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Luke
07-19-2002, 01:51 PM
Just a wierdly funny'ish little story for all you pigeon lovers out there :-

Disney stops releasing pigeons 'to certain death' during shows

Florida's Disney World has stopped releasing homing pigeons during shows after 30 years because they keep being eaten by hawks.

Disney decided to stop the practice used in shows like Cinderella's Surprise Celebration and Beauty and the Beast.

The company had become disturbed by the thought the birds were being released to certain death.

The birds soared over the parks before returning to nearby roosts during the shows, but it was during these flights they would be preyed on by hawks, reports the Orlando Sentinel.

Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder says it was only recently the hawks had started attacking the pigeons and no visitors had complained.

The red-tailed hawks could not be relocated because Ledder says they would probably find their way back.

A home is being sought for the remaining 200 pigeons and the five staff who took care of the birds will take up other posts.

Source :- Annanova.com

FER SURE
07-19-2002, 02:28 PM
HMMMMMM..... Another Disney tradition lost. Oh well big whoop.

I do have to say that it was one of the funniest things to pull up behind the Kingdom in that crappy cast bus and be greeted by 400 cooing birds. Let me tell you I've never seen so much bird crap in my life.

This reminds me of a funny story. When they were shooting the title sequence for "Touched by an Angel" the crew was filming a white dove flying somwhere near Salt Lake. All of a sudden in comes a red-tailed hawk which procedded to swoop in capture and then eat their animal actor.

Luke
07-19-2002, 03:47 PM
LOL - thats funny, so much for white doves then !!!

Yeah i can only begin to imagine the amount of bird crap ..... i bet that was the real reason. Either that or it started to rain 'Pigeon Guts'

Ugh !

FER SURE
07-19-2002, 04:02 PM
There is also a "Disney Urban Legend" of one of the early shows of Cinderella's Surprise Cellebration ( a show I really enjoyed). There was supposedly a problem in the control booth and the cued the pidgeons and the pyro at the same time with deadly results.

I have learned not to trust these stories as most of them are not true. Ironically most of these stories come from Disney cast members. Many of them start with "My roomate's best friend who is an Entertainment Dept. Manager told me..." One of the funniest ones I heard is that during an emergency stop of the Haunted Mansion on Grad Night someone stole Madame Leota's head. This of course is impossible because of the baricade wall and the lack of a floor in that ride section. Although lots of "bad" things happen on grad night this one didn't


P.S. If they had used "homing penguins" I be they wouldn't have had that problem.

Luke
07-19-2002, 04:43 PM
Yeah, Penguins are the solution ! (as always). They can be fired out of canons wearing crash helmets ...... there won't be any pyro problems with them, well unless they explode !

Ernie101
07-19-2002, 11:06 PM
:p as a huge fan of disney i find this kinda silly sure a few pigeons but is it worth losing a tradition?

FellowWLover
07-20-2002, 07:54 AM
But what would Bert say? I dunno... a few dead pigeons versus all those out-of-work pigeons. Social dilemmas like these are really more of a topic for TP, wouldn't you say? ;)

Luke
07-20-2002, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by FellowWLover
But what would Bert say? I dunno... a few dead pigeons versus all those out-of-work pigeons. Social dilemmas like these are really more of a topic for TP, wouldn't you say? ;)

LMAO - Yeah this is a controversial issue which i don't think has been fully realised. Millions of pigeons unemployed, a national 'Pigeon Food' shortage, thousands of pigeons with nothing to do but poop on car windows - against the plight of a few widowed mother and child pigeons and i'm sure we can get Britney and Christina to do a fundraising gig for them or something.

I agree, this is really hard hitting, gee, and i thought 'Toughpigs' was the adult forum ..... all they talk about nowdays are ugly muppet toys, and Jack and the Beanstalks Emmy nominations. It's a good thing we've got good ol' MC to talk about HIV, and Pigeon mutilation.

FellowWLover
07-20-2002, 08:38 AM
I'll just bet you would love to see 'ole Britney "Doin' the Pigeon!"

radionate
07-20-2002, 02:42 PM
Will this carry over to the weddings held at WDW as well? And what about Disney land? I always thought they looked cool.

Luke
07-20-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by FellowWLover
I'll just bet you would love to see 'ole Britney "Doin' the Pigeon!"

Yup, I would love to see her "Doin' the Pigeon!" - in fact i'd love to join in, would certainly get ME cooing ! I think she's getting hornier and sexier each day - wish i was austin powers !

Oh and that goofy thing she does - pure class ... home run Britney, home run ! Now if only she'd do more stuff with penguins !

Ernie101
07-20-2002, 11:12 PM
Well disney i think must keep doing this i know theres a few people out here who are gonna end up doin some kinda petiton.

kansasteen14
08-03-2002, 07:42 PM
actually I am a disney fanatic and find this no big deal but I also find it sick and in NO way funny.and about someone trying to steal he head they got out of the car and died actually.

