Some people are so closed minded

[Don_Music_2004]

Something I just don't understand about my mother. She's been nagging me about watching Fraggle Rock lately. She tells me it's not normal for a guy in his 20's to be into a little kid's show. She thinks I need psyciatric help. Something she fails to realize is the magic of Fraggle Rock and how deep that show really is. It may be a kid's show, but I think adults can understand it better, cause the messages that show sends out are so powerful. Some of those episodes were very deep and emotional. I will name a few:

The Minstrels
The River of Life
Gone But Not Forgotten
Change of Address
Wembley's Wonderful Whoopie Water

She just doesn't understand the prominent messages sent out from this show's episodes, she has it labeled as a simple little "baby" show. Now how can it be a "baby" show, when a baby wouldn't even understand the serious messages that are being sent out. I just don't get it. Has anyone else ever had these problems with Fraggle Rock?

[JaniceFerSure]

I haven't personally had problems with the Fraggle Rock situation,like you have but I can relate.If I may be brief. You see,I've watched Muppety mediums(Sesame Street,The Muppet Show) since the early 70s(I still watch Sesame Street).As you can tell by my age,I'm no youngster,lol.I used to watch The Muppet Show & my dad used to say,"There she goes,watching those talking hands again." I watched it anyway,always ignoring him.I've seen basically every Henson creation,not ashamed of if. The way I look at it is point blank,I'm a kid at heart.I've never seen,ever seen anything Muppety(especially The Muppet Show,Fraggle Rock,The Jim Henson Hour,Muppets Tonight,Faffner Hall,etc...) as children's shows(maybe only Sesame Street is). The medium may be 'childish' to our parents,because that is how they understood it when they were young(they were growing up on Howdy Doody & Kukla,Fran & Ollie). Continue to watch Fraggle Rock & be proud! At least you recognize the message,lesson,value,etc... and overall beauty of the show. One thing I can suggest is to let you mom watch Fraggle Rock with you.Describe the Fraggle Universe to her.Tell her why the show makes you feel the way it does.Tell her what you learn from it.Please tell her also,that Fraggle Rock is a human metaphor;teaching about how difference shouldn't matter,that we all need to get along to survive(no matter on your looks,size,smarts,etc...)Good luck. Great to see your a Fraggle Fan!:excited: :smirk:

[Sylinde Bren]

Though not nearly as bad, my family and friends share the same outlook on Fraggle Rock as being a kid's show and can't understand why I still watch the Muppets even now that I'm in my early twenties. I'm often told, quite plainly, to 'grow up'. But I never will. I love the Muppets, from Fraggle Rock to The Storyteller and beyond.

Most people just don't understand the magick of the Muppets. They're blind to it. Instead, they see only what's in front of their face - talking puppets singing and dancing, and to them that's just silly and childish - and silly and childish things should be put away at a certain age, in their mind. It's really not their fault. It just means we're younger at heart.

Don't stop watching Fraggle Rock. Follow your heart for it always know the right way.

[Muppetsdownunder]

It annoys me how many people, (non muppet fans) think The muppets are for kids, anyone who knows even a minor bit about the muppets should know that The Muppet Show was more intended for an adult or family audience. You only have to watch a few episodes of the muppet show to see this for yourself. Even Sesame Street which is made for kids is still entertaining to adults and thats the magic of it. there is no age limit when it comes to the muppets!

[Danny Horn]

Andy, you do need psychiatric help. Not because you're a Fraggle fan, but because you have trouble dealing with your anger. You've sent me at least two death threats so far, and I know other people that you've threatened too. I hope your mom succeeds in getting you the help that you need, before you hurt somebody.

There's no shame in seeing a psychiatrist. I think that would be a big help for you.

-- Danny

[McFraggle]

It annoys me how many people, (non muppet fans) think The muppets are for kids, anyone who knows even a minor bit about the muppets should know that The Muppet Show was more intended for an adult or family audience. You only have to watch a few episodes of the muppet show to see this for yourself. Even Sesame Street which is made for kids is still entertaining to adults and thats the magic of it. there is no age limit when it comes to the muppets!

I completely agree Muppetsdownunder. :)

[Luke]

There's no shame in seeing a psychiatrist. I think that would be a big help for you.

-- Danny

So did your mom tell you that too then? :o

[McFraggle]

So did your mom tell you that too then? :o

:) LOL!

[Buck-Beaver]

:rolleyes:

[BEAKER128]

Luke, what the h.e.l.l. does that mean?

[Luke]

Hard to get into really without bringing another websites problems over here. Let's just say sometimes the person giving advice is sometimes just as much in need of it themselves ...

Still, sending death threats is lame and dumb. Never got any myself but i do find that a kill file is very useful when it comes to recieving annoying emails.

