Your Thoughts: Kermit and the Muppets on Jimmy Kimmel Live [Archive]

Mklonstage

09-30-2003, 12:21 AM

Well I only stayed untill after the Uncle Frank segment. But it is great to see Kermit in action :) Hopefully some of the top brass at the networks will see Kermit and others interacting with stars this week and realize the draw for the Muppets is strong. The fact that kermit got more attention then hollified or hannah when he made his entrance shows the love that is out there for the muppets. Kermit didn't even need a overly short dress to get attention. I thought Kermit was in great form and having him make an entrance was a nice touch. I'm definetly looking forward to Wed when :halo: will be sitting in with the band. Also anxious to see which other muppet friends kermit decided to keep as a surprise. I must admit though i was somewhat dissapointed with :sleep: :boo: . Hopefully they will get better as the week goes on.

NikZane

09-30-2003, 04:02 AM

My girlfriend and I just got back from Monday night's Kimmel Show with Kermit, as audience members. We were in row 4, centre stage, maybe 8-10 feet from Kermit.

This was truly a childhood dream come true: Seeing a muppet, and Kermit no less, in the "felt".

Kermit's entrance into the studio was pre-recorded, which we watched them make from the monitors in foyeur prior to being seated. Steve Whitmire was there, practising with Kermit actions, entering the studio, walking across the stage, sitting down, doing funny close-ups etc. It was totally bizzare seeing Kermit on the end of an arm.

For the first segment of the show, Kermit's introduction, Steve was lying on the floor in clear view of the audience, his arm reaching under the chair, and he was watching a monitor in order to correctly provide Kermits line-of-sight and arm actions. I was worried at first, worried that seeing behind the scenes of a muppet would destroy the magic but thankfully, it didn't. To me it just looked like there was a man lip-syncing to Kermit's voice, not providing it.

It was fascinating to see Whitmire 'operating' Kermit. The illusion of Kermit being alive was not lost by the fact that Steve was there. Actually, whilst in character, Steve did a marvelous job of allowing Kermit to exist as an extention of himself. At one point between breaks, Steve coughed, but it was Kermit that made the action. At another time during a break, one of the production crew said something to Steve, and whilst he was answering he continued to move Kermits mouth to his reply, as though unconsciously. Was it Steve or Kermit, that the production guy was talking to? Aside from all this being seriously funny, it really seemed as though Kermit and Steve Whitmire, were one and the same.

After the first segment, when they brought the guests on, Kermit moved seats, and Steve moved to behind the chairs and was no longer visible (interesting to note that a second Kermit was used for the next segment. For one very brief moment, we witnessed a limp, frozen-in-time Kermit be covered by a black silk cloth and taken away, to be replaced by a clone. Now however, Kermit really was there alone, sans-muppeteer, sitting on the back of a chair, fully alive and animated.

Kermit was in great form, I don't think I took my eyes off of him the entire show. Although the cameras weren't on him for very much of the time throughout the taping, he still remained fully alive, moving his eyes from Jimmy to the guests and back again as they chatted, looking down to watch the monitors at the appropriate times, gazing around the studio, smiling and giggling to the audience. Even between breaks, when Whitmire chose not to rest his arm, Kermit sat there bopping to the band playing air-guitar to himself whilst production crew swarmed the stage giving notes, touching up Jimmy's makeup etc. Kermit even sat there scratching his butt at one point!

I barely remember Holyfield and Darryl Hannah, I was there for Kermit only. As I said, this was a childhood dream come true and I still can't really believe I was there, merely feet away from Kermit the Frog, resplendent and live, charming and funny, scratching his butt, coughing and clearing his throat between breaks.

If you live in the LA area, and regardless of whether you're a Kimmel fan or not, or could care less about the other guests or not, I recommend highly going to one of these Kermit shows - you will not regret it. I believe there are still tickets for the Wednesday (with Animal!), Thursday & Friday shows. Kermit did mention there being other guest muppets in addition to Animal on Wednesday. Tickets are free and you can get them from http://www.1itoa.com, by calling in (866 JIMMY TIX), or from outside the El Capitan on Hollywood Boulevard from about 2pm - 5pm.

Oh, by the way, I mentioned in another thread that I'd try to get photos from inside the studio - it didn't happen, and was not at all possible. The studio was dark and there were production and camera crew everywhere. The glow from my screen would have been a beacon and I was not willing to risk missing Kermit by being removed from the studio by security, sorry. :)

NikZane

09-30-2003, 04:19 AM

I should also mention that it was nice to see what seemed to be massive support from the audience for Kermit. During the warm up, he received the most noise over and above both Holyfield and Hannah when the guests names were introduced, which was great.

Also, if you do go to the show, Dan (the loud and annoying crowd warmer guy for Kimmel - also from Man Show) picks 2-3 people from the audience during warm up prior to the show, to do silly little competitions (read: to drool over the "pretty girl in front row" and humiliate "loud geeky guy in back row"). Those chosen are given prizes, which are usually crappy CD's and DVD's. This week is no different, but with Kermit being there, they're also giving away little muppet packs, containing the new Muppet's Merry Xmas DVD and an awesomely cute little Kermit soft toy. I soooo wanted one, but not being either a) cute, blonde and female or b) loud and obnoxious, I wasn't chosen to participate. C'est la vie. Get one if you can, obviously the DVD you can get anywhere, and the Kermit is probably not exclusive, but is he is hella cute.

NikZane

09-30-2003, 04:22 AM

Oh, and when I sat "just got back", I really mean... "got back a few hours ago". ;)

Zack the Dog

09-30-2003, 05:56 AM

Thanks for all that info NikZane! Welcome to the fourm BTW! Yeah Kermit's intro's tend to be prerecorded most of the time, back around last November (wow that long ago?) Kermit was on the Killborn show and his intro was prerecorded acording so someone who went to the show. Thanks for all that backstage stuff! we love it here! and your most right, the magic is NOT lost if you see a performer with a Muppet, it make's it more specail to see! Glad you had a GREAT time! will you be going to any more shows?

Oh and new the Muppet's Merry Xmas DVD will be for sale within the next week so I guess some lucky people got the movie early!

Thank again for sharing! I actualy taped the show but fell asleep watchng it! Kermit hadn't come out yet and it was during the first break that I dozed off! LOL! Well it will be nice to watch it when I get outta college today.

Daffyfan2003

09-30-2003, 06:32 AM

I wonder if Jerry would be doing Statler if S & W are on?I'm watching it on tape just now. It was definately Steve performing Statler. To be honest, I was a little surprised to see them. I thought it would just be Kermit. Also, he mentioned that Animal would probably be on the show Wednesday. I hope it's Eric Jacobson performing him there. John Kennedy's Animal, just didn't sound right. There's also this good quote, I liked. I'll change my signature quote so you'll all see it there.

Fozzie Bear

09-30-2003, 07:01 AM

I was worried at first, worried that seeing behind the scenes of a muppet would destroy the magic but thankfully, it didn't. :)

That's a great report! Thanks for sharing!

Actually, at MuppetFest where the performers were sitting on the stage with their Muppets at hand (get it??), and either the performer or puppet was talking, you'd have thought that in a case like that all the magic would have been gone, but the illusion of puppetry (when done right) can remain even with the performer in plain view.

I'm always surprised at how often I'm visible to the folks at the Ronald mcDonald House events, but they pay attention to Muley and forget I exist. Even more amazingly, people refer to him like a living, breathing person because when you have a puppet that isn't a part of a conversation suddenly and they just sit there on your arm, who cares--but, if they get bored, take on 'sighing' motions, begin looking around, tapping you on the shoulder for attention, they come alive.

Thank goodness Steve is such a great performer, because other folks (other than Muppeteers) might set their puppet down instead to rest their arm, and puppeteering is a heckuva tough job.

Convincing John

09-30-2003, 08:17 AM

Does anybody know what happened after the roller blading segment? My tape ran out and I was asleep! Any other Muppet stuff, like :sleep::boo: or more :)?

Convincing John

jediX

09-30-2003, 10:39 AM

Shows how awake I was, I don't even remember a rollerblading segment :sleep:

Chilly Down

09-30-2003, 11:24 AM

Thanks for the update, Nik! How exciting!

I'm in the L.A. area too, but I don't get back from work till at least 5:30. What times are the tapings?

Zack the Dog

09-30-2003, 12:02 PM

Yeah that was Steve doing Statler as those clips seemed to have been prerecorded. It's likey will see other characters performed by Steve and Jerry and if Eric is performing Animal we might see Piggy, but Kermit said fozzie was hibornating and Eric performs fozzie as well so maybe it will be John or someone performing Animal. Animal doesn't talk much anyways so it might be a clue there that we won't see Piggy or Fozzie. Gonzo is very likey to show up and i hope Pepe too if Bill is there or even Rowlf!

Fozzie Bear

09-30-2003, 12:14 PM

I know Pepe is Bill's character; but, I'd prefer Rowlf. Just because he deserves more TV time.

SuprGro78

09-30-2003, 12:46 PM

I checked my sources on this and found out that all that Stadler and Waldorf stuff was taped Friday and the performers were Dave Goelz and Bill Baretta.

Wozza Fraggle

09-30-2003, 01:02 PM

Bill performing Statler?!

Seeing as he does a good Rowlf, i would have though he vocal range was more on cue with Waldorf !

WEIRD!

SuprGro78

09-30-2003, 01:14 PM

Bill performing Statler?!

Seeing as he does a good Rowlf, i would have though he vocal range was more on cue with Waldorf !

WEIRD!

Bill can do many voices, he's so good.
BTW Jimmy Kimmel is a live show for the east coast they go live three hours before it airs west coast.

NikZane

09-30-2003, 02:51 PM

Thanks for the update, Nik! How exciting!

I'm in the L.A. area too, but I don't get back from work till at least 5:30. What times are the tapings?

The Kimmel show airs live (the first talkshow to do so in 40+ years), to the East Coast. This means taping begins at 9:06pm sharp. Calling time is around 6:45pm and they start ushering people in around 7:00pm - 7:15pm. I've turned up at 8:00pm before and have gotten in with decent seats, (but have also missed out turning up at that time also).

You are given seating allocation tickets as they usher you in, so obviously the earlier you arrive, the earlier you get into the studio. Depending on how far from Hollywood you are, I'm guessing you'd have ample time to get to the El Capitan for the taping.

Hope this helps :)

Daffyfan2003

09-30-2003, 02:51 PM

Does anybody know what happened after the roller blading segment? My tape ran out and I was asleep! Any other Muppet stuff, like :sleep::boo: or more :)?

Convincing John

Lol. I was worried I was the only one. Yeah, my tape only got about a half hour of the show on, so I missed a lot of it. I didn't see the roller blading. What else did I miss?

sarah_yzma

09-30-2003, 03:40 PM

:O I must go see if my tape recorded, be back in an hour!

sarah_yzma

09-30-2003, 04:40 PM

I found out I'm not the biggest Jimmy Kimmel fan, but I LOVED it!

Bill, eh? that makes sense, something seemed a tad different about the voice (not in a bad way, just different)

there was a joke that was not rated G at the beginning, and I really didn't think it was funny (not like that one hollywood squares did last year with piggy,THAT was funny, this was crude)

so I sat through 2 bad guests for Kermit, that's ok...who's up tonight?

Hurt Bert...hehe.....

sarah_yzma

09-30-2003, 04:47 PM

:O I must go see if my tape recorded, be back in an hour!

check that out, and hour exactly! anyway, I had another point! that was a lot of plugging for the special, which I find to be a good thing!

Erine81981

09-30-2003, 04:56 PM

I enjoyed it. I to had to set through some guest I didn't like but it was fun. I can't wait to see :halo: on wednesday. I hope :sympathy:, :o or :mad: r on there. Well can't wait to see what happens tonight but most of all KERMIT IS ON THERE ALL THE TIME!!! YEAAAAAAAAAA!!!

NikZane

09-30-2003, 05:00 PM

There wasn't much that happened after the Rollerblading segment. Comic Todd Glass came out to do some stand up (he was pretty awful, actually), then a cut to break (during which Darryl Hannah dashed back the Grauman's Theatre for the Kill Bill premier), then we return to Jimmy wrapping up and thanking his guests.

Kermit did finish off with a great line however, in reference to Kill Bill:

As Jimmy wraps up, Kermit politey interjects... "Hey Jimmy, Jimmy... did you know we're getting Darryl for the Sesame Street sequel to Kill Bill? It's called Hurt Bert."

Much laughter ensued.

Daffyfan2003

09-30-2003, 05:14 PM

I checked my sources on this and found out that all that Stadler and Waldorf stuff was taped Friday and the performers were Dave Goelz and Bill Baretta.

You're kidding! That's Statler's third performer since Richard died. He really seemed to do a good Statler. I wonder why they didn't use Jerry or Steve though. I don't know about Jerry, but I guess Steve was too busy performing Kermit to perform Statler.

Daffyfan2003

09-30-2003, 05:17 PM

As Jimmy wraps up, Kermit politey interjects... "Hey Jimmy, Jimmy... did you know we're getting Darryl for the Sesame Street sequel to Kill Bill? It's called Hurt Burt."

Lol. That's a good one. Too bad I missed it.

