View Full Version : How is a Fraggle born? Where do Fraggles come from?
WemblinKate
07-31-2002, 12:44 PM
This came up through another thread and I really would like to see what you Fraggle Fans have come up with. I don't think there was ever an official explanation but at the old forum we came up with something on our own. It's basically up to us, our own personal ideas of how it goes and I wanted to see what you all think.
What we decided the last time we had this conversation at the old forum was that Fraggles have a much different, um, maturity growth than us humans. While we spend most of our lives as adults, they spend most of theirs as children. It's not until the end of their "cycle" (this has been referred to in many an episode) that their mature and reproduce. Of course, that's only what a group of us came up with, I want to hear what you guys always thought if you ever did.
Salmoto
08-01-2002, 02:15 PM
I always though the main group of fraggles to be kids. I mean, how could they not be? There's the one who likes exploring, the one who likes playing sports, the one who likes creating art, the one who keeps to himself, and the one who's just off the wall weird. But even though they were kids, they did have some adult sensibility, they lived on their own and they took care of themselves. Of course it's not hard to find a radish or a gorg building when you're hungry, and you can always convince your rather introverted friend to wash your clothes for you.
beaker
08-02-2002, 06:51 PM
>>>I always though the main group of fraggles to be kids. I mean, how could they not be? There's the one who likes exploring, the one who likes playing sports, the one who likes creating art, the one who keeps to himself, and the one who's just off the wall weird. But even though they were kids, they did have some adult sensibility, they lived on their own and they took care of themselves<<<
Hey, Im 24 and am still a big kid. But yeah, I think the fr gang was somewhere in their middle teens
How is a Fraggle Born?
Well, when two Fraggles love each other very much, they.........Sorry, just had to do it ;) :p
But seriously, Many Muppets (TMS, FR ,SS) have been written as "Phsycological" ages. In other words, the Muppet may not have an actual age, but he/she acts a certain age (Ernie, Bert, Cookie, Miss Piggy, Grover, Fozzie, Oscar, Gonzo, etc) . It's also important to note that some characters never grow up, such as Big Bird (Who has been six 1/2 for about 20 years) and Elmo and Zoe.
Cantus Rock
08-15-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Scooter
How is a Fraggle Born?
Well, when two Fraggles love each other very much, they.........Sorry, just had to do it ;) :p
But seriously, Many Muppets (TMS, FR ,SS) have been written as "Phsycological" ages. In other words, the Muppet may not have an actual age, but he/she acts a certain age (Ernie, Bert, Cookie, Miss Piggy, Grover, Fozzie, Oscar, Gonzo, etc) . It's also important to note that some characters never grow up, such as Big Bird (Who has been six 1/2 for about 20 years) and Elmo and Zoe.
Right Right. This is why the World's Oldest Fraggle was one of, if not the only, old Fraggle to appear on the show. None of the others ever aged, so he reigned supreme as the only oldie! :)
-Matt
WemblinKate
08-26-2002, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Scooter
How is a Fraggle Born?
Well, when two Fraggles love each other very much, they.........Sorry, just had to do it ;) :p
I was waiting for someone to say that. hehehe.
No, thanks you guys, I'm just really interested what other people have to say on this subject because we should look at this show as these characters, if they were real, how would they life cycle be? Because we are all a part of life, we're born and we die. I don't think the fraggles came from no where, that they Gobo and Mokey and Wembley and Red and Boober have been alive through the whole existance of the universe and that they just never die. In the literal sense, of course. And since this topic was never discussed with anyone that worked on fraggle rock, it's all up for us to discuss and fight and bicker all we want! Whoopie! Anyways, thanks for sharing you're thoughts and opinons.
Wemblin' Kate
I think someone like Jerry Nelson wrote an article for something one time and explained the whole shebang of Fraggle evolution. I can't remember anything more about it - i think Smig or Chris/Gobo might know about it.
Bill Bubble Guy
02-03-2008, 02:06 AM
I just assume Fraggles come from Jim Henson's Creature shop.
They are brought to birth by their creators from Muppet-building materials. :p
Fragglemuppet
02-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Well, about that...
