CGI Muppet Babies Show?

[erniebert1234ss]

WHAT?? MY FAVE SHOW IN CGI? hope they know *** they're doing, if it ain't done right, I'll have to sic Jeff Foxworthy on them! Seriously, Disney better come out with a piece of animation software like their Imagineers use. At one point they force-fed a "children's" animation program down everybody's throats and it was no good, I got it. If you are listening, Sir Eisner, do the right **** thing for once! I dont want to have to come in and throw your bum *** out!

[erniebert1234ss]

Let's just say that I am steamed. I'm blowing off steam in the direction of Michael Eisner and hope to that Great Cub in the Sky that he actually listens to all of our complaints about this deal and the ones of us who are "true" animation buffs (No ANIME) who are really steamed at him right now because he's basically ruined us animation buffs' right to petition him for this, that or the other thing. I want to go in and kick him out so bad, it hurts me.

[Dr. Bombay]

Where did you read/hear about this?

[Beauregard]

Everyone's heard of it, no?

BTW, do we think this will be decent, or will it be crass like *looks to make sure no one's looking* *gasps* *whispers* Lilo and Stitch. *gulp* Imagine Muppet Babies in that style animi...

[Fozzie Bear]

What show?!

[Beauregard]

When it was announced that Disney was taking over Muppet Babies, it was also annonced that hey were possibly making this new show. No?

[BoyRaisin2]

That's the rumor, although no one has really confirmed anything.

[Skeeter Muppet]

Let's just say that I am steamed. I'm blowing off steam in the direction of Michael Eisner and hope to that Great Cub in the Sky that he actually listens to all of our complaints about this deal and the ones of us who are "true" animation buffs (No ANIME) who are really steamed at him right now because he's basically ruined us animation buffs' right to petition him for this, that or the other thing. I want to go in and kick him out so bad, it hurts me.

So, those of us who actually *like* anime aren't "true animation buffs", is that it? Because we happen to like animated shows that come from Japan, we can't possibly enjoy or appreciate the animation that's done here? Remember: it was an anime that won the first Best Animated Picture Academy Award in 2003.

-Kim

[Phillip Chapman]

The show hasn't been brought up in an official Disney/Henson press release per say, but it's been in development for awhile now.

It's basically a new animated CGI show with the Muppet Babies. Apparently, the plan is that the puppeteers will still operate the characters via the "Waldo" system.

Keep in mind though, with the Disney deal they may want to go in a different direction. We will probably hear something official on this in the next 12 months.

[Luke]

Yeah the plan was for Henson (not Disney) to make this using their in-house performance control system. It's not really CGI as in Lilo & Stitch but CGI as in computer assisted puppetry. I think Lisa Henson has indeed mentioned it officially, saying they had done tests and hadn't at that time shown Disney. I agree that since the sale it can now go in pretty much any direction though. Bear in mind the present Muppet Babies promotions haven't gone down a storm so quite possibly it could go in the direction of not happening. There was an insider at one point on another forum who said that some of the younger up and coming Muppeteers would be providing the voices and doing the waldo style puppeteering.

[BoyRaisin2]

Remember: it was an anime that won the first Best Animated Picture Academy Award in 2003.

Second, actually. :cool:

[Skeeter Muppet]

Second, actually. :cool:

All right, I stand corrected on that point. But still...

-Kim

[Aaron]

i love the song in you're sig

[Skeeter Muppet]

i love the song in you're sig

Idina Menzel rocks. That's all there is to it.

-Kim

[Aaron]

we sang that song in a showcase i was in

[McFraggle]

Everyone's heard of it, no?

BTW, do we think this will be decent, or will it be crass like *looks to make sure no one's looking* *gasps* *whispers* Lilo and Stitch. *gulp* Imagine Muppet Babies in that style animi...

Since when was Lilo CGI? And no I doubt it would be done like that film anyway. Although I did like the film quite a bit.

[Beauregard]

Er, actually, I'm not sure what Lilo is, but I was assuming it was part CGI...sorry bout that...

[Skeeter Muppet]

The only CGI that was in Lilo and Stitch was most likely for the spaceships and other outer space scenes. Everything else was done in traditional 2-D animation; Disney even went back to using watercolor backgrounds for that film.

-Kim

[GonzoLeaper]

Forgive me for my ignorance :o , but Skeeter Muppet, could you please tell me who that person is in your avatar? I believe he's a character in a Henson production performed by Richard Hunt, but that's all I can determine at the moment. :confused: :concern:

[McFraggle]

Er, actually, I'm not sure what Lilo is, but I was assuming it was part CGI...sorry bout that...

That's alright Beau, we forgive you. Like Skeeter said the only major CGI to my knowledge was in the spaceship scene at the end.

[Skeeter Muppet]

Forgive me for my ignorance :o , but Skeeter Muppet, could you please tell me who that person is in your avatar? I believe he's a character in a Henson production performed by Richard Hunt, but that's all I can determine at the moment. :confused: :concern:

That is the Wild Impresario, from The Ghost of Faffner Hall. And you're right, he was performed by Richard Hunt; after Scooter, I'd have to say the Wild Imp is my favorite character performed by Richard.

-Kim

[Fozzie Bear]

CGI Muppet Babies? humphf! I don't like the idea. Not at all. CGI anything concerning Muppets is a bad idea to me.

You know what? When I was a kid I wrote to Disney and suggested that they get the Henson Company to make Muppets of Disney Characters (from the Mickey Mouse genre) and produce a Movie with those. They said that to use puppets rather than animation would not be within keeping the integrity of those said characters.

I hope they don't become idiots and begin trying to CGI Muppets. That would definitely NOT be within the integrity of THOSE said characters. I mean, if it's a long shot and we need to see the full bodies walking or something, sure--special effects, no problem. But, why even then? They made kermit and Piggy and the gang ride bikes in GMC--who needs CGI?!

I don't!

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

CGI Muppet Babies? humphf! I don't like the idea. Not at all. CGI anything concerning Muppets is a bad idea to me.

You know what? When I was a kid I wrote to Disney and suggested that they get the Henson Company to make Muppets of Disney Characters (from the Mickey Mouse genre) and produce a Movie with those. They said that to use puppets rather than animation would not be within keeping the integrity of those said characters.