1. Cry about missing the playoff games because you have to work.
2. Make some popcorn for when you can watch them
3. Whine that the Phillies didn't make it this year
4. Hope the cable doesn't go out again like it did this morning.

dbarrie

09-30-2003, 05:55 PM

Hey, thanks for filling all of us in on Kimmel's show last night (it was after midnight here). I only watched the first 20 minutes before falling asleep. I would've taped it if the Donald O'Connor biography hadn't aired on A&E. I'll be taping the show the rest of the week though. It was cool to see Kermit and the plugs for the new Christmas DVD. I saw it last year uncut on a channel from Barrie (The New VR), and can't wait to get the disc! It was the best Muppet Christmas film or special since "Carol"!

Speaking of Kermit dolls, I used to have these cute Kermit and Fozzie hand puppets, but I unfortunately had to sell them. Let's just say that the Kermit that appeared last night looked healthier than my puppet. I had these puppets when I met Terry Angus 20 years ago.

Thanks again for the details. Sounds like you and your girlfriend had lots of fun.

NikZane

09-30-2003, 06:32 PM

Thanks for all that info NikZane! Welcome to the fourm BTW!

Thanks Zack et. al., 'tis great to be here :)

I can't believe after having been a muppet fan for over 20yrs, that I've only just come across this forum.

It's nice to read everyone's posts, especially those who are so passionate about the Henson team and their creations.

It also goes without saying that muppetcentral.com forum has the best emoticon set ever!

Erine81981

09-30-2003, 07:02 PM

Maybe U can join us in a role play one day. It pretty cool. Fozzie (Kev) normaly runs them but most of the members here make up there own. We make up our own movie type play and have fun w/ them. We normaly pick cerent characters to play but most of any muppet character can pop up anywhere. We r running a thing called "Muppet Collage Dorms" or "Which muppet would u room w/ at Collage?" Its fun we have our own muppet character and we room w/ them. Just remember read most of what u can so u understand what its about. Just tell "The Count (MC) and he'll explain or like how he says it "hexplain." So if u want join or not thats fine. See yea and can't wait for tonights tapping.

frogboy4

09-30-2003, 07:33 PM

Yeah that was Steve doing Statler as those clips seemed to have been prerecorded. It's likey will see other characters performed by Steve and Jerry

Steve and Jerry? Don't you mean Steave and Dave? Dave always does Waldorf and that was definitely him. It would be nice to see Jerry show up, but if he's not doing Statler, I doubt he will.

I'm guessing Pepe, Bunsen, Beaker, Gonzo, Rowlf, Bobo, Johnny and Rowlf are the clear possibilites to join Kermit, Animal, Statler and Waldorf this week. I would like to see others stop by.

beaker

10-01-2003, 01:25 AM

Holy canole! Looks like JHC finally did what I had always wanted...a Muppet on the street interview segment! I was stunned watching tonight's Kermit cohosting of Jimmy Kimmel...as it was so cool seeing Kermit randomly going up to people in Hollywood asking them questions(ala the Jay Walking segments on Leno) I remember always talking about how Gonzo and Pepe should do on the street segments in Time Square, and this is the next best thing!

We also saw Kermit reference Snoop Dogg('fashizzle my nizzle)'...which is odd, as last time Kermit mentioned Snoop Dogg was on Craig Kilborn(about why he got cut from AVMC)

Finally, the seperation of fleece and felt was bridged...as forget all the "Sesame is now seperate from JHC hooey"...as Kermit said "this episode was brought to you by the letters P P and C, and the number 14"(referencing a guys shirt)

The show got a little bit mrore racier when Kermit asked the guest, in reference to her playing a role Jennifer Lopez did..."Does this mean you get to do Ben?"
Kermit then says "The word "do" means something totally different on Sesame Street".

Statler and Waldorf also made a cameo. It was just so exhilarating seeing Kermit come out when he was introduced, amidst the faux theatre guest entrance. And seeing the streets segment...I really hope a new Muppet show finally debuts next year, with that kind of hip modern lighting and decorem(with of course a nod to the old theatre) But Kermits week long appearence on Kimmel is going to really help the Muppets position...as well as its cool seeing other Muppets ont he show as well.

frogboy4

10-01-2003, 02:06 AM

:) There were no new surprises today, but Kermit held his own. It appears that the cut-ins of Statler and Waldorf are done off-site so who knows if Goelz and Barretta are there? We know Animal comes out tomorrow. I hope we see more Muppets and that Statler and Waldorf aren't the surprises he was talking about.

It also looks like there are plugs all week. Yeserday was VMC, today was the video game so Palisades might get a plug this week. I hope they bring out current stock and not the series one Kermit figure again. They probably will, but it's not really available anymore. Koozebane Kermit would be cool or Gonzo or Pepe even. :rolleyes: :concern:

Zack the Dog

10-01-2003, 06:20 AM

Steve and Jerry? Don't you mean Steave and Dave? Dave always does Waldorf and that was definitely him. It would be nice to see Jerry show up, but if he's not doing Statler, I doubt he will.
Yeah I ment Steve and Dave, I switched the names :)

Kermit was a hoot on the show, as just like Beaker said i've also always wanted to see a Muppet do something like that with Frog on the street!

I hope they do plug more Muppet stuff, I can't wait for Muppet Party Cruise!

Hey wow Bill does a good job with Statler! I think Statler's the first simi main Muppet to have 4 people who've performed his voice. It's almost a giving to see Pepe I would bet, but i'd really love Rowlf!

Animal tonight, gosh it's Wensday already?!

Drtooth

10-01-2003, 07:06 AM

Heres the story...

Not only am I fast asleep by 1 am, but to make matters worse, My ABC affiliate comes in terribly bad, so I can't even tape it!

So if someone's taping this, please please please make Mix tapes of the erntire week and I'll see what I can do about Payment or trade!

Thank you! :halo:

Cindy Chapman

10-01-2003, 07:13 AM

LOVED the Frog on the Street bit! That was definitely worth staying up for. I only wish I could dance like that cute old lady. ;)

AndyWan Kenobi

10-01-2003, 09:18 AM

I am really loving Kermit on Kimmel's show, and I'm not really a big fan of Jimmy Kimmel in general. I liked him best on "Win Ben Stein's Money." Anyway, these shows with Kermit are great! I really liked the Muppet-on-the-Street segment last night, especially the Snoop-slang and the guy who was doing that "Mr. T" impression. :p

Looking forward to tonight's show--I'm holding out a secret hope that Mr. The Frog will announce details of a new Muppet series... I know it's not likely, but a guy can dream...

:)

jediX

10-01-2003, 10:29 AM

Kermit turns perv (well...sorta). Well its a first, Kermit the Frog making a direct sexual reference. A tad creepy. Then again, other Kimmel-related puppets are worse: Crank Yankers and the infamous "sock puppet porn movies" on the Man Show... Let's just hope for the sake of humanity ol Kermie doesnt end up doing either of those ;) Well, then again, earlier in the year Jimmy had reoccuring "Terry the Terror Crab" or something segments, who actually sounded a LOT like some voice on JHH. I'm not too sure. Yesterday's S&W appearance was probably the first time I've ever actually been offended by a Muppet performance, let alone a puppet. But that's just me...I thought it was too crude, even for them. Other than that, the week has been alright thus far, except the Kimmel forum is tearing Kermit apart... :o

jediX

10-01-2003, 10:31 AM

Oh, Dr Tooth, I'll be recording it all week (in SP) so contact me if you want to arrange a trade.

Crazy Harry

10-01-2003, 01:12 PM

I liked him best on "Win Ben Stein's Money."
Me to. I think his crude attitude works best when there's someone like Ben to be the straitman.

What was so bad about S&W last night?

toyzboy

10-01-2003, 01:35 PM

On Tuesday's show, early on Jimmy made a snide remark to Kermit in the guest chair (paraphrasing here), "this is just so strange" [talking to a 'puppet']. And whoever was working Kermit makes Kermit look down, and says, "Heh, YOU feel silly?" [I interpreted it as refering to the grown man laying on the floor WORKING the 'puppet'. Or maybe Kermit with a person laying under him.]

Anyway, I thought it was pretty rude for Jimmy to say 1) on air, and 2) to Kermit (really, the puppeteer). But it did show Kermit can think on his feet, has a sense of humor, and is humble.

Fozzie Bear

10-01-2003, 03:23 PM

Maybe Kermit felt weird talking to Jimmy? OR, maybe Steve used Kermit to express his embarassment for being seen while performing Kermit there?? I doubt it, since he's been seen performing before--especially at MuppetFest The Muppet Show Live!

Who knows, but I think Kermit felt odd talking with Jimmy.

jediX

10-01-2003, 03:31 PM

What was so bad about S&W last night?

Well, the original S&W never would have used the word 'retarded'. That word just offends me for family reasons which I do not wish to get into.

Ryan

10-01-2003, 03:58 PM

NikZane:
Do you know who was working Kermit's right arm rod? If you don't know her/his name, can you describe what they looked like?

frogboy4

10-01-2003, 04:06 PM

I didn't catch the "retarded" reference. We are all guilty of using such terms at one time or another, but that was a poor decision. I'm guessing it was Bill. He's more on the fringe than Dave. Maybe I'm so used to hearing the terminology that it just escaped my attention. :boo:

Kermit's statment wasn't that shocking. Little kids would not have picked up on it and they shouldn't be up anyway. It's nice to see Kermit stop pandering to kids. That Muppets on Wheels video a few years ago offended me to no end. Tapes like that is what Elmo is for.

Jimmy's really more of a hack. I'm not a big fan of any of the Man Show guys. It's humor to the lowest common denominator. Anyone can be crude, but that doesn't make it funny or clever. It appears he needs all the distractions and guest hosts to pick up the slack. He seems like a behind the scenes guy instead of a host.

Drtooth

10-01-2003, 04:18 PM

I didn't catch the "retarded" reference. We are all guilty of using such terms at one time or another, but that was a poor decision. I'm guessing it was Bill. He's more on the fringe than Dave. Maybe I'm so used to hearing the terminology that it just escaped my attention. :boo:

Kermit's statment wasn't that shocking. Little kids would not have picked up on it and they shouldn't be up anyway. It's nice to see Kermit stop pandering to kids. That Muppets on Wheels video a few years ago offended me to no end. Tapes like that is what Elmo is for.

Personally, I have heard lots of unsophisticated old people use the word "Retarded" over and over, so much it's lost all meaning. Maybe that's what Dave and Bill or whoever was getting at.

The only thing offending me was stating Kermit was a puppet to his (Steve's) face.

And Yes. Jimmy is a hack. Throw the bum out! Just let Kermit host forever!
:excited: (Never really get to use her emoticom so much!)

NikZane

10-01-2003, 04:19 PM

On Tuesday's show, early on Jimmy made a snide remark to Kermit in the guest chair (paraphrasing here), "this is just so strange" [talking to a 'puppet'].

Maybe Kermit felt weird talking to Jimmy? OR, maybe Steve used Kermit to express his embarassment for being seen while performing Kermit there?? I doubt it, since he's been seen performing before--especially at MuppetFest The Muppet Show Live!

Who knows, but I think Kermit felt odd talking with Jimmy.

I understand where toyzboy is coming from, I also picked up on the snide remark. Jimmy clearly made out that he felt like an idiot talk to a "puppet", which is fair enough, but he shouldn't have expressed it out loud. It seemed to make Kermit/Steve feel uncomfortable as it sounded like a subtle insult.

It's ironic too, I mean Kimmel has his *own* "puppet" show, Crank Yankers, and should be used to working with them.

It is a shame as on the first night I thought Jimmy conveyed a certain sense of honor for having Kermit on his show by the acknowledgement, "Kermit THE Frog is here people, in the felt!", which he said more than once. By mumbling "this is so strange" on the second night, it showed his lack of respect for both Kermit and Steve Whitmire. Oh well, he's a talkshow host after all and being an a**hole is his job.

Off on a semi-tangent, I had a similar experience of offence outside the El Capitan whilst waiting to go inside the studio. There was a guy behind us who had really only just walked by and joined the line for the heck of it. He had no idea who the guests were and when he enquired as to who the co-host was for the week, he was informed that it was Kermit. "What?? Kermit the Frog? You're kidding right, man I feel ripped off! I want it to be someone cool!", was his reply. Someone cool?? Dude, who is cooler than Kermit the Frog?? At first I wanted to tell him to go home, but then quickly realized that I should feel pity for him, that his lack of imagination has obviously prevented him from enjoying Muppet magic, like the rest of us dreamers. He was 21 and I wondered if perhaps he was too young to appreciate the Muppets (is that an oxymoronic statement?), then I realized that my girlfriend is only 22 and she adores them as much as I do.

Different strokes I guess...

NikZane

10-01-2003, 04:22 PM

And Yes. Jimmy is a hack. Throw the bum out! Just let Kermit host forever!
:excited: (Never really get to use her emoticom so much!)

Here here! I can just imagine it...

"Live from Hollywood... it's the Late Show with Kermit the Frog! Tonight's guests are..."

NikZane

10-01-2003, 04:33 PM

NikZane:
Do you know who was working Kermit's right arm rod? If you don't know her/his name, can you describe what they looked like?