[Muppetsdownunder]

Andy, you do need psychiatric help. Not because you're a Fraggle fan, but because you have trouble dealing with your anger. You've sent me at least two death threats so far, and I know other people that you've threatened too. I hope your mom succeeds in getting you the help that you need, before you hurt somebody.

There's no shame in seeing a psychiatrist. I think that would be a big help for you.

-- Danny
That doesnt sound too friendly if taken the wrong way.
I guess we all could use some phsyciatric help sometimes though!

[BEAKER128]

Oh, I know all about the other's website's problems, Luke, and I think maybe you should look in the mirror when discussing who else might need psychiatric help. Because you do realize that it now seems like you're sticking up for a sociopath who sends death threats and harasses people. Regardless of any petty squabbles you have with Danny, shame on you for dragging them into this discussion, where Andy is clearly the villain. He's a troubled kid who lashes out (disturbingly) at those who don't find his bigotry and offensive remarks acceptable. Do *you* find them acceptable, Luke?

[Muppetsdownunder]

This is a funny thread, its like the Jerry Springer Show!

[BEAKER128]

Except we have a mastery of the English language, which is rare for the Springer Show. And for much of MC, actually. :halo:

[Muppetsdownunder]

Except we have a mastery of the English language, which is rare for the Springer Show. And for much of MC, actually. :halo:Well most of us can type which is more than most people on that show could do.

[Luke]

Because you do realize that it now seems like you're sticking up for a sociopath who sends death threats and harasses people. Regardless of any petty squabbles you have with Danny, shame on you for dragging them into this discussion, where Andy is clearly the villain.

I speak for myself thanks, not sticking up for anyone. It was a bit of a cheap shot Danny left himself open to but then i'm sure he's taken enough at me in his time. That aside, is there ANY proof or even hard evidence this actually is Andy? If there is then cool, of course i don't support that kinda thing and that person shouldn't be here but alternatively if Danny just came over and may have taken a shot at some innocent person who started an ok thread which isn't harming anyone then he isn't exactly the victim here.

[AndyWan Kenobi]

That doesnt sound too friendly if taken the wrong way.
I guess we all could use some phsyciatric help sometimes though!

:) : "some with honors, some with the help of daily psychological counseling..."

:halo:

Anyway, back on topic, never be ashamed of liking what you like. It's always too bad when other people have to rain on your parade for enjoying something wholeheartedly... I wish more people were secure enough to embrace what they love without worrying about being judged for it--seems like we've all learned that lesson here. :)

[Phillip Chapman]

The identity of "Don_Music_2004" has been looked into and appropriate action has be taken.

We don't need this to turn into a back and forth situation. There are great people at Tough Pigs, just like there are great people at Muppet Central. Unfortunately, there are some visitors at both sites who for whatever the reason get their kicks from rocking the boat. This isn't a MC/TP debate, it's about the safety and well-being of the members of both sites. That is what is important here. If this discussion continues to turn into attacks toward others, then it will be closed.

If anyone does receive harassing e-mail either through Tough Pigs or Muppet Central, let Danny or myself know. We can't take care of a situation if we don't know about it.

[McFraggle]

Well said Phillip.

By the way, did you get my e-mail about starting up a new game.

[Phillip Chapman]

Yes, I received yours and those from others as well. I will write back concerning the games as soon as possible.

[McFraggle]

Thanks again Phillip for giving us a wonderful forum to come on. :)

[Danny Horn]

Thank you, Phil. I really appreciate the way that you handled this. You responded immediately to the problem, and took care of it right away.

I want to echo what Phil said about how to deal with harassing e-mail. If anybody gets anything like that from somebody at Tough Pigs, I'd like to know about it immediately, so I can make it stop.

Both Tough Pigs and Muppet Central are here for people to relax, and to connect with their friends. It makes me sad that there are a few people who try to use our boards to prey on others.

Andy really is a scary, menacing guy, who is desperately in need of help. He's sent serious threats to a number of people over the last couple years. I don't want to scare people, because I don't think he actually has the courage to do any physical harm. But he's not the kind of person that we'd want to have around. If anybody finds out that Andy (aka Don_Music_2004) has come back under a new screen name, please let either Phil or me know, so he can be removed.

Thanks again, Phil.

[AndyWan Kenobi]

If anybody finds out that Andy (aka Don_Music_2004) has come back under a new screen name, please let either Phil or me know, so he can be removed.

Thanks again, Phil.

On behalf of all non-scary Andys, I'd like to thank you for being specific there.

:)

[McFraggle]

On behalf of all non-scary Andys, I'd like to thank you for being specific there.

:)

:smirk: LOL!

[Gonzo]

On behalf of all non-scary Andys, I'd like to thank you for being specific there.

:)

My brother-in-law's name is Andy. He's kinda weird. But yes. Don't let one Andy spoil the whole bunch. Buncha Andys. Bunchandys. Bunchdys.

[Chilly Down]

We don't need this to turn into a back and forth situation. There are great people at Tough Pigs, just like there are great people at Muppet Central. Unfortunately, there are some visitors at both sites who for whatever the reason get their kicks from rocking the boat. This isn't a MC/TP debate, it's about the safety and well-being of the members of both sites.

Hear, hear! :)

[ryhoyarbie]

Something I just don't understand about my mother. She's been nagging me about watching Fraggle Rock lately. She tells me it's not normal for a guy in his 20's to be into a little kid's show. She thinks I need psyciatric help. Something she fails to realize is the magic of Fraggle Rock and how deep that show really is. It may be a kid's show.

She does realize that there's people in there 30's and 40's that still watch cartoons too?! And they're not watching it with their children either!

Fraggle Rock is a just a show. I still like watching the Muppets and i'm 22. But my parents don't care. There's worse things you can be watching than fraggle Rock, like reality t.v. or a Britney Spears music video.....

ryan

[Luke]

There's worse things you can be watching than fraggle Rock, like reality t.v. or a Britney Spears music video.....

Now that would be just scary .... :smirk:

I would have thought the ol' Muppets are for kids argument would have been mooted somewhat by the nostalgia/cult television revival but shows what i know, as is apparent from this thread.

[ryhoyarbie]

That's probably why I like to watch the Muppets and other interesting television shows because you just can't get that type of quality now a days. There maybe a few shows here and there that are great like Frasier or 24, but a lot of today's are not that interesting....Heck I still like to watch old cartoon shows like the Real Ghostbusters because it's still a great cartoon. Nothing wrong with some harmless entertainment!

ryan

[Ernie101]

I was about to make a thread like this but with SS.. but I found this..
SS does have some babyish things.. but if we look past it..

and Phillip, I have a theory I would like to share with you.. I will be emailing you.

[baby sinclair]

Well dude it is kinda of weird for a 30 year old man to been into a puppet show. Its ok to watch, but its time to find other things in life to get wrapped into. But I could care less what you do. Make it your world.

[beaker]

sadly, even tho there is that 'college kid cool' factor, anything JH related is seen as baby stuff(even dark crystal or labyrinth) to most people...and yeah, that Disney thing aint gonna help either.

Its too bad when people lose their sense of imagination or wodner...those are the people that need psychiatric help.

[Brian Damage]

I know that I never really want to go through that process commonly known as "Growing up". It's not what it sounds like...

[Zondra]

I think it's ridiculous for someone to look down on someone else for something they like, especially on that level. I get a lot of ridicule from my friends (mostly just jokingly, though) for liking the Muppets because I'm usually very outward with it. Why should it matter?
In the same respect, I think it's equally "immature" for someone to like video games. I just don't understand why Muppet fans get made fun of more.
There's no reason for any of that.

[scarylarrywolf]

Exactly! Video games and sports are no more "immature" than puppets. They are all some of the first things that grab children's attention, and somehow puppets don't ordinarily continue to carry that attention throughout a person's life. :smirk:

[Muppetsdownunder]

Exactly, except video games and sports don't take as much skill than puppetry!

[Fozzie Bear]

Has she ever sat down to actually watch a few of them? My mom did in the 80's so she understands.

[wembleyfraggle]

Well dude it is kinda of weird for a 30 year old man to been into a puppet show. Its ok to watch, but its time to find other things in life to get wrapped into. But I could care less what you do. Make it your world.

You know what, im 22 and love the Muppets, your only 15, wait tell your over 25 and see if you just decide to stop liking something because your older! Its not going to happen! Name me one of the Muppet Puppetiers who are younger than 30? Also the muppets have meen around for 0ver 25 years so if your 30 it only gives you more of an excuse to like them because they have been with you your whole life! The Muppet Show wasn't a kids show, it was aimed for older people! What kid whould know who Peter Sellers is, or Rackelle Welch, Paul Simon, Danny Kaye, Linda Ronstant?
Ty

[baby sinclair]

OK, you've got me there i never said there anything wrong with liking muppets. Its weird when some people are adults and become too wrapped up into a puppet show.It seems like their life is just big cartoon and everythings made out of marshmellows. :sleep:

[Fozzie Bear]

You're kidding, right?

I'm 32 in August and I've never let go of the things I love, and my friends love me all the more for that. I'm still very real, attend my job, pay my rent and my electricity, but I have fun with all these things--much more fun than spending money on something stupid like cigarettes or drugs/alcohol, or partying at clubs. I don't surround my every waking moment with these things (Muppets, Fraggles, Peanuts, Blues Brothers, Ghostbusters, etc.) but they are a big part of it because of what I collect. They make me happy. There is nothing wrong with being an adult and holding on to something that makes you happy! It's a real happiness, not one fake happiness created by drugs or alcohol that a lot of people get sucked into. Nothing about real life is a cartoon but it's good to have something fun and happy to escape reality, but I do like marshmallows...roasted.