I hope they don't become idiots and begin trying to CGI Muppets. That would definitely NOT be within the integrity of THOSE said characters. I mean, if it's a long shot and we need to see the full bodies walking or something, sure--special effects, no problem. But, why even then? They made kermit and Piggy and the gang ride bikes in GMC--who needs CGI?!

I don't!


Yeah but Muppet babies WAS a cartoon to begin with :smirk:

[erniebert1234ss]

So, those of us who actually *like* anime aren't "true animation buffs", is that it? Because we happen to like animated shows that come from Japan, we can't possibly enjoy or appreciate the animation that's done here? Remember: it was an anime that won the first Best Animated Picture Academy Award in 2003.

-Kim

First of all, you don't know who my friends are. Secondly, one of my friends, Kate Monahan, is TOO wrapped up in anime and she and I are lessons in opposites. She has absolutely no restraint and I have restraint. Period.

BJ

[Skeeter Muppet]

First of all, you don't know who my friends are. Secondly, one of my friends, Kate Monahan, is TOO wrapped up in anime and she and I are lessons in opposites. She has absolutely no restraint and I have restraint. Period.

BJ

First of all, I never said a thing about your friends. Did you see me take any pot shots at your friends anywhere in my response?

Let's just say that I am steamed. I'm blowing off steam in the direction of Michael Eisner and hope to that Great Cub in the Sky that he actually listens to all of our complaints about this deal and the ones of us who are "true" animation buffs (No ANIME) who are really steamed at him right now because he's basically ruined us animation buffs' right to petition him for this, that or the other thing. I want to go in and kick him out so bad, it hurts me.

Secondly, see the the quoted text up above? The way it's worded, one could infer that the "us" stated in that paragraph to mean Muppet fans in general, or animation fans in general. If you meant your friends, then maybe you should have made that a LITTLE clearer.

Thirdly, my initial reply still stands - people can be fans of both types of animation, and are fans of both types, something which the above quoted text seems to condemn.

-Kim

[Fozzie Bear]

Yeah but Muppet babies WAS a cartoon to begin with :smirk:

Muppet Babies first appeared as a part of Miss Piggy's fantasy in The Muppets Take Manhattan. Not long after that the JHC began extending those fantasies of her's using all the Muppets as babies in the cartoon. Puppets first, cartoons second. Now...CGI?! Ugh. Animation would be better...but, then...I wonder. If they did the work like was done in Toy Story, and it's not that cheesey-cheap CGI, it could work! I just don't see a company using theatrical CGI to produce a television program.

[Skeeter Muppet]

Muppet Babies first appeared as a part of Miss Piggy's fantasy in The Muppets Take Manhattan. Not long after that the JHC began extending those fantasies of her's using all the Muppets as babies in the cartoon. Puppets first, cartoons second. Now...CGI?! Ugh. Animation would be better...but, then...I wonder. If they did the work like was done in Toy Story, and it's not that cheesey-cheap CGI, it could work! I just don't see a company using theatrical CGI to produce a television program.

Well, we could always hope that the CGI is similar to or on par with the folks who did Reboot...

-Kim

[Baby Rowlf]

CGI Muppet Babies? humphf! I don't like the idea. Not at all. CGI anything concerning Muppets is a bad idea to me.

You know what? When I was a kid I wrote to Disney and suggested that they get the Henson Company to make Muppets of Disney Characters (from the Mickey Mouse genre) and produce a Movie with those. They said that to use puppets rather than animation would not be within keeping the integrity of those said characters.

I hope they don't become idiots and begin trying to CGI Muppets. That would definitely NOT be within the integrity of THOSE said characters. I mean, if it's a long shot and we need to see the full bodies walking or something, sure--special effects, no problem. But, why even then? They made kermit and Piggy and the gang ride bikes in GMC--who needs CGI?!

I don't!

I find it ironic that Disney said that...and then later on went to create that one show that had Muppet versions of Winnie the Pooh. I forget what that show was called, but I don't think it's on anymore.

If they do anything production-wise withthe Babies, why not just break out the puppet versions?

[erniebert1234ss]

I find it ironic that Disney said that...and then later on went to create that one show that had Muppet versions of Winnie the Pooh. I forget what that show was called, but I don't think it's on anymore.

If they do anything production-wise with the Babies, why not just break out the puppet versions?

That show is "The Book of Pooh" and I dunno if they have new eps; the style of puppeteering was Bunraku, the Japanese form of puppetry, to set the story straight. And no, I find total puppetry in that style (bunraku) is just a tad bit annoying, kinda like the "old" marionette style (in other words, the marionettes you work from above, not below). I hope they scrap that idea altogether, that does get very annoying after a couple viewings.

[Cantus]

I'm all for it. Henson hasn't really done much with the computer assisted puppetry. There were the mosquitos in Muppet Treasure Island, and obviously there was Waldo, but I don't recall it ever being done for all the puppets in a show involving only puppets... Well, you know what I mean anyway. To be honest, while I'd rather see the Muppet Babies in an animated format, preferrably back in the old cell animation, I wouldn't mind if they tried it the way they did the Book of Pooh. But I think Henson is far more traditional in their muppet productions to branch out that drastically. Wasn't the guy that did book of pooh an ex-henson-er?

[Movies205]

First off anime is part of animation and should be embraced. Though make no mistake that companies are going over-board with the anime style, just look at Teen Titans, none the less there is plenty of good anime. Secondly it sounds to me that it'll be puppets but enhanced with CGI. I don't like CGI when it's over-used but you can't sop the future. You have to embrace it, so there going try something different, it still puppets there just using CGI to do things they couldn't go b4. Let's give them a shot, I think that what kermit would do :)

[baby sinclair]

Well disney does have a nice relation with square soft when the two collided in 2002 with the release of kingdom hearts.So if disneys partners with square we could see some really nice graphics put into this show.But if not all i have to tell disney either put nice cgi into this show or dont even bother and just leave it be.

[Drtooth]

Well... off the bat, I disliked the idea of a CGI version of the show... but then again....