For the first segment whilst Kermit was in the main guest's chair next to Jimmy's desk, Steve was lying on the floor in front of the chairs, clearly visible to the audience. He was operating Kermit alone and had both arm rods in his left hand, with his right operating Kermit's main body and head. I was quite amazed at how well he was seemingly so able to do this - I can barely rub my tummy and pat my head at the same time ;). I had never seen a live Muppeteer before and was sure that there would be at least two of them, but there was not. What a talented and coordinated guy.

After Kermit made way for the human guests and moved to the other seats, Steve also moved, to behind the seats and out of view from the audience. I do not know if whether he was joined by another Muppeteer or not, but am assuming he continued to operated both arms himself.

Zack the Dog

10-01-2003, 04:44 PM

Off on a semi-tangent, I had a similar experience of offence outside the El Capitan whilst waiting to go inside the studio. There was a guy behind us who had really only just walked by and joined the line for the heck of it. He had no idea who the guests were and when he enquired as to who the co-host was for the week, he was informed that it was Kermit. "What?? Kermit the Frog? You're kidding right, man I feel ripped off! I want it to be someone cool!", was his reply. Someone cool?? Dude, who is cooler than Kermit the Frog?? At first I wanted to tell him to go home, but then quickly realized that I should feel pity for him, that his lack of imagination has obviously prevented him from enjoying Muppet magic, like the rest of us dreamers. He was 21 and I wondered if perhaps he was too young to appreciate the Muppets (is that an oxymoronic statement?), then I realized that my girlfriend is only 22 and she adores them as much as I do.i]

Hi again NikZane, I just have to correct you for my own sake as others too,even though you did correct yourself ;) It doesn't matter what age you are to appreciate the Muppets, i'm 20 and I have always loved them! I will agree that some of it is lost in the children today but there are younger kids who love the Muppets, it all depends what you watch. Sesame Street and Bear in the Big Blue House help that kids now. I know some people here say The Muppet Show was made for adults, yet think if back to when they first saw the show they were younger or teenage kids! Kids that loved the show and grew to adults and that loved the show as well as adults loving the show...what did I just say? LOL! but like that person you just discribe..well some people are just ingnorant. The Muppets are for everyone and shouldn't focus just on adults or just on children but everyone for that matter. :)

Zack,

Crazy Harry

10-01-2003, 05:06 PM

Well, the original S&W never would have used the word 'retarded'.
He said 'RETIRED'.

:boo: I wish Jimmy Kimmel was more like Johnny Carson.
:sleep: You mean charismatic?
:boo: No, retired.

sarah_yzma

10-01-2003, 06:21 PM

but I think Kermit felt odd
well he IS made of felt!

ok....I'll admit...it was a bad joke...

jediX

10-01-2003, 08:40 PM

He said 'RETIRED'.

Oh, sorry....sure sounded like he said it though. Guess I need to switch from the cheap tapes back to the Sony ones... :o

NikZane

10-01-2003, 08:54 PM

Hi again NikZane, I just have to correct you for my own sake as others too,even though you did correct yourself ;) It doesn't matter what age you are to appreciate the Muppets, i'm 20 and I have always loved them!

Oh, I agree totally and I do hope that the Muppets are ageless/timeless and able to be appreciated by all generations.

It was a quick off the cuff thought, and I was thinking in reference to when I was kid that the Muppets were on TV regularly but as I grew older they seemed to be on less and less. I wondered briefly if that was the case everywhere and perhaps this guy, being 8yrs my junior, didn't have the same opportunity to grow up with the Muppets as I did. It was not his age per se, but his era or generation, that I thought perhaps simply missed out on Muppet magic.

I will agree that some of it is lost in the children today but there are younger kids who love the Muppets, it all depends what you watch. Sesame Street and Bear in the Big Blue House help that kids now.

I often wonder with todays slick CGI animated cartoons, Playstation and XBox, home computer prevalency etc., if a furry hand-held puppet with arms on rods still has the same appeal with the 8yr olds of today. I guess I'll have to have kids of my own to find out.

I know some people here say The Muppet Show was made for adults, yet think if back to when they first saw the show they were younger or teenage kids!

Like the Simpsons, there are elements in The Muppet Show that are geared towards kids, and elements geared towards adults. I don't really think either show is made for any one age group. My guess is Jim's original intention was to make a kids show that appealed to wider age group than Sesame Street, that could also be enjoyed by adults. Watching the Muppet today allows me to "get" a lot of jokes that went straight over my head when I was a kid.

Kids that loved the show and grew to adults and that loved the show as well as adults loving the show...what did I just say? LOL!

Ouch! I hurt my brain trying decipher that sentence ;) LOL indeed :)

Mark Filton

10-01-2003, 10:50 PM

Ah, I don't know if I like it too much :grouchy:

The comedian was not very funny and had to talk about Kermit like an old robot. Then he had to say that our soldiers are masturbating to cloud formations in Iraq because they don't have enough porn.

I hated to see my beloved Muppet friend in the middle of all the rubbish.

Steve Whitmire can't improvise very well.

Better to be on Letterman or Leno and have some CLASS! :grouchy:

Thumbs down for me all the way :sympathy:

Who needs it :D

jediX

10-01-2003, 11:02 PM

Off on a semi-tangent, I had a similar experience of offence outside the El Capitan whilst waiting to go inside the studio. There was a guy behind us who had really only just walked by and joined the line for the heck of it. He had no idea who the guests were and when he enquired as to who the co-host was for the week, he was informed that it was Kermit. "What?? Kermit the Frog? You're kidding right, man I feel ripped off! I want it to be someone cool!", was his reply. Someone cool?? Dude, who is cooler than Kermit the Frog?? At first I wanted to tell him to go home, but then quickly realized that I should feel pity for him, that his lack of imagination has obviously prevented him from enjoying Muppet magic, like the rest of us dreamers. He was 21 and I wondered if perhaps he was too young to appreciate the Muppets (is that an oxymoronic statement?), then I realized that my girlfriend is only 22 and she adores them as much as I do.

Then again, since when have Jimmy's co-hosts been "cool people". Anyway.

Like the Simpsons, there are elements in The Muppet Show that are geared towards kids, and elements geared towards adults. I don't really think either show is made for any one age group. My guess is Jim's original intention was to make a kids show that appealed to wider age group than Sesame Street, that could also be enjoyed by adults. Watching the Muppet today allows me to "get" a lot of jokes that went straight over my head when I was a kid.

Not just Muppets, either. I was a HUGE Ghostbusters fan when I was little and LOVED the movie. Anyway I was watching it on DVD the other day and picked up numerous dirty jokes I NEVER would have gotten otherwise. Heck, I've picked up on some on SS before. None were as crude as what Kermit's been doing this week, though.

I hated to see my beloved Muppet friend in the middle of all the rubbish.

Meh, its going to be alright in the end. Usually theres just dead air comedians on that show anyway. Even Conan O'Brien gets bigger guests ;) Making out with a nun? Yea...that's sure...uh...ok? After all, look how long our pals have been around compared to this stuff. Let's just hope Kermit never does a guest spot on Crank Yankers (although that show is sometimes pretty good).

Convincing John

10-01-2003, 11:07 PM

Animal is on! He's sitting in with the band! So far he's just said "KIMMEL! KIMMEL!" :halo: I don't know who's performing him, though. His drum set is a 60's style design with "The Electric Mayhem" printed on it.

Hey, there's a bear...whoops...false alarm. It's not :o...a bear on a trampoline?

And there was a little mini-commercial for tonight's show on a little while ago. It starred Kermit singing "Can you tell me how to get, how to get out of here?" Maybe Kermit's a little fed up with Jimmy's comments...stay tuned, folks!

Convincing John

jediX

10-01-2003, 11:29 PM

OMG!!!

Just saw Animal... whoever is voicing him now is pathetic!! It doesn't even sound close! Gaaaah. :grouchy: :boo:

Gosh, even I can do a better animal than that and I'm not a voice actor. Want a demo? I'll record it tomorrow morning.

Let's hope for the sake of the future of Muppets they can fix that..... Anyone know what the deal with him is?

CousinLuke

10-01-2003, 11:34 PM

jediX

10-02-2003, 12:07 AM

As I just said, even I can outvoice that guy and I'm not a Henson employee nor do I do voice acting. lol, in fact, I think I'm going to record some voices now .....

jediX

10-02-2003, 12:28 AM

Alright, as a product of boredem and the fact that I get to sleep in tomorrow (no class till 1, yay), I recorded a few of my voices. Anyway, let me know how you think the Kimmel appearance Animal compares to mine...thanks.

-Update-
GAAAH!!! I can't directly link to the file...here's a link page.

http://mhohnstein.tripod.com/junk/animal.htm

Crazy Harry

10-02-2003, 01:29 AM

It's better, but not great.

The green room bit was cute.

What does it mean when the network your show is on misspells your name? (Jimmel Kimmel)

frogboy4

10-02-2003, 02:03 AM

At least Kermit kind of bit back tonight. when the name of one of the kid's skateboard tricks sounded a bit profane, Kermit said," So that's why you were booked on the show." LOL! Cute kid. His ears sticking out of his helmet cracked me up. Who lets their little kids do that kind of stuff though. Man!

Animal was performed well as far as movement and personality. The voice wasn't right at all, but it was nice to see him there. I don't think Animal has a permanent performer at the moment. I could see the performer a few times and it looked like Bill Barretta. His movements were also kind of Barrettaish. :halo: :rolleyes: :)

I don't see why Letterman hasn't had Kermit on the show. He's had Beavis and Butthead, Homer Simpson and other such icons. Kermit beats them all in my opinion. Personally I'd like to see Letterman with Miss Piggy, Pepe or Johnny. They have more of a bite to their humor that would keep him on his toes.

Daffyfan2003

10-02-2003, 05:44 AM

Who is doing animal tonight? I realize that it's not Frank, but the voice is so off. It sounds like me doing animal (the only muppet Frank Oz voice I can do is grover). I must say, on my TV The comic who was in Iraq is talking. I wish the earlier late night shows would have kermit for a week. If Letterman (or Leno) gets sick maybe he could guest host, or even just even have him on as a guest. However, I do have to say that at least Kimmel is making the week a tribute to the muppets almost. I would have guessed that he woujld think the Muppets were too childish.
I haven't watched it yet, but it must have been John Kennedy who voiced Animal. That was him who did that Animal that didn't sound right in the Mastercard commercial. And John, if you're reading this no offense. We're not trying to put any negativity towards you. It's just that Animal might not be your character. Anyway, I'll have to listen for that when I get a chance.

NikZane

10-02-2003, 06:00 AM

I wasn't at all impressed with tonight's Kimmel. Why are there no guests that get excited about meeting Kermit (with the exception of Darryl Hannah, who was purportedly a friend and admirer of Jim Henson)?

They all either ignore him or make snide remarks. To paraphrase the awful 'comic', "Kermit the Frog? What, couldn't you get the Robot from Lost in Space?". What a jerk.

Sorry for the negative comments, but I really feel for Steve and Kermit having to endure these people. I'm loving seeing Kermit, but for his sake, I can't wait for this week to be over.

I agree with the Animal remarks too, his voice was too far removed from what I consider to be Animal's. Otherwise, it was nice seeing him there.

That little skater kid was great tho, being a skateboard myself, I really enjoyed his segment. He gets extra points for Rodney Mullen being his favorite skater ;)

Kermit's green room skit was cute too :)

Zack the Dog

10-02-2003, 06:23 AM

Quote:
"He said 'RETIRED'. "

"Oh, sorry....sure sounded like he said it though. Guess I need to switch from the cheap tapes back to the Sony ones... "

LOL!!ahaha! what a hoot! yeah I was wondering? When and why did they say that word?! Now if you think about it, gosh how teriable would that have been if they said that?! A silly mix up though! :)

Daffyfan2003

10-02-2003, 09:26 AM

Yeah, I kind of agree with what you said. I sort of expected the skateboarding kid to be excited about seeing Kermit, since quite a few kids like the Muppets. But he wasn't. (I guess a lot of kids these days are more into Pokemon or Yug-i-Oh and don't even know who Kermit the Frog is.)

About Animal, I agree he didn't sound right. But compared to how he sounded in the Mastercard ad, that was quite an improvement. Besides, he didn't say much. He was just playing drums. I'm guessing that it probably wasn't John Kennedy who performed him, like I previously guessed since it didn't sound like his Animal. Who had the source guide that said it was Bill Barreta who performed Statler this week? I think whoever it was could tell us who performed Animal.

Also, I didn't get the whole show on tape. I think something went wrong with my local TV station and part of the show got cut off. What did I miss after the segment with that roller-skating kid?

AndyWan Kenobi

10-02-2003, 11:30 AM

Yeah, I kind of agree with what you said. I sort of expected the skateboarding kid to be excited about seeing Kermit, since quite a few kids like the Muppets. But he wasn't. (I guess a lot of kids these days are more into Pokemon or Yug-i-Oh and don't even know who Kermit the Frog is.)

Well, I'm a big kid (26 going on 5), and I would have been thrilled to meet Kermit! :) It didn't seem like the little boy was unenthusiastic to me--I just thought he was shy. I can understand... If I actually met Kermit, I'd probably freeze up completely and sputter incomprehensibly. I might blurt out "greeny flippy bulgy-eyed one" or something like that, but nothing coherent.

