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MrTheFrog
02-15-2004, 11:27 AM
Phil from Fun4All e-mailed me these three pictures yesterday with the following information:

http://members.aol.com/mrthefrog/newbert.jpg
http://members.aol.com/mrthefrog/newcookie.jpg
http://members.aol.com/mrthefrog/newoscar.jpg

-these are NOT final product, they are still hand painted versions for presentation and sales purposes.

-Oscar's can lid will NOT be stuck on his head. He will have a lever on the back of his can, allowing you to raise and lower him from the can. The lid will be on a hinge to the back of the can....the lid will be able to "snap" on and off of the hinge.

- the first set was sculpted in less than a week and casted from the clay just so we could show something at the first toy fair

-on Bert, the "texture" for his skin and clothes are not on these samples. The final versions will have it. Also his shoes will be a dark brown/black color.
-the "letter" characters came out about2.5" tall and have faces

-cookie and oscar will have the light and darks in their fur

-ernie comes with a banana that he can hold up to his ear

-working on possibly giving grover "bendable" arms since they're so thin

- the letters are going to be done in a soft PVC, so they're a little wobbly

-on the front of each package (for the cookie monster package) it will say "brought to you by the letter "C"

-Pictures of Ernie, Grover, and the letters will come next week.

Artie

muppet maniac
02-15-2004, 11:35 AM
Those look very interesting!Thank you for posting those pics!

I like the Oscar and Cookie Monster figures.When are the Sesame figures coming out?Can't wait to see Grover and Ernie.

Can't wait till they come out.I wanna get Oscar and Cookie Monster-they're my two favorite Sesame Muppets of all time!

:p :( :grouchy:

AndyWan Kenobi
02-15-2004, 11:43 AM
Wow! What an improvement, especially for Bert! The changes on Cookie Monster and Oscar are more subtle, but also really nice. I like the slightly more crazed look that Cookie Monster has now. Great job revising these sculpts, Fun-4-All people!!

:)

Crazy Harry
02-15-2004, 11:51 AM
Still not perfect, but a lot closer to the real puppets.

guysmiley4ever
02-15-2004, 12:03 PM
wow, the new Bert looks meaner than the old Bert. He looks angry :(

AndyWan Kenobi
02-15-2004, 12:06 PM
wow, the new Bert looks meaner than the old Bert. He looks angry :(

Yeah, but he also looks more like Bert. Looks like Ernie won't let him read, or Ernie didn't put away any of the toys...

muppet maniac
02-15-2004, 12:07 PM
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wow, the new Bert looks meaner than the old Bert. He looks angry
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Hmm....wonder what he's so angry about...... :(

King Prawn
02-15-2004, 12:16 PM
For those of you who also read the Palisades board I just want to let you know that i'm repeating myself.

IMHO they look much better than what they used to look like, I'm now actually glad that I pre-ordered they might not be as great (for now anyway) as a certain company we all know would have made them but they're good enough for me in fact they're great, well some not all.

Cookie
I love him, He's my fave, the new fur and darker colour really add to the figure. I especially like the fact that it is now proven that the cookie is not sculpted onto the hand.

Oscar
I hate the fact he's not removable from the can and that Slimey is sculpted onto the can (couldn't the parents just remove it from the package once it's open?) but overall I love how he's turned out, much better than before, again the new fur adds a lot to the figure.

Bert
Is the one i'm least excited about but still I like how it turned out, look at the nose, much, much better. I don't really see the point of having his hand closed but still compared to the first one, although still not great is still much better.

These things have come a long way, I can't wait to see Grover with this new fur look as well as Ernie. I for one apologise for judging Fun-4-all so quickly, they might not be The Best but they are good and i wouldn't mind having these in my collection.

Thanks for the pic's Artie

Ryan
02-15-2004, 12:51 PM
Eh, they still don't look as good as how much they will be charging.

Cap Backfire
02-15-2004, 01:39 PM
OK, these look alot better and I'm glad to see em and have some more info. Looks super, and I can't wait to see Super Grover either, since he's my most sorely awaited.

Bert probably ran out of Preperation H or something.

Squigiman
02-15-2004, 01:42 PM
They definitely do look better. Even with not too much articulation and sculpts meant mainly for one position, I'd get them, if I knew they were in scale with the Palisades line. Anyone know? Thanks a lot, and take care.


-Squigiman

Erine81981
02-15-2004, 01:46 PM
For those of you who also read the Palisades board I just want to let you know that i'm repeating myself.

IMHO they look much better than what they used to look like, I'm now actually glad that I pre-ordered they might not be as great (for now anyway) as a certain company we all know would have made them but they're good enough for me in fact they're great, well some not all.

