'm an ******* too... It's not too bad being a ******. Heh heh heh. Yeah. *gulp*.

[Crazy Harry]

I've always thought of myself as more of a ***** then a *******, but that's just a difference of opinion.

[Joggy]

Well okay then. You are a *******. The others are all just plain ********s.

Top of the ******** to you.