Disney's Muppets

[bobhopesite]

Now since Disney bought the Muppets now they might have a new TV show, movies, video games and more.

Thanks to Disney, Muppets live on.

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

Hey! I don't think we should be calling hem Disney's Muppets :concern: As much as i LOVE, eat, sleep and breath Disney....they will always be Jim Henson's Muppets! I really wonldn't mind Disney Presents Jim Henson's Muppets! But IF they do start calling them Disney's Muppets....i ahhh....i guess i could live with that! :rolleyes: :) :)

[Phillip Chapman]

Several sources have confirmed to us that it will be Disney's Muppets in some form. According to where things are right now, Disney doesn't own the name "Jim Henson", just the Muppet and character names. Apparently Disney likes the idea of just using the title "Muppets", "Disney's Muppets" or "Disney Presents the Muppets" because with Disney's name attached it means something new and different whereas "Jim Henson's Muppets" donates a historic legacy. So if things play out according to plan, we will not see "Jim Henson's Muppets" used on any production. I think Sesame Workshop even uses "Jim Henson's Muppets" on their credits, so that may have to change as well after the 35th season.

[dmx10101]

Several sources have confirmed to us that it will be Disney's Muppets in some form. According to where things are right now, Disney doesn't own the name "Jim Henson", just the Muppet and character names. Apparently Disney likes the idea of just using the title "Muppets", "Disney's Muppets" or "Disney Presents the Muppets" because with Disney's name attached it means something new and different whereas "Jim Henson's Muppets" donates a historic legacy. So if things play out according to plan, we will not see "Jim Henson's Muppets" used on any production. I think Sesame Workshop even uses "Jim Henson's Muppets" on their credits, so that may have to change as well after the 35th season.
I don't like that idea. I saw in a pic that it even says Jim Hensons Muppets on the Muppet Vision 3D building.

[Green Ranger]

I don't like that idea. I saw in a pic that it even says Jim Hensons Muppets on the Muppet Vision 3D building.

He's got a point there.

[Luke]

Several sources have confirmed to us that it will be Disney's Muppets in some form.

OMG - That has just knocked me for six. I would have bet my life they'd have negotiated terms to use the Jim Henson name, especially as they'll still be paying the Hensons a share of future profits and all. I hope they go with just "The Muppets" or something. One of the things i thought they'd want to emphasise was Jim's name because of the past, not want to ignore it. Wow - i was beginning to feel a bit easier about the Diz thing and now this.

[ohdarling]

personally i dont care as long as the muppets live on though it would be sad if they never gave henson credit..i cant imagine them doing that..:O

[jediX]

The whole thing just makes me sick now. Even putting JHH or every TMS on dvd wouldn't make up for taking credit for creating the Muppet characters. Its an insult to call them "Disney's Muppets". Just leave it at Muppets, I say.

[Luke]

I just don't know why they wouldn't have negotiated for Disney to be able to use "Jim Henson" with special agreement from the Henson Legacy in exchange for the Legacy to be able to use Muppet images and Kermit as as a logo or something. I can understand why the actual Henson Company has to get rid of Kermit's head because obviously he doesn't belong to them anymore but Kermit and the Muppets will always be a part of Jim's actual legacy. This is one part of the deal that actually really has shocked me and made me feel a bit sick about it, with the others i could see advantage and disadvantages but i think this is wrong.

Jim's name is as recognisable as the Muppets really, they have been together for over 25 years. I would have thought the heritage of the characters was something Disney might want to stress seeing as "stewardship" seems to be the buzzword right now at JHC and the characters are an American institution. Just slapping Disney on the name stinks of them buying a property and just doing what they like with it fresh - might as well have bought the Gobots.

[BoyRaisin2]

Man, this stinks. The only problem I'd have with a Disney/Muppet union is if they'd call them "Disney's Muppets." I know they can't use the "Jim Henson" brand name, but gees, just call them "The Muppets." We know who they are.

I'm not usually for petitions, but...

[Whatever]

This is the kind of things we can expect from Disney.
http://www.elliott.org/vault/destinations/2002/mypal.htm
I'm telling you, Big Brother.

[BoyRaisin2]

Here's what Disney SHOULD do. Since the term "Disney's Muppets" (or even Jim Henson's Muppets) would mostly be used in the realm of merchandising, they should just let the Muppet and Bear logos stand on their own, and put the Disney Consumer Products logo in the corner somewhere, much like Warner Bros. does with Scooby-Doo products.