Cookie
I love him, He's my fave, the new fur and darker colour really add to the figure. I especially like the fact that it is now proven that the cookie is not sculpted onto the hand.

Oscar
I hate the fact he's not removable from the can and that Slimey is sculpted onto the can (couldn't the parents just remove it from the package once it's open?) but overall I love how he's turned out, much better than before, again the new fur adds a lot to the figure.

Bert
Is the one i'm least excited about but still I like how it turned out, look at the nose, much, much better. I don't really see the point of having his hand closed but still compared to the first one, although still not great is still much better.

These things have come a long way, I can't wait to see Grover with this new fur look as well as Ernie. I for one apologise for judging Fun-4-all so quickly, they might not be The Best but they are good and i wouldn't mind having these in my collection.

Thanks for the pic's Artie


The same goes for me too King Prawn.

floydnjanicefan
02-15-2004, 03:12 PM
I really like all of the revisions so far. I think that although Bert is not perfect, the texturing will really make the difference. My one disappointment is Cookie Monster's body. To me, it seems like it should be stretched taller. Other then that, I really like the changes and will probably buy all of these figures. I cannot wait until we get to see Ernie, Grover, and the letters... :p :( :grouchy:

beaker
02-15-2004, 03:14 PM
ok, now we're talking. How tall will these be again?

The Count
02-15-2004, 04:02 PM
Hey guys, if anyone could... please explain to me how the original prototypes differ from these newer revisions. Going by what MrTheFrog reported, there's still hope for the figures yet. So long as they end up looking more and more like the puppets themselves as the figures should, and no longer have that cartoonish aspect they'll be OK by me. Unfortunately, I'd have to buy one or another figure to judge for myself, you know my blind batty eyes and all.

But the two things I'm concerned with that I hope won't go horribly wrong.
1 Texture will and has yet to be added, this might help redeem Bert in the eyes of many.
2 Don't make Super Grover's figure with bendie arms. Give him ball socket shoulders and/or swivel wrists and he'll be a great figure on his own right.
Hope this helps and have a good day.

Irving Bizarre
02-15-2004, 05:34 PM
Looking much much better than before. I may consider buying now. provided they aren't too hard to get hold of.

matleo
02-15-2004, 06:31 PM
the pics are definitly cooler, but I'm stillo not jazzed abotu them. I did see them today at Toy fair, but I think they were the odl sculpts...except bert, I think betr had the new sculpt.. They are not really in scale with Palisades. I didn't think so anyway. They're a tad smaller. The packaging is really slick. I did like that. and the letters look cool too. but like I said, I'm still not jazzed on the figs.

--Matt

Whatever
02-15-2004, 06:37 PM
Are they regular letters or Muppety ones with eyes? :confused: :confused: :confused:

floydnjanicefan
02-15-2004, 06:44 PM
the pics are definitly cooler, but I'm stillo not jazzed abotu them. I did see them today at Toy fair, but I think they were the odl sculpts...except bert, I think betr had the new sculpt.. They are not really in scale with Palisades. I didn't think so anyway. They're a tad smaller. The packaging is really slick. I did like that. and the letters look cool too. but like I said, I'm still not jazzed on the figs.

--Matt

They are not in scale??? :( Oh, I really wanted them to be in scale with the Palisades figures... Do you know about how tall they were?

The Count
02-15-2004, 07:13 PM
Sorry to bombard you with so many questions Mat, but you did say you saw them. So...

1 How tall are these exactly?
2 How are the figures and accessories arranged inside their blister packaging?
3 Will they be regularly carded or clamshell packed figures?
4 What does the design on the packaging look like?
5 Do the backs of the packaging have bio-files on each character?
6 If there are bio-files included, what do they say?
7 Even though they may not be perfectly in scale with Palisades' Muppets, would they still gel well together seen side by side or interacting with each other?
8 Do you think that texturing could save the Bert figure and make it look better?
9 Is there hope for Super Grover's arms not being bendie, and if so how can we express our sentiments about this?
10 About what estimated price and release date is set for these figures?
Thanks for your help and have a good night.

WiGgY
02-16-2004, 06:47 AM
Judging from the pictures, I think Cookie monster could probably hang with the muppet figures without much weirdness. He does have a really round belly instead of the blobbyness you'd expect, but it's still a pretty good figure. No ball jointed shoulders though. but that was because of the sculpt. They went for look instead of function on that one.

Bert will NEVER be able to hang with the muppet figures. Even if they can save the head sculpt, the body is still pretty bad.

Oscar's can is too small and would seem funny with the figures. The can would have to be like Fozzie size to be in proper scale. Well, maybe MAMMA scale. But still, not gonna happen.