The way I think of muppets VS. puppets is that while the puppets are material things that are not alive, can be handled, put in drawers or hung in warehouses, the muppets are spiritual beings that have lives of their own.
Some people on the old Fraggle Rocker forum decided that fraggles are hatched from eggs, based on the moment when the storyteller was beginning to tell of the Life and Times of Fidora Fraggle. She was interrupted, but she started to say that Fidora Fraggle was hatched. This is in episode 8.
Hehe, Marty, isn't bumping old threads fun? Woopy!
:excited:
Bill Bubble Guy
02-03-2008, 11:32 PM
Hehe, Marty, isn't bumping old threads fun? Woopy!
:excited:
Yes it sure is Kate. Hooray. Two of Red's good friends are also excited about it and they're here also.:smirk: :coy: They don't want to miss all the fun we're having.
wwfpooh
05-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Some people on the old Fraggle Rocker forum decided that fraggles are hatched from eggs, based on the moment when the storyteller was beginning to tell of the Life and Times of Fidora Fraggle.But given scientific terms, aren't we ALL "hatched from eggs"? :D
Therefore, there's no concrete answer to where the Fraggles come from...they just ARE! :)
bazooka_beak
05-13-2008, 10:56 PM
Baby Fraggles come from the Radish patch, of course! ;) Wait, sorry, my bad. They didn't even know about radishes until Uncle Matt found them :P
I always assumed the "fab 5" were in their mid to late teens. If they were kids then I don't think they'd go off and live alone in "apartments" and travel alone and such... but then, maybe it's different with Fraggles :)
wwfpooh
05-13-2008, 10:59 PM
Baby Fraggles come from the Radish patch, of course! ;) Wait, sorry, my bad. They didn't even know about radishes until Uncle Matt found them :P
I always assumed the "fab 5" were in their mid to late teens. If they were kids then I don't think they'd go off and live alone in "apartments" and travel alone and such... but then, maybe it's different with Fraggles :)Yeah, it could be different, given that some animals in real life are abandoned by their caregivers as soon as they're about to move about!
Redsonga
05-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Yeah, it could be different, given that some animals in real life are abandoned by their caregivers as soon as they're about to move about!
Fraggles seem too loving to be those sort of animals :)
wwfpooh
05-14-2008, 10:29 PM
Fraggles seem too loving to be those sort of animals :)Well, recall that I never said family moved too far away & besides, they're surrounded by friends of their own kind and friends within our human world & within the Gorg's garden! The Fraggles have it made in life! ^_^ *wishes he could be a Fraggle*
RedPiggy
05-15-2008, 08:39 AM
Fraggles seem too loving to be those sort of animals :)
We see a parent/child in the opening sequence, and there may have been one or two here and there in episodes ... don't remember.
I wouldn't say they're abandoned as soon as they can walk. Gobo obviously hung out with Matt growing up. I would suspect that after a Fraggle is weaned, they are paired with another relative or friend (if Wembley is the youngest, that may be why he moves in with Gobo), and only when they reach "maturity" can they successfully live on their own.
wwfpooh
05-15-2008, 11:10 AM
We see a parent/child in the opening sequence, and there may have been one or two here and there in episodes ... don't remember.
I wouldn't say they're abandoned as soon as they can walk. Gobo obviously hung out with Matt growing up. I would suspect that after a Fraggle is weaned, they are paired with another relative or friend (if Wembley is the youngest, that may be why he moves in with Gobo), and only when they reach "maturity" can they successfully live on their own.Indeed, but the Fraggles like being together (the five especially). XD
wemblingalong
05-19-2008, 09:48 AM
I always saw the main 5 like college kids. Out on there own living in there own cave for the first time. Wembly the nervous Freshmen, Gobo the Sophomore ready for adventure, Boober the uptight studier, Red the party girl and Mokey her mis-matched roomate/hippie girl.