I do like how they combine puppetry and CGI. Sort of a step in the direction Henson took in JHH. It combines the classic art of puppetry with the modern use of CGI. I forgive it ONLY if they use the Waldo system. But then again, the Muppet Babies were cartoons (not counting the fantasy sequence in TMTM).

And I gotta agree with Skeeter on the Anime subject. Why the heck can't true buffs like both? You might as well count out Zagreb Studios' wild experimental stuff, or CGIs and Stop motion. Yeah, Pokemon is an anime, and it's lame... but how's that different from the 10,000 Scooby Doo and Archies ripoffs that Hanna Barbara made in the 1970's? All forms of art have their stinkeroos. Why cannot someone enjoy old warners cartoons, and not Akira or anything like that? In fact, a lot of popular cartoons from the 80's were Animes , as they were animated in Japan. Let's count them off. Heathcliff, Inspector Gadget, TMNT, and... (to tie this up in irony) MUPPET BABIES!!!! (As per my understanding)

[floydnjanicefan]

I actually think that the show will be pretty good. CGI can be impressive, and I think that Disney will do a great job with it. My concerns for the show are which characters they will use (please keep Rowlf, Scooter, and Skeeter), and which ones they add. I personally would like to see only the originals living in the nursery, and maybe more visiting characters (like what Bunsen and Beaker were in the original show.)

Visiting characters that I would like to see: Pepe, Johnny, Sal, Sam, Chef, Bunsen, Beaker, Dr. Teeth, Floyd, Janice, Zoot, Rizzo, Robin, Bean, Sweetums

[zanimum]

Remember: it was an anime that won the first Best Animated Picture Academy Award in 2003.

Often the Academy picks actors and movies for ratings. Often it's "woah! the underdog won!" or in this case, "woah! the Academy likes something I like, they must be cool! I'll continue to care about them!"

[zanimum]

I actually think that the show will be pretty good. CGI can be impressive, and I think that Disney will do a great job with it.

They do need to work on it a bit, though. See the trailer for Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas to find out why:
http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/moviefinder/products/3252103.html

Compared to classic Disney animation, it just seems stiff. The Muppet equal or surpass Disney in amount of movement (just look at Kermit speak), and so it could all end up a little awkward.

[Luke]

Again, Disney are not making this show or using any of their own animation techniques to do things with it. Henson has the deal to make ALL Muppet shows and will be using their own in-house performance control system. Tests for this show have been done, character voices are in place. It's just up to Disney if they want to commision Henson to actually make it as part of the deal or not.

[WiGgY]

They do need to work on it a bit, though. See the trailer for Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas to find out why:
http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/moviefinder/products/3252103.html

Compared to classic Disney animation, it just seems stiff. The Muppet equal or surpass Disney in amount of movement (just look at Kermit speak), and so it could all end up a little awkward.

Hmm..that's looks interesting. I hope this isn't how all their productions will be done though. It's odd seeing these characters in this way. It's realistic and catoony all at once. The main problem seems to be with the mouth, but that shouldn't be an issue with muppets.

I hope Henson uses their Waldo technology. I assume they will. That seems to be the way they do CGI with muppets. If that is how it is done, and they use the main muppet performers, it will be cool. CGI has come such a long way. It should look cool.

[Luke]

They aren't using the main Muppet performers, they are apparently using some of the newer Muppeteers. I think there are some names floating around somewhere. A Henson insider posted on another forum about it a while back.

[WiGgY]

Will these newer guys be doing the voices? I'd rather have Frank (or most likely Eric) do baby Fozzie and Piggy instead of some new guy. Of course the voices on the old cartoon weren't exactly matches either so I guess it doesn't matter.

Will this be a totally new show or a continuation of the old one?

[Beauregard]

I actually think that the show will be pretty good. CGI can be impressive, and I think that Disney will do a great job with it. My concerns for the show are which characters they will use (please keep Rowlf, Scooter, and Skeeter), and which ones they add. I personally would like to see only the originals living in the nursery, and maybe more visiting characters (like what Bunsen and Beaker were in the original show.)

Visiting characters that I would like to see: Pepe, Johnny, Sal, Sam, Chef, Bunsen, Beaker, Dr. Teeth, Floyd, Janice, Zoot, Rizzo, Robin, Bean, Sweetums
I hope they don't add Pepe as a main Muppet baby... :concern:

If they did I would be upset becaause Pepe is a pain.

However, I would love to see the Electric Mayhem (perhaps as teenagers, since I persume this series isn't going to try and be cannon in terms of ages and stuff...) Rizzo would make a good staying memeber, could replace Bean if nec.

It would be great if they could add penguins, and Beau to some part of the program. Maybe Beau could be a friend of Nanny's in one episode.

I hope that we do not seee above Nany's knees...

[Luke]

Will these newer guys be doing the voices? I'd rather have Frank (or most likely Eric) do baby Fozzie and Piggy instead of some new guy. Of course the voices on the old cartoon weren't exactly matches either so I guess it doesn't matter.

Will this be a totally new show or a continuation of the old one?

I dunno, i haven't really seen any definitive information about that. I'd guess it'll probably be a completely new show - i don't think we'll see a "Nanny" or anything like that. It'll probably be more like Swamp Years.
As for the voices, i have no idea. I would guess maybe the older Muppeteers will loop the biggest characters.

[Beauregard]

I dunno, i haven't really seen any definitive information about that. I'd guess it'll probably be a completely new show - i don't think we'll see a "Nanny" or anything like that. It'll probably be more like Swamp Years.
As for the voices, i have no idea. I would guess maybe the older Muppeteers will loop the biggest characters.
What? No Nanny?

I hope it dosn't become a "canon" prequel series with the muppets as friends beofre Muppet Movie. That would be rubishness defined.

[WiGgY]

Why would you call that rubbish, but you accpet the muppet movie as a real history of the muppet universe? They went from meeting on road trip to making the muppet movie with no muppet show, no theater owned by Scooter's uncle, and so on. How would muppet babies screw that up anmymore than it already is?

[Beauregard]

Hmmm, good point WiGgY...

[McFraggle]

I hope they don't add Pepe as a main Muppet baby... :concern:

If they did I would be upset becaause Pepe is a pain.