I didn't see them in person. These are just guesses. Chances are the ones at the show weren't the rght size anyway being prototypes.

Fozzie Bear
02-16-2004, 08:33 AM
Much better; but get that unibrow of Bert's going straight across!! I don't like how it looks. period.

No wires in Grover's arms. Been done before, not good.

Cookie is lots better!

Cap Backfire
02-16-2004, 08:43 AM
I see a disturbing number of Bendies out there right now. I really don't want Grover to be a Bendie, but will certainly take him. It's not like I pose them enough to really risk the wire breaking, thus rendering Grover useless.

Personally, I don't care about Bert's eyebrow. With the look they're going for he'd probably look like a robot or something with that straight unibrow. This one has a little more personality to it. It's a HUGE improvement and when they finally add the right textures to him, he'll be completely justifiable as a purchase. The rest, well, I have to see the final Oscar, w/o the can on his head. I can sculpt my own Slimey Worm as a seperate piece. That's not a problem. The COokie must have been pretty close to what they wanted orignally cause all that's different on that one is the paint job. There are other subtle changes, but that's the only real one I've seen on him. I love him just hte way he is though.
Bottom line, there goes my cash flow for '04. Sheesh. LIke I didn't have enough on my plate here!!! HAHAHAHAH

WiGgY
02-16-2004, 10:14 AM
Cookie's head was changed a lot. it's not as flat and cartoony looking. It's much more show accurate.

Drtooth
02-16-2004, 02:50 PM
I have to say, they pulled a total 180 from suck to ROCK!!!!

I stil;l want to see Ernie and Grover, but the Bert... the Bert kicks butt, and Cookie is just great! Now, Oscar .... I can accept that his head is sculpted into the can, and Slimey's sculpted to the side. He's great! I am really psyced and loving these!!!!!

Fozzie Bear
02-16-2004, 03:42 PM
Bert will be okay once they get that unibrow thing fixed right. However, it is my own personal opinion that these don't rock...at least not to me.

Cap Backfire
02-16-2004, 04:38 PM
While I may not agree with what you have to say, I will be the last one defending your right to say it Fozzie. I'm sitting on the fence with these. I'm still good with the sizing too. If they're a little too small, that's cool. All the SS Muppets are supposed to emulate small children anyhow, so they could be like my Muppets little cousins.

That's my plan anyway.
I hope they come through for you Fozzie. Cause I know if you're impressed with this line, I certainly will be blown away. Here's hoping... :excited:

Drtooth
02-17-2004, 01:40 PM
AWWW... I don't care what you guys think! I'm getting all the ones I like... meaning everyone but Little Murray Sparkel and Elizabeth... God please don't get made!

Hat Sharpener
02-19-2004, 09:10 PM
I keep thinking of going to a great restaurant, having a huge delicious meal, then finding out that the desert menu is pretty much cookies and a rather dry-looking bit of chocolate cake.

While I would be the last one to say bad things about cookies and cake, they just don't cut it when you've had such an awesome meal.

In other words, I will kindly pass, and just ask for a cup of tea and the check.

- Derek

WiGgY
02-19-2004, 10:10 PM
I wonder when we'll see new pics of Grover and Ernie? You have to admit Grover was pretty good at the start.

muppet maniac
02-20-2004, 02:17 PM
Can't wait to see the Ernie and Grover pictures.

:p

Cap Backfire
02-21-2004, 10:16 PM
So would your Cup of Tea analogy, in relation to the topic, be a Barbie set with Fraggle themes??? Maybe Skipper comes with a shoddily produced mini-PVC of Gobo, and a Barbie comes with Red and Mokey... And then some little baby-kid comes with Wembley??? That would amount to a cup of tea for me, as far as action figures go.

Personally I think these would be like getting the chocolate cake at Portillos after a really great cheezy-beef and large shake. So the Muppets would be the beef, the accessories woudl be the bun and peppers-and even the juice... The shake would be the cool packaging and the garbage would be the hunt for these figures... The straw for the shake would be the driving...

OK< that was alot of representation, but I feel these figs will compliment the Muppets line. Palisades has offered the perfect product for their ideal target audience. Their figs look great in a package for the collectors, out on a desk in an office if you just want Gonzo or Fozzie, or in a massive collection that takes up an entire bookshelf (with my extended collection that covers several nearly compatable lines) and most of a dresser.

The SST figs are geared towards THIER target audience with something extra and some fine consideration shot toward the collector as well.

PS< Fozzie, that's a GREAT new avatar, although I will always miss "Shower Fozzie" the most. :p

Josh.