Where did they come from, wow, good question. Do you think Fraggles lay Fraggle eggs? I see Fraggle eggs as very colorful maybe the way they would be colored is similar to the color of the characters. Gobos would be orange and purple, Red's would obviously be Red, and etc. Maybe once they are laid they are put in a Grand Fraggle nest and a group of Fraggles hatch at the same time surrounded by songs from the surrounding families and the elder fraggle! Who knows maybe after the new Fraggles are hatched the Fraggle Horn is blown for all the inhabitants of Fraggle Rock to celebrate the newborns! :excited:
Sorry sometimes my imagination runs away with me! :coy:
wwfpooh
05-19-2008, 09:51 AM
Well, if it proved that Fraggles lay eggs and it's already obvious that they're fur-bearing, does that mean that the Fraggles are like platapuses?
Redsonga
05-20-2008, 01:15 AM
Yes, I think that is what they are like, like I said before:
The only thing that I can think of is maybe a long lost type of Platypus- since they love swimming, are furry, hatch from eggs and are mammals as far as I can tell:wisdom:. Plus, you can almost see where their muzzles use to be bird like O.o
RedPiggy
05-20-2008, 07:08 AM
Who knows maybe after the new Fraggles are hatched the Fraggle Horn is blown for all the inhabitants of Fraggle Rock to celebrate the newborns!
I just had to ROFL on this. "Welcome to the Rock!" BOOOM! Way to welcome newborns -- by deafening them! LOL. :D
wemblingalong
05-20-2008, 07:34 AM
Well, if it proved that Fraggles lay eggs and it's already obvious that they're fur-bearing, does that mean that the Fraggles are like platapuses?
Hmm...maybe they are! Anything is possible in the Fraggle World! :)
I just had to ROFL on this. "Welcome to the Rock!" BOOOM! Way to welcome newborns -- by deafening them! LOL. :D
I guess I could extend this ridiculous story by adding that maybe they had tiny baby Fraggle sillynoise-muffs. Which actually brings us to another question, how do the Fraggles hear without ears? :confused:
RedPiggy
05-20-2008, 08:56 AM
Which actually brings us to another question, how do the Fraggles hear without ears?
Well, their aquatic natures may have given them something akin to snake or frog ears ... a drum on the surface. After all, external ears would create needless drag (though, their googly eyes are still a problem ... maybe that is why Boober and others have none?).
Redsonga
05-20-2008, 09:16 AM
Well, their aquatic natures may have given them something akin to snake or frog ears ... a drum on the surface. After all, external ears would create needless drag (though, their googly eyes are still a problem ... maybe that is why Boober and others have none?).
I think he has them farer up on his head than over fraggles and they are so keen he can see pass his hair :3. But in my mind there is more than one breed of fraggle, and Boober's kind are a bit like sheepdogs, you would think they can't see but their hair is lighter and more fluffly than a everyday fraggles :).
Anyway, frogs have googly eyes and they do just fine :).
I think fraggle ears are more like duck ears...
wwfpooh
05-20-2008, 11:41 AM
I think he has them farer up on his head than over fraggles and they are so keen he can see pass his hair :3. But in my mind there is more than one breed of fraggle, and Boober's kind are a bit like sheepdogs, you would think they can't see but their hair is lighter and more fluffly than a everyday fraggles :).If only that were true, because the actual puppets of Boober--and likewise, SideBottom--literally have NO eyes.
Redsonga
05-20-2008, 12:55 PM
If only that were true, because the actual puppets of Boober--and likewise, SideBottom--literally have NO eyes.
The puppets do but we are talking about if they were real animals ;). And Boober acts like he can see in great detail so if he was real he would have eyes IMHO :)
wwfpooh
05-20-2008, 01:01 PM
The puppets do but we are talking about if they were real animals ;). And Boober acts like he can see in great detail so if he was real he would have eyes IMHO :)Point taken. Also if he were real, he'd probably be a fan of The Beatles, because of his voice and hairstyle, just like Jess Harnell (Wakko Warner) is a fan of John Lennon & Ringo Starr, the two Beatles Wakko's voice is patterned after.
Redsonga
05-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Point taken. Also if he were real, he'd probably be a fan of The Beatles, because of his voice and hairstyle, just like Jess Harnell (Wakko Warner) is a fan of John Lennon & Ringo Starr, the two Beatles Wakko's voice is patterned after.