Yep, I second that. :)

[Beauregard]

Well, perhaps I put that too strungly. Pepe isn't exactly a 'pain' but he would be all wrong for the Muppet Babies, certainly.

Bea:zany:{"I am Pepe, ok. I am a baby, whah. I need a nappy change, ok."}regard

[WiGgY]

I agree Pepe wouldn't be right as a baby unless his personality was totally changed. You can't have a baby being suave.

[McFraggle]

I agree Pepe wouldn't be right as a baby unless his personality was totally changed. You can't have a baby being suave.

I totally agree. It cracks me up thinking of a baby being suave. :crazy:

[AbsorbedByPsych]

Let's just say that I am steamed. I'm blowing off steam in the direction of Michael Eisner and hope to that Great Cub in the Sky that he actually listens to all of our complaints about this deal and the ones of us who are "true" animation buffs (No ANIME) who are really steamed at him right now because he's basically ruined us animation buffs' right to petition him for this, that or the other thing. I want to go in and kick him out so bad, it hurts me.

"True" Animation buffs would know that anime has been around since 1917, (though the modern look of it came in the 50's) and the engineer of the now famous big eyes, little mouth convention took that idea from Disney (Osamu Tezuka, creator of Astro Boy and deemed to God of Anime mentioned that he took the large eyes from Bambi, he also nodded at Mac Fleicher's Betty Boop)

I am not too sure of what you are trying to say here, whether you are saying that anime is not animation or that people who like anime dont have a valid opinion. Either way you are wrong. Anime revoltionized adult (not pornographic) animation. Japanese creators used the medium to tell stories far more complex than American animators or its investors dared to. In doing so, it revitalized a medium that may have only been used to tell simple childrens stories, allowing it to grow into something much more mature.

Now I am not pompus enough to say that animation would not have naturally evolved to higher ground than children's story telling, but since you seem pompus enough to assume that try animation fans dont hold anime to any value I thought I would at least interject a bit.

[Violia]

Ok. 3 animated films have one best animated picture.
Shrek
Spirited Away
Finding Nemo
---
Second what's with the negativeness about CG and anime? Sorry I just don't get it. Yeah I understand that those animation style aren't for everyone, just relax with the negativity.
I like animated TV show done from the early 90's on for their crispness. The colors just seem more vibrant. Many of them are more detailed (ex: Batman:The Animated Series) For that reason I dislike shows such as Ren & Stempy and Ed, Edd & Eddy. They lack detail and color.
So I like CG and anime. CG for it's innovations, anime for it's ability to blend detail, color and story.
That's why I like Teen Titans and the new Justice League. Teens Titans really does have good story episodes, and I like how it seems to blend anime style with US techniques.
The reason I think for the crispness in detail and color now a days is because stuff is computer animation, not hand drawn.

btw. Lilo and Stitch rocks! my daughter will sit through it no matter how many times I show it.

[AbsorbedByPsych]

I agree with Violia, however I feel that part of a vintage show loses its appeal when it is transfered to a new media. The new Care Bear's Movie is CG and it bothers me that my bears from the 80's are now 3D with peachfuzz faces (they arent quality furry faces on , say, Monster's Inc... they are the quality of a video game ) So I can see where people are hesistant.... anime is still cool though.

Hooray otaku!

[McFraggle]

I agree with Violia, however I feel that part of a vintage show loses its appeal when it is transfered to a new media. The new Care Bear's Movie is CG and it bothers me that my bears from the 80's are now 3D with peachfuzz faces (they arent quality furry faces on , say, Monster's Inc... they are the quality of a video game ) So I can see where people are hesistant.... anime is still cool though.

Hooray otaku!

I agree, when the quality is not there, there is a big difference between traditional and cheapie CGI stuff. :)

[erniebert1234ss]

have y'all seen the zillions of DBZ ripoffs? Point made.

BJ

[Infinity Sirius]

If the Henson team took the time and hired a decent studio to make a cgi version of The Muppet Babies it could work.

[WiGgY]

It's the Disney team, not the Henson team. Disney has access to decent CGI. I'd love to see a CGI Muppet Baby movie with Pixar.

[Bean Bunny]

Disney didn't own Pixar. Disney could animate at their own animation studio instead though.

[Erine81981]

Can't wait to see what happens. I know I'll like no matter what happens. Bring on the Muppet Babies w/ the Henson's CGI!

[McFraggle]

I'd like to see it as well.

[MustangRockstar]

phew at least this thread didnt dive into an "anime" thread like it looked like it was going.

Something about 20-something fan boy's running just reminds me a little too much of my ex-roommate and his anime hub's and expo's and other "interesting" activities.

Got nothing against anime, it just seems that those who do like it often take it to frightening levels.

[McFraggle]

I see what you mean. :)

[erniebert1234ss]

I second that

BJ

[dwayne1115]

Would they get the origanl performers of MB to do the voices now or are they all gone away. and i wonder if they would proply try to bring back sceeter. and then even try to make her as an "classic Muppet as well.

[McFraggle]

I'm sure Dave Coulier would like the work, but he was a minor character anyway. :)

[DanDanStrawberry]

I wouldnt really see anything wrong with a CGI show. I mean, if it was already animated what's the big deal?

:sing:

[Drtooth]

SO is there any truth to any of this, or is it like the Fox Muppet show all over again....

[SesameKermie]

Is the waldo system where the puppeteer uses the Henson control system to work a cgi character? If that's what they're going to use, I hope they get a good CGI rendering of characters. I'd hate to see the babieslooking like a videogame.

[maxdrive]

just to say im a voltron fan and msot voltron fans hated voltorn the third demension the cgi voltron because the look of it wa so diffrent and not what we remebered i jsut hope who ever makes this show does not make the same mistake and turn off old fans for new technology :sympathy:

ps. i hope they have a song in each epp i always loved the songs they sang :cool:

[Beauregard]

Yeah, I also hope they bring back Skeeter. They can get rid of Bean if they like, but get back Skeeter!!!

Bea:zany:{SKEETER: When I grow up I want to be an explorer}regard

[Whatever]

I would want to see Skeeter with the Muppet Babies, but not with the Muppets. That'd just be odd. Although we could use more female Muppets.

[McFraggle]

SO is there any truth to any of this, or is it like the Fox Muppet show all over again....