WiGgY
02-22-2004, 03:31 PM
So when will Ernie and Grover be shown? Anyone?

Drtooth
02-23-2004, 04:12 PM
So would your Cup of Tea analogy, in relation to the topic, be a Barbie set with Fraggle themes??? Maybe Skipper comes with a shoddily produced mini-PVC of Gobo, and a Barbie comes with Red and Mokey... And then some little baby-kid comes with Wembley??? That would amount to a cup of tea for me, as far as action figures go.

Personally I think these would be like getting the chocolate cake at Portillos after a really great cheezy-beef and large shake. So the Muppets would be the beef, the accessories woudl be the bun and peppers-and even the juice... The shake would be the cool packaging and the garbage would be the hunt for these figures... The straw for the shake would be the driving...

OK< that was alot of representation, but I feel these figs will compliment the Muppets line. Palisades has offered the perfect product for their ideal target audience. Their figs look great in a package for the collectors, out on a desk in an office if you just want Gonzo or Fozzie, or in a massive collection that takes up an entire bookshelf (with my extended collection that covers several nearly compatable lines) and most of a dresser.

The SST figs are geared towards THIER target audience with something extra and some fine consideration shot toward the collector as well.

Agreed totally... I don't get the meal anmalogy at all... What the heck was the meal? :p

What I must say is I do not find a SINGLE thing wrong wirth this toy line at all, given all the variables. I mean, they've made a compromise between Puppet and cartoon, and a compromise between older collectors and little kids, the very same target audience of SS. I mean, we haven't seen the final product yet... just semi finished pieces with a dead on view on the internet... I've seen a lot of things turn out much better, and I feel these will be very good... not great, but not as bad as evedryone else sees them. I just feel people who pay the same for the Simpsons line for a Homer varient are pretty hypocritical about these decisions. I mean, They will improve. They won't be Palisades quality, but they won't be as bad as everyone thinks. Sorry iof I sound rude or anything, but these opinions are ruining the line for me, and I REALLY want these....

WiGgY
02-23-2004, 04:43 PM
So where are the pics of Grover and Ernie and the letters?

floydnjanicefan
02-23-2004, 05:15 PM
Yesterday I emailed the people at Fun-4-All to ask them where the pictures were and I asked them if they could email me pictures of the revised Ernie, Grover, and the letters. I have not gotten a response yet, but I will let you know if they do send me anything...

Drtooth
02-23-2004, 07:02 PM
I will say one thing, however... for those who are unsure of the line, and don't really want to pay 10 bucks for an action figure, the cheaper alternative would be the SS 3-D animator puppets... they cost around 5 bucks a peice, and the first set will (ironically) have most of the S2 characters (Guy Smiley and Big Birds) I may be swayed to collect these instead due to my monitary situation...

Cap Backfire
02-23-2004, 09:54 PM
So what is the deal with these figs/ line??? Got a link or something??? Cause I can at least take a look at them... I wanted to get one set of SS figs for me and one set of SS figs for my nephews... But that's alot of dough. So at the very least this 3-D thing might work.. Hmmm...

Hat Sharpener
02-25-2004, 09:06 PM
Agreed totally... I don't get the meal anmalogy at all... What the heck was the meal? :p
So much for me being clever....

I guess I feel satisifed with my fill of Palisades Muppet figures, and while the idea of Sesame Street sounds good, these don't warrant the expense or shelf-space.

Not that they're bad, they're just not good enough tohook me. If they were awesome I'd buy them, but they're average, so I won't. I will continue to look at the little plastic faces similing up at me form my desk with no feeling of emptiness because there isn't Ernie amongst them...

And after seeing Ernie, I think I will actually be happy that he is not amongst them.

Gonna shut up now.

- Derek

Cap Backfire
02-26-2004, 02:20 PM
SOrry dude, I wasnt' TOTALLY busting your chops... I jsut got on a positivity rut there for a bit (SO unlike me) and wanted to bring some happiness to the board. NOt that there isn't any usually, but the whole SS toy thing is kinda down on it's luck or something.

I see totally what you're getting at and totally got your analogy (and laughed out loud) but I don't like Tea. That was my point. Just goofing back.

Hope I didn't make anyone too unhappy or uncomfy

pxlforge
05-26-2004, 08:32 PM
are pics of the revised Grover and Ernie up online anywhere?

WiGgY
05-29-2004, 12:04 AM
You must have missed this.

http://hometown.aol.com/MrTheFrog/Sesame5.jpg

Grandmaster C
05-29-2004, 03:23 AM
No wonder Bert looks miffed. They screwed up his letter! :(

I'm still not too fond of these figures, but I gotta admit that's pretty funny. :zany: