Do you want Rowlf as Toto?

[turlem]

i don't this will do much, but it worth a shot.

aparaently tot will be played by pepe, personally, although i like peep, i thin he should have smaller roles(maybe the mayor?)

Rowlf is perfect for tot, not just cuz of the dog thing, but his dry it will be perfect for the film.

Maybe this will have an impact, cuz i honestly feel people would prefer aslightly different sounding rowlf, than none at all

Ol' brown ears helped make the muppets so popular, without him, they probbly wouldn't be as big as they are, we really need henson to realize this

[Erine81981]

I would have to vote for Rowlf. I feel the same way. It wouldn't be the same w/out him. How would everyone fell if Fozzie or anyother Muppets were retired. They would hate it. Now if they don't call on Old Brown Ear to have a major part or with at least five or more speaking then it just won't be Muppets at all. I don't seem to be rude but it would just be Mup. There forgetting about one Character and If he isn't in it as in to what I said then I'm not watching or buying it. Thats Final!!! :sympathy:

[agger_rob]

I'm with you guys. Rowlf for Toto!

[Fozzie Bear]

I'm sure that casting has already been done and that filming is in process now; however, I couldn't see a problem with that. I don't know why they wouldn't use Rowlf more often! My beef on all this is I want to see more of the original TMS characters being used!

[ryhoyarbie]

My beef on all this is I want to see more of the original TMS characters being used!

but isn't that the problem. they don't even use more of the original characters and when you see them, they either have a line or two or are put in the background just for show. what's up with these writers anyways? i mean henson peopel come on this website all the time and read this stuff. you would think after all the complaining we do to try to get the original characters back with good roles that they would give in and put these characters into larger roles.

ryan

[rexcrk]

Yes, I too want Rowlf to bee Toto. I mean, Pepe's cool and everything, and he's one of my favorite characters, but I like Rowlf even more.

[Beauregard]

I think Rowlf would be good, not as Tt though., That part would have been too big for him even before he was retired. I think he should have a bit like in MFC. "I love out of tune pinaos."

[Philo and Gunge]

Yeah, we need Rowlf in this film. I haven't heard a lot of Bill's Rowlf but it sounds wonderful from what I've heard (the groan, "Oh, yeah." and lines in IAVMMC and MRM). We need more Rowlf anyway, I love Pepe but maybe he could just be an extra of something.

[Phillip Chapman]

Just added a poll to the thread so that we could get a better idea of what people wanted.

[King Prawn]

As much as I love Rowlf and as much as I want to see him have a bigger role in this movie I don't want him as Toto. That part is perfect for Pepe but yes I would love to have Rowlf play a major part in this movie just not as Toto leave that part to Pepe. :sympathy: :rolleyes:

[Beauregard]

I voted no. Leave that part to Pepe.

[camilla]

I voted for Rowlf. I really do not likre Pepe and thiink he is overexposed especiall in the last couple of movies. if Rowlf is too buig what about Sprocket or even foofoo

Camilla

[scarylarrywolf]

I'm not going to vote for Rowlf unless they can fit a piano in that basket of Dorothy's. Rowlf seems better as a solo performer and I don't think he'd mesh very well with the other star characters if he were always lingering around them. I'm sure the Henosn writers are heavily embelishing the part of Toto to fit one of their characters though (so he can do more than hide in a basket or reveal strange men behind curtains), and I'd rather see Rowlf than Pepe; but personally I think Rizzo would be perfection in that role. His imitation of Mickey Mouse in the lobby display in the Muppets 3D attraction at Disney World just struck something in me that makes me think he'd do a wonderful impression of a yippy little dog.

And if that doesn't convince you that he's perfect for the role, just think of the fact that both dogs and rats carry fleas! I'll betchya didn't think of that, huh?! HUH?! :crazy:

[Amazing Mumford]

I'd rather see Rowlf than Pepe; but personally I think Rizzo would be perfection in that role.

I couldn't agree more. This role is made for Rizzo's smart aleck comments. I'm sure they can find a way to balance Steve's work between Rizzo and Kermit. Plus, I wouldn't think Toto would have that many lines.

The Pepe backlash is great though--he works best in very small doses.

[jediX]

I already have a thumbs-down opinion on this film concept to begin with, but I just can't see how Pepe would even work in the role. If they push him to the front like they have done with other characters, he will probably end up suffering the same fate as Clifford, Bean, and virtually all of the 80's characters that got pushed then vanished. Now, Pepe has a very good persona, but 1hr 45mins of him wound be a headache -- assuming he will has many lines.