There's a little truth in it, but who knows when or if it will ever happen. Given Disney's love of the pre-school market I would says the odds are pretty good. :D

[Drtooth]

But givin their love for the tweenage market, I'm still doubtful :rolleyes: budump bum!

[Beauregard]

How about: Muppet Tweenagers

I can just hear the theme tune now:

Muppet Tweenagers, they make they dreams come true,
Mupet Tweeagers and you can halucinate too...

[timrikthegorf]

Has anyone seen that new Christmas movie out on DVD? The one that uses the classic disney characters? It's in CGI and looks pretty cool. I'd love a muppet babies show done like this. They could even make the babies look like puppets by adding fur and stuff. I think this new movie shows that Disney likes CGI and will use it and I don't see whythey wouldn't use it with muppets, especially since the original show worked.

[Doctor Teeth]

I've always cherished the Muppet Movie, and have thought of it as the true Muppet History. While Muppet Babies are waay far off, You do have a point there.

Can you say: Looney Tunes Babies? :D

[maxdrive]

yeah but its clear that is a blant rip off of muppet babies *forms angry mob* must bring down loonie toon babies :grouchy: :D

[McFraggle]

I've always cherished the Muppet Movie, and have thought of it as the true Muppet History. While Muppet Babies are waay far off, You do have a point there.

Can you say: Looney Tunes Babies? :D

Let's not and say that we did. :eek:

[dwayne1115]

ya know it kind of makes sence lets see if i can map this out ok.

The Muppet Babies: i think of where they where was kind of like a foster home because they all didnt have any reall parents just "nanny" and some where along the way they got seperated. This would also explain why there is no Sceeter.

Kirmit Swamp Years: was Kirmit as not a baby but as a child a little older finding out what the reall world was about, and about humans. Now we can not really say for sure that nanny was a human becaues we never saw past her knees.

The Muppet Movie: Kermit even says at the "private Screening to Robin that this is aprocumently how they got strated. so we really cant say what was acully said and when they "got back together"
Now the other movies where just movies they where not how they got started or the future.

[timrikthegorf]

I think it's safe to say nanny was human. We did see her hands from time to time. They were human hands.

It's really not possible for the muppet babies to fit into the muppet time line. KSY was suppose to be the first time Kermit ever left the swamp. MB implies that Kermit not only left the swamp at a younger age, but he apprently lived in a suburbian setting. We know the MBs lived with Nanny since they apprently slept there. It really doesn't fit at all.

I don't think these things have to fit together in one big time line. That's taking it too seriously. Each project should be judged on it's own merit. If you really want to drive yourselves insane you could complain about TMM and TMS not going together. On TMS Scooter first appeared when he walked into the theater and asked for a job, informing Kermit that his uncle owned the theater. In TMM Scooter met Kermit while working with the Electric Mayhem. The two first meetings aren't anything a like and it really doesn't matter. It's not some big serious on going story. It's a collection of shows that don't have to fit together and were never really meant to fit together.

[Beauregard]

Hear, hear...but it's fun to put them together.

Lets say that MM came first then they made the movie MC, then went to drama school and made MTM, then they were transported back in time and Kermit left Piggy at teh alter, then he became a captin for MTI he and pig got maried and changed their name for MCC....

On second thoughts, let's not...

[Whatever]

On second thoughts, let's not...
Hear, hear!

[McFraggle]

I agree.

[Drtooth]

Personally, I still say the Muppet story began when Little James M. Henson discovered the Medium of Television. and began doing a short local program. He later made a puppet out of a green coat who would become Kermit the Frog.

>>Has anyone seen that new Christmas movie out on DVD? The one that uses the classic disney characters? It's in CGI and looks pretty cool. I'd love a muppet babies show done like this. They could even make the babies look like puppets by adding fur and stuff. I think this new movie shows that Disney likes CGI and will use it<<

I disagree... mainly because Huey, Dewy, and Louie look absolutely horrid! :eek:

[GelflingWaldo]

Has anyone seen that new Christmas movie out on DVD? The one that uses the classic disney characters? It's in CGI and looks pretty cool. I'd love a muppet babies show done like this. They could even make the babies look like puppets by adding fur and stuff. I think this new movie shows that Disney likes CGI and will use itI agree, the style of animation used in this special was great. Some characters did look slightly different but the charm and story was still there and it did look awesome.

It was not about the revolutionary CGI to make it look "real" (yet it did not look cheap or cheezy), it was about keeping true to the classic animation. I am sure the muppet babies would look awesome in this style. :excited:

[GelflingWaldo]

I've always cherished the Muppet Movie, and have thought of it as the true Muppet History. While Muppet Babies are waay far off. Muppet Babies does not fit into the "Muppet TimeLine", but it was not ment to. It was based on the "what if.." dream in Muppets take Manhattan...it is just a fun, entertaining, "what if"...not true Muppet history.

Can You say: LooneyTune Babies?Remember Muppet Babies was the first successful show to take characters and put them togeather as babies/children. Looney Tunes Babies, Flintstone Kids, a Pup Named Scooby-Doo, and so one were all in the wake of Muppet Babies!

[christyb]

Remember Muppet Babies was the first successful show to take characters and put them togeather as babies/children. Looney Tunes Babies, Flintstone Kids, a Pup Named Scooby-Doo, and so one were all in the wake of Muppet Babies!

Your forgetting the ever popular Rugrats (which is a complete copy of MB), Jungle Cubs (based on the characters in The Jungle Book), and ohhh I could go on and on.....

[GelflingWaldo]

Your forgetting the ever popular Rugrats (which is a complete copy of MB), Jungle Cubs (based on the characters in The Jungle Book), and ohhh I could go on and on.....Yeah there were a lot more. Rugrats was slightly different; as the baby version came first followed by a grown up version. But it was still based on the idea of the "baby cartoon", something Muppet Babies reinvented and made popular.

[timrikthegorf]

I think the CGI style will look good if they try to make them look like puppets with texture. If not, it won't really be all that bad. Turning 2d cartoons into CGI seems to be the thing to do now. It's happening to Popeye (spelling?) for a new movie coming out soon. It's really not that bad of a mix. It's the same look only bumpier. We've all seen 2d cartoons in a 3d style when we see action figures. I guess that's why it's not that much of a shock.