[Luke]

I agree Kenny. And as for not being able to use the Jim Henson name, i'm sure they could sort that out if they really wanted to - not buy it, but agree or license it with the Henson legacy or something. It really does stink - if a petition had any chance i'd be up for it.

[MuppetNewsFlash]

This is the kind of things we can expect from Disney.
http://www.elliott.org/vault/destinations/2002/mypal.htm
I'm telling you, Big Brother.

I have a Pal Mickey and I think it's great. It gave a ton of good advice when I was last down in Disney and that was my 19th visit. Since bringing it home I have never once noticed any spy camera or antenna pop out of his head to transmit info about me to the "evil empire" of Disney. I know this is a little off thread, sorry.

[Fozzie Bear]

I have never once noticed any spy camera

NOT that you've NOTICED!! Look at the pupil of his eye a little closer; and if there's a microchip, you don't need spy cameras or microphones...

Yep...they're watching. They're watching and waiting, even if it is a little blip on a bigger radar...they know you and know where you are, who you are, and are coming for you!

[Fozzie Bear]

Several sources have confirmed to us that it will be Disney's Muppets in some form.

Well, that just sucks like a car wash vaccuum cleaner! :mad:

Sure, maybe drop the Jim Henson's part of it all, but leave Disney's off that stuff! It's confusing, and ugly!!

Just call it what it is: The Muppets.

[Muppetto]

I was just reading some movie news at Ain't It Cool News and happened upon this piece. In it, Jim Hill of JimHillMedia.com says that the Henson children's decision to sell the MUPPETS to Disney was not for the money, but rather because they were forced into taking over their father's company after he died and not able to pursue their own career ambitions. More info here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17095

[GonzoPimp]

That was a very interesting perspective. Thanks for the article.

[GonzoPimp]

As far as the Disney Muppets, thats their game. Ya it would be nice to have Jim's name, it would also be respectful and proper, but thats not what the Walt Disney Company is about. They are not about giving credit to the people to make the magic happen, they are about one name, Walt Disney. I mean most people don't even know who Roy Disney Sr. is or what is contributions were.

Jim Henson is one of my heros and always will be, but even he knew how the game was played, else we would have Jim Henson and Frank Oz's Muppets.

[Fozzie Bear]

I was just reading some movie news at Ain't It Cool News and happened upon this piece. In it, Jim Hill of JimHillMedia.com says that the Henson children's decision to sell the MUPPETS to Disney was not for the money, but rather because they were forced into taking over their father's company after he died and not able to pursue their own career ambitions. More info here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17095

I've been warned by several site owners that most of what Jim Hill says is okay, but lots more of it is based on rumors and to take it with a grain of salt.

Well, that's what I heard...

[BoyRaisin2]

Yeah, he said a few months ago that Roy Disney and Stanley Gold were making their own "Rainbow Connection" with the Henson family or something like that. :smirk:

But true, half-true or neither, they're still entertaining articles.

[Fozzie Bear]

But true, half-true or neither, they're still entertaining articles.

True.

[Luke]

But true, half-true or neither, they're still entertaining articles.

I actually don't find them that entertaining - the questioning style seems very poor to me. It irritates me when i see things that blatently aren't true but he makes out they are possible rumors he's heard. 90% of an article is usually just basic information that he has pulled from press releases or other articles but made a bit more mysterious with his style. Also when he's wrong (like the Roy Disney thing) there is no acknowledgement of it yet he's still supposed to be an insider and people seem to think he is really well connected. If he was that well connected he wouldn't make massive mistakes like that and i don't know how people can still trust him. I know he has been well connected in the past but i've also had people very close to him tell me privately that it isn't so much the case now and he's trading on his name more than anything else.

[Fozzie Bear]

I actually don't find them that entertaining -.

I figured he meant "entertaining" like tabloids are entertaining. That's what I was thinking about. Tabloidially speaking, Jim Hill articles are entertaining.

I've still been warned not to put much stock into them, though.

[Luke]

Yeah i do get the tabloidy element in them - I don't particularly seeing the point though in writing sensationalist articles on Muppets and Mickey mouse in order to make a few bucks and a few fanboys scream but i guess it takes all sorts. It's quite funny that he partners with AICN and they've been known to do exactly the same thing.