If they want to make Toto into a lead character, I feel Rizzo would be the best bet if Rowlf isn't picked -- I prefer Rizzo's backtalk over Pepe's.

But as far as I'm concerned, I wish the Muppets/Oz fusion would leave it at 'Muppets go to the Movies'... ... ... ...

[FISH'N'WOLFE]

:sympathy: Hands down.

I totally agree with Matt that this whole movie is a huge mistake, but yes, if I had to pick it would be Rowlf.

[Drtooth]

I love ol Rowlf and all, and I agree he needs a bigger role in the movie... however, Toto is not like Rowlf... Toto got in trouble alot, and Rowlf seems more like the guy to make wisecracks in a bar.... I don't see him running around and gettung them lost.

I like the Pepe idea, and Rizzo would work great as well... but here's an application no one thought of..

CAMELLA..... think about it.... out of all four of them, she's the most like her animal counterpart, and since Toto is a non speaking regular dog, something more animal like would be good...

Of course, Animal would be good too, but Eric's busy with Fozzie, I'd say....

[Whatever]

I would like to see more of Rowlf, but Pepe's casting made me laugh- a King Prawn dog! That is probably the point. I imagine some joking over this.
Dorothy:"Toto, Toto, where are you? Come here!"
Pepe: "I am here, okay!" :rolleyes:
Dorothy: "What! A shrimp?!"
Pepe: "I am a King Prawn, okay!"

[Hat Sharpener]

More Rowlf would be good, but Toto is the wrong role for him... :sympathy:

I mean, Toto was a yippy little dog, Rowlf is a big mellow guy with a dry wit.

Small and yippy? Sounds like Pepe to me... :rolleyes:

Plus the Prawn/Dog jokes coulld be fun... See other thread for Zack's suggestion:
"I'll get you my pretty, and your little prawn too!"

- Derek

[rexcrk]

Ok, this may seem a little off topic (sorta), but why the heck does everyone think that this will be a bad movie? Have the Muppets ever done ANYTHING badly?! Well, there was Kermit's Swamp Years, but I belive the only thing that movie lacked was good humans and more classic Muppets. Other than that, I really can't think of anything Muppet related that I wouldn't wanna get on DVD :attitude: I personally think this will be awesome, I mean, look how they pulled off The Christmas Carol and Treasure Island! They were both awesome movies :cool:

[Amazing Mumford]

Ok, this may seem a little off topic (sorta), but why the heck does everyone think that this will be a bad movie? Have the Muppets ever done ANYTHING badly?!
For me, it's not necessarily that the movie will be bad (though I fear that somewhat). It's more that they could be doing something so much more original than an adaptation. They already did this on TMS 20 years ago. Although the plots of the original three movies weren't exactly ground breaking, they were MUPPET movies, first and foremost. They weren't someone else's story that's already been told a billion times. The Muppets--not the story or some human actor--were the stars.

Also, some of us just really miss "the old days." So, there's some bult-in skepticism of any new project. I've never seen MFS or MTI but last year's Christmas movie was awfully disappointing. It simply wasn't that funny. Maybe I'm more of a fan of Jim Henson than of the Muppet characters themselves--if that's even possible.

[jediX]

They havn't done anything BAD -- now Swamp Years wasn't that great but it wasn't HORRIBLE (I've seen MUCH worse). Some of the older stuff (Fantastic Piggy Show, Tinkerdee) aren't exactly gems, but they weren't BAD. You want BAD? Go find a bootleg copy of the 1979 disgrace: Star Wars: Holiday Special...

Take my word for it. This is bad: seeing Bea Arthur (from 'Golden Girls') singing with the SAME creatures from ANH's cantina (featuring a great new character, get this, folks: a giant plush inanimate rat [talk about special effects!] ) or Chewie's father... uh... is it inappropriate to talk about Wookies fantasizing to virtual reality women? Maybe? Then I won't say what he's basically doing in this...

AAAAAAAAAAANYWAY...

I just have a low expectation for this because w/o Frank or Jerry Juhl it's just not the same :(

[Zack the Dog]

I had to go against my dog Rowlf and vote no....I feel a little bad but Toto has got to be something small, i guess they would have only used Foo foo is Piggy was Dorthy, or Camilla if Gonzo was dorthy, lol! But they want to put Pepe somewhere with the main gain and he's small so that's where he will fit in. I do hope Rowlf lands some where with many, loud, clear spoken lines and interaction with other characters, It was great to see him in IAVMMCM and it was great to hear his short background lines, but i want to "Listen to Rowlf talk" not just hear him. :)

[beatnikchick300]

I voted for Rowlf, because I wouldn't be able to stand looking at Pepe's ugly mug for 1 1/2-2 hours. Man, I can't stand that overexposed little runt.....