[McFraggle]

It grows on you. But the Disney movie characters do look pretty good.

[christyb]

It grows on you. But the Disney movie characters do look pretty good.

CGI might not be such a bad idea if they do it right. Like what Mcfraggle says look at Disney and Pixar. They seem to have the formula down right.

[Bubbadog]

Personally, I still say the Muppet story began when Little James M. Henson discovered the Medium of Television. and began doing a short local program. He later made a puppet out of a green coat who would become Kermit the Frog.

Yes, I agree. The true origins are that in a nutshell.
Otherwise the rest is up to you. Write your own ending....

[timrikthegorf]

Disney is actualy doing Toy Story 3 WITHOUT Pixar. I wonder how that will turn out.

[christyb]

Disney is actualy doing Toy Story 3 WITHOUT Pixar. I wonder how that will turn out.

Ack, awful. After all it's Disney's fault they lost Pixar (ok so I'm a little against Disney.)

[Drtooth]

I think the CGI style will look good if they try to make them look like puppets with texture. If not, it won't really be all that bad. Turning 2d cartoons into CGI seems to be the thing to do now. It's happening to Popeye (spelling?) for a new movie coming out soon. It's really not that bad of a mix. It's the same look only bumpier. We've all seen 2d cartoons in a 3d style when we see action figures. I guess that's why it's not that much of a shock.

The movie is out NOW. It's a direct to video release!

>>Disney is actualy doing Toy Story 3 WITHOUT Pixar. I wonder how that will turn out.<<

I'd like to say what it could be like, but I'd get banned from the site! Absolutely attrocious! I hope Pixar files suit, or requests an injunction to stop this thing from getting made.

[christyb]

Where is it avalible??? I didn't know it was already out.

[timrikthegorf]

Why are some of you against other forms of animation? There are different forms and there is room for all of them.

[timrikthegorf]

The movie is out NOW. It's a direct to video release!

>>Disney is actualy doing Toy Story 3 WITHOUT Pixar. I wonder how that will turn out.<<

I'd like to say what it could be like, but I'd get banned from the site! Absolutely attrocious! I hope Pixar files suit, or requests an injunction to stop this thing from getting made.

Pixar does not own the rights to the characters I think. Disney owns Toy Story 2 and I think that includes the characters in it.

[christyb]

Why are some of you against other forms of animation? There are different forms and there is room for all of them.

Huh?? :confused: Do you mean CG animation or the classic disney style (drawings by hand) actually I'm a big fan of CG. I was saying that I don't think that Disney could do as good of a job on the toy story characters and storyline without pixar behind it. The only type of animation that I don't like is the japense style (I think it's called anime).

[Beauregard]

I'm looking foraward to CG muppet babies

[timrikthegorf]

Huh?? :confused: Do you mean CG animation or the classic disney style (drawings by hand) actually I'm a big fan of CG. I was saying that I don't think that Disney could do as good of a job on the toy story characters and storyline without pixar behind it. The only type of animation that I don't like is the japense style (I think it's called anime).

My post was in response to earlier ones. I didn't know they were from earlier until I posted though. Sorry about that. :sympathy:

[christyb]

that's quite alright.

[McFraggle]

I'm looking foraward to CG muppet babies

I'm kind of looking forward as well. :)

[Gusworld]

Though nothing is certain until a show is actually announced, there are a number of assumptions we can very safely make about a CGI Muppet Babies production:

* No-one will feel any obligation to cast either the classic Muppet performers or the original voice artists from Muppet Babies in the new show. Odds on, they'll get a bunch of professionals who we've never heard of, but who are all based in the one place. Simpler and cheaper that way.
* No-one will feel any obligation to replicate the exact character line-up of the previous show. The target audience for this kind of show will be toddlers and young children who probably won't remember the earlier series. Even if that kind of audience does get accustomed to repeats, they're less fussy than us fan types.
* We shouldn't assume that the central conceit of the previous series -- long excursions into the babies' imaginations -- will be maintained. All that film integration work would make the show more expensive, so it could well have more conventional storylines. (This is more of a speculation than the other two points.)

One of the factors that makes a new MB series likely is that kids who grew up watching the show are now parents themselves. Lots of other 80s cartoon series have experienced a revival, so MB is definitely a possibility. But most parents will have little more than a vague nostalgic memory which might make them more likely to push their own offspring in the direction of the new MB. And as for us obsessives? We'll watch the show regardless of how it changes, so why worry too much about us?

Cheers
Gus

[McFraggle]

* No-one will feel any obligation to replicate the exact character line-up of the previous show. The target audience for this kind of show will be toddlers and young children who probably won't remember the earlier series. Even if that kind of audience does get accustomed to repeats, they're less fussy than us fan types.

I've actually wondered about this as far as how a new line-up would look. I would of course prefer the original group but it wouldn't surprise me if they did change it. I figure Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Piggy, and Animal are all safe bets. As far as the other three spots, who knows? I would love for Rowlf to be on the show, but it wouldn't shock me if he, Scooter, and Skeeter were dropped in favor of some of the new batch. :( Pepe I figure would be a likely replacement.

[GonzoRizo]

I'd love it if it was true. It would be so cool if Rizzo joined the gang as a baby he's one of my favorite Muppets along with Gonzo. I think it would be so quit if they had the whole buddy, buddy thing going on between the two like they do in the Muppet movies/show. Also I'd love it if they expanded on the Skeeter/Gonzo relationship thing I'm probably crazy and am the only one here possibly who believes in that relationship but I think it would be quite if they were to become a couple in the possible series. My username is after my two favorite Muppet characters Gonzo and Rizzo just spelt the rats name wrong dang it.

[MeepEeep]

They redid Care Bears in CGI. So it's not a surprise, they'd try to update Muppet Babies in the same way.

I mean, who knows...it could be better. :confused:

[DanDanStrawberry]

I quite like the idea of a CGI show. It shows Disney has plans!!

[zanimum]

They redid Care Bears in CGI. So it's not a surprise, they'd try to update Muppet Babies in the same way.

The Care Bears look fantastic CGI, and move fairly naturally too.