:D

Drtooth

10-02-2003, 12:45 PM

He said 'RETIRED'.

:boo: I wish Jimmy Kimmel was more like Johnny Carson.
:sleep: You mean charismatic?
:boo: No, retired.

LOL!! That's why I love them.

Anyway, what happened last night was I got up, broke My Quisp Bobbing head in the process (the stupid propellor shattered when it hit the ground at like 2 feet, and it was PLASTIC!!! ) at one am just to see it, and for some *&^% reason, the show doesn't start at 1:06 am, but rather ends at that time. I only got to see a few minutes before it was over. And the sound was on so low, I couldn't tell who was performing Animal, I couldn't even hear him.

I do an okay Animal, myself, it's okay, not great...
:halo:

beaker

10-02-2003, 01:05 PM

AMAZING! When they came back from the break after Jimmy's little SNL news thingy...boom! There was Animal with his e mayhem drum kit, and Kimmel was asking him some questions. Then came out Kermit to the tune of this cool TMS theme cover, and Kermit went up to Animal and exchanged some banter. Its been a long while since I saw Muppet to Muppet interaction in an offbeat/live(or near live) Setting, so this was so cool.

You know, I have to say this...I know some folks will sit there and go "OMG, that's not how Animal sounds, OMG that doesnt sound like S&W, hey Kermit sounds off"...it's 2003...so sit back, kick up your feet, and just be a fan like everyone else viewing it. Muppets evolve in look and style(well cept the electric mayhem minus Animal) But heck, Animal has a newer voice, dresses hip all in black, its all good.

Yes, Kermit once again dips into the more racier topicshe had a thing talking about porn) but this is late night, and like the Land of Gorch stuff, its more risque.

But this was so important, this whole week. The Kermit on the stret segments were brillaint. Last night's green room sketch was funny. But just seeing Animal and Kermit in this hip enviroment, wow. I truly truly see a very hip edgy new Muppet show so clearly.

frogboy4

10-02-2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Crazy Harry
He said 'RETIRED'.

I wish Jimmy Kimmel was more like Johnny Carson.
You mean charismatic?
No, retired.
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I remember that part now. I couldn't figure out where people thought they said "retarded". I got that joke immediately. Why would they have called Johnny Carson retarded? I guess some members don't remember who Carson is. :( I feel old.

Philo and Gunge

10-02-2003, 01:42 PM

SO glad Animal was on the show last night, but the tape stopped recording after the "6-Year Old Skating Sentation" did his first trick. Was there any good :), :sleep:, :boo: or :halo: stuff I missed?

By the way, isn't that kid to young for Jimmy Kimmel?

Daffyfan2003

10-02-2003, 02:49 PM

That's the exact same thing that happened to me. Philo, do you happen to live in the Northeastern-Central Pennsylvania area? Maybe, it wasn't the tape. Maybe, something just went wrong with the TV station at the time. I'm just guessing though.

AMAZING! When they came back from the break after Jimmy's little SNL news thingy...boom! There was Animal with his e mayhem drum kit, and Kimmel was asking him some questions. Then came out Kermit to the tune of this cool TMS theme cover, and Kermit went up to Animal and exchanged some banter. Its been a long while since I saw Muppet to Muppet interaction in an offbeat/live(or near live) Setting, so this was so cool.

Yeah, that's the part I missed. I saw Kermit talking to Animal at the beginning of the show, but I didn't see their interaction later on. Hopefully, who ever runs the "toughpigs" website will provide a transcript of that.

By the way, isn't that kid to young for Jimmy Kimmel?

Good point. A six-year-old on a TV14 rated show. That might not set a very good example.

Wozza Fraggle

10-02-2003, 02:56 PM

Stryder Wolfe

10-02-2003, 03:34 PM

watched tuesday's ep last night and thought that the parts with kermit were great, especially "on the street", but the rest of the show was poor poor poor....

Philo and Gunge

10-02-2003, 04:43 PM

Good point. A six-year-old on a TV14 rated show. That might not set a very good example.

And on late night at that!

frogboy4

10-02-2003, 04:50 PM

I so want Pepe to set Jimmy straight. Or Johnny to call up some friends. :)

pezbalubah

10-02-2003, 05:05 PM

it's Late night TV not church. Go to sleep if you don't like it. These appearances are helping the franchise get back into the adult public eye to remind them that the Muppets are meant for adults too and not just the characters they grew up with on Sesame Street. Kimmel or at least his producers realize that Muppets can entertain adults thus booking them, Letterman most likely would not have them on because he doesn't realize there's an audience for them other than families.

Erine81981

10-02-2003, 05:44 PM

I like the whole every episode thats aired. I know its hard to hear our favorite muppets use words they normaly don't hear them say but its like some of the theard have said on their post, "Its late night tv its not church." I thought the comdey was a little rude but thats how he is. And yes Animal's vocie was not the same but it was fun seeing Animal and Kermit together on the show. The Bachelor seemed happy to met Kermit. But I can't wait until tonights. Maybe there will be some other Muppet character on there. One thing I was hoping for was to see Animal at the very end of the show go over and sit next to Kermit but he didn't.

SEE KERMIT TONIGHT! :) YAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *waving hands in air*

Daffyfan2003

10-02-2003, 06:34 PM

After watching the part with Jimmy introducing Animal (Thanks to Ryan) I am inclined to say that Bill Baretta was performing him.

When he is shouting "KIM-MEL KIM-MEL!" I can hear Howard Tubmans voice coming through.

So there ya have it, Now lets just wait for the source to come through with the correct answer.

see ya
Gosh. It seems like not a lot of puppeteers are available for this. It seems like Bill is one of the only pupateers we have this week. It's just him, Steve and Dave. It's hard to believe that he's performing both Statler and Animal. That probably would explain why Statler hasn't appeared on last night's show. Bill was probably busy performing Animal. You would think if they're using him this often, we'd see more of Pepe.

jediX

10-02-2003, 08:45 PM

Bill was probably busy performing Animal. You would think if they're using him this often, we'd see more of Pepe

Or maybe Rowlf...I'd love to see him get a decent comeback.

Squigiman

10-02-2003, 09:06 PM

Hey gang,
Been recording each episode, and hope to get the last two, as well, in case anyone missed anything or is perhaps interested in a trade. I feel the same as a lot of you guys. Nice to see Kermit around, getting some airtime, as well as plugs for the DVD and game. Actually, it's nice to see any new Muppet stuff, at all at this time. I mainly am trying to catch up on old stuff I've never seen, such as downloading TMS eps I can find, waiting to have money to buy all the DVDs, the new releases of the Christmas NBC movie, John Denver specials, Ed Sullivan, and just about everything else out there, except for the main six movies, even though I don't have all of those DVDs, but that's mostly due to the lack of widescreen on 2 of them. Either way, I do hope we get some more characters appearing in the remaining appearances. Though I believe the S&W segments were pre-recorded, as they didn't seem to mention them or have any audience reaction to them, I'm not sure if Dave's around, but it at least show's he's been involved. I really am holding out for a Gonzo appearance, as he's my absolute favorite, especially with his incredible action figure hitting stores near me. If only I had some money. Otherwise, the show itself is pretty bad, wish I wasn't wasting tape on all the rest. Well, maybe I'll get some trades out of it. Still, better than nothing, I guess. Hope this will lead to more, and higher-profile, appearances, maybe even the long-awaited movie and this Lisa Henson-attached movie. That's it, for now. Take care.

-Squigiman

SuprGro78

10-02-2003, 10:31 PM

Hey, I thought i would have an answer to report by now, but i still haven't gotten info on who is doing animal

NikZane

10-02-2003, 10:40 PM

Though I believe the S&W segments were pre-recorded, as they didn't seem to mention them or have any audience reaction to them, I'm not sure if Dave's around, but it at least show's he's been involved.

Someone mentioned earlier that the S&W segments were taped last Friday.

As for the audience reaction to them, we were told during the break, "this time when we exit the break, please be very, very quiet, no applause" (usually, we were told to make as much noise as possible when exiting the break). Then they showed the S&W segment (we weren't told either that it was S&W coming up, just to be quiet).

frogboy4

10-02-2003, 11:11 PM

Hey, I thought i would have an answer to report by now, but i still haven't gotten info on who is doing animal

Apparently it has been confirmed as Bill. Steve was going to do it, but Bill got it at the last minute. Warrick is the source of the information. Apparently it came from a good source. :sing:

Convincing John

10-02-2003, 11:19 PM

Well, they just showed Kermit with shades, singing the ABC's with Uncle Frank, and another S&W segment:

:boo:Y'know, I really envy that Jimmy Kimmel.
:sleep:Oh, why's that?
:boo:He's the only one who doesn't have to WATCH Jimmy Kimmel!
:sleep::boo: HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Convincing John

Convincing John

10-02-2003, 11:30 PM

Another S&W segment was just on!!!

:sleep:I can't remember the last time I was this bored.
:boo:What, you already forgot Jimmy's monologue?
:sleep::boo: HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Go Statler and Waldorf!!!

Convincing John

BoyRaisin2

10-03-2003, 03:05 AM

What was Kermit doing on Thursday's show? I was asleep unfortunately.

Zack the Dog

10-03-2003, 06:11 AM

Kermit was VERY edgy! Wow! He came in with sunglasses on for his intro which looked really cool when he flipped them off, he then sang a quick short song with a line about being "a sex machine with a certain hogg!" He had a very funny bit with Uncle Frank, (the only guy on this show that's good besides Kermit)

They had Kermit and Uncle Frank talk in a room taped earlier and Uncle Frank didn't know that they were being filmed. Jimmy said they wanted to know what would happen if they just let Kermit and uncle Frank talk as if they were two men talking. Then they showed the taped and Uncle Frank couldn't believe it! LOL! They sang the ABC's together and Uncle Frank talked about how's he's good with certain things like when some one dies he can identify the body....and he talked about past jobs and Kermit yawned.LOL! Kermit said he was the nicest guy and gave him a thumbs up! It was all random stuff, they "said" they taped for an hour I guess, but of coures they could only show a little bit.

Kermit then was getting frisky with Sarah Silverman, (who wasn't rude to him like I thought she seemed on the Killborn show last year.)
Also going back to Wensday night, Kermit has said....(porn) on tv before, which was on the Killborn show.

I liked at the end when Jimmy mixed up the DVD box, he meant to show a music DVD for a DJ that was filling in with the band that night but he was mistakenly holding up the IAVMMCM DVD! lol! He then caught himself and said "oh no! not this!" and then threw it down :smirk: but it was funny!

No surprise Muppet last night, but maybe tonight? it would be SOOOO cool if they could have Kermit, Gonzo, and Pepe all out at the same time! Tonight's the last night right? or is there a Saturday show? i don't think so, but i could be wrong?

AndyWan Kenobi

10-03-2003, 09:12 AM

Me too. I think his crude attitude works best when there's someone like Ben to be the straitman.

Yeah, kind of like :p and :( , except Ernie definitely prefers Duckies to Juggies, and I'm sure Bert is more interested in Bottlecaps than in "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller."

;)

AndyWan Kenobi

10-03-2003, 09:23 AM

Yeah, our frog got pretty edgy last night. He denied being one of the typical guests that Jimmy has "relations," with. I won't actually get into the details of the his other comment--let's just say that one of the guests made a comment about some of her more "personal" body parts, and Kermit responded "that's more than I can say!" If you saw it, I'm sure you noticed, and if not, then someone else can tell you, because I don't really want to think about the implications of that comment. :o

Still, it was pretty funny. I really don't mind the edginess, since it's so late at night and it's just the general tone of the show. Steve is doing a great job keeping Kermit involved in the interviews and segments, and keeping him hip enough to seem like he fits in naturally. I'm really getting a kick out of :boo: and :sleep: as well--their comments are such classic exchanges between the two.

In short, hooray for the Muppets! :)

Zack the Dog

10-03-2003, 10:53 AM

Hey does anyone know what Kermit said when that comic told Jimmy the other night "what you couldn't get the robot from lost in space?" Kermit said "he wasn't avaiable" but then kinda muttered, "now that's enough of that" and gave a sheesh face. It was something like that,, i've listened to it a few times now. Kermit biting back? He shoulda said it louder! :)

I also liked the "Kermit? Termite!" thing, with that kid, I thought he said Kermit too at first. ;)

beaker

10-03-2003, 12:51 PM

I am 100% completely happy with this whole week of Muppets on Jimmy Kimmel. I loved everyminute of Animal on there, Statler and Waldorf, and of course Kermit. Kermit proves, that no matter what kind of offensive shiatsu storm Jimmy or guests throw, he can handle it. And thats what I like about Kermit.
I remember some truly unruly comments during the Muppetfest q&a and Kermit handled it fine...and *this* is why he's the Muppet leader! ^_^

The 'omg his voice is so off' debate I think is obsolete. I don't think any regular person watching tv is going "I do say Nigel, prey tell what kind of poppycock is this 24.7% decibels off doppleganger faux Animal?"

As for the recent 'edgy' debate...hey, c'mon, it's 2003, almost 2004.
Most polls show kids and teens are out of touch with the Mupepts (as far as the Muppet Show Muppets) and that the crux of their audience is the late teen to older crowd. While there is zippo JHC/Muppet news, I hope to see more of these great appearences to make up for it in the meantime.