FellowWLover
08-03-2002, 07:47 PM
Huh?

radionate
08-03-2002, 08:05 PM
They are saying that they don't find the pigeons being banned a big deal, and they find no humor in the poor pigeons death by hawks while forgein tourists stand by and take pictures while saying, 'OOOooohhh'

They also are saying that on Grad Night, some drunk stupid future leader of america stood up while the ride was stalled and promptely fell down a big hole where there was no floor. (might be a Disney Urban Legand, don't know on this one)

FellowWLover
08-03-2002, 09:07 PM
Gee, I didn't even see your lips move that time. ;)

FER SURE
08-04-2002, 06:34 AM
No one died trying to steal Madame Leota's head! RE-read my post.

radionate
08-04-2002, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by FER SURE
No one died trying to steal Madame Leota's head! RE-read my post. Hey Nathan,
That's what I thought, but in your post you stated they couldn't steal the head as there is no floor. But did someone fall through and get hurt or die? That wasn't clear in your post and what the previous posts were relating too.

FER SURE
08-04-2002, 05:39 PM
I guess your right that could have been more clear. I'll try and describe the seance chamber a little more clearly. It is basically a circular black room. Along the outside wall there is a track along which your ride vehicle known as a "Doom Buggie" travels. on the other side of the track is a retaining wall. The track is fully enclosed by the wall of the room and the retaining wall. On the other side of the retaining wall is an open pit equiped with a cargo net to catch lost and found and in the middle of that is a table containing a crystal ball. Inside that crystal ball appears the head of Madame Leota. So to steal the head you would have to have your ride vehicle stopped in the seance room then get out of the vehicle hurdle the retaining wall and then levitate to the table. Since the net does not connect to the post supporting the table there is no real way to get to it. That is how that room is set up and I hope that it was clear enough for everyone to understand. No one died trying to steal the head, and as I pointed out in the original post this is one of those "Disney Legends" which means it probably never happened in the first place.

radionate
08-04-2002, 05:42 PM
Awsome insight Nathan. I love stories like that. Its the stuff that goes into rides that fascinates me more then the rides themselves. I'm one of those dorks who goes around taking pictures not of Mickey and the Castle, but Hidden Mickeys and little details all around the castle.

starr
08-18-2002, 10:34 AM
Lol! There are millions of pigeons in the world and Disney is worried about the Circle of Life??

Jeffrey Gray
08-18-2002, 10:27 PM
At least Bert will be pleased to know about this...

kansasteen14
08-19-2002, 04:39 PM
I wasnt taking it from your post I have read it on many disney web sites and from cast members I know.

radionate
08-19-2002, 05:30 PM
I know that the guy dying while trying to get the head is even on the Doombuggies web site (the best on the subject)

Doombuggies (http://www.doombuggies.com/home.htm)

They talk about "Disney Urban Legends", yet they never say if this is true or not. But it is indeed one of those tall tales. Remember, just because you see it on the net, doesn't make it true. The net is the worst place to take things at face value, as people don't have to worry about credibility and they are covered under the veil of annimity.

kansasteen14
08-19-2002, 10:21 PM
yes but as I stated Ihave talked about it to people in person.

FER SURE
08-19-2002, 10:44 PM
My post refrences a story from Grad Night 2001!! The story about the guy dying is from many years past. I can't speak to it's truth. I dont know if anyone died on the ride or not. If they did it happened in CAli. and not Florida. I really dont care if anyone died on the ride. I know it sounds harsh, but the one thing that got to me were guests who thought they had paid enough that the rules didn't apply to them.

kansasteen14
08-20-2002, 12:34 AM
I can see what you mean by the guests who assume they are to good trust me I am not one of them.and I was refering to cali,sorry shouldve been clearer and if you are a disney cm you may want to check out intercot.com

radionate
08-20-2002, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by kansasteen14
yes but as I stated Ihave talked about it to people in person. Still doesn't give the story any validity. I've talked to many people in person who have claimed to (in no particular order):

Seen Elvis in a Supermarket
Dated Lance Bass (of N'Sync)
Seen UFOs
Know that Walt Disney is buried under Disneyland in a cryogenically frozen chamber
etc, etc, etc

Are these true? dunno, but I'm not betting on it just because someone told me (actually on is true, but I'm not saying which one). Disney and the parks are full of wonderfully rich and detailed stories that don't have an ounce of merit to them. Its part of the fasination of the parks. Not only are there great rides, fantastic sites, hidden Mickeys, and wonderful "in" jokes abound, but there are also these Legends that have been passed down from cast member to cast member, just like ghost stories at summer camps, that might have had an inkling of truth to them, but are blown far out of proportion. That's something you must keep in mind when you hear these things.