[Beauregard]

*Welcome to the Wonderfull Pepe show!!!*

If that hapens, I am out of here!

[beatnikchick300]

*Welcome to the Wonderfull Pepe show!!!*

If that hapens, I am out of here!

You and me both, my friend.

[Beauregard]

Surpringly few people have voted for Pepe, though I know that he'll be ebtter than Ralph as that part (Sure, I don't like him, but Ralph is just WRONG for that part, or teh other way arond, that part of WRONG for Ralph)

[guysmiley4ever]

bleah. a talking Toto? and of all characters...Pepe? :p

We should have a Poll of what character should be Toto. make a list.
Camilla is great! Why not? That would be interesting and have many possibilities, especially with Gonzo.
Hopefully Gonzo is in the show. It could work...

I think Rowlf is a bad idea because he's just too smart to be Toto.
It would be an insult to put him in that sort of a role.

Pepe would be annoying. I love Rowlf, but not as Toto.
Camilla makes sense because Dorothy lives on a farm and a lot of kids have pet chickens. Or there's even Barkley (?), ya know, the dog from Sesame street.

:)

[Gusworld]

I find it interesting that most of the discussion of who would be suitable casting is largely based on the MGM movie. If there's one thing we've learnt from previous adaptations, it's that the Muppet team aren't afraid to mess around with the plot and main characters. So assuming that Rowlf should play Toto because Toto is a dog seems a bit narrow-minded to me.

Something else: Amongst my non-Muppet obsessive friends, Pepe is still a well-recognised character -- probably the only one who fits that description who emerged after TMS. Part of the reason for casting him is probably this recognition factor (cf. also his appearance in the Weezer video). Sure, us classic Muppet fans want to see Rowlf used more, but saying he has to be included instead of Pepe isn't necessarily good for the long-term prospects of the brand.

[Amazing Mumford]

Camilla makes sense because Dorothy lives on a farm and a lot of kids have pet chickens.

In the 1985 movie Return to Oz, Dorothy travels through Oz with a pet chicken (er, hen) instead of Toto. Brian Henson even worked on that film. Not sure they necessarily want to copy much from that movie though.

[guysmiley4ever]

oh silly me...that's probably where I thought of that. I love 'Return to Oz.' gotta watch that one again...
but it still wouldn't hurt and the Muppets have put ideas from several different movies into their other movies. They can parody any movie they want to!
Camilla doesn't talk and wouldn't need to, just squawk and wait for Gonzo to save her. hee hee...
I just don't think Pepe would work. He doesn't seem like a pet type either.
anyhoo, just my opinion, i s'pose just wait to see what they do with it.

[Erine81981]

I know I voted yes but as I was thinking I thought of Bakervillie. (can't spell well) but I was thinking what him. He's hasn't been w/ the muppets in a while expeilly any movie they've done. What about him? I mean I like Rowlf but w/ everyone saying he'd be better some place else in the movie I'll have to go w/ everyone here that says that. I would perfure Bakervillie as Toto. I know we've haven't seen him in very much expect TMS but I would reather see Bakervillie as Toto. How does anyone else fell about this?

[jediX]

FYI-It's Baskerville :)

[Zack the Dog]

Haha! I was thinking of Baskerville just for the heck of it, but we all know they wouldn't use him, Foo Foo seems like the choice that would be most true to the orignal movie, but you have to think where would Pepe be placed that he would be used a lot. I have to say Rowlf as Toto would be cool just to see Rowlf talk, beinging around all the time and everything, but it wouldn't seem right to the flim, in a way it seems weird for Pepe too, but he's got the small animal type role for him, a main role for him who will be on camrea most of the time and....well, he has four letters in his name too like Toto! LOL! ;)

Lets face it, Pepe is a bigger character to the Muppets now then Rowlf is, used more, more lines and stuff. now Pepe as big as he may seem, (well not in size) Is still very new to the Muppets and there are still many people who don't know of him, so i would think Rowlf is still well know just kinda forgot about, but Pepe is still a break threw character and is becoming more and more popular so they want to put pepe in a place that will be main. I think Rowlf should get a nice cameo role, but we still have to remember that you know that some of the roles will also be played by human actors other then Dorthy. but I hope not too many.