Daffyfan2003

10-03-2003, 01:52 PM

Kermit then was getting frisky with Sarah Silverman, (who wasn't rude to him like I thought she seemed on the Killborn show last year.)
Also going back to Wensday night, Kermit has said....(porn) on tv before, which was on the Killborn show.

Yeah, I've noticed the chemistry between Kermit and Sarah. I sort of thought she didn't like him when they were on the Kilborn show. Maybe, she was just aggressive while playing Yambo, or whatever that game was. I also noticed that it was an error where Kermit says he's never said "porn" on TV. Maybe, he was referring to "The Muppet Show" or "Sesame Street" and wasn't talking about talk show interviews. Just my guess.

Daffyfan2003

10-03-2003, 01:56 PM

Or maybe Rowlf...I'd love to see him get a decent comeback.

I had a feeling somebody would say that in response to my post. Yeah, it would be great to see more of Rowlf, but I still don't know how often the Henson company wants to use him. I don't know if they want to keep him retired as a tribute to Jim or not. We'll have to wait and see.

1. Watch play off games.
2. Clean your room.
3. Decide what to have for dinner.
4. Look at the menu and see what they're serving
5. Realize you're the only person on these threads who still makes lists like these.
6. Try to think of what else to do while waiting 120 seconds.

toyzboy

10-03-2003, 04:10 PM

Yeah, I've noticed the chemistry between Kermit and Sarah.

Well, Sara was on the FOX show "Greg the Bunny". [If you don't know, it was a parody of children's shows, where the puppets have real life problems (ie, ex-wives, alcholism, etc). I personally thought it was a great show.] ANYWAY, therefore, she's very experienced interacting 'naturally' with puppets, so it probably came naturally to her.

Crazy Harry

10-03-2003, 05:41 PM

Kermit and Frank singing the alphabet together seemed surprisingly sweet for this type of show.

:)

Erine81981

10-03-2003, 05:51 PM

Well I've loved every episode can't wait for tonights last show. Hope they have at least some other muppets other then Kermit, Staler and Wolrudf(bad spelling)
That was sweet to see a Fank and Kermit have a sesions together. Loved how Kermit couldn't take some of what Frank was talking about. Well last night, that is unless he's on some other nights? Here's to Jimmy and the rest of the crew for having Kermit and friends on his show. Like some one said it may bring out how alot of people love to watch muppets even w/ out their all their friends.

KERMITS ON TONIGHT!!!! WATCH IT!!!

frogboy4

10-03-2003, 06:24 PM

I'm thinking that Statler and Waldorf were the surprise. :sleep: :boo: :sympathy:

JohnFranklin

10-03-2003, 07:31 PM

i'm getting set to head on ovet to the el capitan tonight. i'll be backstage for tonight's show. can't wait!

jf

NikZane

10-03-2003, 09:08 PM

No surprise Muppet last night, but maybe tonight?

I hoping that tonight, being the finally for Kermit's co-hosting, that we'll have a plethora of guest Muppets.

I can dream can't I? :D

Born2Roll

10-03-2003, 10:00 PM

I've enjoyed seeing Kermit on air lately, I only wish I wasn't in Philadelphia so that I could make a LIVE live show myself. Last night (Thursday) was the best yet because Steve seems to be really comfortable now. Kermit was a little stiff and ill at ease Monday night, but he's keeping up effortlessly now and has had some great zingers of his own (who can ever think of the "Shaft" theme the same way again?). Statler and Woldorf are STILL the ZingMasters though.

There's something that makes Kermit all the more alive when he interacts with an audience and other performers in a totally unscripted format. Tonight's show hasn't even started yet and already I've started hoping we'll be seeing more of Kerm or any Muppet again soon. I've thought up the ultimate Muppet dream-gig. Ready? Hosting Saturday Night Live. (let it sink in) How phenomenal would that be? Imagine Kermit being in every sketch and acting (and being treated) just like any other host. Not a muppet, just another bit actor. Seeing one muppet play a night's worth of characters would be hilarious. I haven't seen SNL in awhile so these scenarios are old, but imagine Miss Piggy in a Mr. Peepers sketch or Pepe playing the new cheerleader for the Spartan squad. The Newsman on Weekend Update. Someone call Lorne Michaels!

Now this post is plenty long already (it's my first though so go easy on me!), but there is one last point I'd like to make. Jim Henson never wanted to be a puppeteer for children alone. While he has certainly made the world a touch better through the magic he brought to Sesame Street, I've read that at the time he was torn about taking the job because of the fear of being pigeon-holed as kids' stuff. He certainly loved children, but he was also in love with showing the world the artistry of puppetry and taking it FAR beyond kids' birthday parties. The beautiful irony of my SNL suggestion is that Muppets were a part of that show at it's very beginnings. Basically, while I value quality programming for children, I don't think that's ever the way Jim wanted his characters to be seen. So for everyone complaining of the crassness and crudeness Kermit's being subjected to, you're welcome to your own taste in humor but I know Jim is smiling wherever he is.

... As long as there's nothing better to do at night there than watch TV, of course.

Fireimps87

10-03-2003, 10:18 PM

:) got little Undies! ^__^ XD

Buck-Beaver

10-03-2003, 10:24 PM

OK, I loved it when - in tonight's episode during the "Kerminator" sketch - Kermit is beating the thug senseless and pauses to say "I call this the Rainbow Connection" before he floors the guy with an uppercut. I was in stitches! :)

That was possibly the best Kermit moment EVER.

Crazy Harry

10-04-2003, 01:05 AM

I think we all know why human woman want to become groupies for the Muppets.

NikZane

10-04-2003, 02:10 AM

BoyRaisin2

10-04-2003, 02:38 AM

OK, I missed Thursday's episode AND Friday's episode.

I can't say the "ps" word so:

Crap :rolleyes:

Crap :mad:

Crap :grouchy:

All I had to do was set the timer.

Skeeter Muppet

10-04-2003, 08:43 AM

Finally caught an episode last night, and boy was it funny! The "Kerminator" segment cracked me up, as did the remark about women being Muppet fan groupies. The moment I heard that line I thought, "Oh, they're gonna be talking about that one on the forum tomorrow!" The thing with the underwear was great too, especially after the commercial break when Kermit had it on.

:sleep::The guy before Jimmy Kimmel was funnier.
:boo:: Who, Bill Mahr?
:sleep:: No, Ted Koppel.

They would say that...

-Kim

Erine81981

10-04-2003, 09:28 AM

Enjoyed all of it. I'm glad Kermit was a host w/ Kimmel. When I first heard this I thought he was going to host not be on w/ Kimmel but it was still great. I hope he either gets to go on LetterMen or Leno sometime in the future. That was funny. Laughing my butt off when I saw "The Kermintor." I also like a little of Frank and Kermit again too. Hope this helps in a show for the muppets. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! !! :)

turlem

10-04-2003, 10:45 AM

Mklonstage

10-04-2003, 12:12 PM

Could we also get a deccription of thursdyas show, i am in a play and missed both due to performances (well and cast parties)

Zack the Dog

10-04-2003, 12:38 PM

Yup Statler & Waldorf were the only other suprise, unless they had other Muppets that they planed but didn't have time to fit into the show. Firday was a great day for Kermit, but i think the rest of the show was bad! LOL i mean like all the other guest and stuff, it was boring besides Kermit, but i guess that was all week:-)

Oh and they showed more of Kermit and Uncle Frank!!! LOL! I wonder if the next show they might play more of that tape even if Kermit isn't there anymore, Jimmy said they taped for "about" an hour.

If you missed Firdays show you missed a good one! Like everyone else I loved the mini Kermit movie! :) "I call this the rainbow connection!!"

zack,

turlem

10-04-2003, 12:47 PM

well it bugs me, but as long as i didn't miss any other muppets (especially rowlf)

Crazy Harry

10-04-2003, 04:17 PM

Kermit and Frank;
Kermit asks Frank if he's ever been to England. Frank says he's been to Europe three times, but never England. They start talking about the different countries. Kemit mentions that all human females want to be Muppet groupies. Frank begins paying Kermit compliments. Kermit asks if he them in a gay way (he really did say that). Frank explains that he jusy ment Kermit was a fun guy to be around.

Kermit and Jimmy talk about how Kermit is always typecasted. Kermit says that with Arnold in pollitics, there could be room in the action movie business.

Kermit's action movie (which has nothing to do with the Terminator);
Kermit walks into a bar with a leather jacket and shades. He asks for grasshoppers all around, and the bartender gives him a green drink. Kermit asks, "What's this? I asked for a GRASSHOPPER". A woman comes up and starts hitting on Kermit. The woman's boyfriend comes up and tries to pick a fight with Kermit. Kermit tries to talk his way out of it until the guy throws his shades to the ground and steps on them. That's when the violence starts.
Guy, "You think it's hard being green? Try being black and blue."
:) "I call this the Rainbow Connection." then gives him a hard left left, knocking a few teeth out.
Kermit wins the fight and takes the woman back to his 'pad'. Kermit playing his banjo and singing to the woman in a swamp.
:) "There's no better place for a romp, then in a swamp."
Kermit kisses the woman on the lips and turns into uncle Frank in a king's crown and robe. The woman runs away screaming.
Frank in Kermit's voice, "Happens everytime."

Jimmy give Kermit a pair of breifs. Kermit says he'll put them on durring the commercials, but Jimmy just puts them over his head. Kermit shakes them off his head and into his hand.
:) "I can't beleave I caught that."

Cousin Sal, "There's some long haired guy behind the couch touching Kermit." (I can't use his exact words)
:) "We just couldn't go the whole week without someone saying that."

Mark Filton

10-04-2003, 07:04 PM

turlem

10-04-2003, 07:24 PM

I am so glad it is over :D

When I think of Jim Henson talking to Kermit on the bench in the statue I want to vomit when I think of Kermit sitting on a couch with the people on a show as dirty as Kimmel.

Moderator Frog I agree with. Johnny or Pepe would have been perfect.

Kermit is too sweet and he is a legend that the guests ignored.

Animal sounded awful :grouchy:

Goodbye Kimmel. I will try to foreget it as soon as possible :boo:

i agree things did goa bit far w/ kermit. The daily show interview should be the limit, but the muppets are meant to be adults, rowlf has made several references to drinking beer and it ain't a big dea, but i think itm was a little far on kimmel.

And animal's voice did suck, who was that? you'd think he'd be an easier voice

Squigiman

10-04-2003, 08:04 PM

Hey,
I gotta sa, it was nice seeing Kermit, as well as S&W, I was very dissappointed with the show, in general. Then again, that seems to be the concensus, around here, so nothing new. I do have all five episodes taped, so in case anyone missed, and maybe has some Muppety specials or stuff I don't have, a trade could very well be arranged. Lastly, a question to Jamie. You said Animal was confirmed as Bill, but was supposed to be Steve. How could this have been possible, if Steve was busy with Kermit? As a side note, that is some AMAZING Muppet art on your site. I can't believe they're drawn. They look really photo-realistic. Nice work! Take care.

-Squigiman

frogboy4

10-04-2003, 08:12 PM

WiGgY

10-04-2003, 09:03 PM

I said Bill was the confirmed performer or Statler, not Animal. I said he probably performed Animal. I saw him underneath the drums.

Bill played Statler? Why not Steve? I thought Steve was the alternate.

frogboy4

10-04-2003, 09:27 PM

Just worked out that way. Noting magical about it. Warrick reports it came from a good source. Technically Statler is only assigned to Nelson and has no official understudy. :boo: :sing:

JohnFranklin

10-04-2003, 11:28 PM

bill did do animal's voice on wed.

the fight scene on friday was filmed in the "green room" of the jimmy kimmel show.

three kermits were used to film friday's show.

jf

inturnaround

10-04-2003, 11:54 PM

I enjoyed this week. I get the feeling that some people here feel that the Muppets should exist in a time warp, frozen from all external influences. I think the Muppets should (and do) reflect the show they're on.

Kermit wouldn't tell the same jokes on Wayne Brady that he would have told on Jimmy Kimmel or "I Love the 70s". I have no problem with this. In fact, I am really impressed at Steve's ability to ad lib throughout the week.

I guess a lot of people want Kermit to be "family entertainment". As some have pointed out, he never was intended to be that. Sure, he's not as blue as the Gorch Muppets, and certainly not as vulgar as Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, but Kermit has a great edge sometime that always makes me laugh.

I think a lot of people who are complaining about Kermit's treatment on the show are unfamiliar with the show and its format as well as its host. Heck, every cohost has had jokes directed at them...it's just the nature of the show. It doesn't mean Jimmy doesn't like them. It's just the kind of humor he's known for.

In short, I think that a lot of younger college age fans have been reborn with the Kermit revisit. Kermit's evolving and I, for one, am enjoying it.

frogboy4

10-05-2003, 01:25 AM

I've seen the show before and have the same complaints with or without Kermit. I feel Kimmel is such an underwhelming host, that he tries to deflect attention from that fact in every way he can - hence the rotating co host. I have never really found him funny. It's not necessarily because he's offensive, but that he's just not that sharp. He's pretty lowsy at interviewing guests. Didn't like him on Stein, The Man Show, Crank Yankers or this new talk show. Knowing ABC's cancel-happy nature, it will probably get the axe next year.