Well, he might not be actually. Remember if they were real and the tv show was not just a tv show, but just recordings of their everyday lifes, he would not have ever been to Outerspace where the Beatles were known. Where as Wakko is a 'silly creature' of outer space who grew up on radio there ;). Unless the Land Of Carpets thingie happened once before when he was little and his parents saw a picture of that hairstyle...or any picture from that time really, I think the hairstyle was even bigger than the music in places ....
As for egg colors I think fraggle eggs are earthy grays, silvers,blacks, and blues to blend in with cave rocks and water so they don't get eaten by bigger animals :)
wwfpooh
05-20-2008, 02:32 PM
As for egg colors I think fraggle eggs are earthy grays, silvers,blacks, and blues to blend in with cave rocks and water so they don't get eaten by bigger animals :)Or crushed by their own kind during all that dancing and singing.
Redsonga
05-20-2008, 03:25 PM
Or crushed by their own kind during all that dancing and singing.
Well, that's why they would put them in safe out of the way nests, not in a big pit in the middle of the main cave *lol*.
I think they can be careful when they want to :). Their eggs could also be a hard as rocks after they are laid, and the babies could have a very very strong egg tooth that falls out after they are hatched :3
wwfpooh
05-20-2008, 03:39 PM
Well, that's why they would put them in safe out of the way nests, not in a big pit in the middle of the main cave *lol*.
I think they can be careful when they want to :). Their eggs could also be a hard as rocks after they are laid, and the babies could have a very very strong egg tooth that falls out after they are hatched :3That is a very nice--and well thought out--idea, Red. I applaud. ^_^
RL4422
05-30-2008, 03:49 PM
After a doozer gets old and stops working, it becomes a Fraggle :) or... they come from the deepest darkest corner of your basement - I used to look for them ALL THE TIME!
Count von Count
05-31-2008, 08:58 PM
I can tell Fraggles was made in the mind of Jim Henson.
When my neices and nephews were small. I used to say I had a FRaggle Hole behind a cardboard box I had full of stuff. I never moved the box but we would leave little prsents for the FRaggles and they would be gone when they wernt looking, and I said the Fraggles took them. HAd them going for a couple of years on that 'till they got older and got wise to me. lol
After a doozer gets old and stops working, it becomes a Fraggle :) or... they come from the deepest darkest corner of your basement - I used to look for them ALL THE TIME!
RedPiggy
06-02-2008, 12:02 PM
That's even better than the Santa scam.
wwfpooh
06-15-2008, 07:42 PM
That's even better than the Santa scam.
Ouch. Despite having been dead for several years, little Saint Nick (http://www.i-love-wavs.com/ChristmasWavs/Little%20Saint%20Nick%20-%20Beach%20Boys.wav)--who would be the person that people consider to be Father Christmas, Papa Noel, Kris Kringle, Santa Claus, or whatever you call him, given your culture or geographical region--did exist, once upon a time & it was his kind gift that brought forth the now commercial idea that the Santa character symbolizes (though the real meaning is to spread peace on earth and have goodwill towards all people). The symbolism of Santa also applies to the jolly old elf's ninth and final reindeer with the infamous red nose, because though he was initially created for the Gene Autry song that first proclaimed his good deed (http://www.i-love-wavs.com/ChristmasWavs/Rudolph%20The%20Red-Nosed%20Reindeer%20-%20Gene%20Autry.wav), Rudy--like his owner--became a worldwide acceptable figure, just like so many other holiday characters, as "he went down in history". ^_^
RedPiggy
06-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Um, I know the history of Santa Claus. If it were up to me (had I children), I would explain we honor Saint Nick's generosity at Christmas while many (though not all) celebrate the assigned birthdate of the holiday's namesake.
I'm just saying I would have enjoyed the FR ritual better.
wwfpooh
06-16-2008, 08:35 AM
Um, I know the history of Santa Claus. If it were up to me (had I children), I would explain we honor Saint Nick's generosity at Christmas while many (though not all) celebrate the assigned birthdate of the holiday's namesake.
I'm just saying I would have enjoyed the FR ritual better.Though I would like the Fraggle ritual--sans freezing--I wouldn't count out the meaning of what Christmas is truly all about (sans the religious aspect)...giving to others out of the kindness of your heart, proclaiming peace on earth, and handing out goodwill to all.
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