It's nice to her that piggy will be the witch, but i kinda wish she would be dorthy and then have a human actor as the witch, but at least it's rumored that Piggy will be the witch rather then a human for Dorthy and then one as the witch. still i would then want Foo Foo as Toto if Piggy was Dorthy but then you have to think where would Pepe be placed?

Camilla as Toto i think would only work if Gonzo was Dorthy...lol and that an't happing! same goes for Rizzo, but well not really he could work just as well as Pepe I guess, boy did Rizzo really did take a back seat after MFS, he was really pushed into the background in IAVMMCM, he didn't appear in the Weezer video, nor get a Nascar like Pepe did a few years ago. I wonder where he will be placed into this new movie?

[bazooka_beak]

I voted yes, just because I love Rowlf :sympathy:

[CarburetorJane]

boy did Rizzo really did take a back seat after MFS, he was really pushed into the background in IAVMMCM, he didn't appear in the Weezer video, nor get a Nascar like Pepe did a few years ago. I wonder where he will be placed into this new movie?

I know! I can't believe how Gonzo and Rizzo have been split up as of late... Anyways, I voted yes for Rowlf becuase I would rather have him as Toto then Pepe. Yeah Pepe is funny and was great in MFS, but King Prawn is best in small amounts as Amzing Mumford already said. I think he would be really good as the Mayor.

I hope Rizzo gets a better part.. Maybe he can be Gonzo's "oil can"!

Rizzo: "Squeak-squeak."
Gonzo: "What are you doing? Why did you squeak?"
Rizzo: "I'm an oil can."
Gonzo: "Oil cans don't go 'Squeak-squeak'. I do. You're suppose to go 'drip-drip'."
Rizzo: "Trust me, you don't want me doin' that on ya."

[Beebers]

*says in small voice*

Why, not a newly built and conceived character.

For Toto.

[Drtooth]

The more I think about it...

Pepe- I love the Prawn, and we have to shoehorn him in somewhere (I'd think the way he acted in VMC, he'd be the villian's sidekick) but I'm liking the idea less and less...

Rizzo- he could work... but Steve is busy with :) you know...

Camilla- I wish they'd go back and reconsider this one before the final project. it makes a lot of sense.

I still don't like Rowlf as Toto... I mean, he can't just go off and yap like Toto... as was said earlier, he's got dry wit. he makes snide remarks at times... just doesn't fit the character.

A new character... I dislike that one most of all... The one thing I hated about MTI and MCC was they made more new characters for roles, and the lesser characters weren't even there. Lew Zeland's only line was cut from the final project in the "Cabin Fever" number...

[Amazing Mumford]

Not sure if anyone's suggested this before, but what about Sprocket from Fraggle Rock? He's hilarious as a kind of background/non-speaking character and that's all Toto really has to be. I can just imagine him dancing in the background of some musical number like in MFC. Plus, he's a dog.

My vote would still go to Rizzo since he can play the role as well as Pepe w/o getting on my nerves after a while. But, Sprocket is my favorite Fraggle Rock character and I'd go for that too.

[Mr.Penguin]

I love Rowlf and he should definitly be in this, but wouldn't it make sense with FooFoo as Toto? :sympathy:

[somethingofafan]

Although Rowlf is the right species for Toto, I think Pepe would fit the part better in terms of size and, more importantly, personality (Not that Toto had much of a personality, but if he did, I could see it being more like Pepe's than Rowlf's).

[dmx10101]

Although Rowlf is the right species for Toto, I think Pepe would fit the part better in terms of size and, more importantly, personality (Not that Toto had much of a personality, but if he did, I could see it being more like Pepe's than Rowlf's).
Rizzo would make a better Toto. Hisd humor fits more. Plus he's small too. Rowlf wouldn't fit in that tiny basket Dorthy carries Toto in. Pepe just doesn't fit to me.

[serenainverse]

I would definitely like to see Rowlf in the movie, but for Toto I think that Pepe is more appropriate ... and Rizzo better than Pepe. Toto is a role for a pint-sized troublemaker.

On the other hand, Rowlf would make a GREAT Wizard. Can't you just see him in the Emerald City piano bar?

:sympathy: "Any requests?"
:flirt: "Do you know how to get me back to Kansas?"
:sympathy: "No, but if you hum a few bars, I can fake it!"