I agree that Kermit's wit should reflect the context of his performance. Not many stars do that, but Whitmire has proven to be very good at it. Bill Barretta, appears to be one of the most spontaneous and funny of the performers these days. I wish Pepe had been on and set Kimmel straight.

JohnFranklin

10-05-2003, 01:48 AM

I wish Pepe had been on and set Kimmel straight.

you may get your wish

jf

Aaron

10-05-2003, 12:33 PM

how

sarah_yzma

10-05-2003, 07:35 PM

you may get your wish

jf
ok that I would watch and understand a lot better....either Pepe or...well Pepe....he would be perfect for Kimmel

now on Letterman, I would like to see Piggy or Johnny....as Jamie said they would keep him on his toes, and it would work out great, in my opinion..

JF, I hope you keep us updated....or I will tickle you

Mark Filton

10-05-2003, 10:12 PM

Even though the thread is winding down I still want to say that yes the Muppets are for adults too and some of them smoke and drink beer but there is no way I want my Kermit sitting around guys who are talking about masturbation.

BOOO! :boo:

The new statue is so beautiful. Seeing Kermit sitting there with those idiots makes me want to run up to that TV show and take him back :D

Put Johhny or Pepe in there then I'll agree with it.

Kermit is too sweet :) for that junk.

Stupid direction for Kermit. Is this the new Henson company??? :grouchy:

Yuck :D

JohnFranklin

10-05-2003, 11:02 PM

JF, I hope you keep us updated....or I will tickle you

if i can, i will. i have probably already said to much! i wish i could tell just a fraction of the stuff i know about...the future....

it's all good....

jf

Robin

10-06-2003, 12:25 AM

I think Gonzo and Rizzo would have been better than Kermit to host
The Jimmy Kimmel show. They work well together and they can get away with being blue.

I don't mind blue comedy being a comic myself. Jim Henson would be rolling over in his grave if he new how Kermit is becoming less
and less the frog he created. When Jims hand left kermit so went the sole and heart of giant from the swamp. Who are we kidding!!!! When I want Kermit I watch real Kermit! Who saddly passed away about 13 years ago. The Henson Company needs quality control really really bad!!! I hope the young muppet fans
realize how sad this really is. It like the parents (Henson and Oz) gave the keys
of the castle to the kids and they burned the house down!!!!

Henson was such a smart comic he could be funny without being crude.
Steve is a great muppeteer and I love Rizzo. That is his baby. He does a great Kermit voice and movement. I think Steve needs to keep Kermit with the Henson personallity or not use him at all. It would be better to just make new ones.

I'm old school Muppets and I need to be heard!!!!!!!

frogboy4

10-06-2003, 01:36 AM

Oh, I don't believe that one bit. I think Kermit still has a lot of his original soul. If anything, he's a bit more youthful and spritely these days, but that's not a bad thing at all. Jim's genius will never be matched and I'm glad that Steve tries to bring something a little different to his take on Kermit. Otherwise he'd just be a faded facsimile rather than Whitmire's vibrant performance as the top frog. I think Jim has been deified by many fans since his death. He had a sharp side to him too and I see that in today's Kermit. It's best not to speculate about what Jim would feel about Steve's perfromance. Personally, I think Whitmire does the frog proud. :)

Let's just hope he gets better gigs than Kimmel. :sleep: :boo:

Fozzie Bear

10-06-2003, 08:29 AM

Not to mention that Jim did state that he wanted Steve to take over Kermit.

Robin

10-06-2003, 08:47 AM

Not to mention that Jim did state that he wanted Steve to take over Kermit.

I like Steve's work. I Just don't like that Kermit needs to change.
Kermit was always portrayed a certian way. It is now like Kermit the teenage years. Yes! no matter what anyone says Kermit was better with Jim.
That is not to say Steve is bad or untalented. Steve is great and of course
I don't think anyone could do a better Job. Yes, I laugh at what he does with Kermit.

Kermit was such an extention of Jim. That is why I'm an old school advocate of the muppets.

Kimmel is funny by the way. I like his show. Kermit never had to sink to his level.
I was very impressed wit S&W. they sounded and acted more like the originals than any other time I've seen them since the passing of both Richard and Jim.

I'm not trying to anger anyone. I'm just a conservative muppet fan!!!!
I love the Muppets very much.

jediX

10-06-2003, 11:05 AM

Kermit was such an extention of Jim. That is why I'm an old school advocate of the muppets.

I've always preferred the Jim-era stuff anyway.

Robin

10-06-2003, 11:36 AM

I've always preferred the Jim-era stuff anyway.

Cool!!!! You know the Christmas at Fozzies Farm house is a special that I enjoy watching every Christmas, because it reminds me of how good the muppets were at there peak. How much Jim loved his muppets. It leaves me with such happy feelings. Lets see Kimmel do that!!! lol lol

NikZane

10-06-2003, 11:49 AM

i wish i could tell just a fraction of the stuff i know about...the future....

Ooh ooh... you're an oracle...??

I just have a few questions:

...is Neo *really* the one?

...are Terminator robots *really* coming from the future to destroy, then save, then destroy, then save again, my buddy John & his mom Sarah?

...is transporter & transwarp technology *really* going to become a reality?

Thanx in advance :)

Fozzie Bear

10-06-2003, 12:05 PM

...is transporter & transwarp technology *really* going to become a reality? :)

No, but soon you'll be able to send yourself to Texas at a shipment rate.

WiGgY

10-06-2003, 12:32 PM

No, but soon you'll be able to send yourself to Texas at a shipment rate.

I only saw one show last week so I can't really talk about how Kermit acted, but I do think that Kermit always had an adult wit to him. I don't know exactly what Kermit said last week, but I doubt it was anything too bad.

When you are on a show that works blue you have to work blue or else get lost without being heard. I do wish that Kermit had not been booked on the show at all though, but they wanted a venue to push the DVD and thats who would take Kermit all week I guess.

I would like to see Kermit guest host for Dave at some point, or maybe rotate various muppet characters throughout the week. We all know that Pepe in a suit is funny and that Pepe could make a great host. Jonny as a host would work well too. You could have Rowlf in there too. Then have Kermit, Gonzo, and Rizzo all as hosts. Maybe have Rizzo and Gonzo could host together like a Conan and Andy type thing. Basically, I think the muppets need to completly take over one show for at least one night to show the public just what they can do these days.

Robin

10-06-2003, 01:11 PM

Sorry,
I have to disagree. If you are booked on a show that does blue you don't have to also be blue. You can take the high ground. Besides Kermit won't do blue, he does green.

JohnFranklin

10-06-2003, 05:27 PM

...is Neo *really* the one?

i really hope so because if i have to sit through another boring two hour film filled with nothing but slow fighting and video game effects, then i will murder someone.

...are Terminator robots *really* coming from the future to destroy, then save, then destroy, then save again, my buddy John & his mom Sarah?

yes. i have been on the ride at universal studios.

...is transporter & transwarp technology *really* going to become a reality?

it has been for years, remember? we just haven't told the dumb people about it......ooops!

kidding, of course.

jf

Crazy Harry

10-06-2003, 06:06 PM

I don't see what everyone's so upset about.
Anything Kermit said about sex has few and not all that blunt.
He never cursed once the whole week.
I just don't see what's so bad.

RobintheBrave

10-06-2003, 07:32 PM

Hi! I don't post on here much because I don't have time to keep up on all the threads, but I wanted to clarify something. Adult entertainment does not equal sexual humor. Yes, Jim Henson wanted to appeal to adults with the Muppets, but not at the expense of creating something that parents would feel uncomfortable letting their children see. Consider "The Jim Henson Hour." This was a cutting-edge show that experimented with doing new things for television that were inteligent and entertaining. Yet it was still a show that anyone in the family could enjoy. I didn't have a chance to see any of the Kimmel shows, but reading some of the dialoge that was on it really disappoints me. I think it's disturbing to hear Kermit questioning a guy's sexuality. Maybe some people think that's modern comedy, but I don't think comedy is dependent on refering to sex or other body functions. I think the Muppets are selling themselves out cheap if they want to limit themeselves to that kind of humor. They can be hilarious for adults without sex jokes and be a haven for those of us that quickly grow tired of such material.

Just some thoughts,

Robin the Brave

Super Scooter

10-06-2003, 08:21 PM

Robinthebrave, the Muppets have always used a degree of sexual humor. There are plenty of TMS episodes with inuendo in them, if even a small bit. The Raquel Welch episode was full of it. And I'd like to know what Gonzo was thinking hitting on Big Bird in the Leslie Uggams episode! Muppets Tonight was loaded with it.

"Michelle's taking her robe off!"
*Muppets crowd around Michelle Pfeiffer*
"Miss Piggy's taking her robe off!"
*Muppets run away*

"Nice balloons, mind if I play with them later?"
SMACK!

Do I even need to mention Spamela Hamderson?

Frank Oz said it himself! He said Animal revolves around five things, and five things only. Food, SEX, drums, and I forget the other two.

I agree completely with you, however. Sex is not all there is to comedy. People these days think it is, but it isn't. Comedy is to make people laugh, and sex really isn't all that funny anyway. :p

Robin

10-06-2003, 09:46 PM

There is room for sexual humor. It has to be smart and suggestive. Not in your face. "So you do Ben?" that would be funny comming from Rizzo or Pepe.

See my whole point is Kermit is who he is, and he would never use fowl language or say anything out of his character. Kermit was a sell out on the Kimmel show. It comes down to strapping Steve to a chair and making him see
how Kermit is supposed to behave, by him watching the Henson Kermit(the real Kermit).

I remember when I was in sixth grade and I discovered I could do a pretty good Mickey Mouse voice so I'd say things like "ha ha Minnie lets go behind the barn
and @#$@. That is funny when your 12 and with your friends. To me it was like Kimmel got his hands on a Kermit puppet and made it say anything he wanted like he was 12 and with his friends. This is why the Muppets are
no longer as successful as they once where. Brian needs to pull this back together and set the ship right again.

I swear, I love sex, and all the humor involved in it. So don't think I'm an uptight prude. I just can't except that comming from Kermit.

Kermit is loving and sacred amongst all muppets. Get as raunchy as you want with muppets you'd expect that from, but by God! Do NOT!!! ruin Kermit!!

CousinLuke

10-07-2003, 07:56 AM

I remember when I was in sixth grade and I discovered I could do a pretty good Mickey Mouse voice so I'd say things like "ha ha Minnie lets go behind the barn and @#$@. That is funny when your 12 and with your friends. To me it was like Kimmel got his hands on a Kermit puppet and made it say anything he wanted like he was 12 and with his friends.
I would hope that you see a difference in ehat you made Mickey say and "So you get to do Ben?" While that is not the cleanest thing he has ever said,He didn't use any profanity that I remember and was still one of the cleanest guests of the week. I would prefer that the obvious sexual diolauge be kept to Pepe and Rizzo and even then at a minimum, but it was okay. I wish he was on a show that appreciated him more and didn't make jokes about Steve controlling Kermit.

Robin

10-07-2003, 08:44 AM

I would hope that you see a difference in ehat you made Mickey say and "So you get to do Ben?" .

Yes, I know the difference... I had to clearly illistrate my thoughts with colorful comparisons that had little to do with reality and everything to do with mind set.

Rizzo, Pepe, and Gonzo could co-host a show and be as funny and as vulgar they want.

I'd love it!!! They have the best chemestry together now that Jim is gone and Frank retired.

AnthonyF3

10-07-2003, 12:07 PM

Wow.

I can't believe this much has been said about the Jimmy Kimmel show.

RobintheBrave

10-07-2003, 05:24 PM

I agree completely with you, however. Sex is not all there is to comedy. People these days think it is, but it isn't. Comedy is to make people laugh, and sex really isn't all that funny anyway. :p

Hi! Thanks for understanding. Some people might think I'm snobbish for saying what I did, but I'm glad you see my point on that. :D A few more thoughts, though.

Muppets Tonight! was made after Jim Henson's death and thus not while the Muppets were at their best. As for innuendos on The Muppet Show, I would maintain that they were much, much milder than some of the things Muppets have said lately. TMS innuendos were equivalent to Looney Tunes characters going ga-ga over a picture of a model or something like that and not something that would make a parent uncomfortable if they were watching it with their kids. Finally, I lost a lot of respect for Frank Oz when I heard he would make Yoda curse people out on the set of Episode I.

As for Kermit being more innocent and letting Gonzo, Rizzo, and Pepe be as vulgar as they want, it just makes me think of a server asking me, "How would you like your Muppet humor today, sexual or non-sexual?" I would rather there not be a choice and let it all remain non-sexual. But that's just me. :)

Robin the Brave

frogboy4

10-07-2003, 05:32 PM

The Muppets have always reflected the times. They got stuck in a retro rut back in the 90s, but it's good to see they're coming back into the mainstream.

Super Scooter

10-07-2003, 08:58 PM

Finally, I lost a lot of respect for Frank Oz when I heard he would make Yoda curse people out on the set of Episode I.
See, there's another thing. Yoda IS NOT a Muppet. And Jim has had Kermit say "What the ----?" He's had Rowlf say "Son of a -----!" It's not just the lack of Jim that these things come up. Jim used them himself, but it's what people perceive that's the problem. Many feel the Muppets are strictly for childreen, and while I'm sure that's not how you feel, it's how many do feel, and find it shocking to hear a Muppet act like any real person. There were several times on Kimmel where Kermit held back, too.