[Cantus Rock]

CG Muppet Babies?! Good lord...

I am all for a new endeavor involving the integration of CG and puppetry, but why bring the Muppet Babies into it? Playing off name recongition? Come on people...

If this were to be an entirely new project, fine, I'd be interested. But to rehash the Muppet Babies in this form seems utterly ridiculous. Perfectly in line with the downward spiral Muppet productions have been taking.

I think this is a perfect example of a time to ask yourself WJDT?: Would Jim Do This? I have to think absolutely not. I'm praying that this becomes little more than an MC rumor. :attitude:

[Drtooth]

Well, unless they use the Waldo technology, and make this a puppet/CGI blend, I wouldn't mind too much... but since you seem concerned this is no more than a rumor that's all bark and no substance. Nothing came out of it either way, so this probably will not happen at least anytime soon...

BTW, these plans have been around even before the Disney deal, and other than the oz movie, no other pre-Disney deal has hit yet....

[ReneeLouvier]

I've actually wondered about this as far as how a new line-up would look. I would of course prefer the original group but it wouldn't surprise me if they did change it. I figure Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Piggy, and Animal are all safe bets. As far as the other three spots, who knows? I would love for Rowlf to be on the show, but it wouldn't shock me if he, Scooter, and Skeeter were dropped in favor of some of the new batch. :( Pepe I figure would be a likely replacement.
That honestly SCARES me. I like Pepe okay, but oh...oh, gosh. To replace Scooter and Skeeter...with...PEPE!?!?!? That's almost as bad as if we took the level of Care Bear's CGI and made Muppet Babies exactly the same way. I watched that Care Bear's CGI hour-movie thing...

I had to stop watching after 20 mins. I couldn't stomach anymore of the outlandishly pre-schooler humor, and the horrible CGI animation.

--- Has anyone also noticed how pre-schooler's TV has changed, with the advent of Blue's Clues and Dora the Explorer ?? WAY too much repetation. Not enough morals.

[Animals Mom]

You can't just go around replacing muppet babies! I admit the Scooter and Skeeter were not my favourites, but it wouldn't be the same without those guys!

[McFraggle]

I agree, but it wouldn't shock me to see it happen.

[Kimp the Shrimp]

So babies got to go

[HPDJ]

I back the idea for a CGI show!

[jamminjake]

Well, unless they use the Waldo technology, and make this a puppet/CGI blend, I wouldn't mind too much... but since you seem concerned this is no more than a rumor that's all bark and no substance. Nothing came out of it either way, so this probably will not happen at least anytime soon...

BTW, these plans have been around even before the Disney deal, and other than the oz movie, no other pre-Disney deal has hit yet....

You can expect it to look something like that in The Book of Pooh. They used puppets, but also CG.

[Drtooth]

That honestly SCARES me. I like Pepe okay, but oh...oh, gosh. To replace Scooter and Skeeter...with...PEPE!?!?!? That's almost as bad as if we took the level of Care Bear's CGI and made Muppet Babies exactly the same way. I watched that Care Bear's CGI hour-movie thing...

I had to stop watching after 20 mins. I couldn't stomach anymore of the outlandishly pre-schooler humor, and the horrible CGI animation.


But then, of course... Muppet Babies was a wonderful, imaginative kid's cartoon, whereas Care Bears were just the creation of some greating card company to make a thrown together show so they could sell Care Bear Merchandise..... 80's animation, man... gotta love it.

Personally, IF this project were ever to take shape, I'd hope they could get back most of the writers. I mean, I know Jefferey Scott is still around... just hope Dragon Tales doesn't influence this that much.

The only real advantage I see to a new MB series is the oppertunity to make baby versions of Muppets they didn't use the first time around (wouldn't mind Skeeter being replaced by baby Janice). I mean, there was a good gag in their with a Baby Dr,Teeth having only one tooth where his gold tooth now is.

[Beauregard]

Um.....Skeeter must stay. But that Tooth gag is hilarious! He could have a phobia of loosing it!

[maxdrive]

The whole thing with pepe i see like they did with robin maybe have him guest star in a epp but have to be in bowl since how small he would be.

[Beauregard]

So, any news boys?

Baby Newsman: "This just in, oops...er, where was I?"
Baby Beau: "In the nursery..."
Baby Janice: "Like you take things too lit-rully..."
Baby Beau: "But I didn't take anything!"
Baby Lew: "Look, I'm Lew Geemand with by fably flying ants..."

*cough*

Excuse them...

[Fozzie Bear]

The only real advantage I see to a new MB series is the oppertunity to make baby versions of Muppets they didn't use the first time around (wouldn't mind Skeeter being replaced by baby Janice). I mean, there was a good gag in their with a Baby Dr,Teeth having only one tooth where his gold tooth now is.

Actually, the EM Band members might be more like teens or preteens (or older even) as, on TMS, Zoot's supposed to be in his 50's I once read. Somewhere. In the Muppet Morsels maybe?

[Kimp the Shrimp]

yeah skeeter was a werid add-in every one else had a foam counterpart but she never did but who would we replace her with Female-wise

[Beauregard]

yeah skeeter was a werid add-in every one else had a foam counterpart but she never did but who would we replace her with Female-wise
Replace Skeeter? What sacrelage is this!!!

[Kimp the Shrimp]

Skeeter is cool but she is not a Muppet

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

Skeeter is cool but she is not a Muppet

no, no... i STILL think shes counted as a "Muppet" not a Muppet Puppet but a "Cartoon Muppet" :)

[Beauregard]

Hear Hear!!!

[tinweirdo]

Does anybody remember Cartoon All-stars to the rescue with the muppet babies in it. I love that video, would anybody like the lyrics to the 2 songs they sung? Email me at johnsona@carnegielibrary.org!

[erniebert1234ss]

YES! I remember that! Wish they'd put it on DVD. For the time being, however, WE CAN PLAY PIRATES and transfer the VHS copy to DVD, just like everything that's not been on DVD yet (or at the very least gotten a proper release). We can even use the commercial VHS-to-DVD transfer hardware!!!

BJ

[anythingmuppet]

Aw, I remember that! That was a cute little anti-drug special! I wish it would come out on DVD sometime soon as I cant find downloads of it anywhere..:(

[erniebert1234ss]

Well, if we can digitize the VHS version for the masses, that will change!