It's a good job Jim Hill hasn't seen the Piggy 'breast' picture that was doing the email rounds. Can ya imagine that? He'd probably have this whole story worked out how Piggy was caught in a compromising pose because Donald Duck gave her too much champagne, was trying out his new camera and got carried away. He could do a day by day report on the legal case as her lawyer Randy Pig fights to get an injunction against the picture being published.

[Fozzie Bear]

and a few fanboys scream .

HA! Embarassingly and without any reason to admit it, I turned major fanboy only 3 times in my life:

Met Susan Sarandon and couldn't speak..."muhblah brr mmffpth."

Met James Cotton (blues harpist for Muddy Waters, then on his own) and I couldn't think of anything to say that sounded smart.

Met Elwood Blues/Dan Aykroyd and this is when I got around a corner where nobody would see or hear, and I hopped and hooted once, but was pretty well contained after that.

[BoyRaisin2]

As for me, eh, I have no emotions. :(

[Fozzie Bear]

And I'm only a Doctor, Jim!! :confused:

[bobhopesite]

Several sources have confirmed to us that it will be Disney's Muppets in some form. According to where things are right now, Disney doesn't own the name "Jim Henson", just the Muppet and character names. Apparently Disney likes the idea of just using the title "Muppets", "Disney's Muppets" or "Disney Presents the Muppets" because with Disney's name attached it means something new and different whereas "Jim Henson's Muppets" donates a historic legacy. So if things play out according to plan, we will not see "Jim Henson's Muppets" used on any production. I think Sesame Workshop even uses "Jim Henson's Muppets" on their credits, so that may have to change as well after the 35th season.

Your right Jim Henson created the muppets he's like there Father. :) :p

[Whataday]

http://www.digitalduckpond.co.uk/images/muppets.jpg

[Fozzie Bear]

http://www.digitalduckpond.co.uk/images/muppets.jpg

You evil, evil person! :concern: :mad:

LOL!! :p :zany:

[BoyRaisin2]

Don't worry, IF it comes to that, it will probably be on toys. Hopefully they'll just be on the tags so you can pull it off.

[Drtooth]

I'm still thinking at worst it will be something like "Disney presents Jim Henson's Muppets." I mean, Disney owns the network and the programming but they didn't caLL IT Disney's ABC.... they didn't even call it Disney Family, just ABC Family, and that's because Fox didn't own it anymore. They don't call them Disney's Power Rangers.... unless it's only cause they don't want to associate Disney with some hack kid's show like that.

As for SS changing the name, dropping "Jim Henson's Muppets" from the credits... I don't think they'd do something like that. It would be muy disrespectful, and since SS would be no where without Jim's guidence back in 1969, I don't think they'd do that... not for a while.

[nikki_sxx]

I dont think they should use the name disney muppets, but even if they were to use the muppets as a title that would be better than anything :concern:

[Drtooth]

I feel... worse case scenario, they'll just use Muppets as a stand alone title..

as in a piece of Merchandsie would be marked with:

(c) Muppets

[a_Mickey_Muppet]

No! it will PROBBLE say (c) Disney :excited: :D :D

[Luke]

Well, considering some of the awful quality stuff Disney put out lets hope the name doesn't put too many people off huh ? :o

[Bean Bunny]

Luke,

Not all of Disney's stuff is awful. Give some of the products a chance. Disney make good plushes, for example Stitch.

[Luke]

Notice i said SOME - i was winding him up. I know some of the stuff they make is ok. Most of the high end collectables and the plushes aren't bad. They do suck at low cost plastic though the newer Snow White stuff isn't too bad.

I hate people being smug about the Muppets being bought by Disney. If truth be told it's Henson that have come off better from every deal they've been doing lately rather than the other partner. I can definitely see it all coming together and them having a much bigger plan in the great scheme of things. I also don't like people joking about the loss of the Jim Henson name, it's a big thing. I wish Disney were being pushed more to keep it.

[Fozzie Bear]

We could push the evil empire all we want, and they'll never listen. Disney isn't very consumer friendly, never has been. Didn't Jim Henson want to buy Disney at one time?

[Luke]

Yeah! Actually i'm suprised that story hasn't been given the Jim Hill treatment yet ..... fortunately.

[McFraggle]

Thank goodness. :)

[Fozzie Bear]

Maybe someone around here in the "know" should write that article and get the facts straight before Jim Hill does it and...well...over does it.