I don't often swear, I use euphamisms plenty, unfortunately, so I understand what your prolem with it is.

frogboy4

10-07-2003, 09:11 PM

To be honest. part of the problem is the post Jim branding of the Muppets as "family entertainment." I really hate that term. It's like "family values." Why does everything have to be about families? The Muppets have always been more inclusive than that. The Muppet Show was for everybody. It was pretty out-there, but we don't see just what a revolutionary show it was because we just see it as classic television.

The classic Muppets were never blue, but they weren't saints. The biggest modern day reference I can use is the Simpsons. It's not a great comparison. The Muppets are not as jaded and have a lot more heart, but they also have teeth. Teeth I found lacking in MCC and MTI. Those films just seemed a little on the kid-friendly side to me. Kids are sharp. They'll pick up what's good and sly humor easily goes over their heads. I'm not saying that those were kid films, but they seemed a little more kid marketed. I kind of blame Disney for that.

That era is over and Kermit has a little more wit, Pepe likes the ladies and Fozzie is no longer mentally challenged. That really bugged me in particular. He turned into a crazy person for a little while, :o

The only crazy ones should be Harry and Gonzo. :concern: :crazy:

Robin

10-07-2003, 09:42 PM

The Muppets have always reflected the times. They got stuck in a retro rut back in the 90s, but it's good to see they're coming back into the mainstream.

Yes, I think the potential is there for a great Muppet comeback!!! I think the Henson Company has been trying very hard to do this for years and have failed. It's so sad its in Master Card comercials, and smutty late night TV.

The Muppets need to invent a show like "The Great Gonzo Experience" and have it be a reality show with 7 real folks, and they have to interact with Gonzo , Pepe, and Rizzo. The catch is they have to live in a Space shuttle for three weeks or a submarine. They can only use new muppets or classic muppets whose originator is still the muppeteer.

Gonzo, Rizzo and Pepe. Right now are the BEST Muppets and the great hope for the franchise. They are the only Muppets I feel are strong enough at this point character wise to pull off the comeback. Kermit, Miss Piggy, Fozzie need to take a back seat until I can't tell if Frank came out of retirement and Jim has returned from the grave!!!!!!

PS
Congrats Arnold!!!!!!

frogboy4

10-07-2003, 10:16 PM

Many fans would disagree with that. They tried it with Muppets Tonight with quite a few criticisms from fans and the public at large. When they see Muppets, they want to see Kermit, Piggy and Fozzie Bear. i think their performers do a fantastic job. Even Entertainment Weekly thought that was Frank's performance in the Christmas special. You've got to think about the general auds as well as fans. They want to see the classics in big positions. New stuff is just as necessary. It's about balance. not exclusion.

thefozz

10-08-2003, 12:13 AM

I'm not suprised by some of the "controversy" Kermit's apperances on the Kimmell show brought up last week.

Kimmell's is a very adult-oriented show. As previously mentioned, his humor is very crude, low-brow, and often tasteless. And this is what his audience enjoys and expects out of him.

Having seen most of the episodes last week, what I noticed is that Kermit pretty much played it straight off the start. He kept his jokes and references clean. But I noticed that his humor wasn't drawing many laughs from the audience (no surpise -- not necesarilly because Kermit wasn't being funny, but moreso because of the audience he was performing for). As the week went on, it seemed like Kermit did slip in more "adult" gags, probably because he was feeling the pressure to draw laughs out of a crowd that was obviously not going to laugh at your normal Kermit humor.

Additionally, as also has been mentioned in this thread, when Kermit's "clean" jokes were bombing with the audience, Kimmell appeared to try and distance himself from this "unhip" and "unfunny" (again, these are not my views, but I'm looking at it from the manner in which the audience treated the situation) co-host by making fun of Kermit and the situation. I think this all added pressure to have Kermit spice it up a bit and try to fit in.

I enjoyed seeing Kermit on TV for a whole week, especially with something that will expose him to the now generation. But I don't think the Jimmy Kimmell Show was a great setting for him.

That's my take.

NikZane

10-08-2003, 05:45 PM

That little skater kid was great tho, being a skateboard myself, I really enjoyed his segment.

lol... ok, so my fiancé has been reading my posts and kindly pointing out my typos... in this one, I'm a skateboard. Heh.

WiGgY

10-08-2003, 06:36 PM

Yes, I think the potential is there for a great Muppet comeback!!! I think the Henson Company has been trying very hard to do this for years and have failed. It's so sad its in Master Card comercials, and smutty late night TV.

The Muppets need to invent a show like "The Great Gonzo Experience" and have it be a reality show with 7 real folks, and they have to interact with Gonzo , Pepe, and Rizzo. The catch is they have to live in a Space shuttle for three weeks or a submarine. They can only use new muppets or classic muppets whose originator is still the muppeteer.

Gonzo, Rizzo and Pepe. Right now are the BEST Muppets and the great hope for the franchise. They are the only Muppets I feel are strong enough at this point character wise to pull off the comeback. Kermit, Miss Piggy, Fozzie need to take a back seat until I can't tell if Frank came out of retirement and Jim has returned from the grave!!!!!!

PS
Congrats Arnold!!!!!!

You're nuts.

I think too much pressure has been put on the muppets by the fans since Jim Henson's death. It's like everything has to be gold. I've seen a lot of the old stuff and it's not all fantastic. People complain about MCC and MTI, but they were pretty funny movies. MTI had a lot of humor that wasn't just for the family. Besides, who doesn't love an action adventure muppet movie? Also, MCC and MTI made just as much money as MTM or GMC only TMM was a HUGE success.

Anyway, the muppets have been drunk, the muppets have talked about sex, the muppets have cursed, and the muppets have done a lot of other adult oriented stuff. Nothin Kermit did was horrible. He didn't say he got high and banged Piggy, he didn't say he busted a cap in some mo' fo's ***, and he didn't kill anyone! Leave the frog alone! I doubt the JHC would want to do anymore appearences if each one got torn apart.

Robin

10-08-2003, 08:39 PM

You're nuts.

Yes, that would be correct! So is everyone else on this web site!!! lol lol:crazy:

The muppets should do a movie about Kermit running against Bush for president as the "Green Party" Candidtate in 04.

The Muppets shoud do a movie about Gonzo and Rizzo's frantic search for Camilla at the Buffalo NY Chicken Wing Fest.

The Muppets should do a movie about Pepe being lost and other Muppets hear rumors that he ended up in a shrimp cocktail.

In horror and disbelief the Muppets set out to New Orleans to find him. When they get there, they discover Pepe at a Shrimp "Cocktail party", and he is in a smoking jacket holding a martini Relaxing with many others of his kind.

"This is not a shrimp cocktail party okay. This is a King Prong Cocktail party okay!!!! :rolleyes:

Fozzie Bear

10-09-2003, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by WiGgY
You're nuts.

Yes, that would be correct! So is everyone else on this web site!!! lol

I'm not nuts! I'm just crazy!!

Mark Filton

10-09-2003, 12:01 PM

Kimmel is a LOUSY show right from the start :D

All you have to do is watch it for a week to find out. Kermit was largely ignored by the other guests, the other guests and Kimmel spoke dirty sometimes, one guest said something about "couldn't you get the Lost in Space Robot?' which was not nice at all, and somebody else had to give a description of Whitmire while performing, which spoils the Muppet magic completely :cry:

It was a stupid decision for the Henson company, and there were certainly no serious fans of the Muppets on the Kimmel show, and no special care was taken to avoid the ugliness of things like having our beloved Kermit sitting next to masturbation jokes, and having a dork pointing out Whitmire.

Go for Letterman or Leno. Go for some CLASS or don't throw the MOST IMPORTANT MUPPET into a stupid unfunny and filthy show :grouchy:

I'll remember the good times of Henson Kermit on the Tonight Show with Carson. Flush Whitmire Kermit with Kimmel into the commode where it belongs.

Henson company should go with class. Whitmire and Letterman or Leno would be good.

Incredible stupidity from the people who own Kermit.

AS USUAL!!!!! :grouchy:

Crazy Harry

10-09-2003, 12:32 PM

This is getting us nowhere.

Robin

10-09-2003, 12:51 PM

This is getting us nowhere.

It's sending a message to the Henson Company that the fans won't settle for this crap. This franchise means too much to me to have this abuse take place.

I don't think any one from the Henson Company would have the balls to confront me on this issue.

This has nothing to do with Kimmel! He is funny and so is his uncle Frank.
Kermit dose not nor should he conribute to that style of comedy.
I would like to see other muppets do it but not Kermit he is the nice guy, sort of the head CEO of the Muppets. He would be the one to cringe and discipline other
Muppets for crossing the line wich would be OK. Not Kermit!!!!!

Half the people on this site did not live thru the muppet glory days.
I experienced it all and it seems to me that others who have agree with me.

I wish I worked there, and I had power! The Muppets would be more what we were used to, and I could make them edgy and cool without the crasp, insulting, and very dissapointing new muppet personalities of the classic characters we love!!!

Fozzie Bear

10-09-2003, 01:35 PM

Incredible stupidity from the people who own Kermit.

Well, let's just hope they don't decide to sell out to any other companies for a long time!!

I have been around the Muppets since I was a kid, and I don't have a problem with anything that I have heard about. He's playing to a particular audience, and was reserved from it for a while, but when you're dying on stage you either pull out and get off the stage, or you play to that audience. It's not a kids show or a family show, it's a show for adults, and if parents let their kids see it then they're the ones with the problem.

Just watch Kermit, you'll notice he works the audience to find out what their humor level is on, then plays to that audience. Whether it's on Wayne Brady, Jimmy Kimmel, or Hollywood Squares.

Of course, at this point and time, JHC will have him on Kimmel in order to rope back in that audience to the muppet core fandom. If it means being a little crude, then there you go.

Robin

10-09-2003, 01:53 PM

No! Kermit will bomb on a show like Kimmel. Where as Rizzo would not.
You people are not listening to what your reading!!! Kermit should stay away from that stuff!!!

frogboy4

10-09-2003, 01:55 PM

It's sending a message to the Henson Company that the fans won't settle for this crap. This franchise means too much to me to have this abuse take place.

It would be best to complain about your own observations rather than claim that you are representing all of the fans. From what I've been reading on the threads most fans like how Kermit is being performed and I am one of them. :)

Fozzie Bear

10-09-2003, 01:59 PM

Kermit should stay away from that stuff!!!

Don't represent me, but I think you should have your voice heard. Email the opinions here:

fanmail@henson.com

The JHC Folk pop in from time to time and read this forum, but a direct email might be more helpful. :smirk:

Hope it helps!
FOZ

Robin

10-09-2003, 02:02 PM

I'm not the only one. I know that some fans do agree with me too.
I realize I don't represent all Muppet fans. I feel comfortable on my stance
and I do feel its worth debate.

frogboy4

10-09-2003, 03:16 PM

Crazy Harry

10-09-2003, 04:36 PM

He would be the one to cringe and discipline other
Muppets for crossing the line
No, that's Sam's job. Kermit would never say this type of stuff on any of his own shows, but this is not his show.

Note; When I said This is getting us nowhere, I ment that for a while all we've been doing is ranting and repeating things that have already been said about twenty times in this thread (myself included)

Super Scooter

10-09-2003, 08:30 PM

and somebody else had to give a description of Whitmire while performing, which spoils the Muppet magic completely :cry:
Seeing Steve Whitmire actually performing doesn't ruin the Muppet magic at all, in my opinion. In fact, to me, it heightens the splendidness of the magic behind-the-scenes! I've seen so many documentaries on the Muppets, each one showing what goes on under the puppets, and every time I watch a Muppet movie it a astounds me that there could possibly be two six-foot tall men crouched under Fozzie Bear! Or Rowlf. I still cannot take it in! I've seen them actually performing hundreds of times, and I stil,l cannot picture them doing it while watching a Muppet movie. And where were you during the eighties? Jim Henson was there on screen during almost all of Kermit's tv appearances!

Crazy Harry

10-09-2003, 09:46 PM

Maybe I should have mentioned that after Sal pointed Steve out, both Kermit and Jimmy tried to dismiss him as Kermits "personal assistant".

Mark Filton

10-10-2003, 01:17 AM

To Super Scooter :D

Yes, Jim Henson DID sit there with Kermit out in the open, as he did with Doozers on the Today Show with Gene Shalit.

Also there was a big run with Kermit on Johnny Carson as himself.

BUT THE BIG difference is NEVER TWO WAYS AT ONCE :concern:

If Jim is with the frog in the open okay, and if perfroming hidden okay, but NEVER do you mess with things once decided.

How many Muppet Show episodes are there were you can see Henson's head?

How is that for a question? :confused:

If the Kimmel people cared they would have had a little talk with all guests and said "please be nice." But they did not. They spoiled the fun by mentioning Whitmire. And all that dirty talk. Kermit always looked awkward there to me.

I am just speaking for me only, and I feel that is the proof of the pudding is that the Kimmel people didn't really care or appreciate, and anybody should expect that because the show is dirty and stupid all the time.