BJ

[Beauregard]

Has there been any recent news on this? I know I would pay to see cute little computer animated Muppet Babies. Really, this would suit the Mupepts at present. THeir personalities have become slightly exagerated as they always were in Muppet Babies, so they should be able to slot back into this quite well until they get their heads around the more sophisticated MuppetShow character-characters.

[ReneeLouvier]

I agree, it's nice and simplistic. That would work really well for them.

[Beauregard]

*detects a hint of sarcasm*

Well, it is true though.

[heralde]

Does anybody remember Cartoon All-stars to the rescue with the muppet babies in it. I love that video, would anybody like the lyrics to the 2 songs they sung? Email me at johnsona@carnegielibrary.org!

I remember that! They showed us it in school, back in the '80s when there were so much Anti-Drug publicity. Even then I was amazed at how they put so many varied cartoon characters together and make it work so well. There were Kermit, Piggy and Gonzo, Michaelangelo (from TMNT, totally tubular dude!), Alvin and the Chimpmunks, Winnie the Pooh, and Alf just to name a few.

"There a million zillion different wonderful ways to say NO!"

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

I remember that! They showed us it in school, back in the '80s when there were so much Anti-Drug publicity. Even then I was amazed at how they put so many varied cartoon characters together and make it work so well. There were Kermit, Piggy and Gonzo, Michaelangelo (from TMNT, totally tubular dude!), Alvin and the Chimpmunks, Winnie the Pooh, and Alf just to name a few.

"There a million zillion different wonderful ways to say NO!"


yeah i LOVE it too! the libirary use to have it but it NEVER got returend, but I bought it off of ebay here a few years ago!
LOVE IT!!! :) Did you know Disney animated it and produced it (with permishion from Henson, WB and others) :smirk: it also says Roy Disney was a producer on it!

[Beauregard]

Any news on this show? Huh? Rumored CGI Show? Huh?

Still waiting eagerly for word of it!

[McFraggle]

I haven't heard anything lately either. :D

[erniebert1234ss]

hmm..scary..

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

I'd like to see GCI Muppet Babies! :D No dought Pepe would now be in the show as a baby!

btw, I tought the old "MUppet Babies" show was gonna be on Disney Channel's Playhouse Disney block...soon!?! :confused:

I'd pay to see it on there! :)

[maxdrive]

i dont see pepe as a remgular but maybe like how robin was because he probly have to be in a bowl.

[Fozzie Bear]

I wouldn't want to see any more Muppets in there that wasn't in the original cartoon, but I definitely could see them sticking more to the MTM Piggy Fantasy as to how they all were when they were babies and it just be those few.

Then again, why CGI? Why not puppets??

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

I wouldn't want to see any more Muppets in there that wasn't in the original cartoon, but I definitely could see them sticking more to the MTM Piggy Fantasy as to how they all were when they were babies and it just be those few.

Then again, why CGI? Why not puppets??

didnt Jim say they wanted puppets but it would be to hard to do?

...again, i could be wrong :zany:

[ReneeLouvier]

Somewhere Jim had mentioned that the baby puppets were so small and chunky it was hard to control them, and it ended up hurting them after a while. He didn't really like them as puppets, so that might be why he did a cartoon instead of puppetry.

I heard/read it somewhere, but for the life of me I forgot where...

[Fozzie Bear]

Well, that makes sense to me. Small puppets are cumbersome. I was just considering green screen technology for when they begin to imagine, if that'll be the same case in the CGI show as opposed to the cartoon.

[Beauregard]

Greenscreen like say...that puppet Winnie the Pooh movie? Book of Pooh? That would be seriously nice.

[heralde]

yeah i LOVE it too! the libirary use to have it but it NEVER got returend, but I bought it off of ebay here a few years ago!
LOVE IT!!! :) Did you know Disney animated it and produced it (with permishion from Henson, WB and others) :smirk: it also says Roy Disney was a producer on it!

Wow, I didn't realize how much Disney had to do with the special. Nice that all these companies managed to get together for a good cause (probably doesn't happen often!)

[Fozzie Bear]

Greenscreen like say...that puppet Winnie the Pooh movie? Book of Pooh? That would be seriously nice.

That's what I was thinking about.

[maxdrive]

I dont know if puppets would be the best way to go. since the cartoon had the babies with so much movement stuff you could not do with a puppet.

[erniebert1234ss]

yeah, y'all are right, that puppets aren't the way to go. A CGI cartoon, maybe, but no puppets, because whenever Gonzo fell on his nose (BONK!) it was either on- or off-screen because it was for the gag to take full effect.

BJ

[Fozzie Bear]

You can do anything with a puppet on greenscreen for sure. Ever seen that Book of Pooh show Beau mentioned? It's pretty cool what they can do with puppets, greenscreen, AND CGI.

[paganpoet]

Hi there, sorry, i have only just heard about this...is it still going to happen? I used to love Muppet Babies, and a CGI version would be great! I want to see nanny's stockings in 3D!

[Beauregard]

That sounds rather....wrong...

[crazed gonzo fa]

To quote Hulk from a Toyfare mag-"Evil of CGI ruined every film it overused in!!!"

[muppetsforlife]

I have very mixed feelings about this. If its a muppet babies show in CGI it would be alright, but they better never make the real muppets in CGI, that defeats the whole purpose of what the muppets are.

[Teheheman]

Didn't they make a webtoon of the Muppets at one time? I could be wrong but I could swear that it did. I kind of agree that CGI has been overused, I mean, it's great at first, but when every animated film is computer animated. The novelty kinda wears off. Kinda like Will Ferrell or Lindsey Lohan(Sure, she's young and hot, but she's really not that good of an actress)

Daniel

[muppetsforlife]

I like CGI alright. It has its place. Just certain things, they shouldn't even go there and the muppets are one of them. The magic of the muppets is that they are puppets and they seem to kind of come to life. CGI would ruin that.

[JJandJanice]

Ever since Toy Story became a huge deal, there is a total CGI overload, it's crazy.

I don't think I would like a CGI verison of the Muppet Babies, I just don't think it would work.