[wembleyfraggle]

OK, you've got me there i never said there anything wrong with liking muppets. Its weird when some people are adults and become too wrapped up into a puppet show.It seems like their life is just big cartoon and everythings made out of marshmellows. :sleep:

If some adult think of their lives are a big Cartoon and made of Marshmellows, I say, "Good for you, for taking life as it comes, for not dwelling on all the bad things of the world, for finding something decent and pure and holding on to it" just wait tell your older, have a job, and moved out of you parents house and have alot of responsabilities, bucase you will then reolize you can never be to old for something and sometimes you will want to have those "childish things" to help you escape from the hard frustrating life of the "real" world! Let me tell you, the real world sucks most of the time, when your young all you want to do is get older, get a job and make a life of your own. But when you finnaly get their you wish you could be home watching tv all day and have your perants pay for everything again! Just Wait! You'll see what I mean!
ty

[AndyWan Kenobi]

You're kidding, right?

I'm 32 in August and I've never let go of the things I love, and my friends love me all the more for that. I'm still very real, attend my job, pay my rent and my electricity, but I have fun with all these things--much more fun than spending money on something stupid like cigarettes or drugs/alcohol, or partying at clubs. I don't surround my every waking moment with these things (Muppets, Fraggles, Peanuts, Blues Brothers, Ghostbusters, etc.) but they are a big part of it because of what I collect. They make me happy. There is nothing wrong with being an adult and holding on to something that makes you happy! It's a real happiness, not one fake happiness created by drugs or alcohol that a lot of people get sucked into. Nothing about real life is a cartoon but it's good to have something fun and happy to escape reality, but I do like marshmallows...roasted.

Right on, brother! Well said!!

[Zondra]

Right on, brother! Well said!!
I couldn't have phrased it better myself. :excited:

[McFraggle]

I couldn't have phrased it better myself. :excited:

Nor could I. :D

[AndyWan Kenobi]

Nor could I. :D

Me neither. Oh, wait... ;)

[Drtooth]

Exactly! Video games and sports are no more "immature" than puppets.

Expanding on that, I don't see how it's any more immature than Jerry Springer, Reality TV, and all that other crap people love to watch.


>>Its too bad when people lose their sense of imagination or wodner...those are the people that need psychiatric help.<<

That's pretty much 90% of society.

[Convincing John]

There is nothing wrong with being an adult and holding on to something that makes you happy! It's a real happiness, not one fake happiness created by drugs or alcohol that a lot of people get sucked into.

(Stands up and applauds)

I betcha Jim Henson's applauding you too.

I've seen it around me all the time...people spending money on (like you said) stupid things like cigarettes, drugs and alcohol.

I grew up being made fun of at school because I (GASP!) never drank smoked or did any drugs. (I still don't and never will). And I was made fun of even more by choosing to spend my time and money on Henson (and other collectible) stuff than on alcohol, etc.

I can see why with the "Reign of Elmo" that people would think "Henson's only for kids". During the Muppet Show days people didn't think so, but then came the Muppet Babies days...and the "just for kids" opinion returned. Soon after (or during) things like The Soryteller and other complex Henson projects surfaced and some thought "Well...he made Sesame Street but look at this...Greek Myths...hmmm..."

Now with Palisades helping us out and with Fraggles being among the other memorable characters of adults' childhoods (such as Popeye and Star Wars), the public view goes to "Hey, yeah, I remember that show! That was a cool show! Yeah, Swedish Chef!"

So, what is the public's view of Henson? It's wembling. It wembles back and forth and has for years because Jim Henson made stuff for very young kids, older kids, adults...all ages. It just depends on which characters are in the spotlight and what's new. The public can switch on their TV and see Elmo's World, and then go to their local mall and see classic Muppet Show character figures displayed for sale, or even pick up a copy of "Designs and Doodles".

Jim Henson fascinates me, and always will...always. No matter what anyone says. Yeah, you might feel like the only Muppet fan out there sometimes, but that's what Muppet Central's for!:D

Convincing John

[McFraggle]

(Stands up and applauds)

I betcha Jim Henson's applauding you too.

I've seen it around me all the time...people spending money on (like you said) stupid things like cigarettes, drugs and alcohol.

I grew up being made fun of at school because I (GASP!) never drank smoked or did any drugs. (I still don't and never will). And I was made fun of even more by choosing to spend my time and money on Henson (and other collectible) stuff than on alcohol, etc.

I was never a drinker or smoker either. I never understood why society sees that as a normal part of growing up. I think it comes from the media as much as anything. I would rather be entertained by the Muppets and other similar things than waste my life, time, and money on things that don't benefit me at all. Laughter, as well as faith and other good things, cures most ills, not those other things.