Go for Letterman or Leno and roll the dice with a class act, or toss Pepe or Johnny (my avatar and Italian saying are humour inspired by him) to Kimmel instead.

Kermit deserves the best!!!!! :)

Kimmel is the worst late night show there is

Am I wrong :D

Robin

10-10-2003, 01:44 AM

I agree that you should have your voice heard and you represent some fans, but I don't think it's the majority. The best thing to do is to represent yourself and let those who agree with you write their own letters.

I am representing myself ,and I don't care to sugar coat this and be a polliticaly correct monkey. I don't need to say Okay folks this is my opinion. Let me make sure everyone knows this. Just in stating what I have said I am sharing MY OPINION!!!!! I do in fact represent a large portion of fans who have no desire to waste time discussing this on a muppet web site because they have lives and they gave up on the Muppets a long time ago.

It seems that we share different views on this and I do appreciate your view point. We make this site a much better site because we are not affraid to share our opposing views with each other. I love that.

How do you really know your in the majority? "In MY OPINION":) If you think the Muppets today are just as good as the originals "In MY OPINION":) You are
quite silly indeed. There is NO WAY TO EVER RECREATE THE MAGIC REPORE THAT JIM AND FRANK HAD wit there muppets (fozzie-Kermit-Ernie-Burt)!!!!!! That said, new Muppet Creations could capture back some of the magic but it will never be the same. as Chris Mathews says "LETS PLAY HARDBALL!!!!"

frogboy4

10-10-2003, 02:29 AM

You are entitled to your opinion, but not to mean-spirited posts. As a moderator, I must ask you to please tone it down. Everyone who participates on this forum has a life. It is not fair to say otherwise. Attacks on other members are unacceptible.

I was offering you friendly advice in writing your letter to Henson. It was not an attack on your point of view even if I do disagree with it. You are welcome to share your thoughts without insulting others or speaking for the rest of us.

You have been representing your view as being from the majority of fans, but it's simply the majority of fans you know. Thousands of fans have visited Muppet Central, Tough Pigs and Palisades Toys forum among others and this is not the general consensus I've seen from the many people around these parts. I have heard your point of view expressed here and there. Keep in mind that these are fans from around the world and not just one region. That's what makes Muppet Central and other forums so great. The bottom line is that you should write the letter from your own heart and conscience.

There is no way anyone can recapture the magic of Jim Henson. The Muppet characters have always evolved and this is yet another step in that evolution. It’s a good thing that Kermit, Fozzie, Ernie and Bert live on reguardless of the context. These are living breathing creations, not time capsules or empty icons. :p :(

Super Scooter

10-10-2003, 09:07 AM

Everyone who participates on this forum has a life.
:confused:

Life? What is this "life" of which you speak?

:cry:

*runs off to cry into pillow*

Zack the Dog

10-10-2003, 09:37 AM

"Thousands of fans have visited Muppet Central, Tough Pigs and Palisades Toys forum among others"

Now with meaning others, you mean DomDeliuse.com right?

I know...pointless info, just trying ta lighten the mood. :)

Zach,

Fozzie Bear

10-10-2003, 09:46 AM

How many Muppet Show episodes are there were you can see Henson's head?

There's a thread here at MC about this somewhere.

Henson and other performers' heads and arms are seen kind of often; in the Jim Henson Hour Secrets of the Muppets, all the performers talk to the camera with their Muppets over their heads!!

And at MuppetFest, there was no magic lost in seeing the puppets on the laps of the performers during Q&A sessions.

It depends on how much fantasy you have in your heart as to whether seeing the performer matters or not. I'm weird, though, and LOOK for that kind of thing.

When Kermit leaves Piggy's dressing room (before she's arrested) in TMTM if you watch the mirror behind her, you'll see Kermit leaving and below him Jim Henson's head!! IN A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE!! LOL!!

Super Scooter

10-10-2003, 09:56 AM

Mark Filton

10-10-2003, 12:06 PM

Oh boy :D

You guys don't understand what I'm saying, as you point out a bunch of times we see performers by accident or sitting with their characters in the open.

There is a big difference, but you say the same things again.

Look, it is okay to have a performer sit with the character for a talk, or sometimes fun to find a mistake where you see an arm where you shouldn't, but it is TOTALLY WRONG to point out a performer in the middle of a performance.

Do you stand up during a play and say "Hey buddy! I know you! How is your new house?" to an actor? That is VERY rude.

The Kimmel guests weren't all that great, and didn't mesh well with Kermit much at all. To help keep the magic special, the Kimmel people should have told everyone not to disturb or mention Whitmire himself, and if they did, they should have edited it out.

It is only me I am talking for. Majorities are not always right. Many years ago a majority of people thought it was okay for black people to be slaves, so I don't care about the majority because it is meaningless.

You can only believe in your own beliefs :D

If this is where the careless owners of Kermit are taking him, it makes me sad :cry:

My idea of good humour is Red Skelton and Bob Newhart and Bill Cosby. I guess others like Chris Rock and Howard Stern style.

Mr. Henson always was gentle and wise and smart, and putting his whimsical frog in a garbage show like Kimmel is totally wrong.

The only Muppets on that show should have been Pepe or Johnny, not our beloved Kermit who once delighted toddlers on Sesame Street in that old film footage from the 1970-s years.

The Henson people wanted the DVD mentioned a bunch of times on the show and they sure got that, so I hope they are happy with the money. It was easier to exploit and "sell out" the famous Kermit for that. Henson company got money but LOST magic. TERRIBLE decision!

It would have been harder and challenging to put Johnny or Pepe in there, but the Henson company took the easy and quick way and "sold out" Kermit.

Dealing with the devil you always lose out.

We lost a piece of Kermit's magic on that garbage program.

Good people don't give away the beautiful things in life for the quick buck. Where is the SPECIAL caring for our SPECIAL frog????
:)

frogboy4

10-10-2003, 01:25 PM

I agree that once the decision is made to perform the character a certain way (performer or sans-performer visibility) it should continue that way. The tone is set from the top. That means the host. Kimmel appears to be socially inept with little control over his show. In other words - bad host.

That being said, the Muppets have referred to their puppeteers before - looking down and freaking out in the Jim television tribute special and mentioning them in a very sly way. However, this is the performer's prerogative and not some self appointed comedian. That was very tacky.

Kermit handled himself well. I'm glad he was on the show. Kimmel's audience seemed to really connect with him and that's what counts. Who cares what a bunch of D level celebrities think? People still love the frog!
:)

AndyWan Kenobi

10-10-2003, 03:07 PM

I agree that it was really tacky to point Steve out like that--it didn't detract from my enjoyment of Kermit, but it made me instantly lose respect for the person who said it. Remember, though, that this was a live program. They really wouldn't have had the chance to edit these references out, except maybe for later broadcast in a different time zone. I bet if it had been a pre-recorded show, like Conan, Leno, or Letterman, these moments would have wound up on the cutting room floor.

:rolleyes:

BoyRaisin2

10-10-2003, 09:18 PM

It is only me I am talking for. Majorities are not always right. Many years ago a majority of people thought it was okay for black people to be slaves, so I don't care about the majority because it is meaningless.

OK, where'd that come from? :D

I don't think promoting the VMX DVD was "selling out." He was a MUPPET, promoting a MUPPET DVD. A DVD release of a HIT TV movie, might I add. It's not like he was promoting Pepsi or Viagra or somethin'. Leave THAT to the Crank Yankers. ;)

frogboy4

10-10-2003, 09:22 PM

Good point. Was this release just supposed to fall into oblivion? It was smart for Kermit to promote it. They got ABC to pay for the promotion too. Television ads are too expensive for the Henson Company. Many fans have been crying out for Henson to find some way to do promotion. It seems like they have heard us and are trying to take the appropriate steps within their budget.

NikZane

10-10-2003, 10:16 PM

Personally, I can't help but think... that at the end of the day, at least we were treated to some brand new Kermit material. :)

So, as it's a philosophy of mine to always remember the good, here are...

My favorite Kermit moments from The Jimmy Kimmel show:
• Kermit singing the Alphabet Song w/Uncle Frank.
• The "Kerminator" mini-movie. (Kermit: "This is what I call The Rainbow Connection!")
• When Kermit shakes off the underpants that Kimmy Jimmel put on his head, and catches them in his hand! (Kermit: "Wow, I can't believe I caught them!")
• Kermit's vox pop segment on Hollywood Boulevard.
• Kermit's line in reference to Darryl Hannah and Tarantino's new film, Kill Bill: "Hey Jimmy, Jimmy... did you know we're getting Darryl for the Sesame Street sequel to Kill Bill? It's called Hurt Bert!"

I'm sure there's others that I've forgotten... but that'll do it for now. :)

NikZane

10-10-2003, 10:44 PM

Many fans have been crying out for Henson to find some way to do promotion. It seems like they have heard us and are trying to take the appropriate steps within their budget.

Indeed, and I believe it worked. According to Steve Whitmire's recent email (http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?p=135611&mode=threaded) to MC, they've been asked back by ABC for the November sweeps week, network ratings-push thingy. I take that as a positive sign, Muppet fans nationwide obviously tuned in for Kimmel last week, and the network executives took notice.

I can just imagine the ABC network execs, "Guys, Kimmel's ratings quadrupled when we had Kermit on... we'd better get the little guy in for November sweeps, all in favor say Aye"...

...and a resounding boom of AYE's echoed throughout the halls of ABC.

(or so my fantasy goes ;))

jediX

10-11-2003, 01:08 AM

I can just imagine the ABC network execs, "Guys, Kimmel's ratings quadrupled when we had Kermit on... we'd better get the little guy in for November sweeps, all in favor say Aye"...

Indeed. Its the first time in months I've actually stayed up to watch the entire thing... let alone the entire week. The show has been in a major down for a rather long time and Kermit saved it. He and the other cameos was the only thing worthwhile the entire week.

I agree that it was really tacky to point Steve out like that--it didn't detract from my enjoyment of Kermit, but it made me instantly lose respect for the person who said it.

What would you expect from the guy that used to pillow fight professional wrestlers and get trashed every single time ;)

Who cares what a bunch of D level celebrities think? People still love the frog!
Amen, brother. I wouldn't even consider Jimmy's cousin a celebrity, period. Just because you cameo on a late-nite talk show doesn't make you ANY level of celebrity status. As for that commedian guy, Kermit put him in his place. :)

As a final note, last week when Animal was on I made a rude comment about that, and I'm sorry. :o I feel bad about posting something like that, and should have just kept it to myself. Caffeine and a lack of sleep can do scary things to ya.

Mark Filton

10-11-2003, 01:14 PM

Well there is no more truly "live" television. Everything has a delay on it. Having Kermit put down like that was sad and it was sad nobody on the Kimmel show cared.

The Henson company people get what they asked for. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Put a nice frog on a garbage show and you get treated like garbage. Come on, even the little kid didn't care about Kermit. They coulda told the kid to talk to Kermit when he sat down. The kid IGNORED Kermit! It looked TERRIBLE :D

If you have something Muppet to sell, you should use Kermit because he is most famous. But if you have something to sell and you're gonna be on garbage no class Kimmel, then Kermit is guaranteed to be in a bad place.

Kermit is a fun and friendly guy, and the sweetest and kindest to children. He can be angry and funny, but he isn't the FILTHY kind.

Kermit sitting in the middle of masturbation, compared to tired old Lost in Space robot and Whitmire pointed out while performing and sitting next to some lousy comedians and a stupid male model who obviously couldn't care less about Kermit makes him look like a desperate, worn out gimmick.

Nothing magical on that show. No good guest interaction. No SPECIAL CARE for Kermit. Anybody watches that will find no difference between Kermit and a Crank Yanker. Henson's wonderful frog takes a ride on the downward spiral.

Sell some DVDs, but NOT like this.

Too high a price to pay for me!
:cry:

That's just me, of course :D

Robin

10-11-2003, 02:38 PM

I'm sorry for saying people on this site don't have a life. I was sauced. I'm a very passionate man and at times a bit dramatic.

I think the beauty of the Muppets is that they can be good on any show even Kimmel. Kermit should have sat that one out.

beaker

12-20-2004, 05:16 PM

I've thought up the ultimate Muppet dream-gig. Ready? Hosting Saturday Night Live. (let it sink in) How phenomenal would that be? Imagine Kermit being in every sketch and acting (and being treated) just like any other host. Not a muppet, just another bit actor. Seeing one muppet play a night's worth of characters would be hilarious. I haven't seen SNL in awhile so these scenarios are old, but imagine Miss Piggy in a Mr. Peepers sketch or Pepe playing the new cheerleader for the Spartan squad. The Newsman on Weekend Update. Someone call Lorne Michaels!

Now this post is plenty long already (it's my first though so go easy on me!), but there is one last point I'd like to make. Jim Henson never wanted to be a puppeteer for children alone. While he has certainly made the world a touch better through the magic he brought to Sesame Street, I've read that at the time he was torn about taking the job because of the fear of being pigeon-holed as kids' stuff. He certainly loved children, but he was also in love with showing the world the artistry of puppetry and taking it FAR beyond kids' birthday parties. The beautiful irony of my SNL suggestion is that Muppets were a part of that show at it's very beginnings.

Well, last Saturday the closest thing to this came true:)